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it Just shows you don't know what you are talking about ROCKET SCIENTIST, LOL!!! Insinuating things about me, insinuating things about TIM YOUNG, insinuating that the whole HYSR team did nothing but lie to us! How cynical can anyone be? NOT ONE thing you said is true!!!
Bring up your credentials??? Talk is cheap! Everyone else is wrong but you!! Just stick to the facts! The HYSR device has proven itself to be an excellent Hydrogen producer, (Beyond expectations too) and will serve the Fuel Cell genre well!
Fill the Car up in less than 5-8 minutes, see the MPHG soar well over 500 miles, see the Hydrogen based economy soar as the OIL SUPPLIES deplete year after year, and will prove that TIM YOUNG is as good a CEO as you will find! It is too bad that you don't see the positives, only the fictitious negatives!
Hang in there, this is a good Company!!!
Your darn right I am not your pal! I wouldn't walk on the same stage as you PROFESSOR! One just cannot talk with haters!
Why do you hate and criticize those who have variant views than yours? You had better go back to Grammar School! Evidently you weren't taught any manners! The new Hydrogen cars that are coming out are Fuel Cell Hydrogen Cars, not using Hydrogen as they do in the Apollo Moon Rocket! The funniest thing I ever heard, LOL... Then some hater mentioned Windmill type Electricity generators, how does that fit in with what we are talking about?
Then you talked with Tim Young? If you did, no wonder he hung-up on you? But I doubt that is the truth Professor, as I will bring it to his attention and see if he knows who RSH is?
Pal, it is you who is so confused! Evidently, you just don't know how Fuel Cells operate, pure and simple! Don't tell me of your gabble, as it sounds like a Grammar School kid talking, and wanting to be recognized more than anything else?
Talk to Tim Young, then open your mouth, but I doubt you will!
Hysr. I must end up the first paragraph as I intended to, but I got sidetracked! I wanted to say; "
It would never be used as the main propellant in a Fuel Cell Vehicle, never!"
hysr... Yes in the first stage of most of the United States moon Rockets, hydrogen was used to propel the first stage as I said! But as the main propellant NEVER!!
But to use hydrogen as the basic fuel in Cars would be disastrous, as the Car would be propelled to the moon very fast, with dead bodies strung along the path!
Is somebody insinuating that Hydrogen would be used in Cars instead of a fuel Cell system? There are many forms of Hydrogen, not just one! Hydrogen works very well when coupled to a Fuel Cell where the gases from the Storage Tank are fed into the quite simple Fuel Cell compartment! Hydrogen in itself would never be used in cars as the main propellant, as its explosive nature could never be contained in the conventional metals used today!
It would require a storage tank as thick as a Tank's chassis for it to be used in that capacity!! Nothing other than A Fuel Cell is practical, where the Hydrogen Gas would be fed into the Fuel Cell(s,) under measured amounts, to be broken down into Protons and Electrons, where the ELECTRONS would run a MOTOR that turns the wheels!
Please people listen to who you want to listen to, but don't insult the BOARD with stupid remarks such as I'm seeing these days? They don't even consult Tim Young before they start criticizing HYSR or anyone else, yet they go on a rampage, much like a student might who thinks he knows it all, and tells the Professor that he should learn from him? To me, I have a basic idea how Fuel Cell cars operate, and that is all I have to say!
Please don't tell me to stop the pump! It is the facts that count and that Joker doesn't know what he is talking about! I suppose he was in the CIA too!
Yes, pressurized Hydrogen is used as the basic storage material, but it is fed into the fuel Cell, where it does its job! I will debate RSH or whatever his tag is, anytime, anywhere, Rocket Scientist or not, which I am sure he never was! What's he doing Investing in the pennies like the rest of us Poor blokes, when his education should be better used?
He is awful nasty, and give this Scientist a lesson on productive discussion, which he has no clue of whatsoever!
Just type in Hydrogen and the Fuel Cell!!
For a ROCKET SCIENTIST (Credentials please,) you should be the first to know that there are many applications for Hydrogen! One is where it is broken down into its basic constituents, Electrons being one of them, which then are used to fuel the Fuel Cell car!
hysr... Boy have you got it all wrong! First the only Patent you can apply for in the "IDEA" phase is a provisional patent, not an honest to goodness Patent application! That Provisional Patent gives an entity (1) year to bring about an actual working model, or that type of patent runs out!
