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Quote: I smell doubloons!
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Not on an SFRX boat you won't.
Quote: Spain should go right along with that BS, right?
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Spain doesn't do deals with treasure hunters. least of all this outfit. Rather I should say UNESCO doesn't do deals with treasure hunters, as Spain being a ratifier of the treaty.
I find it very surprising that this company has never made disclosure as to just what the facts really are.
Quote: Can you imagine what the pps would/could do if they had salvage rights and an agreement with Spain in place. An agreement with Spain is likely an impossibility because of the treaties they've signed. Plus they have claimed rights to their galleons after the 2001 Supreme Court ruling that said the Concepcion was Spain's property.
But that's what a real salvage company would do before spending the million$ they have with nothing to show for it.
At this point any treasure or artifacts found remains where it's found, in-situ.
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Its hard to believe that investors could be so naive as to believe there's any future in treasure hunting for Spanish galleons. There are no deals with Spain for any private sector entity. Spain was one of the frontrunners and first signatures to the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty which prohibits any kind of commercial salvage for profit motive. They do not do business with treasure hunting entities. True, the U.S. has not signed the treaty but nevertheless adhere's to the concepts in most instances. As for Florida, they have historically proven themselves as a very unreliable partner. They stabbed Global Marine in the back when they discovered the 16th Century French wreck off of Canaveral and they don't issue salvage contracts. The only active salvage contracts are those that were grandfathered in to Mel Fisher's Treasure Salvors, Inc. and all those same rights are now carried by the Queens Jewel's, Inc.
But as the song or saying goes, 'Fools rush in where angel's fear to tread'.
Quote: As was asked earlier, for what? More BS.......
claiming a clown show is going to dominate the world.
According to Ware it’s supposed to happen by the middle/end of January 2021.
Hey......Q1 2021!!’
Weeeeeee
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Its hilarious. ..'and the band played on'.
Quote: I guess moral authority isn't a high priority on his list.
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I doubt it ever has been.
Quote: Regardless, these guys have never found anything significant since inception. In other words, they've NEVER proven themselves to be salvors.
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They've NEVER proven themselves to be finders of shipwrecks either. I don't care if they have 20 years in the business, they're still amateurs which is obvious by their performance, selection of personnel, boats, etc. I could go on. Zero success at anything they've done.
I can only surmise that this CEO actually knows little to nothing about treasure hunting (not to mention treasure salvaging) but does well know the penny stock and public relations game.
Quote: It just seems that everything on seasercher has to be special ordered, just a guess.
Things dont go smoothly for SFRX.
Thats why
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Something tells me you're going to see a lot more excuses forthcoming. But hey, there's always next season.
Great working conditions. Little room for excuses.
AMZ552-111430-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
330 AM EDT Tue Aug 11 2020
TODAY
Southwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southeast in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 7 seconds. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers
and thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a
dominant period 10 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal
waters. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
WEDNESDAY
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a
dominant period 9 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal
waters. Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
THURSDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
THURSDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet.
Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
FRIDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance
of showers and thunderstorms.
FRIDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
SATURDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
Quote: LOLOL let's see it was made of wood, not many (metal detectors) pick up on wood. JMO only the nails.
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Here we go with a whole lot of nonsense again. So let me provide some facts.
As per the research, the ship grounded (hit a sand bank, shoal, or reef) and broke apart. Now you want to believe that these fantasy land pie in the sky estimates of 'billions of dollars' worth of treasure just went bobbing along for miles contained in a broken off stern castle. Do you realize that wold represent tons and tons of treasure? The hundreds of silver bars and dozens of coin chests were stored below the waterline down in the hold on top of the ballast. Yes, there was usually a treasure room in the stern but that was for lighter weight chests of valuables. The 1715 'Concepcion' didn't carry tons and tons of treasure which is validated in the actual manifest. If you can post anything that factually contradicts that, I'll stand corrected.
Even a stern castle wasn't put together with rubber bands and bubble gum. There were many large spikes and pin rod fasteners, deck rings, and don't forget the multiple port and starboard 'iron' deadeye straps supporting the rigging that held up the mizzen mast (on the stern). Even these ferro-magnetic targets (without the presence of iron cannons) are readily recognizable on a properly performed cesium magnetometer survey. The excuse of no magnetism doesn't wash.
So, its August 11th, sea conditions are very good but where's the shipwreck, even where's the so called stern castle and, most of all, where are the tons, and tons of treasure? Wonder if the Tinker Toy is tinking? Even if it is, there must be high expectations of having it produce what isn't there. Seems to be a lot of silence these days.
