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Hi Denisebj, not sure if you are using the stock screener at MoneyCentral, but here is a url with your screen setup.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/finder/finderx.asp?Query=SV1QF114Z04L100000ZF4Z04L3ZF162...
I like using money central stock screener. As it is easy to share stock screens.
Hi Shawn, You may try reading the first two hundred messages, to see how the program was developed. As far as day trading goes I don't think just changing the period will work. Gerald Appel who invented the MACD system, went back 10 years (in 1978 I think) to find that a 12 day ma worked best for short term stock movements, and a 25 day ma worked best for intermediate stock movements. I have no idea what ma period will be best for day trading, but I do not think it will be 12 Periods. I am curious is the SS in your name for submarine service?
Hi Broderick, you may need to check up on the new copyright laws. My understanding is that you can make a copy for your use only, if you let other people copy it even for free then they can get you for piracy, under the new law. You can not even let people listen to streaming music for free, let alone copy it.
http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9360
http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9361
Note SomaFM is still online, here is the money they have to pay.
http://www.somafm.com/support/
More info
http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9362
http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9600
http://www.winamp.com/news.jhtml?articleid=9720
Hi Lou, SWAG (Scientific Wild-Ass Guess). I got to remember that. LOL
Hi Bernie, I appreciate you reminding me that I was on the AIM Users Bulletin Board. To tell the truth I don't think I forgot it.
In the discussion's with Undertakr, he was concerned with what people do with stocks that become deep divers. He talked about a stock that he had bought at $14 that had appreciated to $50, he was concerned that after the large gain, if he started a AIM program on it, AIM would have him sell most or all of the stock, if he set portfolio control to his original investment. He wanted advice. Me, you and several other people gave him advice. Later he gave the name of the stock AMGN, with that information, I went to both MSN's and quicken's web sites, I saw what I thought were danger signs, I spoke of them. I thought the stock had not dropped in price enough, in relation to the bad news. I also stated that I was not very good at fundamental research, which is why I gave links to where I went to get the information. That way you or any one else could explain to me, how the information I was looking at was wrong, or my way of looking at the information was wrong. I did take a stab at looking at the last quarter report, which is where all the red ink started flowing at. I did not look at all 88 pages that are listed on MSN. I spoke of what I had found.
I have been recently over at Forbes.com looking at what would happen to dividend paying stocks if the presidents tax bill goes through. On one page I found what I conceder as good news for AMGN, in that it helps explain why the stock price did not drop as far as I thought it should have. In the quarter report I ether missed or misunderstood that this company has as much cash as it does. Here is the link http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/07/cx_aw_0107dividends.html
I know you are into a lot of REIT's, you may find this of interest concerning them. http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/08/cz_sf_reits.html
Thanks again Jennie, A Dogs of the DOW strategies, is more in keeping with what I had in mind. I will check out the site. I came across this on Forbes, talking about the possible tax change. http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/08/cx_jw_0108divpackage.html
Thinks Jennie, I did a search on that name, and came up with this web page http://www.forbes.com/personalfinance/2002/02/19/0219guru.html It is a short list of fourteen funds. I will take a look at them.
Hi Phil, that third one should read.
The third woman just shakes her head and says, ''My husband works for
Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's going to be when he finally gets it right.''
Hi Irwin, I am very weak on fundamentals, If I do start to invest in stocks, that is where I need to work on. I am interested in stock that have high dividend yields, normally that means the fundamentals are weak, so you have to be able to tell when the fundamentals are to weak and the stock is going into bankruptcy, and stocks that are strong enough to recover. Does anyone know of a fund that invests in stocks that have high yields?
Also if anyone has a msn screen for fundamentals could you post it.
test.
nope did n't work.
Hi U,I agree part of the red could be due to current economic state. I think some is due to the company, and some is due to the purchase of Immunex. I think a lot of the red is due to the new accounting methods too. I took a look at the financial statements. I am not very good at them. Which is why I referred you to the sites. Two things stand out. One, about every other year they charge off R&D costs. Two, this year due to the new accounting, they have to charge of the goodwill cost from purchasing Immunex.
I was not saying for you to get out of AMGN due to it being a bad company. No not at all.
