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If my memory is correct the first trigger to the OSC was the accounting complaint from PWC and KPMG in a letter submitted to the OSC on September 29. If you also recall Petar had a visit from the RCMP on November 6. At that point the OSC and shortly there after the SEC we very involved and their investigation intensified after the interviews with Petar and Andrew DeVries. So much for the conspiracy theory. This got started because of the false PR's about who was doing the audit.
JMHO
Binzur
Would 332 million shares in the first 10 minutes of trading constitute a DUMP? LOL! Did any one doubt that the dump machine would be in full gear today after the news!
Binzur
Marketmann; You are absolutely correct. If that was posted on this board the moderators would have immediately removed the post as a violation of the TOU, specifically a personal attack!
Binzur
Airys please answer a simple question. In the PR it states;
"SLJB (PINKSHEETS: SLJB) today announced that it began a "seek and destroy" mission on all individuals and/or the organizations they either directly or indirectly represent tied to slanderous media campaigns and internet blog-site defamations. A spokesperson for the company said today the SLJB has had its first success in dealing with one of these scandalous persons and are now in the position of collecting damages tied to the outcome of the legal proceedings which followed the identification of the guilty party through the discovery of their IP (internet protocol) address that they utilized to post their unsupported and slanderous attacks on both business and personal issues involving the company.
SLJB is not a party in the Kathleen Jacobs suit. It is a civil suit between Petar V and Kathleen J. Is this another false claim in another PR from this company? How can SLJB collect damages in a civil suit that SLJB isn't a plaintiff in? I am shocked that they seem to have issued another false PR!!! Case #07-CV8692CM Petar Vucicevich Plaintiff v Kathleen Jacobs defendant! No mention of SLJB!!!
Am I missing something? Please explain!
JMHO
Binzur
I remember reading awhile back where there was someone with Consultech in Detroit that was authorized to issue PR's on behalf of the company through Market Wire. Anyone else remember this? That person would "have a specific "password" or code".
Binzur
I have not stated that the stock certificate is "fake". I have stated that the Government of Ontario requires the exact name of the corporation to be on the stock cert. I have stated and shown the exact name of the Lumber yard incorporated in Ontario in 1987 is Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd. See my post #259165.
Now reading another post there has been a name change. This did not show up on the November D & B which again clearly states the name of the lumber business as Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd. This did not show up in the December business search either.
IMHO that stock certificate does not transfer ownership of Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd (Ontario) to Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd (Nevada). I provided the information and in the end all here need to view all information and make their own decisions!
GLTY
Binzur
There are posters here who have me blocked on their PM's. Some just recently posted! I can understand why you may have me blocked but I can't respond off line to your questions and I will not respond and clutter this board. Posts that call other posters names, contain vulgarity whether **'d out or not, posts that are off topic, posts that reply to deleted posts, posts that include personal attacks are deleted per the IHUB moderators handbook. If you object to any post being deleted you can contact Matt. If you object to a post that has not been deleted and you think it should file a TOU complain which is at the bottom of every post. Matt will review the post and make his decision.
Binzur
So Airys are you now saying that this fantastic company you continue to do the PR work for doesn't even know its own name! Been in business since 1987 and it doesn't even know its own name! That is hilarious! This explains the two name change amendments in July. You remember when they changed Loftwerks, Inc to Sulja Bros Building Products, Ltd and then the next day had to correct that name again to Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd!
So Airys, are you providing more proof of even another Sulja company? I can prove that no company named Sulja Building Supplies Ltd has ever incorporated in Ontario or Nevada. None exist!
The official corporate name must be on the stock certificate! The official corporate number and name in Ontario is;
CORPORATION DOCUMENT LIST
Ontario Corporation Number 701284
Corporation Name SULJA BROS BUILDING SUPPLIES LTD.
JMHO
Binzur
Wrong again Hockmir on many counts.
"who have the power to inspect records that normal people can't get to"
Are you stating that Airys and Scorpio are abnormal?
"And then that it takes the great intellectual gifts of your PI to read the maker mark off of the front of the paper."
It was my "great intellectual gift" that located all of the information and provided it to the investigator. It is their job to find out when the incorrect book was ordered, who ordered it and who paid for it! That takes more power than I have.
