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Fred, you have a very good thought process with this case. I have limited information and following on this case, as I have been involved with WaMu as a preseizure holder and then a post seizure holder/buyer and current buyer of WMIH. I know one cannot compare apples and oranges but there is one thing that concens me greatly with the UWBKQ case.
That is these people (Judges, Courts, FDIC,OTS & other) are all Government employees/hierarchy and it seems to me they all stick together. The Government is as guilty as sin in this UWBKQ, but it scares me that this Judge will be forced behind closed doors to give Big Government the win as they in the WaMu case. As you said, giving the win to the Shareowners or UWBKQ would set a precedent and even though they are guilty, I am afraid the court will throw the case as they did in WaMu and other cases.
I do not have very much invested here and I would like to purchase more but I may be snake bitten after watching multiple crimes, fraud/corruption from the highest in U.S. Government on down for the last four years in the WaMu case. This is truly heartbreaking for our society and the our future children and there is no wonder why the WaMu case has been totally blacked out worldwide for four years and counting! I wish all 'true longs' the very best and the win SHOULD BE for UWBKQ!!!
Short Squeeze PR from EWRL and this squeeze will continue for a while accoding to this PR.
Immediate Short Squeeze Confirmation!
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DrR, again thank you very much for the GREAT recap also. I truly wish the best for all of you. I wish I would have started picking up more here a long time ago and it was not a good decision on my part. Now it seems very difficult to increase my small position but will attempt to anyway and let the chips fall wherethey may.
Take care and have a SUPER week!
hes, great recap and thank you very much. It is nice to hear that you know about the WaMu travesty and good for you as from what I do know about UWBKQ, there is no doubt the decision should go in UWBKQ's favor!
I truly hope the best for all of you heavily involved in UWBKQ. I am trying to increase my small position but it appears very hard to pick up shares here. I would assume all that changes when there is some sort ruling or filing unlike WaMu where it was generally always liquid.
DrR, I would like to thank yo for your reply and your over all points are well taken. I wish I would have followed this more but as you know, there is only so much time in a day.
I like your response to the difference in UWBKQ and WaMu in that the Executive line-up fought for the return of what was taken and/or compensation...yes very simple. A couple last thoughts on your overall view of this. Setting all your emotions aside, what is your view of the outcome, considering some of the players (Judge) involved are all connected in that they work for the Government?
Do you believe UWBKQ proved their point bejond a reasonable doubt? From what I have read (some filings), UWBKQ more than drove their point home and should be rewarded. I believe I read that HJAB did turn the Government's request (typical) down to continue to drag out, waste time and resources. It would appear if this is correct, that this could be read as a good sign INHO.
DrR, again thank you for your time and energy. I hope the best for all concerned here for the court to do the 'right" thing and have a very safe and enjoyable 4th of July Holiday!
DRugby and other knowledgeable people,
As some of you know, I have been involved with the WaMu case since I purchased stock a week or so before the infamous illegal seizure in September, 2008. I have checked in on UWBKQ from time to time and know a little. I know there is a ruling expected in the next two or three weeks that is basically “a winner takes all scenario” and that may not be a good example. I may not have it exactly correct, but I would appreciate any update that one cares to give. I know there are certain people on this board such as DRugby, RS and a few others that have been involved here and of course I wish you all the best.
I know one cannot compare apples and oranges but some of the same criminals are involved here as they are with WaMu and I was wondering if the basic thoughts here are the same in that the Government wins regardless of proof. I know that Judge Amy has been pretty good in this case compared to WaMu but just wanted some serious thoughts about buying more at this point and taking a serious position. Thanks in advance for your thought, opinions and above all take care of yourself and have a GREAT Sunday!
Let's look at what we know!
We have virtually nothing of the original WaMu left and not even its own name. If only this could get some worldwide attention and since it has not during an election year, it NEVER will and so I will not digress any further. The following is what we have to deal with. Even though this is going on four years, generally retail would never have had this opportunity that many of us now have and that is riding the coattails of the very people who know how to make money even it is not legal.
We now know why these Criminals fought so hard to steal the reorganized company (tax attributes) and there are only two things that have changed. Number one, there is around twenty percent of retail along for the ride and an extra two years have passed since the Criminals almost stole the rest.
• 75 million in cash
• 125 million borrowing capacity
• 5-6 billion in WMB abandoned worthless stock deduction that must be in place by 12/31/2012
• We have an Executive lineup that is not too shabby plus an opening for a permanent C.E.O.
