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Are you talking about this one from a year ago where apple has to pay 368 million? The same Co won a similar judgement from MS earlier for 200 million & had about 5 other similar patent infringement claims going against majors as well. This patent infringement thing is getting exciting to look into, in terms of investing. Wow. I hope someone can shed light on the possible connections between VPN & MG
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/11/06/apple-loses-virnetx-patent-trial-ordered-to-pay-368m
On a humorus note, the judge had to order the litigants to to tell their investors to stop calling the court asking about their investments, the court getting about 10 calls per day from nervous investors... lol
I don't think it would be too smart to be significant shorting at this point, but I wouldn't doubt that the longer these prices are maintained at such a high level after the yrs of being way lower, I think there's bound to be a significant level of profit taking. It all looks pretty stable & healthy & strong!
I would add that when it comes to these little scare tactics (if that's the nature of it) posted earlier, that knowledgeable boardgoers not resort to silly name calling or calling out those possibly just mistaken or ignorant (or definitive liars for that matter) and instead, defeat any fears generated, by objective correcting of specific claims w/specific facts that unequivocally refute the false claims. That, imho, would better serve any newcomers or less gnostic potential investors, or those who are on the fence. Sidestepping, name calling, personal attacks, ignoring & other similar tacks taken, to deal w/false or mistaken claims don't garner alot of respect, for those answers or opinions, in the eyes of those who want answers w/a measure of authority.
Actually I think you are more well versed on the situation than you give yourself credit for. I'm aware, at least to some degree, of the past you mention, and it does indeed appear to be scare tactics to drive price down or, as you say possibly just a misinformed individual. The reason I asked for someone to expand on "lies & misleading statements " (paraphrased as I forgot the exact words used), is because as I recently posted, there indeed is a chill from 2011 & it was listed right near the beginning on the 2nd Q report. My issue is that 1) I don't know how significant an effect, if any, that chill has on trading & 2) I couldn't actually see what the lies were. I mean, hey, maybe the guy IS just misinformed & obviously you can see some posters here surprised that they now find they can trade w/a broker whom they apparently couldn't before? As to the deal about the physical certificates, I don't know if that's part of his misleading or misunderstandings or sick joke. I simply try to give an unknown the benefit of the doubt & ask for clarification when someone is labeled a liar.
Thanx for your input on this. It's well taken
Someone stated that everything BOC1 said in his post was a lie or inaccurate. But the post that stated such, only made a reference to some months old stuff, and not what the current lies & inaccuracies are. Maybe it's true. I don't know. I would only like to know what are the lies & inaccuracies he posted today, if someone would be kind enough to point them out. No agenda, just curious.
I'm not really sure about what is going on w/all that. I'm also not privvy to the "history" w/this guy. It appears to me to be scare tactics also, however I don't see the lies or inaccuracies. If he or his posts are to be shown for what they really are, if not honest facts, or the "whole story", then let that be revealed specifically. I can see that not anybody puts any value to his assertions, but on the other hand, nowadays the labels "lies & inaccuracies" etc, are not taken to mean much on their own. What are the facts?
Today a new all time high...
Info about the application dates can be culled from below.
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The Business
Voice over Internet Protocol (“VoIP”) allows voice and data transmissions
to be sent across a wide variety of Internet networks called gateways,
allowing people to talk to each other using PC phones over the Internet,
instead of using regular phone lines. VoIP provides an alternative to
expensive long distance telephone charges.
With the addition of Digifonica, Voip-Pal obtained the Patent Application
results of over $15 million of leading edge VoIP research and
development. Due to major interest from VoIP industry companies, future
potential licensing of the patents is now under discussion. If granted, each
Patent Application has the potential to bring in millions of dollars per year
to Voip-Pal. Each Patent Application was developed to solve key important
problems faced by the VoIP industry, and Voip-Pal is now poised to offer
solutions to some of these problems to the World.
Voip-Pal has spent over five years researching VoIP products, software
components and billing platforms. The Company has launched its retail
website, PlatinumPhone.com with a proprietary softswitch platform, to offer
its suite of products including its PlatinumPhone Mobile™ Apps for
smartphones and the Platinum Suite Package which bundles an advanced
antivirus program designed specifically for smartphones. Consumers and
businesses alike will be able to utilize Voip-Pal’s VoIP technology at home
or at the office or while traveling internationally for all their
communications needs and save up to 70% on long distance costs.
