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Hysr. Yes you should be suspicious? BUT, with all the negatives going on during the developmental stage, it stresses the mind into believing this is just another Bag of crapola, and sell out prematurely! It is true that 99% of sub pennies endure a reverse NEGATIVE CURVE for quite a few years, until one significant event arises, which may then be the time to buy more or just hold tight?
This area is for pure speculators, not for strict Investors! First of all, there is very little to upgrade public interest, so it resides in the very low PPS range for a long time! Then, depending on the product, there is no money to be borrowed except to those CEOs that have an ultimate confidence in their product, where they will borrow at an extremely high payback percentage rate, which too often just makes things worse, as most of the Ceos are incapable of making progressive decisions! But in their haste to keep their Co's alive, they incur more debt when it isn't warranted by the product's value! They just won't let go!!
hysr. Jose, you seem suspicious of everything! If the Loan money was diverted into something other than Business operations, it would be found out, ruining HYSR's chance of obtaining other loans or Investment money!
Good results are expected, and progress will be watched carefully! In order to obtain Investment money, the receiving Co' has to show what it has accomplished so far, and where that money is earmarked! Investors, like us, want to see that money rise many 100 percent, so they just do not throw their money away to anyone who just asks for it? IMO..
sdvi. As I mentioned back when, the volume will always be light because most Investors stay away from the Pennies! Then it seems that sdvi abandoned their PRIZE winning products, to be replaced by that CBD cr--, which like a street kid, often amounts to nothing!
When Investors flood a new product area, like the CBD craze, they are doing it to earn a big buck fast, and forgetting what America was based on, and that is High Tech products!
IMO, the time has past for most CBD'rs, as there are are far more CBD Co's out there already fulfilling the needs of the general public, which are minimal at best!
With the PRIZED products on hand already, sdvi should be able to obtain some funding to keep the ball moving, but internal strife seems to be playing a negative role here, with maybe some personal considerations, like paying the bills, having something to do with it? Wives also have something to say about these things too!
crtg. Well Pegs, the provisional Patent holds the BLUEPRINT for the advanced version of the product, so it will have to be exactly duplicated when they apply for a full Patent! If they decide to go with another version, they will have to go through the same "Provisional" process all over again, that is if they need more developmental time!
If through the help of people like EVONTEK, an advanced version becomes available, then they can apply for a full patent right then and there!
Then they have the U-of-Michigan working on a NEW Chemistry for the CHS, that is my hope at least, so they can, theoretically speaking, develop two different versions of the CHS? If they come up with something new as well, then we can apply for two Patents, one for each version of the product?
But again, this area of Investment is the most difficult one to deal with? There are so many fine products gathering dust somewhere because the competition is often 5 steps ahead of the sub-penny Co's? It is like the old New York Yankees playing a 10 game series with a good Minor league team! After a long series, where the Yankees won 9 of the games easily, the minor league team won 1 game after fighting tooth and nail for nine innings, and edged-out the Yanks due to an error in the Ninth inning! Usually it is the other way around because the minor league team usually makes the most errors!
There is hope though, as the guys at the top are very very energetic, (how can they not be when they work only 7-8 days a month,) so they can often overcome a deficit through sheer determination and energy!!! GL
Pegs. Here is a very important mandate from Evonik Inc.! Here is what every one of their 32,000 employees are trained to keep in mind?
"No product is that perfect that it cannot be improved upon!"
That also shows that CRTG is set on making the CHS better, if that is what they Hired Evonik to do? Also, with a HIGH STAKES product like the CHS+ stuff, crtg must have agreed on a Split Patent percentage if they find that "Better Product"? No Company would agree to the proposition that if they find a better product, they would hand it over to CRTG just for a stipulated fee! And since that year is about up for the Provisional Patent status, anybody could patent it, if there wasn't a strict agreement between the two parties to allow crtg a full ownership of the product?
Just another opinion?
FLA... For you and Pegs sake, I hope this thing explodes, not like Destroys explodes, but makes a nice profit for you!
Since Management is such a critical component however, it seems doubtful that a Salesman can bring it out from the position it is in? A big mouth can only go so far, and it seems that Krafty has already reached the point of personal effectiveness?
I think the Co' had a chance to redeem itself when the NDSU Contract ran out, but in a fit of displeasure at having been rejected by NDSU for revisions and extensions of the contract, he blew his cool and walked away from further negotiations?
But what did Krafty and crtg have to offer to them? Just promises, but nothing else! All he had was a number of Co's who were interested in the CHS, but they either lost patience or saw Krafty for what he really was? An incompetent CEO who was just interested in his own Paychecks, and little else?