A PATENT APPLICATION assumes that there is a Running/Working version of that idea, not just an idea in itself, and the size of it doesn't matter as long as it runs in the basic production sense!
why should anyone bring HATRED to the board? Some are NEGATIVE with everything and that is not only a shame, but lays the groundwork for bitter debate instead of common sense debate!
hysr. Don't get personal with me, OK! I know what I am talking about, do you? You have a total misunderstanding of the "Hydrogen to Electron fuel" conversion system! HYSR WILL produce Hydrogen so the Fuel Cell system in cars can operate, otherwise the cars wouldn't be able to operate?
It isn't me that's BLABBERING like you say!
hysr. What are you talking about? The device has been developed for use in Fuel Cell Vehicles... to fill up their tanks with hydrogen, the first part of the process to eventually result in electrons producing the energy to run the Cars and other vehicles!
I am not pumping the Co', just reacting to what I think are uninformed posts! If I am wrong, just tell me how Hydrogen fits into the Fuel Cell Cars? If it has no real use in vehicle fuel development, then I am out of here!
The device produces Hydrogen, and will at sustainable amounts once the larger version is put into place! The smaller devices do have some utility to them, or they wouldn't have plans to produce 100 of them!
HYSR.. That's your opinion, but the Device was designed specifically for Vehicles, and a few other options that are secondary I suppose? Yes, there are other devices that produce Hydrogen, but are not specifically set-up to fill up a Fuel Cell vehicle "Tank!"
HYSR Gen11 is the future.
hysr They have been building and refining for years, what are you talking about? Not only have they been experimenting with various elements, proving or disproving them, testing various combinations of elements, testing their theories against what is presently in vogue, but reaching a 1,000 running hours-time plateau, which has the potential for reaching higher!
Now comes the testing in the real world! But to imply that there has no testing is truly absurd, since each step of the way demands testing, or Patenting would not be possible!
hysr. The mass production of the Gen1 device is all we need right now! When it is made larger because of the Hydrogen amounts needed, the speed of operation improvements, and the minor alterations that will keep the costs as low as possible, the Gen1 will do the job until the Gen2 becomes available!
Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars will give the EV Battery type cars a run for their money, as it is self-cooling, uses far less expensive Elements in its construction, and the Fuel Cell principle has been around quite a long time, so it is a proven commodity!
hysr. Pay attention to the test results! 1000 hours of continuous operation passed, and that will be more than enough for the test batch?
Yes, there will be problems once the device hits the streets, but every device I know of, has Bugs that have to be worked out!~ Nothing catastrophic however, as the basics have already been worked out, and that is the main thing! A twitch here, an adjustment made there, a correction taking place, and we will have the Best Hydro-Production unit anywhere! IMO...
Hysr.. I have a prediction too!! Most of what Mr. Young's PRs will be borne-out by the commercial results!
This to those who such a negative view on the Hydrogen future and HYSR in particular! Do some of you think that Mr. Young has been wasting his time wracking his Brain unless a substantial amount of Hydrogen will be Commercially available in the near future?
Totally misguided if they think so IMO! The present models are small in size and cannot compare to the results that a larger, more capable device is constructed? That is where we are now, seeing (Small Bubbles,) LOL... results from a small device that is not intended to show real world results as far as capacity & practicality goes?
That new FUEL CELL Car, the HS1, or whatever it is called, can reach speeds of over 200 miles per hour, with a range of 1,000 miles per tankful of Hydrogen!!! With more research on the H-Car, better and safer results will undoubtedly occur!
With the possibility that new EV Car batteries will have to be replaced every so many months or years, and the Fire hazard remaining in place to some degree, that the Battery EVs will be forever in Vogue, especially with new batteries coming out periodically? Doesn't that mean that new technical changes will have to be made in order to instill the new batteries, whether they be one type or another! Will there ever become a standardized EV Battery that will be maybe 200X better than the types we have now, for that is what they will have to do to overcome the Hydrogen Advantage that even the first production models have in the near future!
While the Lithium Battery has had maybe 15 years to perfect what we have now, it is predictable that the Hydrogen system and Fuel Cell development will reach much higher grounds with a few more years of Innovation and development?
Yes, there will be variations, but with that new model, sports car or whatever, it shows a welcome addition to the Automobile/Vehicle industry?