Finally I stated they have been "allerted" to this information. The OSC or RCMP may have known this already or not. Neither you or I have that information. I have simply allerted them to it in case they didn't have that information.
My last post on this subject! Have a great day! JMHO
Binzur
Hockmir; Please show me anywhere that I stated anything of the kind! These are your conclusions dreamed up somewhere in that tall hat of yours. I have never made such statements. Prove it or stop it!
TIA
Binzur
Hockmir, please do not put your words in my mouth, that is clearly your opinion! I stated no such thing! Now it is possible that the OSC never saw the same book and stock cert that Airys saw! You just never know. Have a great day!
JMHO
Binzur
They have now been allerted to this incorrect corporate stock certificate. That I can assure you. Do you think the OSC sits around and monitors boards like this? Thanks to Scorpio and Airys we now have copies of that incorrect stock cert. Way to go guys! Here I didn't think you would bring back anything of value!
Binzur
I should also tell you that I am forwarding this information to the OSC investigator as well as the RCMP. I guess they would have to be included in the "we" as well.
Binzur
We as in myself and a Private Investigator. That would be the we that I am refering to.
Thanks for asking!
Binzur
Posted by Airys;
Trip to (SLJB) Sulja Brothers Building Supplies - April 10, 2007
"While we were there, we sat down and went over the entire Sulja Building Supplies Ltd minute book, which clearly shows that Sulja Building Supplies Ltd (Canada) is owned 100% by Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd Nevada, just like I've been saying to you all along. It was a great relief to see it with our own eyes."
Canadian Law;
"Contents of share certificate
56. (1) There shall be stated on the face of each share certificate issued by a corporation,
(a) the name of the corporation;
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/90b16_e.htm#BK65
From Canada; Official company name and corporate number is;
Page: 1
CORPORATION DOCUMENT LIST
Ontario Corporation Number 701284
Corporation Name SULJA BROS BUILDING SUPPLIES LTD.
The first thing I noticed when I saw the stock cert was the wrong company name! First thing! I do not believe it was by accident that YOU posted you viewed the minute book of Sulja Building Supplies Ltd. in your report! It doesn't surprise me that Sulja Nevada owns 100% of Sulja Building Supplies Ltd as that company more than likely doesn't exist so once again 100% of nothing is nothing! Had I been there I would have immediately told them that this isn't the name of the Canadian Corp. Again, it was the first thing I noticed on the stock cert that was provided to Airys!
Had that been my company book I would have sent it back and told the manufacturer that they had the wrong name on the book and the stock certs and it needed to be replaced with the correct information. Unless of coarse that is the way I wanted it to read! Looking at the order form below the person ordering actually enters the company information. I can have a corporate book, seal and stock certs for any company (real or imagined), I want, even if the company doesn't exist. I called the manufacturer and they do not "validate" the company that orders the supplies. I can order for any entity I want and if I make the mistake in information it is my problem, if they make the mistake in manufacturing the product they 100% guarantee the product and will replace it with the correct information free of charge!
Finally we know who manufactured the corporate book and are working to find out just when that book was ordered and purchased and who ordered it. More to follow!
http://www.dyedurham.ca/
http://www.dyedurham.ca/index.php?option=com_staticxt&Itemid=237
JMHO
Binzur
Absolutely! Plans are going well! I will make sure to take plenty of pictures for you.
Binzur
Airys; What you provided was an inaccurately completed stock certificate for 100 shares of stock. I highly doubt that they only issued 100 shares of stock in the private company. As I stated before I have been in construction for over 30 years. I also own my private company. Many here do not realize that even a private corporation issues stock. In my company there have been 100,000 A/S and 1,000 shares issued to myself as the sole owner.
I have someone digging into the corporate filings of Sulja Ontario's private company. We will find out how many shares of stock have been issued in the private Ontario company. Per D & B we know the percentages of ownership of each person, just not how many shares that percentage represents. It would have been nice to see the cancelled certificates of each owner listed below. Without this your claim of 100 % ownership hasn't even come close to being proven!!!!! Who is "Sulja Building Supplies, Ltd"??