About Voip-Pal’s wholly owned subsidiary, Digifonica (International)
Limited
Digifonica (International) Limited (“Digifonica”) was originally incorporated
as Digifonica International Inc. in 2004 and listed on the TSX stock
exchange. The company raised more than $15M of investments into
research and development of the most advanced VoIP technologies. It
employed approximately 20 developers, some of them being well-known in
VoIP industry, who built an integrated white-labelled VoIP system, which
can be deployed for new Internet Telephony providers in matter of minutes.
The goal was two-fold:
1. Provide scalable and the most cost-effective solution for partners,
when prices for Internet calls go down to zero
2. Comply with government regulations of Internet communications
against illegal activities
Soon after the first production-grade system was released for partners, it
became clear that architectural solutions developed and operated by
Digifonica, were highly advanced in the industry and required protection.
Digifonica decided to dedicate sufficient resources, both human and
financial, to work with the top Canadian firm practising in intellectual
property - Smart & Biggar.
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That cooperation produced the results:
Digifonica filed overall 5 patent applications, starting from 2007
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(see
“About Voip-Pal/Digifonica Patent Applications” below). The Patent
Applications were all filed initially as PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty)
applications, came through International phase, then entered National
phases in many countries around the world, first of all in US Canada and
Europe. They all are in different stages of prosecution.
About Voip-Pal/Digifonica Patent Applications
1. Lawful Intercept: (“Intercepting VoIP communications and other data
communications”) US Patent Application, Publication No.
20100150138 , ( Link to Lawful Intercept USPTO filing ): This patent was
issued on April 16, 2013 with the number 8,422,507. Lawful Intercept
Continuation patent application was filed with the USPTO. This
Continuation leverages patented technology for instant and text
messages, and inherits the same Priority date of November 29, 2007.
A Response in Europe has been filed. Lawful Intercept is a
revolutionary technology that addresses the national and international
demands by governments to enable law agencies the ability to perform
scheduled and live intercepts on VoIP telephone conversations.
Network Service providers such as Skype may soon want to be in
compliance with government regulations regarding Lawful Intercept.
The advantage of this patent is that it is truly undetectable by the
intercept target; as opposed to many prior art technologies. Various
governments are considering legislating Lawful Intercept as a
mandatory technology for any VoIP provider.
2. Routing, Billing and Rating engine (RBR) : (“Producing routing
messages for VoIP communications”) US Patent Application,
Publication No. 20100150328, ( Link to RBR USPTO filing ): On July 16,
2013, the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) mailed the Notice
of Allowance on this patent application. A Response to Europe has
already been filed as well. The Company believes that this patent
application technology will be the foundation of any modern
commercial VoIP system. It has taken millions of investment dollars
and years to develop and solidify into perhaps the most important
architectural solution for VoIP.
3. Mobile Gateway: US Patent Application, Publication No. 20110122827 ,
( Link to Mobile Gateway USPTO filing ): USPTO office action has been
received and a response to USPTO office action has been filed. The
Company believes that Mobile Gateway technology can be applied to
any modern cell phone allowing Internet calls to be transparent for the
users. All current commercial techniques for making cell phone
Internet calls require the users to make additional actions, which are
not necessary with the Mobile Gateway patent application.
4. Enhanced 911 : (“Emergency Assistance calling for VoIP
communications”) US Patent Application, Publication No.
20100172345, ( Link to Enhanced 911 USPTO filing ): On July 5, 2013,
the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) mailed the Notice of
Allowance on this patent application. This patent application
technology satisfies the major requirement for emergency response
system which is the ability to call back the person on emergency if he
drops the call.
5. Advanced Interoperability Solutions : (“Uninterrupted Transmission of
Internet Protocol Transmissions during Endpoint Changes”) US Patent
Application, Publication No. 20120170574, ( Link to Advanced
Interoperability Solutions USPTO filing ): Currently under USPTO
prosecution. This patent application technology demonstrates the
future of Internet voice communication – calls should not be dropped
when roaming from one transport provider to another.
