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Newflow,
Could you help to interpret this important post relating to the outcome of current winmq shares?
wonderstocks,
I read through p37-41 but could not find your quote.
Could you copy and paste here the whole page or pertinent paragraph?
Or make it very specific to let us to find it.
newflow,
I have been following and learning from your posting.
Thanks!
Just to point out that CTs are junior to LBHI debtors'
debts, in parity to senior preferred/preference equity and senior to common equity.
Swiss,
Please reread my post #89332.
Here is the text:
Pursuant to the Plan, as of the Effective Date, all existing shares of common stock and preferred stock issued by LBHI were cancelled, and LBHI issued one new share of common stock (the “Plan Trust Stock”) to the LBHI Plan Trust, which holds such share for the benefit of such
former stockholders of LBHI consistent with their former relative priority and economic entitlements.
Clear and cut in the Grantor And Beneficiary Statement dated 12-31-2017.
In relation to my previous post 89392,
if we can have some kind of proof that:
CTs(LEHKQ, LEHLQ, LEHNQ and LHHMQ) are in parity with preferred shares of former LBHI, then CTs will also entitled to new CTs or common shares of reorganized debtors.
Anyone has such info ?
The following is the proof that equity interest, both preferred and common interest of former debtor will be cancelled on ED,3-6-2012 and will be rewarded and held by Plan Trust with new common share of the reorganized debtors according to relative priority and entitlement.
GRANTOR AND BENEFICIARY STATEMENT
LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLDINGS INC. PLAN TRUST
277 PARK AVENUE, 46TH FLOOR
NEW YORK, NY 10172
FOR THE TAX YEAR ENDED DECEMBER 31, 2017
Background
On December 6, 2011, the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New
York entered an order confirming the Modified Third Amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan of
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (“LBHI”) and its Affiliated Debtors (the “Plan”). On March 6,
2012 (the “Effective Date”), the Plan became effective.
The Plan provided for the creation of the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Plan Trust (the “LBHI
Plan Trust”). Pursuant to the Plan, LBHI and certain individuals designated pursuant to the Plan
as trustees (the “Trustees”) entered into a trust agreement (the “Plan Trust Agreement”),
effective as of March 6, 2012, establishing the LBHI Plan Trust.
Pursuant to the Plan, as of the Effective Date, all existing shares of common stock and preferred
stock issued by LBHI were cancelled, and LBHI issued one new share of common stock (the
“Plan Trust Stock”) to the LBHI Plan Trust, which holds such share for the benefit of such
former stockholders of LBHI consistent with their former relative priority and economic
entitlements. The Plan Trust Stock comprises the sole asset of the LBHI Plan Trust, and the
beneficial interests in the LBHI Plan Trust are nontransferable.
Liquidating Trust Status
For U.S. federal income tax purposes, the LBHI Plan Trust is treated as a “liquidating trust”
taxable as a “grantor trust” of which the former LBHI stockholders are regarded as the grantors.
Each former stockholder of LBHI that is a beneficiary of the LBHI Plan Trust is treated for U.S.
federal income tax purposes as a direct owner of the underlying assets of the LBHI Plan Trust
(i.e., the Plan Trust Stock) in accordance with its former relative priority and economic
entitlements as a stockholder.
If you own former LBHI priority or common share, the above is your assurance of reward. (IMHO)
SwissCheeseAccount,
LBHI Plan Trust was formed on the Third Amended Joint Chapter 11(The Plan)
ED(Effective Day) 3-6-2012 (Plan Confirmation on 12-6-2011)
Usually it can be extended 6 months prior to expiration with approval from IRS and bankruptcy court.
Assuming if there is no extension by Sept 6, 2020, The Plan Trust will expire on 3-6-2021. Distribution to former equity interest holders in a form of new equity interest of the reorganized debtors, already allocated and deposited to each beneficiary election account on ED, as registered as escrow marker, will show up on stage in your stock trading account. (IMHO)
The escrow marker will be replaced by new shares accordingly.