Remember, a Fuel cell runs on Hydrogen yes, but is transformed internally by the fuel cell, directly to Electrons that run the Vehicle much like a battery driven Car does! Tremendously more stable, especially at highway speeds, where heat and a more expensive battery in EV Cars to handle that heat have to be installed, which will worry the general population!
Also, many Batteries have to be lined-up in conjunction with one another to obtain the power needed to function, but with the extra wiring and Battery Chassis having to be extraordinarily tough to withstand the pressures placed upon it, the Fuel Cell Car will not have that many problems, for the Fuel Cell has been around a lot longer than Battery driven cars, not counting the early battery cars that were not much better than the Batteries we now use used to produce additional power!
somehow you got lost in the Muddle? Water and Sunlight to Hydrogen friend, not oil or methane? gas to Hydrogen, which may have been a prior method of Hydrogen production!
The cost of this Water and Sunlight production method promises to be the least expensive of all the methods! GLTA.
Maybe there is a Hydrogen future after all? I plan to wait it out!!
No, I did not miss the point!!! some of us misread or ignore all the News over the years? HYSR has a wonderfully efficient device, the Gen1, and is developing another powerful device in Gen11!
Then most people have noticed that a new Hydrogen Vehicle is in the near production phase, making our Co' even closer to commercialization! It has a 1,000 mile range on one full tank of Hydrogen! It is due to be in production sometime in late 2021 to sometime in 2022!
BY the way, the cost of refining Gasoline over Hydrogen will be greater than the cost of Producing Hydrogen, which uses Water and Solar cells to cause the Hydrogen production! The oil to Gasoline production has to go through a number of costly steps to arrive at Gasoline!! Costly!!!
Then we have the present day Lithium-ion Battery, which is known to cause fires in just about every product it services! Other types are in the works yes, but when the public realizes that our space program at NASA uses Fuel Cells to operate the control systems, it will have a sales advantage over just about anything else? IMO...
To say that a bunch of High School kids could've mastered the HYSR technology is not only absurd, but damaging to the Scientist/Engineers that spent 9 hard years developing the devices?
CRTG Pegs1... I hope it works out, but the guys in the Office aren't Scientists! It is doubtful that they know all that is going on in the field?
That is why they Licensed-out the CHS, not invented it! They have quite a bit of work to do, but I am beginning to feel that they might have what it takes to bring something new into this field, and make something worthwhile for CRTG Investors? GLTA...
Think what you want, but the CHS Patent is in other peoples' hands, so we can't use it for our benefit without the permission of the Patent holder? Didn't we clear that up earlier?
While the past methods for scaling-up the CHS might not be sufficient, we no longer have a license to use the CHS product? We had some commercial rights while the Patent(s) were licensed by us for the period stated in the Contract, no matter what the Boys say, they cannot do anything with the previous CHS! That is why we are working with the U-of-Michigan science department....to develop a new and Better CHS?
Once CRTG and the U of Michigan come up with a better CHS, then a new Production method can be found and Patented! Producing the old CHS with a new Production method makes no sense, as NDSU has terminated the contract by way of time, and/or developmental lapses! But maybe the Office Guys have found a way to License the CHS again, who knows? Maybe at the time of the License termination, the Guys made some sort of deal to continue the work on the CHS product? They would let us know about a new and more limited contract however, instead of saying "The CHS is ours," a close paraphrase? I may be wrong, but that is the way I see it? GLTA
crtg. If CRTG is applying for a "CHS SYNTHESIS" patent, will that allow them to use the Patent for the own developmental purposes? Will that allow them to sell the stuff to EV manufacturers and get the full financial benefits derived therefrom?
They can produce the stuff, but the CHS itself is patented, and cannot be used as is described by anyone who does not have the written permission of the original CHS Patentors!
The new synthesis process must be related to a new and better CHS+ product, then they, (Crtg) can use it at will! Both Synthesis and Product description go hand in hand as one is not Patentable without the other! A complete Patent must prove that it can be synthesized and how to do it!! Just another way to synthesize it limits what they (crtg), can do with it, if anything at all without the Original Patentor getting in on the benefits of those who will use the CHS commercially! That is if the new synthesis is focused on the earlier version(s) of the CHS Patents, which if true, would be foolish!
My hope is that a new version of the CHS, (CHS+), and a new way of producing it, which goes without saying, will be what is in the new Patent application! But why patent a new process, that is in regard to the older CHS, when one or more synthesizing techniques are already in place to synthesize it?