• A potential business plan coming including an audit for WMIH – maybe separate
• Arguably, anywhere from 15 to 40 billion in NOL’s
Anybody who has worked for a publically traded corporation should know that a company will say absolutely NOTHING about their business plan and/or potential acquisitions that may be in process until something is confirmed and then they will file an 8K reflecting a ‘material development’ which generally will happen opposite normal business hours.
Now common sense tells me that there in no way that these kind of people we are dealing with are just going to throw a once in a lifetime opportunity (that should have never happened) away because a little time has passed. I look for very positive developments any day, but probably between September 15th and October 31st and certainly by 12/31/2012.
Walrath probably got fifty million in an offshore account because there is no way Rosie could have gotten past first base if the corrupt Judge did her job. Let me see a contract or something of what transferred so I know what to judge and case over. This case would have been over in less than ten months if handled properly.
fsshon, again excellent work and you figured it out. I remember the Judge saying this about the reorganized debtors being worth 10 billion but at the time we did not know very much about the various tax attributes and their potential worth.
I do not remember as you do about the sealed dcos during that specific period of time but I discussed the Judge using that 10 billion dollar figure. My point during that time is she did not pick that number out of thin air and you are correct she told us what it is worth and now you can say fifty bucks a share with some facts to back it up. Great work fsshon!!!
Quite frankly and unfortunately very little and the reason for this is just as you have witnessed. These types of criminals are all connected and all a law firm has to do is to 'throw the case" and settle for peanuts is say " we have agreed to settle for x amount due to time and fees, while looking ethical. Now, there is some truth to this but I know for a fact after watching legal cases for many years is when lawyers say two things the result will be, you are screwed. These are 1) we will get to it and 2) we have to settle because of time and expense or somthing similar to this.
When you here either or both of these two early in the case or the law firm is making remarks suggesting this, look for an exit as these people have been promised something that will enrich them a whole lot later. We have seen this multiple times and do NOT ask me to post links or anything else. These facts are observations and learning over several years with law firms. If you remember these two pieces of what law firms will do to throw you under the bus while looking extremely ethical, then this will save you much heartache over the years!
Rockie, you very well may get your wish. They could make an offer of say $3.00 to $5.00 dollars to see if they can get enough takers to go under the radar and take private even though there can be a case made for ten times that amount, albeit over a two to five year time span.
If this happens then you know for sure the latter is correct as they would not anything for small potatoes. Again actions are VERY telling, the very fact these criminals still own large percentages should tell people a whole lot. If this is worth the small potatoes that I have mentioned, these type of money people would have been gone moons ago!
Worst case scenario - Hopfully not worse
If they wanted to capitalize on the ordinary loss which is around 5-6 billion, then they could sell the shell company for this immediate gain but would lose ALL other NOL's which is somewhere between 15 to 45 billion. One could expect at least one billion for the ordinary loss which would turn out to be $5.00 a WMIH share with 200 million outstanding currently.
Now anything is possible, but people who do this for a living that are educated, wealthy, and successful; would one expect them to throw this all away? I for one do not, but I am also open to anything suggestions that make sense.
SNPK financials filed at 3:30 eastern time on 6/15.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=snpk
fsshon, thank you for an excellent post. I have not said much about this ordinary loss of between 5-6 billion but you are correct we will have to know something by 12/31/2012. At the worst and they only utilize the ordinary loss we are still at five dollars a share. Not anything that I would expect from these money people but that is the worst I expect.
I agree with everything you have posted and I come up with the same information from my due diligence. I remember when Rosie was trying to gert the WMB stock abandoned in Decemeber, 2010 (I think) and for Walrath to sign the POR a week or so later like the very last week of December 2010. All Rosie asked from the IRS was a PVL on the NOL's so he could misrepresent and show Walrath to get the POR signed. It did NOT mean he would follow through and use this letter, he would have got another PVL from the IRS after the bogus confirmation and maximized the NOL's. Now nothing has changed other than some time has passed and retail shareowners that are going along for the ride. We are in the money and it is just a matter of how much IMHO!!!
Has there been a call in number/code for the 1030 hearing today?
Visa claim withdrawn!
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120613000000000007.pdf
CWG, sorry, but based on 200 shares, you too put the decimal in the wrong place. Try two thousand dollars plus...
Vics, keep in mind these Hedge Funds who do this kind of investing have made anywhere from three to five billion dollars off of this (WaMu) one deal so these people are very likely candidates for purchasing preferred shares and/or people that are connected.