Please comment.
rokkdatstock,
Thx for your prompt reply.
Docket 1533 1st PSA(Plan Support Agreement) 3-2-2020
Docket 1559 1st Amendment to PSA 3-9-2020
Docket 1584 2nd Amendment to PSA 3-13-2020
New Exit Facility: $3250M(Million) - $2500M Term Laon
and $750M Revolving Credit
Total reorganization financing: $3250M+$1250M=$4500M($4.5B)
So $4.5B is quite close to about $4.0B unsecured debt purged plus certain administration fees in bk.
There is a balance of $500M equity interest(new common share) after 1st Lien Group equity financing.
What is the purpose of these $500M shares?
Old common share is about 43M, new common share should be close to it:50M
Plan Equity Value $1250M/50M shares=$25.
My guess conclusion is: There will be 50M new common share priced at $25.
I am new to the game in winmq and being knowledge limited.
Please comment and share your thoughts. (IMHO)
rokkdatstock,
Thanks for your info.
Do you mind elaborate how did you arrive share value of $24?
Is $24 value for the new common or old common?
tutt1126,
The info you provided have been very useful.
I do not have a dropbox account and the download file cannot be seen.
Do you mind post the link content here?
Much thanks.
Anyone have knowledge or insight on the court yesterday 6-24-2020?
What is the status forward with Windstream ?
Anyone can help to shine some light on the interests incurred on the CTs?
eg. Take LEHLQ at 6.38% with a face/liquidation value of $25.
1. Interests is being part of the claim in bankruptcy.
Will 6.38% or 1.95% Federal Judgement Rate be used ?
2. Will the debtors pay you interests for exactly the time period you held the CT or the last owner holding the CT at distribution getting all the interests since bankruptcy inception/effective day?
Thanks for helping in advance.
Received email notice to remove uwbkq out of account after 30 days of notice due to non-transferable security status by the Depository Trust Company(DTC)for the past 6 years.
Anyone got such notice?
I have been reading and learning for the past years.
My appreciation to you for your valuable insights and quotes in the past so many years.
A story to tell: Where is the BIG SAUSAGE?
Since there are thousands of people all over the world who are holders of former WAMPQ, WAMKQ AND WAMUQ signed and released on the Election Ballot in 2012, then turning into Equity Interests Beneficiaries of the Debtors with
recorded Escrow CUSIP or Escrow Marker in our stock broker accounts.
The recent WMILT 8K again like the previous declarations and filings indicated that there will be no cash or equity distribution from the Trust, no safe harbor assets from FDIC to be distributed to Class 19 & 22. The left over will be heading to a Seattle base charity at the Trustee's choice.
Many of us upset, frustrated, even with fear and anger on this "NOTHING" ending after waiting and waiting for so many years. "Where is the sausage?"
"Someone lied, cheated on us!"
FEAR NOT...Good ending is to come on the windup of this bankruptcies.
Let us go over some points together in Q&A format:
Q1: Who is the owner of the Debtors's final estate?
A1: Equity Interests Holders
Q2: How come there is no money left after closing of bankruptcies?
A2: There is at least $2xB by book value. Remember the $32B-8B thingy?
Q3: WMILT is the successor-in-interests of the Debtors's assets. Again, why NO MONEY?
A3: There are 2(two) successor-in-interests.
a. Equity interests beneficiaries as recorded in the Book Entry System in which Election Releasing Voters's information being registered and good for distribution administration.
b. WMILT is being a secondary successor-in-interest. The Trustee transfered certain amounts of fund on behalf of above (a) for certain purposes to take care of administration fees, expenses and most important item: pay Allowed Claims. The fund is segmented and escrowed with respect to Disputed Claims classes. For the fund being transferred, the Trust has to issue LTI. Value per Interest has been figured out for each class unit. What you own is this figure times the quantity held within the Allowed Claims. Yes.. after Class 18, not much left.