Ok 7 day a month CEO, put up or shut up wherever you are! From what I understand, Krafty made lucrative Payment deals with at least 2 other Struggling Penny Co's, and how they are faring would be very interesting to see? IMO..
crtg. Listening to what CEO's say is dangerous? They will always tell you about their "High Hopes," and the exciting sector they are in, but when it comes to problems, they all of a sudden shut up!
I have been "Had" a few times by CEO's, so I listen to nothing they say, which is ALWAYS self-serving! When they provide verifiable proof regarding their advancements, then I will take notice?
Remember, those P-Stock guys are most often SALESMEN who took over a "Business," not the ones who invented their product line for the most part, or started a Business on their own? Great with words, bad in ideas or competing in highly technical fields!
SDVI... Why we are stuck at .0001-2? Our emphasis on that Nano-101 stuff rather than on Tech devices! IMO.
No to Attis.
crtg. Yes Pegs., why the emphasis on LED's all of a sudden? I want to see the new Crtg CHS+ stuff integrated into Batteries before it is too late? But everything depends on the U-of-Michigan Chemistry Department?
I guess that since the LED's are the brainchild of crtg, the Boys can purchase the CHS to use in their systems! But for Batteries that arent ours/Crtg's, Crtg will have to come up with a better version of CHS, before that version can be introduced to Battery manufacturers!
Also, does anyone know how long of a contract Crtg has with the U-of-Michigan? With all the work U-of-mich' is doing, it would be a small miracle to see them much beyond the basic stage of getting things together? But they might have enough of a Chemistry Department to start the CHS developmental process, I don't know? GLTA...
crtg... Pegs. I am more interested in the type of CHS that can apply to Battery storage capacity, not in the LED stuff! They may be able to get somewhere with the LED/CHS prospect, but I am not at all interested in that!! Not at all!
HYSR. Weren't they recently guaranteed a loan of $2.1 millions dollars?
CRTG. Pegs, I wish I could count on Kraft and Crtg, but to date, nothing they have said has materialized yet, though Trial and Error, money, and a lot of time will be needed to find that "Better" product?
I know they are hard at work, with a Really good Science staff at the U-Of-Michigan, but reaching for a product that does more than what the original CHS patent(s) can do, is asking a lot, IMO? The product seems to be rather simple, but good research Chemists will be needed to find the elements and molecules that add to the CHS, not just merely Quantify some elemental inclusions in what the CHS product has, but Qualitatively improve the product in some important way?
I don't know any more than that, but I do know, that perseverance and Love of product, and it seems they have that, could hit pay-dirt in time? Also, what would the boys do if the Co' collapses, something all of them have in mind? Their options are limited, so development of the CHS is of the highest priority, or all of them could be out on the streets?
Looking back when they had the contract with NDSU, the boys were able to convince a number of manufacturers to the value of the CHS product, but ran into wall after wall of roadblocks, where some of them might still exist today even if they had a better CHS Patent?
Testing to the needs of a manufacturer who they might have an agreement with, digging deeper into the pockets of the Investors, being able to re-tool, or make changes to the product, all might come into play again? Hey, the Boys have lost a lot of weight because of the money crunch, so how long can they hold out on the mini-Burgers at Mc's?
Hysr.. Since most Stocks here are slightly less than a gamble, even the most positive ones, it is as good a stock as there is in this Investing area! So, I will buy more stock here and there, but would never spend my last buck on it!
One reason is that the CEO is not one of those Vultures who buy-in on very depressed stocks that seem to be going nowhere, take over the stock through some kind of agreement, then try to "Sell" their way to success? Tim Young has been there every second of the way, and seems to be moving forward all the time, especially lately?
I can understand those who rant against this Stock, but it only makes sense if they had a few bucks tied-up in it! But those Ranters are not even involved, showing to me that they are just naysayers looking for an argument? God almighty, what would they be saying if they had some money in it?
sdvi... My feelings too! I guess it is just a matter of course with most sub-penny stocks? Have you heard of any PR from Azham as to the dissolution of this Co'? That connection with Nano-101 is what destroyed this Company IMO!
SL. As long as people are here to downgrade a stock that has many more positives than Negatives, I will be here to dispel silly notions that mean nothing IMO!
HYSR... So what are the facts if you are so sure of them? You seem to be afraid to list them all! Go ahead list them all so I can send them to the Hysr Office for verification or classified as a SCAM in themselves! Remember, there is the 1,000 hour threshold they past, the energy it produced, (Device,) and other measurements they found?
