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nrdc92. lebby thought he had deals locked up. you are right calling what hasn't happened a 'massive warning
sign.' companies unwilling to get into bed with lwlg. more 'data' my ass. who knows why? fact is, every single
potential customer has reason (s) enough to steer clear.
where will pps be by asm?
reanimator. things are unfolding exactly as a few of us here expect.
April is going to be very rough on old lwlg. quite possibly rougher than I thought before the conference.
the market is out of patience.
the asm promises to be a hoot...
Kelly would literally rather die than turn the running of her daddy's baby over to any other human being.
even if it meant big bucks for her and her family.
nor would she hire someone who could challenge her authority with the kind of thinking it would take to
get Biel going. even if there was such a person willing to tie their career in business to a company
with biel's massive problems--which there is not...
so, like I said, whatever form it takes, those of you loyal to Biel, who have stayed invested, your payout
is hope and dreams, which are very significant indeed...
'big' announcement, low trading volume, what does that tell you?
how many times have I seen this in the last 20 years? lost track...
ddls. nobody is paying these guys. they run on the fumes of hope and dreams. that's a much bigger
payout than even money. they're invested, just not in a way that we usually think of as investors.
thousands of companies have such people.
it is amazing Biel still exists. maybe it'll outlive us all. much weirder things have happened.
not even Biel bullshit builds anymore.
the products do not sell. they never have. big companies would've come out with similar
products if they believed even a little that there was a market.
20 years have passed and the pps is at .0002 with almost no sales. for some reason staelin has
stuck, most likely because he put a lot of his own money in and wants it back. without him
and his efforts there is nothing. literally nothing.
a move to .0004 is virtually impossible.
back to .0002 is virtually inevitable.
it doesn't matter how great the product, how many uses it has, Biel cannot break into the pain
space. no branch of the pain market is open to Biel. this has been true for 20 years!!
nrdc92. trading action says, so what!
like you say, there is either a deal--and a big one--or so what!
it's nice lebby is as usual all hyped up, nice mainly for his troops, but for real investors, people actually
wanting to make money, it is status quo: science without revenue...
nrdc92. your take mirrors what everyone in my world thinks.
they get a chuckle out of the lebbyites, not because they've put or directed any money into lwlg,
but because these lebbyites are the sorts of investors who make them wealthy. there are lots of
other types of investors who contribute, but the unshakable, emotion-based, they are a gold mine.
naturally if something happens, if lwlg surprises by making a deal, these guys will jump in
with both feet. they'll miss the 1st wave, but they'll catch most of the action.
besides, once the dyke breaks, the pps will already have dropped very significantly, so any
increase, they'll be buying probably lower than where the pps is now, as it hovers precariously around
four dollars.
your take on asm 2024, I think it is dead on...
social media????
my workplace is as wired in as wired in gets. surrounded by other firms also wired in.
you have no idea, none.
to even mention social media means you've no idea the way potentially lucrative info gets circulated...yes, social
media gets used manipulatively sometimes, but--oh well, what the hell...good luck!!!
tgif!!!!
doa. do you really think lebby can't talk circles around the failure to make a deal--60 days from now or 300? or triple
that?
he knows his subject inside out, he is very articulate, and he is significantly motivated to keep the company looking/sounding
like something big could happen anytime.
as ceo he has managed to keep all the balls in the air for 7 years--why not 7 more?
the certainty about commercial success that some posters claim is nothing more than magical thinking. backed up
by ridicule, insult, and every form of acrimony in the defensive handbook.
outside of conferences, lebby has not been spotted in the company of a single high-ranking executive of a potential
client. if he was in 'deep' negotiations with his aunt trudie, someone would've seen and reported it.
jeunke 22. you are bright, knowledgeable, so many plusses. I do not get it: what basis is there for optimism at
this point? why do you think any potential customer is going to go into business with lwlg? and due to
lebby's ambiguous language, his refusal to clarify so much to investors, what makes you think
lwlg has tech anybody is drooling over? I realize English is not your first language, though you write
reasonably well with decent fluency, but might you be missing subtleties in his cleverly obfuscating
communications--few and far between as they are?
there is not one verifiable fact that points to serious negotiations being conducted. not one!
nrdc92. lebby would clear up ambiguities if he could. lebby would communicate anything positive if he had anything. lebby
would be spotted engaging with some potential customer executives if there were any negotiations going on.
secrets are almost impossible to maintain, now more than ever.
you lebbyites aren't qualitatively different than conspiracy theorists who have no idea how the world really works outside
of Hollywood type scenarios. lebby is enjoying himself; life is good. he gets to be with people he enjoys, travel
FirstClass to nice places, speak about and to people about the subject he knows as much about as anybody
does, gets lots of applause, eats and drinks very well...
but as a CEO charged with leading a publicly-traded company to financial success he is a nullity. 7 years, a few
grand of revenue???? that's it. and there is no buzz anywhere except on message boards. none. not
a whisper.
smart people like some of you lebbyites, they're more ingenious and elaborate in how they fool themselves,
more articulate and knowledgeable, but the results are the exact same as what happens to duped dummies.