It just seems to me that the boys have something new to offer, even if it still is only on paper at this time? I hope that they can fulfill their promises? But going by past experiences, promises are all they ever had, nothing more!! I may be wrong, but the Boys got in on the CHS as salesmen only, (Proven by the NDSU original license to CRTG), not product developers as they depended upon what was already available at the time! IMO only.
crtg If you don't believe me, just go to NDSU and ask questions! I did?
crtg. Aside from using CHS in the "Led" genre, my Q is whether they can use CHS as patented by NDSU, to use in Battery Storage! Now my understanding is that they cannot use that form of CHS Patented by NDSU, and must be supplanted by a better and more efficient form of CHS if they are to attain a Patent on the CHS+ material? That to me is what CRTG is doing in conjunction with the "U of Michigan" science department!
First, and I might be wrong, is that they had to contract the use of the CHS from NDSU, which would have been illegal if they used it without the written authorization from NDSU! Since the original "Usage" agreement fell through, the only way to commercialize a form of it would be to develop a different version of it, patent it, then sell/contract it out to Car Manufacturers or Battery manufacturers!
Second, Because the LED thing, (Patented?) by CRTG as far as I know, then they might not have that many problems Licensing the CHS from the patent holders? We all know CHS is Patented!! Unlike what a poster once said, the CHS is a mathematical combination of certain Elements/Molecules in a precise fashion that is not normal in nature, therefore being patentable by the USPTO!
One just cannot go and use a Patented product without the Patent originators making an agreement with CRTG, then getting their cut? That's my simple belief in the matter! Whether there are other options CRTG may use, I don't know? But work on a new version is well underway with the U of Michigan, and is the stuff that can revolutionize the EV Industry, that is if a completely different way of enhancing the Storage capacity is brought forward first by other Inventors! A lot of things going on simultaneously, so we had better be quick and have something that is simpler than all the rest of the incoming Storage products!
I bought into Ener1 maybe 15 years ago, and who patented their version of EV Batteries! But, as the luck of the Penny Investors usually goes, they were bought out by a rich Russian and is now Private! If the recession hadn't hit us back then, we may have had some interesting EV batteries contracted out! By the way, they had just Built a huge Battery manufacturing plant somewhere in Indiana, and ENEI Investors thought we were in on something big?
crtg. I hope CRTG gets moving on the battery storage part of the CHS stuff?
There may be two versions of the CHS? One is the new CHS+ version that can be used to improve EV Battery storage capacity by 300 to 500%, then the CHS stuff that crtg thinks they have firmly established in their hands? Then, it is possible that CRTG has made another agreement with NDSU to use the already patented CHS on their LED's? It might be worth trying, but again, there is Chemistry/Physics that might have to be restructured for the Led's to work strongly and efficiently?
Well and good, as the Boys are very energetic, and I hope they didn't dig a hole where they cannot get out? For one, the disappointed Battery and Car manufacturers KRAFT met at the Trade shows, who remember that Kraft might have over-stated his actual position and/or the Patent status of the CHS?
The U of Michigan is supposedly working on the new CHS+ version, which may be harder and longer to arrive at, but which holds the most promise for greatness? I really want to see the CHS+ stuff patented in the next year, where the application will legalize the new product, where no-one can circumvent it! Then, the Provisional patent may stop others from working on the same product, it does not stop those who have an entirely different version than the one CRTG is pushing?
Time is not on our side however, as others more financially able are pushing their version through the USPTO as fast as they can! In the Science sector of products, who doesn't want a higher storage capacity for EV Batteries? It is not only a race for a more quality product, but a race to get their versions out first! IMO...
sdvi. I've chalked-up quite a few worthless P-stocks in my time, and I expect it!
But you act as if they had NOTHING TO WORK WITH? Well, they did at one time, like the KNOTON and MORPHEUS Group! If that is not worth staying around for, then what is?
That CBD stuff that they are dealing in now, is just a waste of time, and with the JUST RELEASED news about it, (Harmful to ingest as it negatively affects the Heart,) there won't be many new Investors or product buyers as there used to be! If there was ever a FAD, that is one of the most !!