But from your messages it seemed that you did not want to be involved with a potential deep diver, Which I think AMGN is. AMGN has had some high numbers for a long time, but this last quarter every thing went negative, I think this next quarter will be negative also, and I think the two quarters will be large enough to make the year negative. I don't think AMGN has had a negative year before. Lately when companies have negative years, the stock price pays for it. I think company insiders know this, as they have been selling in large blocks. That is all I was saying.
This is only a guess on my part, I could be wrong, the insiders that are selling they're stock could be wrong. If I am right you will likely see the price drop between now and when the annual report comes out, after the report it should drop much faster. You should be aware that from the 52 week high to the 52 week low the drop was -51.46%. If you do the same with the five year high and low you get a drop of -85.5%.
From yesterday's price to the 52 week low the drop would be -39.15% and to the 5 year low would be -76.79%.
I think if I was you I would take all my profits now, I would just leave the original cost in the stock. If I am right and the stock does drop then you can buy back in at a lower cost. If I am wrong and after the annual report is out, and the stock does not drop you can buy back in at close to the same price. The only lose you would have is a long term gain tax loss of around 20%.
Here is something else to think about, in the past this stock split about 5 times, then it stopped splitting and the price stayed about where it is today, even though the company was showing strong growth, you have to ask yourself why. I think the answer is the insider selling that has been taking place, putting up resistance. I wish you well, in what ever decisions you make.
Hi Irwin, sorry I wasn't thinking of a chart. My fault there. I was hoping for more like a screening site, where you could set up your own screen. At MSN you can put simple formulas in your screens. You can use the 5 year and 52 week data, but they do not have all time high or low to use.
Bernie, Lemonhead, this should catch your eye. http://news.morningstar.com/doc/article/0,,85118,00.html?hsection=Comm1
Hi undertakr, you said.
As for getting out of AIM, yes, of course you could sell anything you want anytime you want if you really wanted to, including winners. My point is, how low do you allow a stock to go down before you just dump it? In many examples we've all seen (and I'm sure experienced) we've seen 3 or 4 or even 10 buy signals after we've run out of cash in a program. At what point do you choose to bail?
For me the answer is in two parts.
Once AIM runs out of money, get ready to sell, as you can no longer average down in the stock.
Take a very close look at how much loss you can take, in a stock, and set your stop loss accordingly.
ALERT!!! I have just looked very quickly at AMGN and did not like what I am seeing there. I recommend that you sell this stock as fast as possible! I think this stock has a large possibly of becoming a deep diver. I like to use msn money and quicken to check out stocks. Lets start with msn money. Start here. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=US%3aAMGN and just work your way down the left hand side. Any time you see red ink that should be a red flag, if the number in red is a large number, make that a large red flag. On this page you have four red flags, I thing three of the flags are large. The fourth flag, stock price is not yet large, but it should be.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/hilite.asp?Symbol=US%3aAMGN As you can see here, in the third quarter something very bad happened to earnings, for some reason they spent far more than they made.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/compare.asp?Symbol=US%3aAMGN Again you have large red flags.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/compare.asp?Page=ProfitMargins&Symbol=US%3aA... can you see this red flag?
I could go on but lets go to quicken and see what Buffet thinks of your stock. http://www.quicken.com/investments/strategies/?p=AMGN&strategy=hagstrom
Only two red X'es, but they are enough for Buffet not to be interested in your stock. Here are the questions that the stock failed on.
4. Are managers handling shareholders' money rationally?
7. Is the stock selling at a 25% discount to intrinsic value?
Right now due to the large loss in the third quarter, the intrinsic value is being shown as zero!
I almost forgot you should see if insiders are buying or selling, and are they doing it in large numbers.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/insider/trans.asp?Symbol=US%3aAMGN
http://www.quicken.com/investments/insider/?p=AMGN&tag=1
Well to me that looks like large selling.
The numbers look good anyway. Did you say it ran on a PC?
Hi TAB, I have not done any looking at ETF's but I was under the general opinion that the only management would be when a company is added to or removed from a sector. I think the companies in each sector are determine by the exchanges.
Hi Irwin, do you know of a place that lists the all time high and low prices for stocks?
