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RedFox7,
You know , I can't think of the learned experience here .
The ONLY warning indicator with this stock was fisty (the obsessed compulsive) and a few pathetic bashers .
Any genuine opinion offered from these jerks was tainted with stpd fking basher attitude easily mis-read as stpd fking basher attitude .
Too bad they don't know how to be humble to their fellow humans .
EVERYTHING; CEO assurances , news , surrounding cast , BB's PR'ed , visible progress , actual telecasting and recognition by their peers and industry , continual adding of personel to fill demand of production , consistant buying volume , even the G-Olympic centerpiece , and all of the rest .
If a person is going to invest , this had ALL of the buy indicators . The only thing lacking was indice approval and THAT was supposed to be in the works .
Member the AMEX "dream" .
Nup , the only thing this has done to season a investor is make them leary of their own kids .
Just talked to ,
Stewart Dryfus , California Department of Corporations .
I gave him a brief rundown of our/TMM/QBID history .
He was open and interested in the story . He ran a brief scan and just breathed deeply .
I asked if I can/should inform other investors to contact them and he said "Absolutely !" They would like to know more about this kind of operation . And the more investors that respond the better to start an action . He suggested including your investment history with any remarks .
I am not going to try to give the WHOLE story in my complaint so , forward what you have .
Thanx .
So , here is their web site;
http://www.corp.ca.gov
~ Scroll down the left side and under the Securities Regulation Division scroll down to "complaints" and let them know about our little boatride .
If you want to wait for a voice to talk to; (866) 275-2677
Phuc all the posters that make you feel stupid . Lets turn them into cellmates .
PS; I'm so sick of jackass's on these MB's yapping their traps .
I'm dying to hear/see them tell me shat NOW . Here comes a REAL investigation .
As I said in Msg. 145192 , intimidating posters are here just to keep you shut down . I expect we've seen the last of fisty or any other scamster after this post .
take care
Let me put it this way , anytime you see a stock increase the O/S while claiming to be lowering it , you got trouble .
End of story !
Hi BruisedP ,
Just passing by . Too bad your humilty isn't contagious .
It looks like you and I are the only rubes here .
GO Rubes !!!!!!!
I'll quickly share what I thought was a hilarious moment .
I have been staying at a RV beach resort for a couple months , and the other night I quite surprisingly found myself sitting around a camp fire popping brews with a couple self proclaimed stock gurus ;)
As the discussion wore on it was obvious they were VERY taken with themselves . I happened to mention , " Well , this is kinda cool , a stock broker , a gold and precious metals player , and a small investor (me) sitting here exchanging ideas ."
Note; I was halfassed kidding because these two guys barely had a grasp of day to day market trading and the nuances of companies that flew under the SEC radar .
Infact they severly scolded me for wanting SEC intervention in the pinks . Idiots !
I was sitting there relaxed and not really caring much one way or the other how the convo was going because they both clearly exposed their inept understandings , tho both were "profesional" and had (poor fugging) "clients" , that have never seen greater than a 6-8% annual return .
Truth be told , they don't have a fking clue what they're talking about outside (brokerage suggested) mutual funds .
Annnnyway , after a minute this one twit tells me (straight faced) "What a moron , day trading , you don't know shit!"
The fun starts right about here;
[Bare in mind , I'm 6'0" and 210lbs , surf regularly , and have 5 years of martial (Kempo) arts background , and this guy is 5'8" and 150lbs (constipated) .
I look up (he's standing) and I say to the guy sitting next to me , "Did he just call me a "moron" ?"
The "twit" looks around (with UH OH in his eyes) and says (realizing he's not at the moment sitting in front of his PC and is acting like the stupid pompous ass he's used to being online) , "I'd better go now !" and beats feet the hell out of there like he saw a ghost .
I couldn't help but laugh my ass off . Not many funnier sights that day .
So , even when I'm away from the fray , there'll always be someone to remind me of my moronage mentality . Even at theirown peril . Whatahoot .
Take care my friend ,
Rich ,
Please forgive any thought of me attacking you , or supplying false info . I DID supply a link .
I tried to download your link and wasn't able to get it to play .
I hope CDHT goes up up up .
I just don't see the fundamentals available .
I hope you have uncovered the next pink explosion .
"Howard the CEO plans on getting on NASDAQ!!"