Voip-Pal is currently beta testing these technologies with several major
VoIP industry providers in order to establish a monetary value for each
pate
Good thoughts. I steer clear of the astrology but glad to hear your caveat of not betting more than you're willing to lose. The "belief has a strange power" thing is maybe more real than most think, when considering the whole quantum entanglement & photons thru the slots experiments stuff. lol. If this thing happens, whatta story!
I believe the patents were applied for in 2007, by digifonica (they then merged)
Well, the top part, about "revealing.." seems a stretch to me but
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"Notice that the names are "still out there" even though the legal document eliminated them... strategical move?? Hmmm.
I am noticing T-Mobile has become very confident in the announcement of their "no data charges as of Oct. 20th". Another Hmmmmm....."
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...are both interesting deductions. I was asking myself about the same thing, re: the names "out there" anyway, just before reading your idea. Seems plausible. It's not like they "retracted" the names officially, they just disappeared. I'm just gonna try to ride the 'trust them' train w/my dose of +NRG thrown in, for awhile. It's all wait & see now anyway. I'm totally counting on them. I went for broke as a last resort to bad situation & I have now defaulted on something never before done cuz I refused to sell my meager shares.
What about "viber"?
I assume that the 5 vp patents then, would fall under "utility" type (?) & since it was a 6-7 yr granting process, then they have 13-14 yrs left. Also assuming transfer of ownership has no bearing on grant length. Lots of time to collect all the licencing & infringement $, while shooting to top of voip provider pile since they don't have to pay any of that. Hmmm, in other words, many $25 bil is too low? (hey I can have fun can't I?)
Rbg,
Thx for the reply. Agreed on the intention of vp to sell a hi bidder, altho (and I will have to go back & listen again..) I'm thinking that I remembered also, some mention in there, of the possibility of licensing. I'm prolly wrong & maybe that mention was saying no intention for that angle, or, maybe I'm just confusing some other discussion of that possibly, w/the conf call? The only reason I even mention that, is I didn't think I had said anything in my post, re: selling to hi bidder, so when you began your reply w/that fact, from your listens to CC, it made me wonder why... and there has been some discussion (brought up by me) here, about the possibility of holding on to company & getting into the licencing game. In those short lived discussions (no one seems to want to entertain it), the idea's been shot down as something they (vp) couldn't/wouldn't do due to lack of $ for legal rep, which I thought could easily be handled via contingency. I pointed out how the longer term value in that scenario, would likely be much more than what a sellout price winds up being & how that could benefit more ppl over a much longer time period, money-wise, similar to the lump sum vs 20 yr much larger payout situation w/lottery. (except in the case of vp, it would not be a mere doubling or tripling of monies to come, but would be exponentially huge over a long long time period, such as is the case w/song rights, where the song owner continues to receive residuals for yrs & yrs & then the same to his family over generations of time. Plus, consider that if they (vp) went that route, they could now develop their voip services & hardwares to become possibly a huge player in voip, for the near & ongoing term income for investors, like MS & YAHOO & GOOGLE & SKYPE, because THEY (vp) would not have to pay anybody for licencing or patent fees!!!... while all other voip users WOULD!!! Such would enable themselves to become the new big dog. I wonder if they have even thought about that or anyone else here? But then again, I've little doubt that someone will step up real quick & tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about (and they'll prolly be right <sighs>).
Sorry, originally I was just gonna pass by your mention of the hi-bidder thing (since everyone is already on that page) & was only gonna comment on the white paper names removal thingy, but got hung up on above idea (which really seems to me to be worthy of consideration). I had trouble w/exactly what you were saying about the name removal aspect, but I think you were going with the idea of trying not to be antagonistic about it. If so, my take on the partial list of infringers listed in white paper, was not antagonistic at all, as numerous names were listed & it's just fact of matter.
Hopefully this will help. Good luck & be careful but I would definitely get in at least some... at this price if you can, however there may be some more dips but little birdies been whispering lately...??
http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/vplm/voip-pal-com-inc?postid=21786727
Thanx +NRG, very nice post, nicely put & I agree on all points. I might also add that I believe in the positive energy flow as much as anything else & not just metaphorically. But only, I suppose, as a "helper" to situations that already have a baseline of enough or close to enough, of the required hard & soft goods.