Quote: hedge_fun Monday, 08/10/20 04:19:09 PM
Re: Raider21 post# 62446 0
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Wouldn't the stern castle show as a much......
bigger hit on a mag survey than a 55 gallon drum?
I know the answer, I just find it amusing the mag surveys that were done picked up beach chairs, beer cans, wheels, and even spikes.
But we're supposed to believe it simply didn't pick up the stern castle. Maybe there was some inference or something. Yeah, that has to be it.
No worries, Tinkerbell 2.0 to the rescue.
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I need not tell you, this has gone far, far beyond the point of being downright ridiculous. And actually, its not so much the company as it is the stockholding cheerleaders posting here. If I had to guess, at this point in time the company has to be feeling the pressure of that 'It ain't happening so what do we do next?
Trueblue: While your munching on that crow sandwich, you may want to ponder the following;
In the Legajo Escribania 1058C in the (AGI) Archives of the Indies, Seville, Spain it says;
"The Concepcion grounded on Cape Canaveral"......
Note the word GROUNDED. That means the ship (in the hurricane) hit a reef or sand bar and came apart (which that's substantiated in the document) but when examining charts of the SFRX area they're working in, there is no outlying reef or sand bar so it really doesn't fit the statement (testimony) does it. Oh, but I'm sure you'll come up with an explanation (excuse) of some sort.
Quote: trueblue Sunday, 08/09/20 09:14:48 PM
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The items that were found all ready, show that anything else could be in the area. With the SeaSearcher I think we will find out what else is there. I have my opinion you have yours. I have shares, you don't.what matters is what they do or don't find in that area. There is a whole lot more things they could work on besides. Jmo
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When you combine the actual research testimonial facts with those things found (not by SFRX), it clearly spells but one thing FLOTSAM. The 1715 'Concepcion' carried 32 iron cannon of which only one has ever been found in the area (not by SFRX). 32 iron cannon just don't walkaway on the sea floor and the lame excuse that they were picked up by WWII scrap salvors doesn't wash. Not in + or - 40 feet of water, limited visibility and inevitably buried in the bottom. Well documented Spanish treasure wreck finds have been found using marine magnetometers. Finding a shipwreck with 32 iron cannon scattered about the site (even just a couple) would be like shooting ducks in a barrel to detect them on a marine magnetometer.
As for the legendary 'found-nothing' Tinker Toy, there is no evidence disclosed that the thing even works. If there is and I missed t, please post a link. As a treasure hunting company its an obvious failure without the experience or ability to serious assess existing research, accumulated 'in-the-field' results, and know its time to move on. But wait. The unproven Tinker Toy is going to find the wreck that isn't there. Aren't you glad you own your shares.
Why don't you tell us all about the "There is a whole lot more things they could work on besides".
Should be interesting.
Quote: I'm good with what I read.
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I do question that. You seem to have trouble reading and understanding the actual archival research facts which I have posted here repeatedly.
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trueblue Sunday, 08/09/20 12:09:46 PM
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LOLOL, Well I'm counting on the equipment being able to do what they say. I read Dr. Baer's Melbourne paper again. The platters, pistol, cannon, and other items found in the area make a lot of scenario's possible. The game changer in the search for treasure is the new equipment. Also if or when they work other areas what will they find? I think their just getting started. It's all about the SeaSearcher. I'll hang onto that crow! JMO
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Actually, its a whole bunch of repetitious nonsense. We've all read what Baer's written before. He says nothing that suggests that the wreck site is there. And you have posted nothing that supports this Tinker Toy even works. Yet you are suggesting its going to find a ship wreck and treasure that by research and all indications isn't even there. Have another crow sandwich on me.
Quote: We may run out of eggs and crow to give to some folks? JMO
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Company cheerleaders here have been on a constant diet of the above for years now and just don't know it. No shipwreck, no treasure and no proof whatsoever the Tinker Toy even works. As I had mentioned before, in this case I doubt I'll ever be eating crow for even if It were to be, it will be an extinct specie before this clown town outfit ever finds a shipwreck and treasure where they're looking. Hit the refresh button and look up 'flotsam'. Thirty two iron cannons and they can't find one. Yes I know, excuses, excuses - and the band played on.
I always forget to ask. How are those big government contracts working out? Probably millions of bucks in the company coffers already right?
Quote: Like 'just you wait and see' we're still tweaking Tinkerbell but it might work one day and find the wreck that isn't there.