Raising money for this kind of deal is the easy part. All they would need to do is sell the preferred for $1000.00 per share similar to the old WAMPQ and they immediately have billions to purchase a new company, thus revaluing WMIH anywhere from $15.00 dolars a share to forty dollars a share.
More than meets the eye!
Ok, so I will preface this with a slow Saturday and not much going on so unless somebody was part of the mediation, nobody here knows exactly how this will play out so I will offer a thought. Albeit, maybe with some rose colored glasses but the thought is still based on facts of what has happened in this case and then of course the unknown which is the future. I still find it very hard to believe that all we received is a NEWCO with worthless reorganized stock, a little cash and billions of tax attributes that many people want one to think is worthless too.
For some reason with nothing to back up with other than what is already known, I think there is more coming and more than meets the eye. This can happen a number of ways meaning more to come and if there is we will not see it until six months plus post effective date of March 19th, 2012. One can easily say the reason Susman did what he did is because of equitable mootness and the same people use this same term for the other settlements with DIMEQ, TPS and others. IMHO, any one of these people could of held e press conference just like Rosie did all along and/or release information to the press whether on the sly or not. None of this happened and I just do not believe a group such a Susman just rolls over and says please continue the unwanted rape of innocent people’s careers, investments, retirement and income. Let’s look at some facts.
• Hedge funds fought voraciously for and lost NEWCO indirectly
• Hedge Funds waged a four year long battle for a worthless NEWCO and still own 70% of worthless NEWCO-WHY
• Susman was quick to agree and was eager to enter mediation
• Only certain people were allowed to enter mediation
• Keep in mind WAHUQ up to a year to release-Why if this was to be all over quick-Could also be more for people who released 1 yr post release
• Before the final date to exchange old stock for reorganized stock-Huge volume in the last five to eight trading days-Another why at this time
• Susman struck down the original deal equity made
• Susman agree on deal for NEWCO with no excess liability post effective date of 3/19/2012
• Equity receives 75 million cash, one hundred plus million dollar loan plus billions in tax attributes
• No liability for NEWCO post effective date plus litigation fund to sue third parties
• Walrath cannot control illegalities pre filing so potential billions in suits here-may or may not happen
• NEWCO agree to potentially issue five million preferred shares of stock-Again WHY, if not for a capital raise
Could there be a two prong settlement on what could have been agreed to in mediation but not to show up until an agreed upon date post bankruptcy exit? IMHO, of course there could be as anything is possible if it was agreed to in mediation. The two prong settlement could be monies show up for people who released prior to exit and the of course the second part is the reorganized shares which would share bases on success of NEWCO.
When one looks at how mediation worked where anything could be shown and said without fear of reprisal, then this is where the REAL DEAL was made to make this reasonable and/or more than reasonable. I know I have missed a good deal but I still feel that we are in for surprises and positive ones at that.
Jest, all is good except we need some kind of finality to this WaMu travesty. I do not have all the answers to the accounting issues so I will just say at this time WMIH's largest assets are the tax attributes. I believe there are several different kinds and ways they can use these attributes and it would seem to me they would be able to utilize some of these in calendar year 2012 since WMB stock was abandoned on March 16th with the effective date on March 19th, 2012.
There is no question we will have to see an audit of WMIH soon and IMHO if they do not have a business plan filed by the end of year 2012, they will have no plans to do so and they will let this company die since all of the Criminals received their releases. I do not believe this at all since we are dealing with a group of people who WILL monetize this Gold Goose of a shell company but until we see something, anything is possible whether that is positive or negative. I have always said actions are very telling and we have some very credible people lined up as Executives for WMIH and I do not think they would jeopardize their reputations for a shell company.
I have a problem trying to figure out how WMIH is going to come out with ANY type of plan, an audit and capital raise which is crucial if there is ANY plan to even come close to using these massive tax attributes. I say this because everything that needs to come out is so closely related and overlap each other like the audit, capital raise and business plan. It leads me to believe they would postpone the audit until they have a business plan ready because there really is not much there otherwise unless they have stuff that magically appears after post six months plus from the effective date of March 19th, 2012. So to do this "piece meal" to me does not make much sense as opposed to ALL at the same time. My bottom line now is they monetize this after six months plus from effective date, buy a company worth between three and seven billion and then you will see this stock price do a very similar rocket style launch to what Kmart's did after purchasing Sears.
Jest, if they plan on doing something large with this shell company like some of us expect, it will happen by the end of 2012 or they will do nothing and let in run down into nothing. There is no way IMHO that will happen but one never knows until we get reach some sort of finality.