I think you can come close enough to the balance point, using the 5 year high and low data. I used the 5 year and 52 week, in the example because people can find them easily.
Hi Undertakr, There is only one thing wrong with your Coke system, I don't like the taste of coke. If everyone should developed my taste then the company will go bankrupt. I can't take that kind of a risk! lol
About your real question, not sure if I understand them, but will try to answer them.
First I am not sure as to how well you understand AIM, please read http://www.aim-users.com/aimbrief.htm and http://www.aim-users.com/aimchng.htm also on this page you can get a free spreadsheet http://www.aim-users.com/aimware.htm . The spreadsheet does have protection set, but you can un-protect it, and you have the author's permission to change it. So you can test any ideas you may have.
You said Onto a REAL question: Lets say you purchased a really good stock a few years ago at $14 per share. Lets say you jump into AIM with that stock and the stock is now at $50 a share. Obviously, AIM will say sell it all! Take your profit and run! That's if you set the PC based on what your actual purchase price is. However, if you pull the PC to the current price, you're putting, what, approximately 72% more capital at risk than when you first entered into the transaction. How do you guys deal with this type of issue?
I think you are talking about the VEALIE concept invented by Tom, but he is more conservative than your example. He sets it by the Idiot wave or to 50% cash. Also while you do increase the capital at risk, this is capital that you have won from the market, not out of your own pocket.
Just reread your first question, are you saying that you already have a stock and you want to start AIMing it? And that it has gone from $14 to $50 a stock. And you want to know what amount to set pc too? There are several ways to answer this.
First determine what ratio of stock to cash you want to start off with this could be 50/50, or 66/34, or 80/20, or you could use the idiot wave. However you need to compare the stock's current price in relation to its past price history, lets say the 52 week Hi is $52 and the 5 year High is $52, you now know that the odds are high that this stock is close to its top, so you want to sell some stock, to keep that profit. You can now look at the 52 week Low and the 5 year Low, lets say they are $12 each. If you take the Low minus the High, divided by the High. You get a good idea how far a drop, percent wise your stock could take and adjust your ratio that way, this page will help. http://www.aim-users.com/cashburn.htm
You said Another thought I had, is there any benefit to subtracting perhaps 25% of a sale from the PC to keep your PC from going sky high? Has anyone looked into this type of modification to AIM and what it may achieve long-term?
I think this idea, will severely limit profit's, and could easily sell you out of the stock.
Letting PC get larger is not a bad thing! First let me say a little bit about what came before AIM. There was the constant ratio plan, which a lot of people call Re-balancing their portfolio. It works best at preserving capital, with a slow gain. You also have variable ratio plans, which try to do the same thing but give you more gain. All variable ratio plans have a level that they compare the portfolio's value to and then adjust the ratio of stocks to cash accordingly. One of the simplest variable ratio plans was called the Constant Dollar Plan. It was very easy to do, buy some stock, the value of the stock when you bought it becomes the Constant Dollar Amount. When the value of the stock goes above the constant dollar amount you sell some stock to bring the stock value back to the dollar amount, and when the value is less you buy stock to do the same thing. Normally you start with a 50/50 ratio. But the constant dollar plan had a defect which kept it from becoming popular, after several cycles of stock prices, when the stock price had returned to the starting price the ratio was no longer 50/50, but more like 40/60 or 30/70.
In her book Practical Formulas for Successful Investing by Lucile Tomlinson, she explains that this is easy to correct by increasing the constant dollar amount. This could be done at the starting price, but she felt that increasing it would be best done when the stock value was at its lowest.
I myself am sure that at one time Mr. Lichello, read Mrs. Tomlinson's book. The idea's are so close to each other. So you see we do have a reason for increasing PC.
Hi jibes, what do you think of The "Last" Stochastic Technique. http://stockcharts.com/education/What/TradingStrategies/lastStochastic.html
Hi Shawn, let us know how it works out.