I remember well , Frank the CEO planning (dreaming) on getting on the AMEX .
Good luck Rich .
Pinkland=
P is for Print money
.I is for Increase O/S on a regular basis
N is for Never show numbers
K is for Kick your shareholders ass
L is for Leave em laying where they fall
A is for Always make PR's openended
N is for Nonsense will keep em guessing
D is for DON'T GET CAUGHT
The shame , as is well known is , THIS could've been the flagship for pinks to be more than the above cheer .
Happy 4th ,,,, lata
CDHT.pk
I'll tiptoe in here (out of shear boredom) and mention what IMO makes fundamentals and basic DD . I say "basic" because if a person gets past this crap , there'd better be some serious upside DD to consider somewhere;
~ 10 "employees" . {Manning the phones I guess}
~ 550mil O/S .
~ $600k cash .
~ $48+mil MC .
~ Insider selling (see below) .
~ No web site .
~ http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=CHDT.OB .
~ A bizzarre/unrelated conglomeration of product and services .
Yeah somebody is going to ride this (CDHT)one (at all time highs) UP !
You know , after QBID I have lost my perspective . I used to think this kind of interpritation of a stock was a solid and viable way to score investor value .
Watch this POS hit $.50 !
I have gone back to what I know and am making money just fine .
FTR; I am only out $5000 of MY money . The ride up and down was a better fking than my last trollup .
The battles I waged here and on other MB's were about right and wrong , and for investors that took a bigger hurt .
IMO , CDHT.pk (like MANY others) is a clone of QBID's footprint . Print money !
~*~ Have a happy and fun 4th everyone , and let's remember that we live in the greatest country in the world because we fought/fight for freedom and against tyranny/oppression ~*~
9-Jun-06 ULLMAN, HELEN TRUST
500,000 Direct Planned Sale $26,0001
9-Jun-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 700,000 Direct Sale at $0.069 per share. $48,300
24-May-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 2,100,000 Direct Private Sale at $0.039 - $0.046 per share. $89,0002
18-May-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 2,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $100,0001
15-May-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 5,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $360,0001
18-Apr-06 FISHER, BART S
Shareholder 2,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $56,0001
13-Mar-06 MARAGH, ANDREA
200,000 Direct Planned Sale $6,0001
10-Mar-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 1,000,000 Direct Sale at $0.03 per share. $30,000
1-Mar-06 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 1,000,000 Direct Sale at $0.0245 per share. $24,500
21-Feb-06 LAMADRID, LORENZO CESAR
Director 15,000 Direct Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $1 per share. $15,000
21-Feb-06 HOLTZ, LAURIE
Director 5,000 Direct Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $1 per share. $5,000
14-Feb-06 ULLMAN, RICHARD
Chief Executive Officer 4,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $120,0001
27-Jan-06 DATO, WILLIAM
President 628,000 Direct Statement of Ownership N/A
29-Dec-05 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 7,222,221 Direct Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $0.018 per share. $129,999
30-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 240,000 Direct Sale at $0.04 - $0.045 per share. $10,0002
29-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 120,000 Direct Sale at $0.043 - $0.045 per share. $5,2802
28-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 185,210 Direct Sale at $0.052 - $0.061 per share. $10,0002
27-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 140,000 Direct Sale at $0.041 - $0.042 per share. $5,8102
26-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 90,000 Direct Sale at $0.06 - $0.067 per share. $5,7152
19-Sep-05 SCHMITT, BERNARD
2,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $70,0001
13-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 480,000 Direct Sale at $0.03 - $0.04 per share. N/A
9-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
Beneficial Owner (10% or more) 460,000 Direct Sale at $0.03 - $0.04 per share. N/A
9-Sep-05 FISHER, BART S
3,000,000 Direct Planned Sale $108,0001
6-Sep-05 ULLMAN, HOWARD
Chief Executive Officer 6,250,000 Direct Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $0.015 per share. $93,750
*** If you have read this far , I have looked , and they didn't even mention the KITCHEN SINK !!!!
Good Grief Redfisher ,
"......i think the shareholders need to know if you were worth more than the elephant or the houseboy....how much of our money did YOU GET ???"
~ How rude can you be ?
Dude , control yourself !
I will apologize for that ridiculous remark . Sorry
Do you think if these guys got any/enough serious money they'd be hanging around HERE .
