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so called partners
does anyone really think that they will allow the pps to move upward if they must or are going to purchase in the open market somewhere in the area of 750million.... that for the new mystery guys would not be on the agenda.... so I suspect a deal is made now to keep the pps in this to lower level by both sides.... in my opinion a lid is probably on the pps for a while.... also, the august 15 date is fast approaching... if history tells us long term holders that the information will be incomplete and vague at best, hense could we get a somewhat hit... the volume right now tells us that the bid deal mystery guys from who knows where sure are not buying here , and if some suggested, hmmm... they might have the inside info , lol ... on the next deadline release, then that low volume is screeming volumes to us.... read between the lines is the story here people in my opinion.... somewhere after the dust clears in sept or so we might see a spike in volume and that will be the signal that the big deals have deemed it the right time to enter.... building a 750 million share piece of the pie in this low volume market for our little gem is not going to be quick or easy.... but it they can get a dump like the heads up pre june 15 with volume , hmmm then that will be a good start for that goal of these guys.... now I feel I know who dumped with the heads up in june.. it is very clear who got the heads up and bought back on the dump... think about it.... now one more food for our disrespected retails guys here... anyone think of a preferred 4 after the common of 750million... bought, kind of like a guarentee for the big deals like our fearless leaders have, could that be a possible , I am not saying yes, but.. one has to ask a question , why would someone buy common that are basically worthless with so call massive assets and controlled with the golden parachute by only 3 top chiefs without getting the same deal for themselves on those added and sitting assets.... could this be a direction for the increase in the preferred and common dilution.... just for thoughts and in my opinion.... another twist but it is time to think like a chess player 12 moves ahead and that may be the real unstated long term goal here...
Imirish...
oldteck
"Phoenix wants to point out to all of its shareholders that this group is not doing this for any reason but to make money "
does anyone see in this part of the release the words "for its shareholders" ???????? nope....
In my opinion...
Imirish...
ren
kudos to you , with absolute one of the best posts ever on this situation.....
my take is this.... I think the friday release was " good ", very good to say the least..... as one of the most skeptical of all posters on these guys and still am.... I am now convinced with the info "reading between the lines" that now I know exactly what they are about and what they are doing... I believe I have finally figured out this game. oops, investment and believe I know exactly how to play it now... It is stated in the release of friday.... it is almost telling everyone who reads it who is going to control and who and how they are going to play this game.... everyone needs to remove any noise and smoke in the last few releases and the friday release is the one explaining the game.... I suggest everyone not worry one bit about "transparency" anylonger and share count, because that has been done friday.... right now play the game and forget what you know and think you know about companys and finacials and look at how and who is the band leader for the move upward coming.... and yes, you heard me say it "UPWARD" and hopefully it will be very "soon" and much harder upward than anyone thinks reguardless of any sharecount.... all in my opinion, but I am glad to see this more clearly now and feel we have finally crossed the desert to the promissed land here... I will add as I watch this game unfold.... hint, does anyone remember the sdna and snrs game.. hmmm
Imirish...
taint
hope all is going well for you now.... and all your dreams come true as for everyone that has fought the good fight here for all this time.... we will see... good luck
Imirish...
pnew
are u suprised by the lack of conversation or movement on the stock today? I am
u have mail
Imirish...
ren
the north and midwest is a mess... no jobs , housing declining in value to 2 years ago levels... national city bank is saying that the housing in this area is actually down 6% this year in value of what it should be.... more repos in this area than anywhere in the country.. so pools in this area is a nonstarter.... as for growth in that area of the south... up from what.... the storm.... remember the baseline was lowered so that will skew the numbers also... also, ohio , indiana , illinois and michigan for example have more population @ 41million in those 4 states than all of ala, miss, la and florida combined with about 29.8 million....with the exception of the chicago market I am told the rest is not doing very good either... it is all in the eye of the beholder I guess... anyways going to some kind of core is a good idea in my opinion...
Imirish..
whirl
with all due respect, you are kidding of course... if not, then u are on the wrong thinking process.... from airplanes to pools in the rust belt, now there is a marriage made in N.O. only ... wow... in my opinion...