D & B in post #236782 current as of 11-01-2006
HISTORY
Corporation registered ON law 03-13-1987. Business commenced
02-1987 as Sulja Bros Building Supplies Ltd.
Sulja, John, Pres, director. Holds 25% interest. Active with
subject since 1987. In current position since 1987.
Sulja, Steven, Sec-Treas. Holds 12% interest. Active with subject
since 1987. In current position since 1987.
Sulja Jr, John, V Pres. Holds 12% interest. Active with subject
since 1987. In current position since 1987.
Sulja, Kathy, director. Holds 25% interest. Active with subject
since 1987. In current position since 1987.
Sulja, Andy, director. Holds 12% interest. In current position
since 2002.
Sulja, Sam, director. Holds 12% interest. In current position
since 2002.
The tough questions that needed to be asked were how many shares of stock had been issued in the private Sulja Ontario and also to view the cancelled certs of all of the other owners above. That is the way you prove something, not by bringing an incorrect stock certificate!
Big deal about reducing the A/S from 800 mil to 725 mil! That can be changed any time they want! Here is the link to all of the changes in share structure of Sulja Nevada, formerly Loftwerks!
https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/corpActions.aspx?lx8nvq=3jTAXTqYdC80kvn1T3%252fB8Q%253d%253d&CorpName=SULJA+BROS.+BUILDING+SUPPLIES%2c+LTD.
Here is the false information provided about the share structure of Sulja Nevada in case you have forgotten dated 8-22-06! By December there were 609,230,500 O/S with none restricted! Over 600 mil in the public float. That is an increase in the public float of 471,230,500 in 4 months! A 341% increase in the public float!
http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/popups/story.jsp
"CEO Steve Sulja stated: "The current outstanding shares are 500 million. There are 362 million shares held by insiders. Of the 362 million insider shares, 162 million are restricted. There are 138 million shares in the public float. The number of inside owners, of 10% of common class shares, decreased after the reverse merger. The increase of outstanding shares from 200 million to 500 million excluded holders of 20 to 50 million shares from insider status. Basically, three insiders with 40 million shares from the open market did not meet the 10% of class rule; therefore, they are no longer considered insiders.""
Binzur
Click on the link below and scroll to the bottom of that page and all the links to the nominee trading accounts are there. Click on which ever on you like. I would recommend the Prenab Shah accounts if you are looking for examples of stock fraud and price and volume manipulation. That account has a bunch of buying of LFWK and SLJB as well as 34 million shares journaled in for sale. You should also view the ton of wire transfers. I bet the OSC, by now, has found out where most of the money was getting transferred too and who was benefitting. JMHO!
Binzur
http://starspennyscamarchive.110mb.com/blackpeteaccount.html
Nice post and a reasonable possibility, Here is a post of mine from a few days ago.
Posted by: binzur
In reply to: TheFraudStopper who wrote msg# 257837 Date:4/2/2007 7:32:19 PM
Post #of 258550
Wouldn't you think that an accounting firm who has just been censured would be on their best behavior here? With the SEC and OSC involved I would make darn sure I did a complete, thorough and accurate job. That having been said the PR really does not address just what they have been "appointed" to do! Time will tell.
Binzur
Your posts are excellent. I guess I didn't realize that calling people "the two biggest pumpers and promoters of SLJB" was a personal attack! LOL! Is there anyone in the tree house or here that doesn't rank them #1 and #2 pro SLJB?
On the flip side I have been called a criminal, paid basher and the like. I certainly am not #1 or #2 on that list and if you go back through my posts I have always tried to be respectful and as factual as I can be. Those to me are definitely personal attacks and totally false!
Hey HOG maybe you and I can go there! I will let you know when my trip is and maybe we can hook up! Anyone got a problem with that?
Have a Happy Easter!
Binzur
So I should talk to the lumber yard supervisor Dave? I remember someone talked to the counter sales girl and the longs were praising this with good DD! I posted at that time that she was the sales counter girl at a little lumber yard and how ridiculous every longs reaction was to this quality DD! Like she knew anything about the contracts, false PR's, Mideast business! That is just plain laughable.