Come on man , you're just making waves . It's obvious they don't know their way around stocks and MB's and investing , and are just (in their own way) trying to add their angle .
So IMO , you're barking up a sensitive tree .
I agree , that a forensic audit surely would/will show some interesting money funnels .
I have no problem what someone with a legitamate job/function receives for pay . The more the better (if they can get it) providing it's not absurd . In that industry $10-20->g's a month is easily doable . WTF; That's only $120 to $300g's a year . Inexpensive on many levels .
And I won't play a violin if it doesn't/didn't last forever either .
The way a new entertainment co. evolves from scratch shouldn't be expected to be a retirement program when coming on board .
It was neat to catch some of the community they enjoyed , and that they had a blast breaking new ground and pioneering their way to be another creation . Very cool chance for them , and I DO feel bad for their loss of anticipation and success .
FTR; Tho I've had my tiffs with a few exy's here .
It was/is for the most part about their popping off at a bad time . Bad judgement IMO .
And their arrogance and indifference when asked to hold off surely drew some lines in MY sand . Especially on shareholder turf .
If one would turn it around for just a second , I wonder how I would be received insisting on saying and doing damaging things in THEIR meetings ?
[Note; Since things have settled some , and the company has turned , CFlynn seems to have tried to find a M.O. that will work for him . It's seems some of the others have a ways to go to find a way to maintain their dignity . And I'm sure they will]
Anyway , I thought I'd say what I think .
Hopefully it is read in the spirit inwhich it was written .
lata
BP
I will gladly use one of my precious "15" posts here to say THANK YOU so much for the kind words .
With all the ,, ; ./~~~ ___- ??!? = ;
[I'm trying to think of a word for what we have endured here and in our portfolios]
I try to express common sense , fun , encouragement and backbone .
What we need is a shareholder and employee costume party .
Everyone could go dressed as Frank !
On we goooooooooo
Thanks for frontier the link dj .
I DID read that a couple days ago .
I have no clue why Jack is making that article something to associate with me .
It was a great article that created a readible timeline for all to ponder .
Take care ,
MB Mod ,
I tried to delete that last one myself but you beat me to it .
Thanks
Just passing by and saw , , ,
, , , Jack E ranting again .
Looks like a serious need for a med adjustment .
To answer you Jack , I have not read "frontier" whatever that is .
Give me a link and I'll take a look .
Yesterday you said very indignantly that I am not part of your life or some such drivel . And today you're all about me .
Look Nancy Drew , you're investigative skills are on a par with your powers of deduction . You should stick with what you know .
Hmmmmmmmmm and that was ?
FTR And to try to keep you from blowing out a ball; I am just your average ordinary investor trying to make sense of this like any other outsider .
My beef with you is you think it's jim dandy to shoot your mouth off (BTW the damage is already done ,, feel good? or stupid) whether it's destructive or not to others interests . Yet you jump a fence to fight someone else doing the exact same thing .
Lobo lets you cuss , belittle , pick fights , call people names , stay off topic , all those little TOS things that everyone else gets hammered for .
You might have him buffaloed , but not me Nancy .
I read that you claim 25 years of being in the entertainment industry . Is that counting the last two ?
I assume you are including singing along with the car radio . And I suppose selling popcorn at a Regal Theatre counts for something .
Well , for all intents and purposes I hope you and the Hardy Boys get to the bottom of this .
Although I'm sure you'll have your fat rear end plopped firmly infront of every investor if money is found .
maka ,
I know the drill here .
And quite honestly , my posts don't have to stay on the menu .
I am as pleased as can be that Jack E came on tonight to give me a good dose of his nonsense .
I'm walking away unbruised and knowing the guy got my point in spades . That's all I wanted . To let him know that his rant about stock up's posting harming Edwards Co. was TOTAL hypocracy coming from HIM .
The rest here just continue to swim in their own mire .
I've never been on the iHub SMMW MB . I'll check it out .
I still hold a fair SMMW position but am not inspired to wade into the MB scene .
Thanks for the words .
BTW; Better watch out , you'll get deleted for a posting style others here do day in and day out . It's Ok to attack IF you're on the right team . YOU'll be told "It's not healthy to for shareholders (and ex-emp's) to fight . But NO ONE else will be taken to task for CONSTANT cheap shots .
The way it is amigo .
Duck !
* Oooops , just found out I've written my "maximum amount of posts" for the day .