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My comment. Not the companies.
The marine forecast is simply great. What amuses me are the on going excuses for no shipwreck and no treasure. Like 'just you wait and see' we're still tweaking Tinkerbell but it might work one day and find the wreck that isn't there.
AMZ552-072115-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
333 AM EDT Fri Aug 7 2020
TODAY
Southwest winds 5 knots becoming southeast in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers
and thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots becoming south after
midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 9 seconds.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
SATURDAY
South winds 5 knots becoming southeast in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 9 seconds. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
SATURDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
SUNDAY
Southeast winds 5 knots becoming 5 to 10 knots in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A light chop on the intracoastal
waters. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the
morning, then chance of showers and thunderstorms in the
afternoon.
SUNDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots becoming south
after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
MONDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance
of showers and thunderstorms.
MONDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots becoming south
after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Slight chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
TUESDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
Quote: I see this stock getting over a penny within 2 months.
I'm hopeful it is testing the bottom here.
JMO ......
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Seems you're another one in the 'hot air balloon' business too.
Quote: Thanks for the heads up on the weather! Much appreciated.jmo
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You are always welcome. Courtesy of your reality man.
Workable conditions have returned. So where's the shipwreck and the piles of treasure?
AMZ552-052030-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
347 AM EDT Wed Aug 5 2020
TODAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a
dominant period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal
waters. Scattered thunderstorms and chance of showers.
TONIGHT
South winds 10 to 15 knots diminishing to 5 to
10 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a dominant period
9 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance
of showers and thunderstorms in the evening.
THURSDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet with
a dominant period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal
waters. Showers and thunderstorms likely.
THURSDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to
3 feet. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters. Chance of
showers and thunderstorms in the evening, then isolated showers
and thunderstorms after midnight.
FRIDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
FRIDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet. Slight
chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance of
showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to
2 feet. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SUNDAY
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance of
showers and thunderstorms.
Quote: SFRX is just getting started!!! JMO
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Just getting started. Really? Please enlighten us with something other than just assumptions. You must know something no one else knows. As a treasure hunting company, historically, its a fifteen year flop.
If the 'hot air balloon' analogy doesn't fit, then plain old barnyard bull shit describes things equally well.
Quote: Facts are facts,
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Exactly. Facts are facts but when it comes to reality assessments of this companies performance as professional treasure hunters, it's nothing but failure al the way. Now that's a fact.
On the other hand, if its about the companies capabilities of producing 'hot air balloon' profits, that's another story, isn't it? Yes, 'facts are facts'.
Quote: This is about to get fun. Today? Tomorrow? Who cares; it's coming.
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What might that be. Another 'hot air balloon' launch?
Quote: Whatcha wanna bet the next site will be another proven worthless site because serious research isn’t SFRX’s cup of tea, among other things.
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The reality is that these people have never done anything on their own. It's always been 'piggybacking', attempting to exploit a project someone else had previously initiated. Juno Beach for starters. As I recall, that was the launching pad for this great treasure hunting organization. The site was surveyed and dove by many notable professionals over the years. Robert Marx, David Foster, Duke Long were some of them. The site was always a failure but now the excuse is 'the secret magnetometer survey' that got stolen, not turned over. Cloak and dagger B.S. Now naturally that's where all the treasure is. More bull crap. They can't find wrecks, can't find treasure but now they're the self-proclaimed leaders of the. development of underwater shipwreck locating technology (according to the cheerleading posters). That remains unproven. No shipwreck, no treasure but then again how can any remote sensing instrumentation find a shipwreck or treasure that's not even there?
Quote: That is just your opinion, nothing more. I'm not sure but i don't think SFRX is fenced in to a specific location in the ocean. Did somebody tell SFRX that they can only work in the one location? Can't work elsewhere? can't work on other projects? I don't think so. I will keep my shares with a company 10' from the goal line. JMO
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No, that's not just my opinion. It's archival research supported facts which I have posted here on numerous occasions. Most certainly these amateurs can attempt to move to any where they want if they'd have the common sense to do so.
Quote: Never give up 10' from the goal line. Jmo
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Wishful thinking.
The reality is, you're miles from the goal line but the people at SFRX don't seem to be smart enough to realize that.
Quote: I have no issues waiting for news.
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Of course you don't. You have little choice.
Now the weather/sea conditions are very bad considering the hurricane season has arrived. Actually it's probably a blessing in disguise as the company won't be at a loss for excuses to cover over there on going failures.