Do not let her invest to much in kmart, she could learn a lesson in hard knocks. You should re-evaluate this statement (They should either pull out of bankruptcy or be bought out, either way, a .20 stock would be a winner and if they go out of business entirely, not much of a loss for quite a few shares at risk.) Lately when a company is bought up or does come out of bankruptcy, one of the conditions is that the existing shareholders get nothing. So she could be right about kmart, but still lose. I think a better idea would be to keep a watch on the stock, and if it does comes out of bankruptcy, then buy the stock. She may want to study the stock here http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=KMRTQ , I would pay attention to the large red numbers, in-order for kmart to come out of bankruptcy they need to become black numbers.
A interesting note, the other place I send people to has all ready dropped kmart from their list of stocks. http://www.quicken.com/investments/strategies/
Opps! I missed that first i in illiterate, sorry about that.
Went back and reread your message. You seem to be mostly interested in stocks. So maybe this free program can meet most of your needs. http://www.fongan.net/MT/ I am not sure where you can find info on the put/call ratio.
Hi Shawn,From your message I take it that you are able to make the chart that you want in excel, but are having trouble converting the chart into a graph so that it can be printed or put up on the web. I think this free excel add in is what you are looking for. http://www.asap-utilities.com/
Hi Don, ROFLMAO, keep them coming!
Yes, 1992 was the year that the bill for desert storm came due.
Hi Muell, First let me correct a misconception of my own first. There are eight data bits and a stop bit in the (now common) data stream from a modem. So one should multiply by nine. If anyone is interested in Asynchronous Serial Transmission you can look here. http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=modem.htm&url=http://www-scm.tees.ac.uk/users/a.c...
Note this article talks about the start bit, seven data bits, a parity bit, and a stop bit.
Now Muell, from your reply, I am not sure that you were aware that I was replying to a message that was talking about modem throughput speed testing. Here is the message http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=638542 When I read that message I thought that there was some confusion between the kilobytes that the speed test was talking about and the kilobits that these high speed modems, and ISP's like to brag about. Some people were thinking that they're dsl modems were testing out slow, due to the fact that the test said that it was for cable modems. If the test is designed properly it will give good results, no matter the speed of the modem. It looks to me that test is giving accurate results.
Here is the speed test that they were talking about http://www.cable-modem.net/features/oct99/speed.html
Now about the history of computers, I am thinking that we used to use another word for the four bit words. But I can't remember it right now. I think you are talking about the hexadecimal numbering system. http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/noframes/nf.definition.html?bG9va3VwPTIxNjA=
I never worked with it but did work with the octal numbering system http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/noframes/nf.definition.html?bG9va3VwPTM0NDE= which used only three bits. And the binary number system of course. http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/noframes/nf.definition.html?bG9va3VwPTc5NA==
I am not totally sure what you are talking about here.
The two extra bits you are mentioning are included with a data stream of bytes and are there to identify which computer peripheral wants the attention of the microprocessor so the uP knows where to send the reply. They are called the Most Significant bit and the Least significant bit and the spacing between pulses is the identifier.
Unless it is about the hardware interrupts and the hardware ports. Anyway it was not what I was trying to talk about.
One of these days we will have to get together and talk about the old electronics. I got out of the navy in 1992, and that was the last time I got to talking about digital electronics to this depth.
May you have a happy new year, and lets pray that next year will be better than this year was.
It seems that Bill has been terminated. I think that Matt and Bob are getting tired of Spam. I am going to post one link to Bobs web site. As I think it has some info that may be useful. http://home1.gte.net/res0uuwy/110702.htm In my opinion the rest of the site is to light weight to be useful.
Yes that is true, you have eight bits of data, you also have a start bit and a stop bit. That makes ten. There is also some more overhead bits, each receive window has 40 bits of hand shaking involved. This is why if you are just after web pages or downloads you want a large receive window. But if you are into online gaming you want smaller receive windows, for a faster turn around, or response time.
But can it be traded at volume?
http://www.sec.gov/answers/limit.htm http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s078.htm
Hi, Looking at the second link, price gaps do not apply to sell limit orders. They do apply to stop loss sell orders. A stock could gap down and not trigger the stop loss. But if the price ever goes above the sell limit order, a sell will be triggered at the current price, but you have to stand in line. Say he has 1000 sell limit orders at $10.00, but there are no buyers at $10.00, the first guy will get $10.00, but each order after that will be for a lower price. Because the market maker(specialist) is having to do the buying, and he will keep cutting the price until he gets some buyers to come into the market.