So , I'll tell illy from here (ironically) that you and profit are so pathetically similar in your pathetic styles of whiny posts that it's only natural to think you're from the same sperm donor .
I am hoping to see ya soon illy .
Coffee's on YOU .
profit and all ,
"InAnotherLife, you are not off to a very good start are ya?"
~ Actually , I couldn't have asked for ANY better .
I said what I came here to say , and Jack E rose (popped up like a jack in the box) to the occasion and got my point .
I don't expect much from him . Not much there really .
And you got what you needed . To pile on and take cheap shots and advantage . Your M.O.
BTW ; What was the point of your budinski posts ?
Like iseprt , not much to your posts really , just want to be noticed . Sad really .
Enough entertainment for now .
..... .. .... ... ..............................
itseprit & lobo ,
The "paids" I was refering to in that post was PUMPERS .
If you are able to read IN context , I was saying that when I critisized Frank along the way I was attacked by THE PAIDS .
It's a wonder you bother guy .
Welp , yall did good . I came here to challege Jack E for his little rant about people posting on message boards that hurt other people , and it has once again turned into personal attacks from every angle . What a nice bunch .
Lobo , go back and read Jack E's attacks and name calling and ridiculing and sexual smack tonight and tell me that is inline .
You said;
"Fighting is not healthy for any of us.
We as investors and ex-employees should work together, not bicker. We were all wronged by the same people. Why do you have such a hatred for Jack E, he has done nothing wrong in my opinion."
~ Why in the hell don't you EVER tell the little gang bangers here that ?!!! Nope . Just need to remind me . I post one post that is MY opinion and get pounded by 4-5 posters and your going to delete ME and remind ME about fighting .
What a bunch .
itseprit ,
The "paids" I was refering to in that post was PUMPERS .
If you are able to read IN context , I was saying that when I critisized Frank along the way I was attacked by THE PAIDS .
It's a wonder you both guy .
Welp , yall did good . I came here to challege Jack E for his little rant about people posting on message boards that hurt other people , and it has once again turned into personal attacks from every angle . What a nice bunch .
Lobo , go back and read Jack E's attacks and name calling and ridiculing and sexual smack tonight and tell me that is inline .
What a bunch .
READ JACK E"S POST DUDE !
He's ALL OVER ME with garbage and people pile on and you SIT THERE like a budda .
Come on man , pass the TOS's around .
GOOD GRIEFFF
Hey lobo ,
Why did you delete my 1st post to Jack E ?
It was well written and was very straight (yuk , a straight letter to Jack E yuk) forward .
Why is it Ok for him to call me names a ridicule me , and be TOTALLY off topic , and try his best to belittle and personal attack ME and you don't delete his posts ?
Man , I really want to give you the benefit of any doubt but , you make it hard man .
GL
profiit/illy ,
"All you wanted to do was to come here and fight, you got your wish. Move on!"
~ Why did YOU chime in on my confrontation of Jack E ?
Why ?
It had NOTHING to do with anything .
You just like to pile on .
That's all you do . I ask you a question , because you're just dying to be noticed , and you don't answer . You just want to aggitate .
What gets me is , everytime I want to think lobo is sicere , he takes the low road .
As I say , I haven't learned what I should have perhaps .
Profit/illy ,
"dead katT you were the one DEAD WRONG for at least 28 months when QTN was being pimped out!!
~ Actually I questioned Frank on a continuous basis ALL along the way when things didn't add up . But , I missed the part about being bald faced lied to . My mistake was missing the evil in human nature .
AND when I DID question Frank on numerous occasions , I was slammed by the paids . No win situation posting on totally controled MB's . Just like here .
So what is your point ?
Now go back to picking on QBID .
I don't see the point in picking on vulnerable investors . Makes me think YOU have some of that "evil" flowing freely in you .
BTW; What IS IT that you bring here . Ganging up . 4th grader !
"chill out, I was agreeing with you
..."
Jack E "chill out" ?
Yeah after he spews his sissy venom all over the place .
It's like arguing with a 7 year old girl .
I'm outta here before I get hit with a doll .
I'm in town for a couple hours this weekend .
Seeya I hope .
T.A.G. ,
I don't have a sub here so I can't "private" mail you .
2 Things;
~ I don't know you , and don't care to have my phone # circulating via caller ID .