My concern about the names being there and then removed kind of bothers me w/o going too deep into it, but I think you know what I mean.. which ironically is now signaling to mean that THAT worry actually MIGHT be best handled (at least for awhile) by keeping the faith, as you said (that coming from someone who used to buy, sell & eat positive NRG... haha... in the form of "guarana". It was actually named NRG). That company, by the way, grew so big, so fast, in the 80's, that they wound up on the hot seat w/congressional hearings. They were mostly found to be OK but had to revamp somewhat & still exist to this day & I know you know who I mean.
Anyway, Thx again for your calming thoughts & the reinforcement to not getting rattled. Something tells me you use such thought NRG in more than just this board...
Good luck & may the president's be dead ones (easy there nsa..)
No one said ANYTHING about a lack of trust or the veracity of the law firm, least not me. Leave it to a few here to always suggest something else or twist a clear point or question to look like it was something else. The point was brought up a week or 2 ago about how the list of companies was published in the white paper & subsequently names removed. Then a few, including myself have questioned why so? It is no small thing potentially. The potential infringers lies at the heart of the value of the patents. It seems fairly reasonable that there was some legal advice, after the fact, advising that those names had to go. That is more than a mere "hmmm" moment. It's potentially huge. On the other hand, it could've just been a more benign request or advice to not antagonize the situation at this sensitive & critical time, that the minds must be trying their best to ascertain the true scope of control of the patents.
My apologies if I'm overreacting to your thing about trusting the law firm & all that. Words are too often misconstrued and/or twisted here so...
But anyway, all I am saying, and nothing more, is that I think it's important to know why the names were removed. And I would like to know if others here think it's no big deal.
That's what I was thinking before I saw your post. I want to know why? I mean if they are infringers, why would names need removal from such a list. Or maybe that designation is not so clear for those companies ? Seems an important question..
Good question.. the only thing that comes to mind would be that someone decided the definitive-ness which listed the names in the category they were, (I believe "infringers" was somehow at least implied...I'll have to take a closer look) was for some unknown reason, not so definitive & maybe were advised (?) to take em down for some legal reason? Does that thought process jive w/your "hmmm"?
I don't understand your inference (if any) of what is the reason for the removal of the names. Could you please clarify that?
Interesting reading. What to make of it all, in terms of any tie-ins, overlaps, patent ofc overload, overlooked things, the EFF (sounds like they fight against voip patent holders, in whose interest I'm not sure), etc?
Sounds to me like these sorts of connect the dots, can serve to bogg things down for yrs?? Sounds like alot of similarities here?
1 notable thing is how that C2 company got paid a bunch of out of court settlements. Is there any conflict w/their patents?
Things that make you go... hmmm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/188718/article.html
I 4got2 ask you... Why that iconic date of 11/22? How does that play in?
Lemme say this. I recently spent the last of my monies on vp, because I have some situations that had left me near 100% down & out. I put my last of what would not have saved me at this point, into vp, as it convinced me it was worth the risk, even of my last $. So now I wait & hope & Nash... (I mean ramble..). If I knew stock would go to $25, I would sweat sleeping on the sidewalk a few days... weeks??
For all longs sake (even those that need it or some now) PLEASE HAPPEN! (the irony is big brother & nsa et al. Ya can't win to lose..)
Smcluke really said it better than anybody, as to how it now is like a lottery dream. Here in AZ, the lottery ppl advertize: "YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU DON'T PLAY!
Don't know about the reality of any debt crisis being averted what with 18 trillion dollar debt (or whatever insane debt there is), but I sure hope you're right!!! Yeehaw
I am convinced it's a combo of that, plus the doubts out there. I think the MM's have a field day & thrive on stock plays lime this one.
I agree (was my thought when I see that..) that such protractor does not necessarily equal higher prices. At least not by rule. Good point.
Good article. Sad state of affairs. And here we sit strangely in the middle of it.
* I found numerous typos & grammatical mistakes but was too late to post the edit, so here is the edited version.
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Believe it or not, I agree, loosely, w/what your points are. It's more of a general principles kind of agreement, while at the same time, as I tried to find the right words to identify "the difference", recently, that I have with the concensus views, both pro & con.
1) obviously, any news from Co in any format cannot & should not violate NDA.