So, it is either your ideas, or the Company Officials' facts that they outlined in the past few PRs? I would think that most would side with Tim Young and his associates, but who knows?
All the time that has passed with nothing in the Public venue yet! If I was around 9 & 1/2 years ago, I might be pretty upset too! But those who complain generally feel that their timetables should be met, but in the real Technical world, COMPANIES cannot be forced or expected to produce as some Investors expect? IMO.
HYSR Don't tell me I have to learn to read, you are obviously not aware of the many pitfalls and actions in the Sub-Penny market! While some Lie a lot, and I have come across a number of them, it is Survival or Bust for them, but that is not the case with HYSR!!
If they are lying, and it is proven to me, I will be the first to admit to my failure, but as it stands today, I see the frustration with regard to the many years of Research and Development, but cash does not come in at the advent of an idea!!!!
The whole system has to be developed to do what the Device is supposed to do, but the first development has to do with a workable system, which HYSR seems to have by all that is seen and read so far? Then it has to be molded into the practical form, where it discharges the Hydrogen gas into the Fuel Cell system at a fast rate, with the purity of Hydrogen Gas that is necessary for proper breakup into its elemental parts, (A good & constant feed of electrons into the motors) then to have the cost of a fill-up to be either cheaper than the Battery charge-up costs, or at least equivalent to other Car fill-ups!
Then, the whole system will be enlarged to be placed at a public facility, which seems to be where we are at now! Yes, the model we have now seems to be a "TOY" when first looked at, but it is a valid working system, built to be worked on and tested in the Lab! That "TOY" as you call it, is a very sophisticated Scientific instrument beneath the surface! Also in the Lab, they attached the device to a Fuel Cell to see if it worked efficiently, which it did! So don't make groundless accusations when you didn't know the workings of a Fuel Cell driven Car until just recently?
There were no lies, but maybe things that just took longer to complete than they anticipated, but that is normal in Society in general!! IMHO...Good Luck to all holders!
I hope your strategy does well for you BG! I am in it to hit another big winner! I know it takes time, but the guys are about 50% there, if not greater?
With enough Hydrogen filling stations being built,, and the cost of the Hydrogen fill-up being cheaper, more Hydrogen cars will be sold, and more revenues will be forwarded to the registers of HYSR... that is if they get contracts to build some? GLTA
How can you call this Company A SCAM? Come up with illegal activities that would suggest a scam? It is easy to call a Company a scam, but to prove it always escapes their posts! There must be something illegal before such a charge can be made?
Most of the problems and actions HYSR can be attributed to Business activities instead of some evil intent?
There are just too many positives that HYSR have accomplished, that would easily overturn the charge of SCAM! The device was shown, the Patent issued, etc., etc., etc.! Come on now!!!
HYSR. Then why are you making your own measures of the output if there are none produced by the Co'?
sdvi... over 2 years now with that trusted Nano-101 CBD producer, with absolutely nothing for the Investors? When will Azhame see the light and start selling what really has a chance in the Marketplace?
To most Cannabis Investors, SDVI and Nano-101 mean nothing, and will not invest in them until they have a revolutionary product to offer IMO? Right now IMO, the boys seem to be happy with the money in their pockets derived from sales of the Patch CHD, and that is not good for us, who have to have Dynamic leadership if we have any chance of making some money? IMO only
Oh yes, there have been very negative reports about the unhealthy ingredients in the average CBD products, which could cause investigations and damning reports about the stuff? That won't help any of the Producers of the stuff? IMO again..
Pegs1.. You are one of the stabilizing forces on this board and we appreciate your thoughts and efforts! I wish you the best, and wish that I am all wrong so you can make a good buck on this thing?
I guess it would be wise to stay until the Provisional Patent time limit expires to see what CRTG has come up with? It will be put up or shut up time, or they will have no protection whatsoever! Then it is presumed that CRTG with hastily run to the Patent office and apply for a REAL Patent Application on whatever they came up with?
Yes, they have Michigan U helping them with something, maybe enough to award them with a new Patent that will open up the doors for them, but that won't be easy, with maybe 11 other upgraded or improved CHS patents getting in the way! And, the U of Michigan doesn't have forever to work with CRTG, as time limits are usually involved there too!
It will be a struggle, but they have a chance if their new ideas fit the high quality improvements the USPTO demands of its new Patent Appliers?
That is just a personal conclusion you just made on 9/2? All the figures you show are completely misleading and false!