~ I don't have much to say right now . Inspire me and I may have further comment but , for now I just wanted to let Jack E have a piece of my mind . He's damned lucky I don't to the trades and make some critical remarks about HIM like he did my investment .
lata
Feed me Jon ,
Spin what you want . It really doesn't matter .
When you continue your crap , it thrills me .
"You had your fun, if you're gonna give, you're gonna get it back."
~ THAT is exactly where I'm coming from . Funny how we think sooo much alike .
BTW; What's the temp there now ?
Definately shorts weather I bet .
I must remember to bring a camera .
illy ,
"If you want to get together I'll bring the wife, in case you don't understand "no"."
~ I understand no , and ow and ug and ek and all those two letter words .
Are you going to take her everywhere with you ?
Bwahahahahaha , like a pet you are .
"I learned my lesson already, mixing the boards and real life,,,"
~ Jon , evidently not . Looks like the "lesson" didn't take that time . That's what's neat about life , so often you get another chance to learn .
"This town has a high population of gays,,,"
~ Why would that be of interest to me ? I'm QUITE hetero .
Now , as I recall , you had quite the good time on Franks knee and offering him BJ's under his desk for a stock pop . You even showed a particular appreciation for gay company at the PS event last year . No thanks bud , but you , indeed , seem quite at home there . A bug in a rug , if you will .
"I appreciate the invite.But...."
~ No , it was your invite that prompts me to visit , and I am going to take you up on it . I mean really , how can I pass up such an opportunity ?
As you told me , you will teach me some investing tips , and maybe I can teach you some karate in return . It's a skill of concentration , you should enjoy .
We'll be Mutt and Jeff .
Afterall , two years of you finding every opportunity you can to help me out just motivates me to no end to pay you back for your courtesies .
"As I posted there, payback's a b*tch. You have no idea."
~ I love your bigboy britches and I appreciate your integrity . I want to follow suit . Keep taunting . You are such a good mentor .
Seeya soon , middle of the week I figure .
redfish ,
The IRS thing was junks idea , not mine , though I DO feel it's a good idea . I don't think we'll EVER get money out of these sponges but , it WOULD be a treat to know that they got some heat , payback , and out of pocket damage for their efforts .
Since we're at it , lets throw some worthy names out there .
I'll start it;
Frank Olsen ,
Out of boredom , illiy
First post to me;
"Odd to see you posting so much on a .0001 stock boards this weekend. Given your mocking of others doing so in the past, Gosh and you posted on a Sunday yet."
~ I'm just getting ready to head south and am finishing up on some exchanges with people I comm with . I WILL say it's interesting to see YOU here on Sunday and Memorial Day with NO stock interest . Kinda smelly don't you think ? Most others do !
How is it that you're NEVER far behind me .
Why don't you stay over on SMMW MB ? Oh yeah , they think you're stupid too .
'scool , there are another 9998 stock MB's you can be obsurd on .
BTW; As I said , when we get to visit , it should be a "boys night out" .
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Second post to me;
"I'm glad stocken gave you Fans' e-mail addy today, after you asked him twice in two posts. I would have thought though, the investing sage you post to be, would have already had that, given it was included in PR's and many posts already."
~ Oddly enough , I don't archieve everything I read . I don't have a reason to pull things up to try to figure a way to cram them down peoples throat like so many do .
And confessedly , I'm sometimes too lazy to seek it out when it will be gladly offered with a little patience .
"So, you keep posting you're coming to beat me up, or some sort soon. Lot's of out right threats and innuendo, but I don't TOS you."
~ WTF are you talking about . WE'VE been discussing getting together for dinner and drinks . My only objection is who's buying . And we'll settle THAT when I get there ;)
You DID ask for it right ?
Perhaps you should "TOS" yourself for stalking .
"It's too funny to watch what has become of dead katt the once mighty sage."
~ Indeed illy , indeed . Too bad you don't/can't see how you are preceived . Figure it guy , itsprt (or whatever the goons alias is) is your only friend .
THAT's a SAD fking commentary .
Seeya
Junk ,
"my focus is on ensuring that all principal players in this scam get personally audited..."
On this we can agree . Good idea !
Who is on your hit list ?
And how will you attract the IRS's interest ?
A form letter piquing their imagination by using some buzz words like; hidden moneys , off shore accounts , not filed income , taxable trading , falonious accounts/accounting , etc should turn their head .