I've been telling young people about a Doctor's report released about 4 years ago, how it damages the HUMAN ORGANS, for no smoke product is free of contaminants & harmful Chemistries! I told kids about it at that time, and they just laughed it off, voicing what others have been saying at the time that Marijuana and CBD are safe! One guy was COUGHING as he tried to talk!
While it is easy for us to say BAD things from this end, but Internal matters may, and probably have, prohibited further movement! It is a wait & Hope scenario here, and nothing else for over 97+% of the Penny Stocks listed! Money is always hard to come by, especially nowadays, so while there still might be hope, it is dwindling down every day! IMO
MY post 2107980 is FSPTX, not fpstx..
FPSTX... Not a get rich quick option, but steady growth over the years! This one averages 25+ percent a year!
This Mutual fund buys-in to the Biggies like Microsoft, Apple and Facebook, a couple of which offer dividends and Stock+ splits, not reverse splits! I am very confident this one will do well, but with social conditions being what they are, there are no guarantees whatsoever!!
crtg... Pegs, my hopes were on Co's in the EV field where the CHS+ product could have revolutionized the whole Battery Industry!
Now they have a Co' that is willing to manufacture the stuff, but what struggling Co' would say no to the possibility! Obtaining a new Co' is a major thing these days! But this is for the LED product, and it is still a question if they can use the CHS as described in the NDSU patents?
Why isn't there talk of bringing their(?) CHS into the EV Industry! Remember how many leads they had from the Trade shows... quite a few! To me, anything less than entering the EV Battery field is a big disappointment and probably will lead to nowhere, sorry to say? To me, they aren't talking about, or working on, that 3X increase in the battery capacity? Maybe because they could not verify the authenticity of any real ownership of the CHS product by Crtg. Or it would take too long, and they wanted to keep the Investors interested by working on other facets of the CHS stuff? Who knows? But that is MY OPINION only!! GLTA.
sdvi... Your point is insignificant IMO... Then you say you have been here longer... SO WHAT?
What really is important are the facts! For the longest time, the main focus by the Boys has been on the KNOTON and the MORPHEUS group of products! Remember a couple of years back when they were asking us for more money to conduct testing... and how they were trying to persuade School systems to adopt our KNOTON by offering it for free! That was the main concentration until the money dried up, and that is understandable! Talk about all those other things is just talk for reasons unknown, but did they ever make any inroads in those FAD or up & down patterns those genres had! Silver and Gold are economically dependant, and can change at the snap of the fingers!
This entrance into the CBD area was a big disappointment to many of us, as all that revenue supposedly earned got us nowhere?
Then, what would any reasonable investor bank on... CBD, where hundreds of Co's are struggling to capitalize on its main feature, which is to stop pain, not the anecdotal possibilities it has, as huge testing must be done before any firm conclusions can be made? Then on Silver Mines, etc., etc., etc., all whimsical !!! Again, the most exciting prospect was the TECH products, and nothing else, as the CBD thing has not elevated our PPS level one bit! The Tech things showed much promise to most of us, and still does to some degree? Then, if anyone looked into it, one other Company actually had a signed contract for its impersonalization of the KNOTON! Only one Company is commercially active in that area, with maybe a couple more developing something similar! The KNOTON was relevant then, and it is still relevant now!
All those other ideas mean nothing when so much has gone into the TECH products, that getting into other things that would require much time and Money made no sense at all IMO!!! All the talk was about the KNOTON and the MORPHEUS for as long as I can remember... and then it switched over to talking about the CBD stuff!
Tough in the Penny arena, so Co's are scrambling for ways to make money!!
If SDVI had to pay money for the Nano-101 Co', they would never have gotten into it! We got into it for two reasons, One, it cost us shares only... and two, it had a revenue stream!
SDVI... I do not Invest in FAD stocks at all, in fact I rejected them! CBD, NEVER, Silver Mines, NEVER, etc, etc.,
One of the stocks I Invested in that made it, though I had to exit early, was Nastech Pharmaceuticals, and it took them over 10 years after I exited, to make it big! But made it big they did! My $1,800 dollar invested would have earned me maybe 250,000 dollars give or take, as it reached 23 Dollars, after buying in at 18 cents! Another one I can't recall right now!
But Tech stocks take quite a long time to materialize, so I hold no matter what is going on now! If I lose, it is part of the Game and I am not going to complain!!
sdvi.. As a long time Investor/Gambler? in penny stocks, NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!?