UKS... That kind of action and behavior is normal for Penny Stocks! Before they can sell anything, they have to develop, then perfect, then patent it first! It may not become the end of all Products, but it is a product ready for the next step forward!!
TIM YOUNG and the people at HYSR have something worthwhile in their Hydrogen Producing device, but it isn't quite ready for all the tasks it has to deal with! Sometimes we want instantaneous financial results, but getting to that point is more complex than any of us can imagine? With all that has transpired over the past 9 and 1/2 years or so, it makes no sense to downgrade the positives and focus on one thing, and that is MONEY? After all that time in development and gaining Partnerships, it makes no sense to stop believing now?
But rant if you want, denigrate if you want, and even sell-out if you wish, that is your prerogative!! Good Luck to all the holders...
pergs... maybe in their need to make a buck, Evonik accepted a Provisional Patent? That provisional Patent certainly has the revisions needed to apply for a new CHS Patent Application one day, but that is just guessing?
Yes Pegs, but they intend to place the CHS in Batteries of Electric vehicles! Then they would reap all the proceeds, and give the Patent holder/NDSU nothing? It is not theirs to do that? I asked that same question in a later post?
crtg. Myself, I would like to see them develop and Patent a better version of the CHS product that NDSU has in their hands... locked up and sealed as far as I can see? We don't want lawsuits down the line!! We just cannot use that Patented product without another agreement with NDSU! What am I missing here?
By the way, did I hear it right that CRTG has been granted a monthly loan for Many 1,000s a month! No money, what are they talking about? Then, not enough money to afford C-Space? That deserves an explanation! It would be nice if they clarified that statement for the Investors, but then again, who are we?
Jose, you just don't know what you are talking about! You say HYSR has nothing to do with Hydrogen, what Planet do you come from? You might be on the wrong board somehow? If you don't like the product, don't poison it for others?
There are so many facts that dispute what you believe in? Good Luck..
SDVI... Guys, stop looking at the money angle? Pursue what you already have! What's so hard to put both products on AMAZON and EBAY? Then put a gold Ribbon around one and a Blue Ribbon around the other, and say; "JUST THE BEST"....
Come on, get off that Cannabis nonsense and start the selling process! You can make a deal with both Companies...all you have to do is explain your circumstances and see what they can do??
gers.. OR. I don't understand it either? Since I gave my shares to one of my daughters, the stock seemed to be struggling upwards? Whatever is going on, pray that it will continue... or give away some of your shares? Just joking of course!
HYSR. Of course this area is mostly speculation, and maybe trading for those who know trading...But, this can be a lucrative Investment for those who only have a few Bucks, that is if they choose wisely, and hold on for the long term for those stocks that show promise in every department, or every challenge that faces them! First borrowing money, then good management, then enough resources to go on to the next step!
HYSR has a good place at the right time, where oil is being depleted, where Gas is being produced faster than what is being produced, and where that huge AUTOMOBILE market is about to change over to the best new engine on the market? We are going to compete with Battery Power, but like the Coronavirus, when one lousy Battery fire, some may have happened already, will dampen that present enthusiasm some people have for Electric Battery driven Cars... IMO..
Jose. Yes, this Investment area is for dreamers, not for those more practically minded, but where else can you get "Cheap" hope that serves to enliven the mind?
This area is devastating most of the time, but I know the wait, in a few cases out of 1,000s, will be worth it if you just accept the Negatives here as just normal? Tough place to be, and I am sure the majority of CEOs often feel; "What the hay am I doing here?"
But, one can see potential Blooming stocks over here, where you cannot generally see them in the major marketplaces! You will have a success or two if you stay here long enough and are able to withstand the many negative experiences! But none of us can just hear talking points many CEOs have to keep the Investors in check, and never rush into any one stock until you know for sure it has something? Even then, most of those promising Co's come across too many roadblocks, and fail as a result of Public opinion, financial problems, a lack of a steady employee base that cannot live on stock promises, and other factors too? Good Luck to all...
hysr. The best to you! I was away for a while, so I watched and waited and finally bought a small chunk back?
This is not a sure thing, but with the headlines on TV news this morning, the beginning may be here? I will continue to buy in small increments beginning next month!
It was shown that two (2) hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles were unveiled and are are beginning to take orders as we speak, but I am not sure of course? Both were from the East, and are not prone to gamble, so I believe that they have chosen the most "Advanced" vehicle system in existence and are coming out at a time when the whole Industry is coming together.... and HYSR could be a leader in the storage and distribution area??
The great thing about FC Cars is that Gasoline doesn't have to refined and shipped in! All that is needed is any form of water and Sunlight, and BINGO, Hydrogen is produced! With the coming oil crunch, the newer Green power systems seem made to order!