So I will be finalizing my trip and do my own DD as I have done in the past! Good luck to you!
Binzur
Wrong! I don't have any interest in "talking" to anyone. I spoke to the CEO of a company I was invested in. Many other IHUB posters were stating they had spoke with **. I got fed up with it and made a call. Actually got called back and spoke with him twice. I relayed the information like many others had. All the items he "told" me and others have turned out to be total and complete lies! I and many others were used by the CEO to assist in his fraud. Sound familiar. That stock is now trading no bid at .0001. Calling the company is the worst form of DD there is. Why is Leslie violating the instructions of the companies attorneys? Read the January PR again.
The only reason to go is to "view" documents and proof, not "hear" their story. That has already been relayed by you and Airys and anyone else who have stated they talked to Leslie or the company. I want to see proof! That should be the only reason anyone goes and meets with the company!
I appreciated your offer but really know nothing about you except that you have the ear of Leslie. I have an offer, not yours, that I am working on finalizing from someone I completely trust. That is the route I will go now that Airys declined my offer.
Nothing more sinister than that. I want answers and proof! That is my only purpose!
Have a Happy Easter!
Binzur
I noticed the date you set up this "identity" and your first post is to me! I bet you have read a lot from September of 2006 til now.
I have no expectation of getting "unfettered access". As a matter of fact going on my own would be a waste of time as the company will not share with me what they will with Airys. I have had three offers from people to go to Windsor. I had one very active former poster wanting to set me up on a date with a MOOSE! Actually not much of a date as an OUCH! LOL!
I had one very interesting offer and I am strongly considering taking the person up on the offer. That could really prove to be well worth my while. If I go there, there would be only one group that could benefit and they are the ones blasting me! They are the ones that do not want me there! Why would anyone who is holding shares of this company NOT want me there? If you think about it I come back and say the same things that I have been saying and they can discount it as I am a basher....paid basher....blah blah blah. But what if I came back and reported to this board that I actually saw proof that Sulja Nevada has some stock ownership of Sulja Ontario! What if I came back and reported to this board that I saw a completed cement contract! The only possible outcome is positive for the people who own shares. Of coarse then I would get beat up by the bashers and be called a pumper and LOL! What a crazy world!
Have a Happy Easter!
Binzur
First, I do own shares so that answers yours and nh's question.
After reading all of your posts there is clearly nothing I can write or say that will get through to you so I won't even bother. Your posts and your position are what make no sense.
Good Luck to you and have a Happy Easter!
Binzur
The point that you are missing is third party authentication. I can go there and I am sure they are going to show me documents! RIGHT! Now if Airys is going to bring back documents and PROOF then good for him. We haven't seen any proof to date!
You go back and read the garbage in the tree house, I am sure you already have.
Good luck!
Binzur
ATTENTION BOARD!!! I have freed up my calendar next week and will offer to join Airys in Windsor. I feel it would add a great deal of credibility to any information if "both sides" were reporting back to this board. I have been accused of being that famous basher from the other board, back in November (never posted on any other site but IHUB).
I will not accept any money and will pay for my ENTIRE trip myself. Wouldn't it be better to have someone other than the two biggest pumpers and promoters of SLJB there? I will ask the tough questions and having been in my own business for 32 years (construction) I am more than qualified to view contracts, stock transfers, and any other document the company will allow us to see. If I need to, I will bring my own translator who is fluent in ME dialects.
What say you Airys?
Binzur
eliaman; This is real simple. If, as Airys says, SLJB owns 100% of Sulja Ontario then the company can and should PR this fact. The last PR stated "Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd. (Nevada) (PINKSHEETS: SLJB) today announced that The Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) has commenced an enforcement proceed against the Company, the Company's affiliate Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. (Ontario)."
This PR was totally reviewed by the attorneys and no where anywhere has it ever been proven that SLJB owns 100% or for that matter any % of Sulja Ontario. It has been proven that no merger ever took place between Loftwerks, Inc and Sulja Ontario. It doesn't take Airys and Scorpio going up there as the biggest pumpers and cheerleaders of the company to provide this vital information. It takes the company providing this vital information via PR to all investors.