2) Even news that does not breach NDA, can be dicey to put out there, if not communicated in a delicate enough way (I'm not sure exactly what that entails..), so that it is not, nor could reasonably be construed as pumpage/dumpage (I realize that no matter what is said by whoever about whatever, it will be summarily twisted by those that do that, regularly...but that should not outweigh any major faith built, bolstered or maintained by some timely, buyout oriented news).
3) this is a special case, imho, which I recently also tried to point out, in that the company's history, and substantive value, has always been not good & zero, and continues to this day, outside of course, of the patents. The patents play, if it turns out to come to the big fruition everybody hopes for & expects, would be one of the most amazing set of moves I've ever seen made by a nothing company. In fact, almost too amazing...to the point where it bothers me...
To add to the uber unusual circumstances, it is so mind boggling, to try to quantitize the potential & real value of the patents, that so far, nobody, not even the company, has been able to truly put a real sort of value to it. This also worries me, as it is one of those too good to be true (sounding) scenarios.
Moreover, the apparent fact that this patent set, seems to portend a near (if not a total) control over what is cooking up to be (and all experts seem to agree) the already begun & already solidly entrenched, future of communications (that being voip, in its various forms) is hard to wrap a head around. How is a reasonable, both feet on the ground, person(s), supposed to be able to absorb or swallow such a fact, for company that a few short mos ago, was a big nothing with some shady past associations? Anybody who accepts it easily, is a fool, imho. But the acquisition & the patents & their subsequent approvals + the awesome BOD changes + the hiring of such a hi grade law firm... UNDOUTABLY changed EVERYTHING, and is really something to behold. All this considered (in the way most do on this board), I honestly cannot fathom how the price has stayed as low as it has....without factoring that there is similar & considerable doubt elsewhere, borne of the same kind of reasoning I offer here.
And to those who keep saying that it's due to still being mostly an unknown secret, I'm not buying it. I've seen enough reports of what vp has & why it's so good, along with all the pr's & white paper copies, distributed throughout the world, hitting enough key points & target audiences, for months on end, that it's known about allright.
All the above points are the basis for why a CC or a PR, that speaks directly to the shareholders, some level of confidence bolstering assurance, that the plan is still on course & continuing, in terms of positive ongoing negotiations. But I am still a relative newbie and lo on the totem, in terms of understanding big world finance, so I could be very wrong. It just seems to me, that within the scope of a totally honest & above board company, finding themselves in such a once in a lifetime position, that for them to just give a simple, non price pumping purposed, discrete assurance that it's "happening", would, at this point in time, go A LONG WAY.
Then again, I guess most are "dug in" enough at this juncture, that it all just comes down to holding your breath. As to new investors, and whatever effect on pps, the price is still so cheap & enough info freely available, that the veritable "silver platter" is there for the grab. Just advise to not risk too much is all I say.
I think above is good writing & for any scholarly person to say it's so bad it reveals an author where English is their second language & is likely composed via a translator, is very telling to me. (also a high school dropout).
Believe it or not, I agree, loosely, w/what your points are. It's more of a general principles kind of agreement, while at the same time, as I believe I tried to find the right words to identify "the difference" I have with the concensus views, both pro & con, that have been offered. 1) obviously, any news from Co in any format cannot & should not violate NDA. 2) Even news that does not breach NDA, can be very dicey to put out there, if not communicated in some delicate enough way (I'm not sure exactly what that entails..), so that it is not, nor could reasonably be construed as pumpage/dumpage (I realize that no matter what is said by whoever about whatever, it will be summarily twisted by those that do that, regularly...but that should not outweigh any major faith built, bolstered or maintained by some timely, buyout oriented news). 3) this is a special case, imho, which I recently also tried to point out, in that the company's history, and substantive value, has always been not good & zero, and continues to this day, outside of course, of the patents. The patents play, if it turns out to come to the big fruition everybody hopes for & expects, would be one of the most amazing set of moves I've ever seen made by a nothing company. In fact, almost too amazing...To the point where it bothers me.
To add to the uber unusual circumstances, it is so mind boggling, to try to quantitize the potential & real value of the patents, that so far, nobody, not even the company, has been able to truly put a real sort of value to it. This also worries me, as it is one of those too good to be true (sounding) scenarios.