I saw the charts regarding oil consumption, and more OIL wells are drying up faster than being produced! Their estimate of the scarcity of oil will begin to have a major impact on Automobiles and industry in about 50 years, which is not that far off, and those figures were researched about 7 years ago?
Much like predicting the time when the Sun will lose most of its Hydrogen power production, that OIL timeframe will be 70% accurate at best, but may last longer with the recent discoveries in America? But, when the consumption of Oil/Gas was around the 100s of 1,000s a barrel as day maybe 50+ years ago, Industry and Vehicles may consume 100s of millions of Barrels of oil a Day today, maybe more? In any case, a lot of Oil is being consumed, and is increasing every day, except for the recession values? If that Increase (%) percentage holds true, who knows how fast Oil all over the world will dry up?
sdvi.. Guys at the top of the stairs, please stop emphasizing that CANNABIS cr-- so much! Get down to what you know best, and to me, that means developing tech products! Some may say no, but I sense talent there somewhere!
All the Boys have to do, and that is no easy, is to look 5 to maybe 15 years in advance, and see what may be needed in the ELECTRIC VEHICLE or FUEL CELL VEHICLE genres and get to work now to have enough time to be one of the first to develop and implement a complimentary product?
Yes, it seems to be in a different field that what they are used to, but you just cannot keep developing products where there are many of the same type all over the place?
My Brother the Inventor, now dead and buried, once patented a new oil changing systems for cars! So I looked in Warshawsky's one day, and to my surprise, there were three other Inventions of the same type! I just couldn't tell him, so I just shut up! But, with his occasional trips to Michigan car manufacturers, he still was given a deal like 3G's to start with and so much a percentage on each sale! he thought the products was worth a million or two, so he rejected the proposal! Had I told him about the Warshawsky revelation, he might have settled with that 3g+ manufacturer? Oh well!
As far as sdvi goes, they can sell and make some money with products already on the shelves, but the true big winners have to have something Brand New, though Commercial aggressiveness might well bring in a good number of Dollars selling what one already has, though there are underlying problems preventing that I guess?
crtg. The whole story comes down to the basic question! How can some Co' like CRTG sell a product to Co's when they don't have a patent or permission through a partnership? They cannot say the basic CHS stuff is theirs, and then commercialize it? They have to provide an enhanced version of the CHS product in order to do that! Aren't they getting ahead of the game too much?
Nasd, I think was the symbol? Yes, I owed it for maybe 2 years, but had to exit it because selling it gave me just about EXACTLY what I needed to payoff a bill! What a big mistake!!!
HYSR.. We may never see any revenues from the HYSR stock! like in my other stocks, a few Investors got very angry when our Penny Stock didn't meet their expectations! It is usually a long haul with many more failures than successes! So many negatives face the P-Stock CEO, it is amazing that any of them reach the Patenting phase, let alone the revenue producing stage? Usually Investors must hold for a long time before the positives start rolling in?
It took over 10 years before my Nastech Pharmaceutical stock hit paydirt, and like so many others, I had to exit for personal financial reasons and didn't share in the profits later on! I bought about 3,000 shares at $.18 cents, and it reached $23.00 when I had the guts to check it out so many years later! It wouldn't have made me rich, but it would've been great to win something!
hysr . Boy are you delusional! And a Naysayer to the extreme! If you are in this Stock, which I now question, then you would know what this Co' is all about! But you only see the negatives that are personally contrived in your mind, not what is actually happening! IMO...
Don't you realize that it took 9+ years to get to this point, with unknown millions going into the technology, and that it will take years more before they will see any revenue! That is a general fact in the penny Stock arena, and if you don't know that, go Back to school and learn to understand the facts instead of deriding anything opposing people have to say about this stock!
I see value in what the Boys are doing, and I will not only hold what I have, but add to my position! Very few Co's can say they have a patent and a working model of whatever they are doing, so there you go! HYSR has something and is making incremental strides in bringing it to market!
UK You did not read that post properly! I was trying to expand upon the potential TIM YOUNG has laying in his hands! I supposed that in the future a system of self generating Hydrogen can be a part of the Car, and not have to worry about saying; "Fill it up" Attendant, as help will probably be needed to fill the tank up! HYSR has a small device now and I wondered if it can be modified somewhat to having that "Hydrogen Production" potential on board the Vehicle instead of going to Hydrogen fill-up stations all the time?
Not that it is practical now, but maybe it will be sometime in the future?