Just follow the money for the Pot of Gold!
For all of the young Grasshoppers out there, patience, patience and patience Grasshoppers. As Kingdxxx and Charlidude have pointed out and there has been very little discussion on this topic of cash or stock. Why did these money people take ten million dollars of stock in WMIH instead of ten million in cash? For them to get their ten million dollars back or more, they are saying WMIH stock is worth at least $1.00 dollar a share with 200 million shares outstanding.
I think the answer in pretty simple as these are the same people who have the so called 'inside edge' and yet they take ten million of stock instead of cash. I base my decisions on people's actions and not on what they say. They are clearly saying that stock in WMIH is worth far more than the cash for them to keep their money tied up. As they say "follow the money" for the pot of gold and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that these kind of 'money' people will monetize this company to the fullest extent possible. Thanks goes to Charlidude who posted this distribution list on the new board.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/933136/000090951812000125/mm03-2312_8ke993.htm
Clawman, that is an easy question to answer. If you committed as many crimes and illegalities as these Criminals have, ANYTHING you would issue that could change WMIH equity prices considerably, you would do it on a night like this to go under the radar.
Remember, there is the fact the Criminals could have this undone up to six months post effective date. Yes, I understand this may be remote but still a fact!
First of all WMIH has to be the survivor and they will be in order to get the most out of the tax attributes and second, I have no doubts there have been and will continue to be discussions but WMIH must first get an understanding from the IRS on what tax attributes can be used and how.
WMIH is going under the radar just like anybody would do when one committed as many illegal actions as these people have. This whole tragedy has been blacked out worldwide since the seizure in 9/25/2008.
When they emerged from bankruptcy court, there was no celebration and virtually no coverage. When WMIH files their 8K discussing their business plan, capital raise and other, then the stock will be revalued at whatever the market thinks based on the 8K filing and announcement.
Until then you will see very little.If one does not believe this is their strategy or something very similar, then I would suggest you sell all and get out now as this will go lower until some news comes out and that could literally be any hour, day week but my guess is the real game changer will come between 9/15/2012 and 10/31/2012.
Not true as there can be a capital raise through the preferred stock that is already approved (5 million shares) per the POR. It just cannot have any voting rights or other and it would NOT be dilutive in any way. I ask you to do more research and you will find this to be true. Enough said on this issue from me.
fsshon, I hope you are doing well and this is a very good post that I agree with. It may not work exactly like this, but it WILL WORK like this in principle. It is very hard to continue to have patience after being here since mid September of 2008 but I will stay the course.
I will be here when this "life changer" hits because there is no doubt in my mind the people we are in the boat with now will monetize this to the maximum value possible!
Confidence, Patience, Foundation, History = Success!
First of all, the people we are involved with are professionals who are connected to powerful, wealthy and intelligent people whether we want to admit it or not. These people are not little people in how they transact business. All one has to do is look at any of their history.
Now for the very simplistic explanation as to why this organization has to be huge to be successful. in order to use our largest asset whether it is now or in the future, we have to be huge, generating profits from hundreds of millions annually into billions over the next three, five, ten and twenty years. Otherwise, anywhere from fifteen to fifty billion dollars of various tax attributes will go to waste. There is only one way that can happen and one has to get huge very quickly and that my friend is through a large capital raise and mergers.
Think of it this way, we have a wonderful once in a lifetime foundation with the opportunity to make untold money which is almost better than a money printing machine. If one does not have an organization generating the profits to make use of the very sought after platform called WMIH, then the platform is basically worthless. Now with the type of people we are involved with, do you think these people are going to waste and destroy this golden opportunity through a onetime sellout or not large enough to utilize? The answer is no, they will not behead this Golden Goose through a onetime kill.
Think of it this way, if you have a brand new truck ready to pull your boat to the lake; on the surface this all looks great but if there is not an engine in the truck then that is all it is, nice looks and no action. The same applies to out platform called WMIH. If it is only capitalized with 75 million dollars, this company does not stand one chance of utilizing the tax attributes, very little chance of any success and virtually no point in going forward. This does not sound like the kind of people we are dealing with now does it? So now how does the kind of five billion dollar capital raise sound now?
They can buy a three to seven billion dollar company now and be fifteen to twenty billion dollar organization in a very short period of time generating profits to fully utilize the tax attributes over time. We are the Golden Goose that will not be beheaded for a one time kill. Sit back, relax and watch, as these money people turn this into a huge conglomerate in a few short years and yes this does take time. I will give WMIH till the end of the year, but more than likely we will hear something between 9/15/2012 and 12/31/2012.