lwlg isn't going to go. it is going to crater--soon...the lebbyites will have complex, ingenious reasons for this too. of course.
in fact, with the pps very likely below $2, they will leave the asm with reinvigorated certitude that
commercial success is real and it's happening...soon. lebby will play them like a violin--he
is quite the violinist. however, for me and those I speak to about lwlg and its prospects, lebby's ambiguities are
like listening to a wonderful example of a kind of music that is not to my taste.
glta!
proto. what you do, it's called magical thinking.
it can be done with anything. tons of people do it. successful people don't do it, or they're not successful for long.
you do it with lwlg. maybe other things too. on wall street we encounter it constantly. it accounts for huge
profits for those who take advantage of it.
nothing that happens with or to lwlg, no matter how contrary to your magical thinking, will stop or even interfere
with how you think.
if need be, you'll rationalize and shift your magical thinking onto something else, probably a spec tech of spec pharma...
good luck!
whelan's unloading a lot of shares lately. through proxies. not much money, a few thou, but it's what they've been
doing for years and years--15 sound right?
x, not that you care, but I am impressed and respect the hell out of this post.
your unrelenting posts about shorts, that's one thing, but every so often you show how intelligent and
experienced and knowledgeable you are. when you do, I enjoy reading and am very appreciative.
thank you!
if he wanted to lebby could clarify exactly what investors need to know. however, if in doing so he knows the
pps will lose another 50% of its value or possibly even more, then it behooves him as CEO to continue with the
cleverly ambiguous language that keeps everybody interested in the company guessing.
so far he's kept the dogs at bay, but they've nearly chewed through his verbal fence. will he communicate
with shareholders more, or was that also part of a strategy of obfuscation?
vein. you are right to be upset and to worry about whatever your investment in lwlg is.
outside of a number of posters on message boards, there is literally zero buzz about the company. all these dot-connectors
and lebbyites, they're far removed from the question whether lightwave is in negotiations with any customer about a
commercializing deal. as you are. the difference between you and them is they are aggressively optimistic and
believe that because certain linkages make logical sense, they will actually happen. well, sometimes they do
and sometimes they don't. the fact that nobody significant is mentioning them and lebby continues to
seek exposure and investors by attending conferences--what you get is this pps that is vulnerable to cratering.
lebby could clear up a lot by making certain unambiguous statement; instead he offers nothing except exceedingly
clever ambiguities.
for a small to medium investor with a lot of their eggs in lightwave's basket, it is gut-wrenching, it is confounding.
good luck!
agree nrdc92. thank you reanimator!
walterc, i doubt it matters in the least to you, but your gentle, gentlemanly response made you sympathetic again to
me. plus, the tone allows me to return to learning a few things from you, as i have.
best...chsmoke
walterc. evidently you have a high opinion of yourself. maybe you're rich, maybe you've made a lot of money with
stock investing, maybe that includes money made in lwlg--something must be behind your ludicrous hostility and
self belief. maybe it's just bad character and aggressive stupidity.
gso. what you are, what anybody who posts about Biel is is someone who for reasons of their own wastes that most
valuable resource, time, following a company like Biel. that very much includes me--though I gave up on biel's prospects
a couple of years after Kelly became CEO.
not that that affects how wasted my time spent here is.
that's smart riverheaddaddy! fool yourself and be aware that's what you're doing. as long as one is going to put
money into stinkies which so rarely work out for investors, that's a good way to live life. at least as far as
certain not terribly significant matters go--like investing a few bucks in probable losers. the real payout is
the chunk of hopefulness that can come with the territory.
as for cbdd--i really thought the newest management sounded much different and much better. like they had
a real and viable business model that included actual transparency. evidently not...oh well
.0002 for awhile yet..0001 by may 1st.
it'll stick there until staelin says uncle. that could happen any time.
the o/s? that's Kelly acting as the fine CEO she is not.
there is nothing here to defend or attack. just a business that never got off the ground...
ofc, march 24-28.
if lwlg is not able to announce significant news regarding commercialization the pps will drop into the $1-$2 range. for
cause.
then, between April 1 and the asm in may, it will fall further, possibly to between 70-80 cents.
no company can play smoke and mirrors with the markets indefinitely. a spec tech without meaningful revenue for 20 years
has no real bottom. lebby's dynamic enthusiasm and aggrandizing proclamations propelled the pps to heights and
has kept it far far above deserved rational valuation.
fish or cut bait lwlg/lebby, it is time. now!
reanimator, yes, you are dead on.
that is the question no one knows the answer to. maybe including Dr. lebby.
yes Ted. your thinking is accurate, except the 90% chance of failure to make a big announcement is nothing more
than a number picked out of a hat. if you were getting 9 to 1 odds against a positive development at or before
ofc, wouldn't you take it?
I would. not because I have confidence in the company or lebby at this point, but because those odds are too
attractive to resist.