Moreover, the apparent fact that this patent set, seems to portend a near (if not a total) control over what is cooking up to be (and all experts seem to agree) the already begun & already solidly entrenched, future of communications (that being voip, in its various forms). How is a reasonable, both feet on the ground, person(s), supposed to able to absorb or swallow such a fact, for company that a few short mos ago, was a big nothing with some shady past associations? Anybody who accepts it easily, is a fool, imho. But the acquisition & the patents & their subsequent approvals + the awesome BOD changes + the hiring of such a hi grade law firm... UNDOUTABLY changed EVERYTHING, and is really something to behold. All this considered (in the way most do on this board) , I honestly cannot fathom how the price has stayed as low as it has....without factoring that there is similar & considerable doubt elsewhere, borne of the same kind of reasoning I put forth here. And to those who keep saying that it's due to still being mostly an unknown secret, I'm not buying it. I've seen enough reports of what vp has & why it's so good, along with all the pr's & white paper copies, distributed throughout the world, hitting enough key points & target audiences, for months on end, that it's known about allright.
All the above points are the basis for why a CC or a PR, that speaks directly to the shareholders, some level of confidence bolstering assurance, that the plan is still on course & continuing, in terms of positive ongoing negotiations. But I am still a relative newbie and lo the totem, in terms of understanding big world finance, so I could be very wrong. It just seems to me, that within the scope of a totally honest & above board company, finding themselves in such a once in a lifetime position, that for them to just give a simple, not in any way for any price pumping purpose, discrete assurance that it's "happening", would, at this point in time, go A LONG WAY.
Then again, I guess most are "dug in" enough at this juncture, that it all just comes down to holding your breath. As to new investors, and whatever effect on pps, the price is still so cheap & enough info freely available, that the veritable "silver platter" is there for the grab. Just advise to not risk too much is all I say.
If it is sold, it is inconceivable to me, that it would be for under a billion.
And nice to see the higher price base/support holding up so well all this time & today's rise.
I posted a link or a post #, in a recent post about this, from awhile back closer to when the whole question arose, where the real nature of the chill was explained to be not that big a deal as some would have others believe. I can't find that link now (maybe removed?) but I believe he was saying it was limited to Canadian mrkt & had other limits in scope. Figures it would be removed. Also, the chill is still in effect, (whatever it's scope is..), as reported in the latest (?) 2Q report from vplm.
I was searching for the post # of that post where it (seemingly) was better explained... (it was in the low 3000's)and I couldn't find it but got hung up instead, in a very lively discussion about what the company should/shouldn't report or PR. It was very interesting discussion. There was some pretty good sounding reasons posted by some, that explained why it was better the company did not say anything to investors about progress of supposed courting. There were some good pros & cons, just like more recently here, but none fit my particular take on it (biased pro). Anyway, while I was working my way back thru the discussion, seeking an orig post that got it all started, I came across a post that blew me away & trumped everything (hahaha)! All I will say, is this will prolly now get nuked (that's ok, as I will get the msg out regardless). The gist is: that the post takes a very clear side of the issue & validated that side w/"appropriate logic"... lol lol lol... however, that was earlier this year. Also, it so closely follows what I have clearly said very recently, that I could've easily written it, I mean it's is uncanny in its similar general sentiment, as well as the logic behind the sentiment... lol lol lol...and ADAMANT, lol, in the viewpoint! However, recently, when I did post those same exact sentiment and same exact reasonings behind it, lol lol...I don't have to remind anyone, lol, the full set of posts from an unnamed (but far more eloquent) writer, lol lol.
I find it immeasurably telling and, if this post isn't pulled, I cannot wait to see the the intricately, lol, lol, crafted responses by a few key posters. The post # I think was 3057. To those who have shown their tendency to ridicule certain things (if they happen to be "in pwr", well, you should allow it, as it's BIGTIME fodder for you...lol lol, so why cut your nose to spite your face? lol lol lol. #3057... ; < )
Getting back to biz, if I may... I think vplm ought to post something or another CC, to update on any possible changes we would be interested to know, with regard to the progress of monetizing this company or the patents.. As to who might still be answering "patience, patience", again, would be fine if I was a doctor. I'm just saying throw us a bone for cryin out loud, anything. Obviously there are other investors here who feel the same. (by the way, when I say that, it's because a number of posters have recently & clearly, said the same here, not because I "have a frog in my pocket", which means when you say "others agree with me", to loan yourself some needed support, when your platform is weak).