Hi Jimbob, also look at the insider selling, http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/holdings.asp?mode=&kind=&symbol=CTSH&symbol=&symbol=&s... Ever since 11/5/1999 there has been uniform selling.
Hi Lou, here is what quicken is saying http://www.quicken.com/investments/strategies/?p=CTSH you can check four different styles of investing there. About the run up, you could indeed have missed the first boat. From the last major low to now is over one year, so I think people are starting to take profits. Also this link http://www.quicken.com/investments/seceval/?p=CTSH&cmetric=intrinsic thinks the stock is fairly priced now, that don't mean the stock can't go on up. It just means you got to keep a eagle eye on it, it is no longer a Value play, but a Growth play.
Hi SDMSOGIP, you got the idea, you just need to refine it. First, you can not use the url in the address window. you useed http://www.ttrader.com/mycharts/display.php?p=7958&u=sdmsogip&a=SDM%20CHART&id=311<br What you need to do is have your chart in a second browser window. then you right click on the chart, select propertys, you should get a pop up window with the correct url in the middle of the window, right click on the url, and use select all, then right click again and use copy. you can now past it. http://www.ttrader.com/mycharts/charts/sdmsogip/Mvc-685f.jpg
but, when you put it between the [chart ]www.ttrader.com/mycharts/charts/sdmsogip/Mvc-685f.jpg
[/chart ] you have to remove the http:// to get the chart to show up. When you take them extra spaces out you get the chart.
Nice deer!
Gee Lou do you have to rub it in. LOL My sisters mutual fund PNOPX did just that. For B&H or DCA, Bear markets suck! You get huge draw downs. I am using this program Stock Analyzer to try and time her mutual fund. http://www.stock-anal.com/ I am trying to wait until I get 10 or more buy or sell signals before jumping into or out of the fund. Just started doing this, but got out at the end of last rally, waiting to get a buy signal. While I am not currently using X-DEV, I think X-DEV and stock Analyzer should dovetail each other nicely.
Hi, please note that 141 is in Kilobytes, not Kilobits. Most high speed ISP's give you a connect speed in Kilobits, makes them look faster. To convert from Kilobytes to Kilobits multiply times ten. So 141,000 Bytes is 1,410,000 bits. As for whether the test is valid or not. My 56k modem is connected at 44K and they gave me a speed of 4k Bytes, which is about normal for me, when I download a program I get 5.2k to 3.2k depending on the internet. As long as the test is using non compressible data you should get a good test
Hi bernie, yes you can send it zipped. just click on my name for my email address.
Hi Whitelake, did you copy the link to another window, and display it there? if you did then you can see the chart. Also if you go back to the message you will now see the chart in the message. The reason is your browser pulled the chart from your cache directory. Lets try a experiment
Here is a chart on Geocities
And here is the link http://www.geocities.com/lostcowboy5/Spreadsheets/trading.gif
I am betting that you will not see the chart at first. But if you click on the link, you should see the chart in a new window. Then if you go back to the message and hit refresh you should see the chart in the message. EDIT Well I lost the bet. geocities is smarter than tripod. If you go here http://www.geocities.com/lostcowboy5/Spreadsheets/ and then click on trading.gif you will see the chart. Now it will show up in the message, it is pulled from your cache directory.
Lou, I updated my last message to you, but it was after you had read it. so here it is again. This site lets you post 25 pictures for free. http://www.villagephotos.com/
Lou, tripod will not let it be seen. Lou I found a place for you to check out http://www.villagephotos.com/ You get 25 free pictures.
Hi Bernie, when I try clicking the link I get this.
Your email message has been idle and this link has become inactive. To access the link, close this window and return to your MSN Hotmail Message. Then click the browser's Refresh button or close your message and reopen it.
Did some checking and the right click, open frame in new window is part of the Web Accessories for Internet Explorer 5 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/webaccess/ie5wa.asp While these were designed for IE5 they do work in ie6. So far the only part that does not work correctly is the image list function. But I have found a cure for that one to. If you would like to have it just let me know.