Thanks Trotts , I intend to make the most of my time .
The surf should be good and there are a couple Karate tournements I hope to attend .
Maybe I'll even get to bring back a souvenier or two .
Take care ,
Not much to say about QTN here but , , ,
, , , I sure look forward to my time in So Cal coming up . Sun , surf , sand , excersize , a relaxing ride out into the desert .
It'll be nice to have the time (2-3 months of So Cal hospitality) to unwind .
FTR ,
I am not trying to chase ANYONE away .
It's too late !
The damage is done .
NOW I welcome the pathetic ramblings of the unemployeed .
I want to know what a burden it was to buy donuts , and put up with other people in the work place .
I want (and am still waiting) to see internal conflicts and contracts and musings from people that have no fking clue about investing , yet offer investment advice .
I want to savor the bitterness of a tech-production assistant tell me how they could've turned this around .
I want to read how a employee knows the balance sheet , and if they were the boss would have folded the minute he walked into the position .
What's funny is , all any investor here wanted to have happen was to let the New Team have more than a month or 2 before the employees started a public attack .
Seems reasonable . Guess not .
Like illy says , "if it was you , you'd be screaming" .
Apparently he equates that everyone acts like immature children when confronted with difficulty .
And you want to know/watch the irony ?
They'll disappear . Their woork is done .
Perhaps a gratuitous post ocassionally to drop a quick barb but no more , I'm sure .
What gets me is , notta one of the exxy's have come close to being appologetic for their conduct .
They sling everything BUT , theirown contribution/responsibility .
Hopefully they'll grow some maturity .
skunk ,
I am not going to deliberate QTN endlessly with you .
A fools errand .
But I would ask you , because you seem to be splitting hairs with Thomas A .
Which people; "..these folks worked long hours from the start of this network, putting shows together, event attendance, interviews...." are you speaking of ?
I think there has been a turnover since day one .
If I'm not mistaken , the problem area is about the "employees" nagging our company with less than inception (meaning newer less experienced) employees/employment .
And , if Jack E qualifies as one of the pioneers , I should think his involment in the public issuances of a disgruntled sentiment only exposes his lack of class .
I should say , though I have never seen a moment of QTN outside the mp's on their site , I have ALWAYS given Jack E the benefit of the doubt as to his professionalism and performance .
My recent opinions of him have only formed AFTER his rantings publically .
FTR; I have NEVER critqued any of QTN's production .
[I may have mentioned something along time ago about the "Micheal Jackson Puppets" . It seemed pretty lame on the site]
Anyway , YOU have been the Network officionado . I just think you are defending some people that have less experience than even YOU .
Back to the 500 .
Tom ,
I may call out of curiosity but , probably won't .
I don't usually go further than an exchange on the boards .
Care to pique my interest .
Good posts rational ,
I share the same sentiments as you .
I am not against people speaking about their experiences or supposed truths . I just think timing is everything and QTN's timing was cut short .
I think you hit it right on , saying the "ex's" were trying to strong arm QTN and it ended up costing both them and us .
I have put myself in the position of an employee not getting paid by my employer . It would suck . Definately .
BUT , I would stay at the labor boards doorstep , NOT go to the press and try to run them out of business .
ESPECIALLY when there is a new guy at the helm .
Stupid move IMO . REALLY stupid !
Anyway , as I posted , I'm not sure anymore damage can be inflicted so I expect the ex's to simmer .
And I really am having second thoughts mentioning Saturday cartoons to Jack E . Our kids are already having a hell of a time figuring out the world without his freaky spin .
I don't suggest keeping him off the air , just out of the kindergarten .
Lata
Well ,
That was some interesting Fan fare following my notes yesterday .
I only have a couple things to say in regards to the ex's that have done their (by their own admission) part .
",,,everyday, i get letters from vendors, other employees, travel agents, outsourced editors,,,," Jack
~ And you took the low raod pal .
"If I and others had not spoke out in the press (and here), this scam would have continued,,," chris
~ Pretty much says it .
I chose these two exerps (from all the tripe) to make the point I (rationreaper and fat squirel if I may speak for them) was/are trying to make .
By their own admission they attempted to harm QTN .
At the very critical time of Fans intercession , funding was crucial .
From very early on there has been a major effort to squash internally (Frank) and externally (the agendised) QTN from taking hold .