Quote: Is that why Kyle said Q1 2020?.........And
is that why we read weeks ago just a few more days?
Because it takes time?
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Getting right down to it, its all hilarious. On going entertainment from the 'it takes time', wanna be, gonna be, just you wait and see boys. No shipwreck, no treasure and no evidence whatsoever that the Tinker Toy does anything. Yep, because it takes time. There's always next season.
It is such a factual wake up call that I decided to post it again anyway. Yes, you are welcome.
https://www.academia.edu/7742933/An_Outline_of_the_Nature_of_the_Threat_to_Underwater_Cultural_Heritage_in_International_Waters?email_work_card=view-paper
Talking about 'with half a brain', anyone under the illusion that treasure hunting has a future (particularly pertaining to Spanish treasure galleons, needs to take the time and read through the pertinent sections.
https://www.academia.edu/7742933/An_Outline_of_the_Nature_of_the_Threat_to_Underwater_Cultural_Heritage_in_International_Waters?email_work_card=view-paper
Quote: Key Phrase...
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Anyone with half a brain knows that daily operations are not something to put in a PR
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Yes indeed. Anyone with half a brain would know these people have nothing valid to even put in a PR.
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hedge_fun Friday, 07/31/20 04:45:27 PM
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Did they claim English found a death mask......like
Kyle did? If so, did Dr. deBry suggest it was authentic too?
Kyle went so far as to say it proved Torres technology worked.
Did Kyle ever call English BRILLIANT, as he did along with all the above in a paid promo when discussing Torres?
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Anyone can backtrack my posts and can see that I expressed my suspicions regarding the Torres death mask find immediately. Far beyond just coincidental that they bring in Mr. Genius who was going to create the Tinkerbell magic and then out of nowhere, on the beach, not in the suspected wreck site, comes up with the death mask find. Torres is a proven fraud and the mask find was as well. Nevertheless, SFRX got a good ride with him around just the same. A clown show at its best.
Quote: I would urge everyone to clear out the noise and do your research and look at the facts. Ask yourself intelligent questions and the answer will be clear. As for me I will be here until the day we all raise a glass and enjoy the long hard ride. Nothing worth having comes easy my friends!!
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......."and do your research and look at the facts". Can you actually say you've done that? A company that has been foolishly 'spinning wheels' going nowhere for + or - 15 years and too ignorant to realize there isn't an actual shipwreck there. The facts are apparent. These people are amateurs who don't know what they're doing. No shipwreck, no treasure and not one experienced, qualified veteran treasure hunter, treasure finder working on their team. Oh but whoopee , wow, they have x-military divers, etc., etc. That might be impressive to the unknowing sheeple but not to any of us who have been there and done it.
While at it, please make a list of the "validated" facts.
Quote: Thanks, as you say real shareholders know it takes time! JMO
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Professionals. successful treasure hunters know that too. They also know when its time to move on and concentrate their efforts where the wreck might be rather than where all evidence indicates it is not. Some flotsam yes, shipwreck no. The difference between experienced professionals and amateurs like this clown outfit.
Quote: Not what I said, it was not a fast turn around in the least bit and I don't know why you would think that.
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No, that's not what you said, true.. What I am saying is you, among others, including the CEO thought this Torres was the genius SFRX wonder child . Obviously you, the company CEO or anyone else did any due diligence - vetting on this character. Now, of course, he's a total "Scheißkopf". Now that's a turn around.
"At a bar near Melbourne Beach, the underwater treasure hunter met the Army Ranger who was also a cryptocurrency millionaire and adjunct professor at one of America’s most prestigious universities."
The 'treasure hunter at the bar' was Kyle Kennedy, was it not?
Quote: And it was a crew member that stumbled across Torres in a bar. Don't think they are still with the company but can't be sure.
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So, are you saying a crew member met him in a bar but the CEO hired him without vetting?
Also, when out of nowhere, Torres just happens to find this Peruvian burial mask he was the greatest thing that ever happened. That was alright. But now he's a lying POS. Believe me, I agree but am amused by the fast turn around in opinion.
Quote: The Torres Video of The Week ~ Scams
Sure sounds like this a reference to SFRX.
Also, is this the Richard English who worked with SFRX?
Quote: He had a lot of accomplishments, looking from the outside back in the day. I can see how he more than likely took a lot of heat for a while also. He did accomplish a lot! I'll give SFRX a while longer to prove themselves also. JMO
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Reasonable answer. Logical.
Quote: SFRX is a great company!! Go SFRX!
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Great. Great at what?