Binzur
These companies were suppose to have been MERGED last summer! MERGED! Never happened. You have posted today that Sulja Nevada owns 100% of Sulja Ontario. Your post!!!! You again have stated that you possess inside non public company information!
Posted by: Airys418
In reply to: DownWithPumpers who wrote msg# 257961 Date:4/3/2007 10:59:26 AM
Post #of 258025
Sulja Nevada owns 100% of Sulja Ontario.
PROVE IT OR RETRACT IT!!!!!!
Actually your post was excellant. Ramble on!
Binzur
We stated waltczyk. The lawyers reviewed the entire wording of the last PR and stated again "the Company's affiliate Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. (Ontario).
Airys are you looking for the proof that no merger ever took place between Loftwerks, Inc. and Sulja Ontario? I certainly can provide it, but then you know this as I have provided it to you before.
Binzur
Big difference between "the Company's affiliate Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. (Ontario)" and 100% wholely owned! You are wrong here and can provide absolutely no proof of any kind as to what if any percentage of ownership Sulja Nevada has in Sulja Ontario. Absolutely no proof what so ever that this has taken place.
I have proven that no merger ever took place between Loftwerks, Inc. and Sulja Nevada.
Binzur
Wouldn't you think that an accounting firm who has just been censured would be on their best behavior here? With the SEC and OSC involved I would make darn sure I did a complete, thorough and accurate job. That having been said the PR really does not address just what they have been "appointed" to do! Time will tell.
Binzur
How is that going to happen. Even the longs aren't buying any today. The volume has been mirror trades so really there has been a whopping $7000 invested in this today! Where are all the confident buyers, the true believers. They sure aren't putting their money behind their posts! Must be some huge PR coming for all of this lack of buying. NOT!
JMHO
Binzur
It is in the IBOX.
The Nevada Agency and Trust Company
50 West Liberty Street, Suite 880
Reno, Nevada 89501
Telephone (775) 322-0626
Fax (775) 322-5623
E-Mail: info@natco.org
Transfer Agent:
The Nevada Agency and Trust Company
Reno,Nevada Web: http://www.natco.org/
ragz; here are the financials. You are commenting that you haven't seen them so this should help you comment more on fact and less with speculation. You are a quality poster and I look forward to your analysis.
Binzur
http://www.inonespot.com/ihub/financials06.pdf
You had posted a 504 filing that was for Loftworks (or that is what I remember). I felt that was to show that the company could have sold shares on the open market. That was part of why I responded. I will look back in your posts to find that information. BTW I also appreciate your research and quest for information.
Binzur
Seems we need a refresher on how to post on this board!
Posted by: janniebgood
In reply to: None Date:3/29/2007 10:18:16 AM
Post #of 257114
Good morning! As to the posts that have been deleted this morning, both from pro and anti-SLJB posters, it is because of the content not being on topic; that is, it's not specifically about the company nor the stock, but rather about each other.
May I remind you once more that the topic of this board is the company and the stock, not other posters. Posts asking why other posts are deleted will also be deleted. Usually we will reply with a PM informing you why. If you wish to complain about your posts being deleted, please PM Matt in ADMIN.
Thanks for posting within the TOS/TOU guidelines.
Have a great day!
You must need glasses! "25. Vucicevich further explained that the Canadian and U.S. operations of Kore are involved with Sulja Bros. to oversee the expansion of Sulja Bros. and that Kore U.S. "[... ]at this point, they're controlling 280 million shares" (pp. 13 and 27 of Exhibit 12)."
Seems we need a refresher on how to post on this board!
Posted by: janniebgood
In reply to: None Date:3/29/2007 10:18:16 AM
Post #of 257114
Good morning! As to the posts that have been deleted this morning, both from pro and anti-SLJB posters, it is because of the content not being on topic; that is, it's not specifically about the company nor the stock, but rather about each other.
May I remind you once more that the topic of this board is the company and the stock, not other posters. Posts asking why other posts are deleted will also be deleted. Usually we will reply with a PM informing you why. If you wish to complain about your posts being deleted, please PM Matt in ADMIN.
Thanks for posting within the TOS/TOU guidelines.
Have a great day!
Ask is .0095 and the bid is .0075.
Binzur