The WMILT "certain assets" fund transferred was calculated for such purposes only.
Q4: What happen to the closing of WMILT?
A4: There is no impact to us since our money is not from the Trust.
Q5: Where is the sausage?
A5: The BIG SAUSAGE is from the bankruptcy creditor-remote assets.
Major assets:
1. In other trusts account, mostly being DST(Delaware Statutory Trust). Remember WMIIC, "jointly filed with WMI" but with no creditor.
These creditor-remote assets are substantial.
2. FDIC-R residue on payment from JPMC for WMB
3. Non-bankruptcy subsidiaries (Oh... so many entities) assets
Q6: How do we share the BIG Sausage?
A6: Under the windup of the bankruptcies. The closing of the bankruptcies of WMI and WMIIC on 12-20-2019 do not mean everything is done. Class 19 and 22 has to be paid if there is any money left for each equity interests holder to receive $10 or above. Remember, only with a few exemption, all Debtors's assets are bankruptcy assets under court supervision. We should not use the term bankruptcy-remote assets, but creditor-remote assets in its true meaning. Our loving Mary has to make sure Class 19 & 22 also being "administered". Otherwise she is violating Fed Bankruptcy Rule 3021.
Please be patient to wait for WMILT to file Form 15 releasing reporting to SEC and bankruptcy court. Then windup show will come to a theater near you, titled "THE BIG SAUSAGE".
Q7: When can I see THE BIG SAUSAGE?
A7: This is beyond my knowledge. Pray that you don"t mind to chip in.
God bless America, you and your kins.
Just hope that my 2 cents here will reduce unpleasant feelings lately, bring you much money soon, with health and a spirit for charity.
Disclosure: The above story is IMHO as an equity interests beneficiary.
I have UWBKQ shares in my retirement account with Charles Schwab,
The shares were removed in Sept 2019. I have been upset since then.
If you have similar issues, call your broker and talk to Corporate Action.
For Schwab, call 1-800-323-4332.
Seeking opinion on the following:
WMI Liquidating Trust Agreement
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/933136/000090951812000099/mm03-1212_8ke101.htm
5.2 in P17 :
5.2 Liquidating Trust Assets Treated as Owned by Liquidating Trust Beneficiaries. For all United States federal income tax purposes, all parties (including, without limitation, the Debtors, the Reorganized Debtors, the Liquidating Trustee, and the Liquidating Trust Beneficiaries) shall treat the transfer of the Liquidating Trust Assets to the Liquidating Trust as (1) a transfer of the Liquidating Trust Assets (subject to any obligations relating to those assets) directly to the Liquidating Trust Beneficiaries and, to the extent Liquidating Trust Assets are allocable to Disputed Claims, to the Liquidating Trust Claims Reserve, followed by (2) the transfer by such beneficiaries to the Liquidating Trust of the Liquidating Trust Assets (other than the Liquidating Trust Assets allocable to the Liquidating Trust Claims Reserve) in exchange for Liquidating Trust Interests. Accordingly, the Liquidating Trust Beneficiaries shall be treated for United States federal income tax purposes as the grantors and owners of their respective share of the Liquidating Trust Assets (other than such Liquidating Trust Assets as are allocable to the Liquidating Trust Claims Reserve, discussed below). The foregoing treatment shall also apply, to the extent permitted by applicable law, for state and local income tax purposes.
IMHO, All residual assets in WMILT after Class 18 and non-bankruptcy assets including bankruptcy remote and safe harbored assets in FDIC-R have all been transferred to escrow accounts (representing thousands of holders of equity interests with respect to individual election account). Therefore as WMILT Brian Rosen revealed numerous times: No material assets left in the Trust nor "safe harbor".
I did not think he lied.
Are we pulling together to fight for this 11-year old saga?
Checks are coming to your mail box soon. Make sure they are locked and secured and no one can slip this heavy check from you.