Imirish...
whirl
in case you missed it I bought more yesterday... but it seems you may not get it..... there is a credit cruch and could get worse before it gets better... housing is not booming, as a matter of fact it is still slowing down along with the subprime market ............. especially large repos in the north of the country... those people are not buying pools, they are worried about keep the house and food and the kids education my friend.... so to keep a pool company in the north especially that has a base in michigan and ohio is just a waste of funds.... bet it is not profitable and stuggling just to stay even... betcha.... sell or spin the thing if u canand move on to better fishing, and pay down debts... we know they have some.... free up cash.... that is what I get and u need to understand that.... the pool thing doesn't fit as apparently did the ky and tenn oil business....
in my opinion
Imirish...
Ren
no I mean spinning them off if possible or selling them to that turd company, get rid of them.... in this very tough market, pools are a last thought and a luxury especially in the upper midwest.... I am in the north and have always seen this part of the company a nonfit and foolish.... in my opinion...
u have mail
Imirish...
penny
u kind of answered your own thoughts... with such a low margin, why keep it... take the sale of those assets and move them to paydown any other debt... put the money to better use.. do not buy anything with those proceeds though... consolidate what they have , rid the company of anything that doesn't have the desirable return ... get leaner and meaner and that would look good to any future and present shareholders.... other possibles to rid, pool assets, flush them into that ldti turd and spin that one to the moon... just my opinion.... pool assets now in this hard housing sector in my opinion is foolish...
Imirish...
Ren
that last trade u are speaking of was mine... at .0131
figured it would hit below the market...
Imirish...
max
that is fine if you don't want to read it... but to say untrue, the truth is something is starting to smell and I want to hear everyones thoughts bad and good.... it helps in the long run... my experience has taught me to see all sides of an issue for my own good... in my opinion...
Imirish..
lucy
do not ban expert... everyone needs to listen to him as all sides... let him stay and everyone just listen ... in my opinion... something is wrong here now and everyone needs to brainstorm...
Imirish...
lucy
called my broker ameriturd... again... said that although they are not on restricted list with ameritrud as of now... sometimes brokers find something about the company and put on their own restricted list... I ask him what he thought and it seemed to me that was not good.... so far it looks like something is a brewing and only scottrade and etrade have some kind of word on it...
in my opinion...]
Imirish...
wick
just got off the phone with ameritrade... no restrictions and no pending news... trading as usual.... ask broker and he said nothing going on he could see...
Imirish...
north
call the company, etrade and ask if it was security specific or the system.... let us know...
Imirish...
north
I have ameriturd... everything is ok.... I bought yesterday and so far feel ok with it.... as not good... I really think it is in the system as to the message and not security specific... we will see...
Imirish...
north point
etrade was have problems with online late yesterday.. they were sending "this security cannot be traded at this time"
Imirish..
Morning lucy
I will not buy today... that should give us a green today... lol.... I bought more yesterday... seems like a bit of capitulation going on... that is good... as to going below .001 ... who knows but seems that we are very very oversold now... remember, someone much smarter than me for sure once said.." when there is blood in the streets it is time to buy"
well , we sure have that now....
this sector will recover and maybe even sooner than people expect... I hope...
in my opinion...
Imirish...
the expert
exactly what are they watching and exactly what are you talking about ... the fall of the pps, are u saying they think it is contrived by some bad force and who... thoughts please...
Imirish..
Whirl
I think I said before, that the company has not earned the trust factor yet.... trust means in my opinion... that the volume or exchanging hands will be limited directly to the belief in the numbers.... nothing transparent in the numbers so lack of volume to the believers and nonbelievers... many people have been sitting on positions, many large positions and will not sell.... company insiders are not selling.... to our knowledge anyways... lol... new possible buyers are not seemingly jumping in until transparency.... and so far lack of they do not add to volume.... flippers, the smart ones so far in my opinion are accounting for much of the volume now... and some accumulators of old line holders the same unwilling to part with said shares for fear of loosing out in the long run... so what is the issue.... the trust in financials and the types of deals are a direct effect in my opinion of the added volume of a stock.... it is all in the details that will cause excitment and so far lack of the excitment has cause this to be a moderated traded stock.... bet the bank that if they hit with real open information you will see those 50+ million days alot.... could be wrong but I do see one leading to the other and therefore the pattern of trading this low volume doesn't equate to the saying you expressed... lets hope for full and complete disclosure , but I doubt it and this thing trading like it should be... in my opinion...