When the "ex's" starting surfacing here I thought "Cool" , some inside poop . But , in a short period of time that "poop" started to stink .
Here is where the rubber meets the road .
At the very critical time (enter Fan) of finding financing , we've got "inside poop" surfacing on websites and media that was definately biased and damaging .
I don't suggest that these few disgruntled narcissists brought Q down . Far be that from (my) truth , but , it sure as hell didn't (now did it fella's) help .
Back when it mattered I challenged everyone of these guys to stop the negative jazz until things settled down . And was jumped on by many for "Not letting the truth be heard" .
[Note; There was even infighting amoungst themselves regarding accuracies]
Most of my posts were deleted infact . And FTR , in the real world it makes sense to not damage your investment . They did have incentive to see QTN survive , if for no other reason , to get paid .
Anyway , after reading chris's little posts #255455 and #255717 yesterday , it set me off , thinking what an arrogant guy he is and has been . And I told him so , thinking that he boldly speaks about his effort to harm a struggling company .
FTR; I wonder how much damage these guys caused . Probably more than I give them credit for .
FWIW; A problem that wasn't apparently considered was a counter media approach to assuage the damage from these detractors .
It would have been easy IMO to calm the storm with a little TLC .
Again , I know better than everyone of these ex's where the problems lay regarding the downfall of QTN .
And I don't have a problem with them speaking out .
As far as I'm concerned , it was just a matter of timing . I think (if they honestly had good intentions) they screwed themselves with theirown response .
So, here we are , company crashed , not much left at present .
Go ahead boys , tell us all the dirty details .
Enjoy sitting there in your bathrobes taking shots and complaining .
I have a question; Can you honestly say Mr Fan was an intentional culprit in QTN's fall ?
Tell us all the stuff . It's Ok now . Tell us about Carol and how she was a bitch , and Frank Hagan , and how he wasn't there long enough to know the REAL deal .
Let'er rip .
daddeo ,
"Who owns "vast" movie collection supposedly worth "a billion", TMM or QTN? Its makes a difference since QTN is a seperate company in bankruptcy and TMM assets can't be touched by QTN creditors. The same applies to other assets of TMM. QBID=TMM not QTN. QTN was just one of TMM's assets."
Ironically it was fisty on RB that pounded that into our heads .
I can't say I'm comfortable with Fans handling of this so far but , QTN's separate status from TMM certainly leaves the door open for another chapter .
It would have been a wiser road IMO to bail QTN out of its financial obligations and resume a killer comeback due to the "belief" shown by Fan and his "partners" .
[IMO the stock would have soared]
As I have posted , by BKing QTN you have a 2 edged sword , ditching debt/obligations , and in doing THAT you lose any positive sentiment in QTN going forward . Branding , carriage , co-operation , and the rest , , , lost .
So , here we sit looking for a needle of hope in the haystack .
We all have sat and watched this thing deteriorate piece by piece and have all posted our thoughts .
To date , I think ANY ONE OF US could have run this thing down in like fashion . And some of us just might have made a silk purse out of it .
GL
illy ,
"I hate to even think about all those schmucks, your friends and family,,,"
2 things Mr nice guy;
~ Unlike you , I salted away plenty outside of buying (with the houses money) on Franks lies . YOU are the true loser .
~ I am so looking forward to our "dinner and drinks date" .
I will be there soon enough . Should I call first or just drop in ? Together at last .
I'll look forward to you saying to my face that my friends and family are "schmucks" .
It will making TOASTING you all the sweeter .
BTW Jon; Thanks for sharing those pix of you and Frank together . It'll help me pick out a nice gift for you .
I have a question trouble ,
How do you get someones DD deleted , or alias TOSsed ?
You don't seem to break any rules .
What's the deal ?
I'd like to be able to do that , , , , OFTEN .
trouble ,
Sometimes I organize ideas while posting .
"Subsidiaries are formed because of liabilities. You don't own any QTN equity but, thank God, you also own none of QTN's liabilities."
So , QTN could file BK , lose the debt , and come out the otherside clean , with TMM shareholders still in play with a New Wholley Owned QTN .
Would/could a QTN BK CANCEL all of those %'s of ownership you mentioned ?
Either way you spin this , I don't see the big demise you predict . Actually , you've helped support a decent survival theory .
The optimist in me sees some very interesting scenarios .
Thanx , I DO have to go for now .