To be true to the exact words: You are the owners, other than the assets escrowed in Liquidating Trusts Claims Reserve) of all assets of the debtors since 3-19-2012.
Very Happy New Year to you and your kins.
WMI & WMIIC bk is expected coming to a close in this season of joy and celebration.
What is ahead of us in 2020? Tax return to file for year 2019? (or 2020?)
The following article came up on searching:
https://www.claconnect.com/resources/articles/income-tax-implications-of-grantor-and-nongrantor-trusts
The paragraph at the end within 65 days on distribution by a grantor trust after year end but can be considered as happened in the preceding year drew my attention. I am not trained in taxation. So I throw this here for comments for learning purpose.
Anyone can comment on this:
http://www.kccllc.net/wamu
This is the KCC site for WMILT under "Case Home".
Scroll down to Important Dates,Deadlines and Documents.
Click "Show All Date" on the right.
You will find there were 8 important dates from 9-26-2008 to 6-17-2012.
And it has been more than 7 years that WMILT did not post any important date.
Now we have a 9th date posted.
Why now post 9-26-2019 of an "Omnibus Hearing"?
How significant will be this court hearing?
sidedraft,
Thank you so much for your help.
I listened twice to the recording and it helped to clear some vital items:
1. The long lasting employee's claimed are done. Nov 1, 2019 distribution as mentioned by BR are for the remaining claims to be paid accordingly, not distribution to final equity holders of former WMI.
2. AG filed 1st Appeal Brief and WMILT has to reply by 7-22-2019. There are no fund left for the UW or other claims. This will not delay closing of bk.
3. WMILT is planning to close bk in Q3 2019, if necessary Q4 2019.
Please be generous to correct me for any error or mistake.
I tried many times to get the voice recording of the 7-2-2019 court hearing.
It indicated as an attachment but nothing can be found.
Anyone has the link or such court voice recording?
Appreciate your help.
Hotmeat,
You are right on this.
WMILT is not allowed to trade returned assets, including ABS participation interest, with anything. So S4V is moot. Otherwise there will be tax issue in any trading, thus violating tax free grantor trust status.
WMIH, the reorganized debtors holds equity interest of former WMIIC. It means WMIH is first in line to pay for former WMIIC residue assets if any....only by CASH.
WMILT is the successor in interests of WMI, WMIIC, debtors and debtors in possession: All residue assets belongs to WMILT, after distribution to bankruptcy court allowed claims creditors, it will all be distributed to
final LTI owners issued to recorded escrow markers holders.
LTI holders will be receiving distribution statement and distribution check in tiered time sequence; 1st and subsequent check payment or payments.
Subsequent payment will be from unclaimed and returned payment checks.
First payment check will be very very juicy.
Mr.Cooper Group Inc. 2018Q3 10Q will be out soon. Yes, they are already late as "advertised". They have a need to fix it.
KKR invested $600M on March 2015 in WMIH Preferred B with a final conversion value to common share at $1.35, now equivalent to $16.20 a COOP share. Imaging if their original plan was not for at least 3x profits on this project within 4 years, will they be approved from the top ?
Not as a lotto dreamer to grasp that $1.6B next Tuesday 10/23,
$16.20x3=$48 should be reachable by 2019 Q3 in KKR's cook book.
The tail winds are very strong in Mary's court for the WaMu saga. Yes, bk is closing in Nov 2018, receivership is riding on the same air currents. Coop is sliding prior to rising.
The only potential head winds is the world economic and financial trends. The supply of money worldwide is getting tighter and tighter.
The drama is on on all stages. Be prepared and ready for the show.
Just hope that we can get the distribution sooner, put out proper positioning steps to watch the drama.
Mr. porkchopranch,
This morning you are having hundreds of fans, who are to be millionaires, looking forward for your
"insider phone news",
Please post more to feed us.
SP, I felt sad and sorry for your big loss.
Your memory of her, the pictures will remain as a good comfort to you above the fortunes from the coming LTI distribution.