I do think it is fast closing on sink or swim time and there is not one single reason to think that there is another company
willing to be in business with lwlg.
kinzaman. time to leave the lebbyites alone. they're in their own lightwave world and now that we know there has
been no real actual progress towards commercialization such that even Mr. exuberant has scaled
way back, the only thing for us longs to do is to either close our eyes for a good long while or sell.
lebby can't do what lebby can't do...
x, don't be sorry. I was a kindergarten teacher until I got fired from three schools in three different school
districts. for cause. I did avoid prison thanks to my excellent attorney who is now in prison himself. now i'm looking
to catch on with a drug gang, preferably meth. i've got pretty good connections from the time i spent working as
an extra in the porn industry, but I'm still finding it tough to break in. you're such a perspicacious guy who obviously
knows how to read the tea leaves, maybe you'd be willing to take a little time out from posting about lwlg to write me a
letter of recommendation. I realize i'm asking a lot, but if I do break in, I'd be happy to slip you some product that
you could alternate with whatever it is you're already on.
regardless, keep up the fine work. a real service to us all...
nrdc92. what do you imagine lebby thinks about shareholders, especially loyal longs? the position he's put us in
with his proclamations and the December 4th letter?
does he feel any remorse or guilt or even concern? what sort of person is he really? I mean besides the brilliance and
the exuberance and the congeniality. is a moral, ethical person? so so many are not. rationalizing/spinning are a human trait
more prominently in evidence in american culture and society than ever before.
if there's any market downturn, if there is even one bad week, lwlg will sink into the three dollar range, possibly lower.
those who think it's fine to dangle carrots, then let them twist in the wind rotting for months without a word as to
what's going on are in for a bit of a surprise.
it's not possible to know who on this board is an actual investor in the company. who is long, who is short, who is trading
up and down?
I myself am a seriously invested long who feels unnecessarily put through the wringer...
red. I didn't say he hasn't followed the company or hasn't made wonderfully successful investments. he has and he
has--at least that's how I interpret him based on nothing more than his posts.
I didn't mean my characterization as a criticism; he doesn't need any defense--i think he's done great for himself.
x...you strike me as some older guy who has been very lucky so has made a good deal of money--enough to
be comfortable--despite not having even a rudimentary understanding of companies, business, or markets.
it won't happen, you've done well so why ever would you, but if you found yourself in a room with people
who really knows about these things, and if you offered your take, I think it would be very unpleasant for you.
unless you're open to learning, to being illuminated, which your posts don't give any hint of. but again, there
are lots of places and times in life where it is way better to be lucky then good.
well done!
watching this die is going to be as miserable as the endless rounds of lebby proclamations followed by waiting.
will lebby even bother to communicate to shareholders in these next months?
it wouldn't surprise me if he's already separated himself from the fortunes of this little company that seems to have achieved
so much, yet nobody is willing to do business or be in business with them--or, quite possibly with lebby himself.
vein, no there isn't.
without concrete news of a verifiable deal, by mid-march this'll trade in the low $3 range. any bad news, it's around $1.
right now collapse is an everyday possibility.
besides not having anything meaningful to communicate, the company has no clue how to communicate. how many times
have I seen things unfold in just this way? more times than I care to remember.
lovelwlg. it's trading as one would expect.
within the next few weeks it'll either collapse if no news, or do better or even soar--depending on the quality of the news.
lebby's silence after the december letter to shareholders is not uncommon in terms of today's business practices, and
it's not unethical, however, it is inexcusable.
nrdc92. couldn't agree more.
there are some at my shop who have forgotten more about companies and business and stock market action and markets
than x and proto and scope and their like will ever know kwho think no managerial changes would make a difference.
nobody wants or is willing to be in business with Lightwave for a host of reasons we're not privy to. I was once a
nothing burger at a power breakfast in which I saw a huge, mutually beneficial, deal between a couple of titans
of industry fall irreparably apart and it turned out one of the guys began to sour because he hated the other guy's
tie. for Lebby and Lightwave, there are a whole lot of bigger problematic possibilities than a funky tie...
srinsocal. as i've posted, I really do find it rather marvelous that you are able to configure a reality in which there are
positive things to say and believe about Biel the company, and reasons to be optimistic about its future. clearly, short
of bankruptcy, that is, staelin and Kelly throwing in the towel, that sense of reality is invincible. from a business
standpoint I have a completely different sense of biel's reality, and not just because i've been foolish and inattentive
enough to lose 99% of my investment, yet I admire your grit, your loyalty, and wish I was more like you.
one thing, not that it'll matter to you: I do not read certain posters as wanting the company to fail. like me, they've
lost a lot of money and are angry at the whelans for managing a public company and treating shareholders the
way they have.
I've no idea. maybe you haven't lost money on Biel, or maybe there's a whole way of thinking about losses that
i'm neither privy to or able to imagine. whatever the case may be, I salute you!
yes red. I mis-typed. btw, excellent avatar, redspinelpinktopaz. is the l after spine for the sound or has it got
some sort of meaning? regardless, it's a beaut.
there isn't one post that adds anything.
no one knows a thing about where this is going.
posters are lonely, need to engage somebody about something. a spec tech gamble like lwlg is as good as anything...