Year 2008-FB traded on secondary market!
This is very interesting and leads to much credibility from WMIH Board of Directors. So the same action in trading happened to FB who did not sponsor trading on Facebook in 2008 with the secondary market either.
Now here we are with WMIH with no sanctioned trading either and we will be looking for a public offering hopefully by the end of this year. This should put an end to many Naysayers complaining about this style of trading in WMIH!
Yeah, more like the U.S. Government disguised as a publically traded corporation.
My hope would be that "circle jerk" called the Federal Reserve would all be arrested and taken in front of a firing squad which would do the 'world' a HUGE favor!!!
The new Watergate is now TraderGate by JPM-Losses Grow!
I will ask one question and I hope the answer to that question in reality is yes. That is will this be the next Watergate since this country is more than due for one and shall we call this one TraderGate?
http://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/goto/evaluate/news/basicNewsStory.jhtml?symbols=JPM&storyid=201205171016MIDNIGHTUSEQUITY_A542565&provider=MIDNIGHT&product=USEQUITY&hlinks=vnhl
biding, it is really simple when one has a fiduciary responsibility and is the OWNER of the court room who is supposed to be a Judge and not allow multiple crimes within a court rrom. Come on folks, she cannot put her head in the sand and say I do not know. Even Texas passed a law not allowing a C.E.O. to use that and if the C.E.O. does, it is no excuse...still guilty.
For this Judge partcipating in the crime of bankrupcy fraud, multiple conflicts of interest, Rosie who is supposed to be working for the Estate-was clearly working for the enemy and so much more that I will not even go into should have been arrested and jailed herself. For anybody that has followed this case and sticks up for this Judge is clearly part of the problem and not the solution.
I place this Judge below Terrorists, as she went to school to uphold the constitution, enforce the laws on the books and to do the right thing as opposed to working to destroy what so many people have given their lives for, have been handicapped and more the rest of their lives for. All of this, to allow financial terrorists to continue to rape society, trample the U.S.Constitution through corrupt Judges and destroy our children's future for the immediate sake of money, power and just plain greed!
ifuwish, all one has to do is ask themselves one question. That being do you REALLY think, very wealthy, highly educated, very connected people who regularly make investments of hundreds of millions into the billions of "face" value-distressed debt will blow a once in a lifetime opportunity to monetize anywhere from 15 to 45 billion dollars of various types of tax attributes that would cover anywhere from 10-20 years of not paying income tax on monies made?
Thanks a lot and have a great day!
Elizabeth Warren call for Dimon to resign from the N.Y. FED!
Now SOMEBODY is finally standing up against this american born financial terrorist!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-13/elizabeth-warren-calls-for-dimon-to-resign-from-new-york-fed.html
Revocation of confirmation order- Up to 180 days from order!
The Criminals are not off the hook yet. Hopefully JPM’s enemies will come out and we have up to six months (180 days) to get confirmation order revoked. I know many would say I am dreaming but back in the day many thought Watergate could have never happened. When there are billions at stake and now lifestyles and much more, anything at this point is possible!
Revocation of the Confirmation Order
Revocation of the confirmation order is an undoing or cancellation of the confirmation of a plan. A request for revocation of confirmation must be made by a party in interest within 180 days of confirmation. The court, after notice and hearing, may revoke a confirmation order "if and only if the confirmation order was procured by fraud." 11 U.S.C. § 1144
http://thismatter.com/money/credit/bankruptcy/chapter-11/discharge-postconfirmation-final-decree.htm
JPM=U.S. Government disguised by a corporate entity that is publically traded!
Unfortunaely folks, when we have a Government that controls the three branches of Government through coercion, bribery, intimidation, payoffs and other, this is (link below) where we are headed.
It is very sad when we have one corrupt Judge who was entitled to fix a case that had the potential of a 300 hundred billion dollar and more liability only to realize there was absolutely no recourse. This should prove to those who know that this country is on the verge of falling off a very high cliff into an abyss of self destruction. When these Criminals are allowed to get TOTALLY away with this travesty, it can tell you one thing, it only gets worse from here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom
fsshon, good evening and I hope you are doing well. You have got to be kidding...REALLY...there is no way in hell those documents that show all of this corruption is going to be revealed ANYTIME in the next several years. This mulitple crime-ridden scene of corruption will be treated like the Kennedy Files...not in our lifetime!