Put up some meaningful work with the fortune in memory of her.
A life well lived with you in the past 30 years.
richlife
10-15-2018
Dmdmd2020,
Appreciate so much on the outstanding dd, excited to see the large numbers.
The way you figured out the percentage of MBS participation turned my mind spinning.
From FDIC site, from Certificate #32633 and 33891, and under #19 Mortgage-Backed Securitites, you added up WMB and WMB,FSB to a total each year.
But we could not just add each year up to arrive a total since there would be high possibility of redundancy, making the particupation percentage inflated on years sum total.
I could be wrong due to my limited knowledge and training. Please correct me for learning advancement.
HM,
My educated guess that there is less than 1% population on earth with wisdom fighting for truth and ..... a very big heart
I cannot hesitate to say that you probably are one of them.
My regards & appreciation.
If you google WMIH Corp Subsidiaries, you will find 19 listings:
1. Dime Capital Trust I
2. Dime Capital Trust II
3. Great Western Financial Trust I
4. Great Western Financial Trust II
5. Great Western Financial Trust III
6. Long Beach Mortgage Corporation
7. Murphey Favre, Inc.
8. New American Capital, Inc.
9. Wand Merger Corporation
10. Washington Mutual Capital I
11. Washington Mutual Capital Trust
12. Washington Mutual Home Loans, Inc.
13. Washington Mutual Inc., Asset Management Arm
14. Washington Mutual Preferred Funding (Cayman) I Ltd.
15. Washington Mutual Preferred Funding Trust I
16. Washington Mutual Preferred Funding Trust II
17. Washington Mutual Preferred Funding Trust III
18. Washington Mutual Preferred Funding Trust IV
19. WM Mortgage Reinsurance Company, Inc.
Seeking expert comment on these WMIH Corp subsidiaries.
1. How do they related to WMIH in terms of asset value?
2. How do they related to the value of WMIH-NSM merger to be consummated?
Fortress Investment owns a private company FIF HE Holdings LLC which owns 68-69% of NSM.
My question is that does FIF HE owns other business/company since we know that WMIH is acquiring FIF HE as well that will add value to the WMIH-NSM merger ?
In the FTC record,
Date: July 20, 2012
Transaction Number: 20121112
Acquiring Party: FIF HE Holdings LLC
Acquired Party: Residential Capital LLC
Granting Status: Granted
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/14/residential-capital-seeks-chapter-11-protection.html :
"In the filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York, ResCap lists $15.7 billion in assets and $15.3 billion in debt. The filing says that ResCap has reached a deal for companies including NationStar Mortgage LLC and Fortress Investment Group LLC to buy most of ResCap's assets.
NationStar said in a statement that it expects to buy about $374 billion in mortgage servicing assets in late 2012. Shares of NationStar rose 94 cents, or 6.4 percent, to $15.78 in afternoon trading."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMAC_ResCap :
"On May 14, 2012, the company filed for a pre-packaged bankruptcy that included the separation of the company from its parent, Ally Financial.[11]
On December 11, 2013, the company's Plan of Reorganization was approved by the bankruptcy court.[12]"
I am not sure about these past info and their impact to the current value of the merger and of course value of wmih.
Sharing with you a little food for thoughts in the dull waiting time window:
Major parties involved in the WaMu saga:
A. WMI
B. WMIIC
C. WMIH
D. JPMC
E. AAOC (Insider trading hedge funds)
F. TPS
G. KKR
H. NSM(FORTRESS & SOFTBANK)
I. $2.75B BRIDGE LOAN LENDERS (CS,JEFFRIES,DB,HSBC…)
Material statements (parallel phasing only) from POR7, DS, 8K Merger, 8K/A and other filings:
1. WMILT as the successor in interests to the debtors, WMI, WMIIC, owns all the assets of the debtors.
2. Escrow markers are for escrow wmih shares only. Future final distribution, if any, will be distributed to LTI released to equity beneficiary of former debtors, releasing Class 19 & 22 owners.