Imirish...
goat
agree, but again, to say that this is not trading like it has almost a billion shares is not correct... in my opinion one has nothing to do with the other...
Imirish...
Goat
my friend... the stated o/s is 1.75billion... why in the world would anyone give them a pass and say 815mm.... they have not earned the pass.... so for best results and until otherwise proved wrong the long suffering shareholders should use the max and not use the hoped.... it is not trading much because of the fact they have "not earned the volume in trust" at this point... lets hope for all that changes "soon"... depends on what soon is.... justifying anything else in this stock or any other pinko is dangerous at best... only deal from the unknown until it is known... just my opinion...
Imirish...
bigfootbud
YEP !
in my opinion it is not about the insurance aspect as much as it is the offshore broker side of the issue... transparency and u.s. laws do not apply... in my opinion...
Imirish..
Hey Lucy
maybe I should buy more today and drive the pps down to .0015 again.... lol... it always works that way for me... without bad luck I would have no luck for sure...
Imirish..
chilar
I got some of those puked shares... they filled only a partial... another commission for them ... ameriturd is just that...
will be back in tomorrow ...
Imirish...
ted
with all due respect... I don't see that to be the case... one has nothing to do with the other...
in my opinion...
Imirish...
ren
with all due respect to you , I just can't see how A+B = C on this.... I think the trading volume really has no reflection on available shares here.... seems to me this is nothing more than a "don't tell me, show me situation" on this stock... the volume is nil because of trust of the numbers is lacking and any transparency or ungagging is not happening ,YET! in my opinion
Imirish...
lucy
morning, stepped back in yesterday... bought at .002 200k.. small but I liked the fact that it seems to want to hold .002.. will it stay there, who knows... but it is sure looking like a hard bottom around that pps... will add as I am more confident.... I think a bounce up may be in the cards... looks like most if not all bad news is in the stock and the market sector... just a hunch... in my opinion...
Imirish...
real
with all due respect.... are you missing the other side of this situation... the insurance is not the part to be considering.... in my opinion...
Imirish...
Real
my friend, it is a big deal... think about it....
Imirish...
Real
my friend, it is a big deal... think about it....
Imirish...
cay
the insurance is ok... but the other aspect is what much be thought about here in my opinion....
Imirish...
caycehopeful
insurance?
that is the nonissue it is the other side that opens my eyes now... in my opinion...
Imirish....
roach
no all stock.... this in my opinion is not a good thing... can't we see this... in my opinion...
Imirish..
about news
if anyone thinks this is good news then they are not thinking...
think about this issue now.... leaves a real door open to trading guess what ... in my opinion... now we see why the pps is moving down the last few days.... in my opinion...
Imirish...
ted
could it be what I just posted a few minutes ago... what other explanation could be here.... anyone with a good reason for a gagged t/a now I would like to hear... in my opinion...
Imirish...
gitonwithit
ponder this reason for these small cash deals ... all the shares that can be used are now gone... one can speculate how many are in the float but I believe 2 billion is available...
now put that with the gagged t/a and missing q1 and q2 report then one must consider the possibles that the entire 2billion is now out there about another 25 million reported a couple of weeks ago.... the only deals available are small very small deals for cash only.... now as stated by the fearless leaders then is it possible and only speculation of course that the need for going back to the well and authorizing the entire 4billion that can be had is now in play... anwer , who knows, but it is worth consideration as long as we continue on the course of buy, buy and buy some more that was expressed to us.... what is anyones thoughts here because I don't have and answer and in my opinion only...
Imirish...
Rhap
my theory on these little companys is better be safe than sorry.... but like i said, will keep an eye on this and hope for everyone this is all behind the curtain... 2 delutions in 2 weeks in my opinion is 2 too many... on this sector and in this pps... in my opinion... add to that and compensation too high you have for a very tough situation...
Imirish..
thanks lucy
I may enter back in but for now this needs to settle out before a reenter...
Imirish...