After all, as good as the patents sound & the hiring of a eminent law firm, and the getting on board of the latest brass... which are all huge things & I do not intend to diminish... still... is is not stupid to not also pay attention to the facts that the company has virtually no income, no cash, a significant dept (not sure, haven't looked in awhile but it was close to a quarter mil last time I looked I think) no product sales (I was told that all there voip stuff is only used for test purposes), so I think the above facts also are pertinent & even tho this is an unusual sort of play, I think those of us who would like to hear something about what is now going on is a reasonable request and is deserved by virtue of the support of the company. To those who have heard enough & are sufficiently apprised of where things stand & need no further update from company, that's fine & good & their points are well taken. But their points also do not mean that somehow, wanting more (within legal limits of course) is not valid. Because it is valid. And I think it would be a good thing to be assured that things are on expected course and actively closing in on the expected destination. I'm as long & strong as any here, but I don't put down those that purport to have no need or desire for any further info, thus I don't expect to have this valid desire to be minimized or twisted to sound negative.
I posted that a couple yrs ago, there was something about a chill being placed, and there were some posters here on this board who had posted they were having problems with buying & selling w/certain brokers. I don't know much about or concern myself much w/that stuff, however I thought it lent some possible credibility to what alpacino had said. For all I know, it was lifted a long time ago. I don't know. Or maybe it's not even pertinent in the 1st place. I don't know about that either (but will try to learn more). In any event, the fact of the matter was put into the annual report in 2011 & in vplm's own words, I took the liberty of quoting an excerpt from the document...
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The Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC) placed a “Chill” on only deposit transactions of “VPLM” stock on November 18, 2011.
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I had no problem buying via etrade several times relatively recently
If he wanted to have patience, he'd have become a doctor...
"Why is it that when we aren't all out
with pom-poms it means we are negative or bashers to the company?"
(has my vote for "post of the year" ...or at least quote of the hour!)
well sure..there's always (hopefully) new ppl coming on board. let's be careful not to put them as a whole, into any "boxes" & only make them feel "right at home" & informed as they might hope to be here.
apologies if I'm mistaken, but I thought you said those who said this or that (whatever it was) were categorically newbies who... ... ..."
...and the humor is appreciated (at least as valuable as this stock..)
it sure is needed here ..
hogwash. I've been on this board near same time as you.
correction..prolly much longer on this particular board.
well, I'll be dipped...lol
just because you're not frustrated, doesn't dictate that others, obviously, aren't. you have those who agree w/everything you say, but you sound sometimes like you believe you're speaking for all. and you have much to say about it, but when you hear the opposition from a few voices, then you get nauseous. I resent what i've described, as being characterized as "voyeurism" and/or appear as pump n dump. that's only in your eyes. you seem to think that only your opinions are the correct ones, invariably & now, some very well put & thought out & reason validated different outlook, is making you sick. the simple solution is to provide info or links to, not what you keep insisting to inject into it, but purely the idea of positive updates that inform that negotiations are ongoing in a positive fwd moving manner, and which as you have suggested & insisted, numerous times are not ever done and/or illegal. so far I cannot find such info.
just because you say its so doesn't make it so. yes it could possibly be construed as manipulation, after all anything that anybody says anymore is often construed as such, even when it clearly is not. in this case, AS STATED...not in the narrow box of of what is allowed or acceptable, or pertains to details that obviously should not or cannot be divulged, it would be a far stretch to equate w/manipulation. and that's why you choose to note it as for purpose of raising the pps. what we are saying is that it is not desired for that purpose. you forget your own point.. that so many on this board keep forgetting...which is the SEPERATION of those who believe in the stock & the model as a whole, therefore not concerned much w/the games that jerk the price around daily or keep it down (such as myself)...from those who are more concerned about the daily pps. of course some (also myself) are concerned about both at the same time, for whatever reasons they might have, such as sometimes profit taking is necessary, above & beyond the desire to stay long. but none of above falls into any box that equates to manipulation. if the company simply informed, in this interim, that negotiations are still ongoing & in a positive manner, it would go miles to prop investors, even those that have near blind faith & if it happened to result in some price rise (who knows?), so what! its not manipulation.