3. No assets can be reverted to the debtors,WMI & WMIIC, nor to reorganized debtor, WMIH.
The following is just a reasonable guess:
• 2-12-2018 WMIH 8K merger SEC filing: related to upgrading WMIH to NGSM(Nasdaq Global Select Market )
• 4-2-2018 WMIH 8K/A : amendment after 49 days WMIH listing in Nasdaq only
Was it just a careless mistake? It was “showing” that the merger deal was being cooked for more than a year with term sheets exchanged and studied and researched by attorneys of many parties, mainly from WMIH, KKR, and NSM. Or were they thinking or even planning for WMIH to be listed in NGSM prior to consummation of the merger. They jumped the gun to let NGSM stay which is concurrent with their perception and plans. But someone emailed WMIH to alert them of this issue. So they had to file the amendment.
• Many of the investment funds cannot hold stocks under $5.
• 98% stock holders of NSM are institutional owners. At consummation of the WMIH-NSM merger, many funds will be holding shares of WMIH. That will create an issue for them to sell WMIH.
All the financial predators, esp AAOC & TPS have been fighting for their lion share in the WMI estate. It does not make sense TPS will ask for 75/25 distribution ratio from 70/30 if the major meat is not in the final estate.
Here were some major points I posted on 1-25-2018:
"But "equity interest" as defined in POR7, it is just the equity shares rights of WMI: Former WMI forfeited equity rights of WMIIC, WMMRC and WMB.
And no assets can be reverted to former debtors nor reorganized debtor(WMIH).
What could Creditor Committee and Equity Committee do? What would TPS do? Would they be willing to convert $4B to former WMI Preferred at 8am 9-26-2008, 14 hours and 16 min before WMI bk ?
There could be reasonable degree of serious compromises among the crocodiles, tigers and lions to make everyone willing to yield.
WMILT should get the majority of the estate including SPE Trusts income
while WMIH will get some of the lions share via WMIIC."
• Let me add something vital: WMIH has to pay for what will be receiving from WMILT.
Assuming the above deduction is proper, and WMIH has to be $5 before the merger, what KKR and WMIH have to do?
Options:
A. Additional acquisition news like other mortgage related business by WMIH? But WMIH-NSM agreement did not allow this to happen.
What is allowed is acquisition of WMIH subsidiary only. (Sorry, my brain stuck here.)
B. Using WMIH “stock bank, authorized preferred and common shares” to purchase assets from WMILT.
• I am standing on camp B and waiting for the progress of A&M receiving $2M a year since March 2012 for her job to locate and liquidate the assets which are deemed as enormous. Anxious to see the fee filing by A&M for Dec 2017, Jan-Feb 2018 in mid or late April 2018. Just praying to see it will be low under $200K signaling the job closing .... better be under $100K.
• I expect to see news by WMIH relating to either assets including mortgage and mortgage related assets in SPE Trusts purchased from WMILT, hopefully prior to the WMIH-NSM merger consummation.
One brain is very limited, seeking your brain power to comment and help.
WMILT 10K filed 3-27-2018 P3:
“On the Effective Date, the Plan became effective and a notice of the Effective Date of the Plan was filed with the Bankruptcy Court. Reorganized WMI, as a successor of WMI, filed a Form 8-K with the SEC on March 23, 2012 disclosing, among other things, (a) the occurrence of the Effective Date and the emergence of Reorganized WMI from the Debtors’ chapter 11 case, (b) the transfer of certain of the Debtors’ assets to the Trust, as further described below (which assets are referred to herein as the “Liquidating Trust Assets”), (c) the cancellation of WMI’s existing equity interests, (d) the amendment of Reorganized WMI’s articles of incorporation and bylaws,”
As further described below on P4:
” The Liquidating Trust Assets consisted of all of the assets of the Debtors as of the Effective Date, other than:
• WMI’s equity interests in (i) Investment (all the assets of which were contributed to the Trust or were transferred to JPMC pursuant to the Global Settlement Agreement), (ii) WM Mortgage Reinsurance Company, Inc. (“WMMRC”), a whollyowned subsidiary of Reorganized WMI, and (iii) WMB (substantially all of whose assets were sold to JPMC on September 25, 2008, pursuant to the Purchase and Assumption Agreement, and whose stock was abandoned by WMI shortly before the Effective Date)”
It showed that WMILT does not have ownership of WMI’s equity interests in (i) WMIIC.