D&Z.. It is hard to fathom the time and money needed for products to be commercialized! Just because nothing has happened for over a year, maybe two, it is not necessarily a sign of collapse? Since they worked hard on producing two excellent products, SDVI cannot be considered a scam!
People who cannot wait it out should NOT Invest money in this Penny field, & should spend their two bucks elsewhere??
HYSR... "Failure" is a better word IMO. "Scam" brings it to the Illegal level, which I don't feel is the proper designation!!
CRTG..
Directly from the USPTO.....
"If the PPA (provisional patent) does not adequately describe all that is claimed in the Later-filed (Non-provisional Patent,) actual Patent App'n, then the material added in in the (N-PA) application may not rely on the PPA filing date!"
What that means to me is that a product may be totally misrepresented in the Original PPA, and that it has to match what the Patent Office sees in the final PA? So, the Boys have to match what they wrote in the first PPA to the final PA! It can be exaggerated in the original Provisional Patent App'n, not functional as intended, or that there are other patents conflicting with the one designated in the written Provisional Patent Appl'n!! As stated below, they only go by the written description given to then, and then examined by someone knowledgeable in the field to see if it makes sense! It just DOES NOT scrutinize the written description AT ALL!!
Other notes...
1) A PPA (Provisional Patent appl'n) will never become a Patent! Though the wording is questionable, it means that it cannot be used as a Patent!
2) The USPTO does not examine (PPA's) (Provisional)..
3) The USPTO does not conduct a prior "ARTS" search on ON PPA's...
4) The Inventor can use (Patent Pending) for the one year period.
Z. That seems to be your opinion only! If you have credible sources for your allegations, let is know?
HYSR.. I don't like projections either, but based on the knowledge and abilities they have at any particular time, they make predictions that cannot be absolutely equation-driven, but only guesswork! And they preface their predictions, usually that is, with reminders that what they say is only relevant with what they know at the time, and that it may be incorrect!
Yes, some Co's may be playing around with our minds somewhat, but all stocks make predictions, Apple and Microsoft included, as one of their goals is to keep the Investors rolling in! Are they ever right time-wise, or ever right about the destiny of the products they develop? No, it is the public analysts and Tech Advisors/Reporters that make many more statements about a Co's future, than Co' officials themselves!
Are those Giants right all the time when they PR something, usually yes when it comes to product development, but no as to the Success %'s of the products and projected timelines for a product to be commercialized, and that is regarding the Biggies among the Stocks?
Any penny stock is often very far off the targets they foresee, as these are Penny stocks we are talking about, which may naturally over-ballyhoo one success among the many failures they experienced? I don't like to so negatively define a Co', as this is serious business, where future Investors might stay away from a stock by what one or two Posters say!
If this is a scam, give me more scams like this one, if it is true with what you say? You seem to have made out pretty good! You ought to talk to the Officers and praise them, not vilify them!
HYSR... You seem to complain after earning 4.2 million dollars? Well what would you call a stock if you were behind 4.2 million dollars in it?
HYSR.. Why do some of you say SCAM? It is inappropriate when it comes to HYSR! Scam means, to me at least, that the Management is doing something illegal or underhanded? They have product, a hard working & experienced CEO, and contracts already on the table!
Yes, this Investment area has its share of real scammers, & I stupidly was drawn into investing in a couple of them, but from what I see, HYSR may have problems yes, as all P-Stocks have problems that some construe as Scam based, but there are many that are legitimate, such as Ge-- and Hysr, but where problems overwhelmed Ge--, who is being run by a decent and Religious young guy who has many licensed Co's producing quarterly Royalties, yet is called many names, one being a SCAMMER!
This Investment area should be called "A Hope and a Prayer" area, where chances are slim to none, and some are handled poorly out of desperation, but cannot be categorized as Scams! Remember, money also plays a part, and if not enough money is present, the Boys or Girls are stopped from proceeding any further? With all the desperation moves having been made, the Investors easily get angry and lose Co' credibility?
I have been with HYSR on and off for maybe 6 years now, and I hope I am right, as there have been many early successes, so we have to give these early bird Co's a lot of time to get through the tough roadblocks facing them? IMO...
Pegs.. Yes, it requires CRTG to do things according to the standards of the USPTO! But there has to be something to test! Since the U' of Michigan is involved in the development, it will probably take a hand in testing it once all the Bugs are worked out?