https://definedterm.com/equity_interests :
“Equity Interests
from Five Year Credit Agreement (2015)
by HSBC BANK USA, Citibank International plc & 8 more
"Equity Interests" means shares of capital stock, partnership interests, membership interests in a limited liability company, beneficial interests in a trust or other equity interests in any Person, or any obligations convertible into or exchangeable for, or giving any Person a right, option or warrant to acquire such equity interests or such convertible or exchangeable obligations.”
So it is proper to believe that WMILT does not have ownership to the beneficial interests in the SPE Trusts.
So it is also proper to believe that income stream from the beneficial interests in the SPE Trusts cannot be distributed to escrow marker holders who will be receiving LTI soon since WMILT is not the beneficiary.
Who is the beneficiary to such income?
WMIIC, became a subsidiary of the reorganized debtor; WMIH owns the equity interests of WMIIC.
This could be the reason, in addition to the $6B NOL owned by WMIH that draws the big boyz
to the party:
KKR, Citi, NSM(Fortress & Softbank), the players of the $2.75B bridge loans: CS, Jeffries, DB, HSBC, …… and other financial predators.
Seeking your comment to tell me that this deduction is wrong.
Seeking your brain power to help from friends of escrow marker holders.
WMILT 10K filed on 3-27-2018 P4:
The Liquidating Trust Assets consisted of all of the assets of the Debtors as of the Effective Date (for a current description of the assets,
see Part II, Item 7, “Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations” included herein), other
than:
• assets distributed to JPMC pursuant to that certain Second Amended and Restated Settlement Agreement, dated February 7,
2011, by and among the Debtors, the FDIC, JPMC, and the other parties thereto (the “Global Settlement Agreement” or
“GSA”);
• WMI’s equity interests in (i) Investment (all the assets of which were contributed to the Trust or were transferred to JPMC
pursuant to the Global Settlement Agreement), (ii) WM Mortgage Reinsurance Company, Inc. (“WMMRC”), a whollyowned
subsidiary of Reorganized WMI, and (iii) WMB (substantially all of whose assets were sold to JPMC on
September 25, 2008, pursuant to the Purchase and Assumption Agreement, and whose stock was abandoned by WMI shortly
before the Effective Date);
On the effective date, 3-19-2012, certain assets of the debtors was transferred to WMILT which consisted of 8 bullet point items.
I am copying the above most essential point for your interpretation.
LTA consisted of all assets of debtors, other than:
WMI's equity interests in
(i) Investment
(ii) WMMRC
(iii)WMB
One of the interpretation is that WMI gave up the equity interests of WMIIC which owned the income stream in participation interests of SPE Trusts. They will not be returned to WMILT for distribution to the final estate owners, but will be owned by WMIH.
Please comment.
SamuraiProgrammer,
I think you are making a very good guess, especially on this:
"I personally suspect the bulk of the money that has been spent by the LT has been for forensic accounting in an attempt to identify, locate, and plan to obtain these assets."
Let me chip in my response here:
1. A&M is still working very hard charging $420k for Sept, Oct and Nov 2017. Assuming if it will go down to $2xxk-300k for Dec 2017, Jan & Feb 2018 on the next filing, it means that A&M's job is closing to an end.
Of course, I do not expect that to be under $1xxk, otherwise it will be very good news to escrow marker holders.
2. The whole saga stall is due to the giant assets to be digged out by A&M.
If you believe that the former WMI entitles to the beneficiary income of the SPE Trusts, it will be complicated and very time demanding.
3. The scheduling and rescheduling of employee claim more than a year later to Feb 2019 is being a stall tactic. This is deemed as weird and unreasonable.
4. Let me take the courage to make a WAG relating to A&M quarterly fees:
from $8xxk to $7xxk to $6xxk and then $420k ..... it may take another 6 months from Feb to get the job done. So end of Aug 2018 could be a good time.
5. And it will take another 3 months to wrap up the ends: Nov 2018 could be fire work seasons. Hopefully it will be shortened by Aug or even by the 10th bk anniversary 9-26-2018.
Let us squeeze out our last ounce of patience.
hotmeat,
There is no Wamu 1031 Exchange incorporated in Delaware.
I am reposting the following on 1-25-2018:
A minute ago I went to Delaware business search:
https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/EntitySearch/NameSearch.aspx
Using the word "wamu" and found the following but no Wamu 1031 Exchange.
Here is the list:
5335147 WAM (US) GLENDALE GP, LLC
5335151 WAM (US) GLENDALE, L.P.
4623350 WAM - US DEVELOPMENT GP INC.
4280443 WAM UNLIMITED, INC.
4291203 WAM US PROPERTIES INC.
4291773 WAM US PROPERTIES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
4612502 WAMU 2006-AR11 3A1A, L.L.C.
4608022 WAMU 2006-AR19 1A, L.L.C.
4617612 WAMU 2006-AR3 A1B, L.L.C.
4261817 WAMU 2006-OA1
4405421 WAMU 2007-FLEX1
4600388 WAMU 2008-SFR1
2903689 WAMU AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
3908699 WAMU ASSET ACCEPTANCE CORP.
4284144 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE1 TRUST
4329672 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE2 TRUST
4344861 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE3 TRUST
4366540 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE4 TRUST
3531106 WAMU CAPITAL CORP.
4255901 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2006-SL1
4318897 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2007-SL2
4374398 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2007-SL3
2993318 WAMU II GENPAR, L.L.C.
3089824 WAMU INSURANCE SERVICES, INC.
3819715 WAMU MORTAGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-PR1 TRUST
3484014 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR1 TRUST
3562018 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR10 TRUST
3562024 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR11 TRUST
3570896 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR12 TRUST
3570903 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR13 TRUST
3570890 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR14 TRUST
3582814 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR15 TRUST
3583150 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR16TRUST
3582793 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR17 TRUST
3594287 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR18 TRUST
3603738 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR19 TRUST
3493537 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR2 TRUST
3493534 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR3 TRUST
3505449 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR4 TRUST
3516934 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR5 TRUST
3528123 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR6 TRUST
3539075 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR7 TRUST
3550721 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR8 TRUST
3550996 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR9TRUST
3484010 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S1 TRUST
3495470 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S2 TRUST
3528119 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S3 TRUST
3550236 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S5 TRUST
3570894 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S6 TRUST
3583157 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S7TRUST
3603742 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S8 TRUST
3618278 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR1 TRUST
3704643 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR10TRUST
3717927 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR11TRUST
3741055 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR12 TRUST
3627366 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR2 TRUST
3627411 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR3 TRUST
3638094 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR4 TRUST
3648820 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR5 TRUST
3660649 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR6 TRUST
3671674 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR7 TRUST
3683003 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR8 TRUST
3694951 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR9TRUST
3627362 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S1 TRUST
3704641 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S10TRUST
3717931 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S11TRUST
3717955 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S12TRUST
3728690 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S13TRUST
3638888 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S2 TRUST
3648803 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S3 TRUST
3660663 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S4 TRUST
3660647 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S5 TRUST
3671679 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S6TRUST
3683005 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S7 TRUST
3694949 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S8 TRUST
3704645 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S9 TRUST
3672877 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-XSF1TRUST
3761599 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR1 TRUST
3831943 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR10TRUST
3844855 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR11 TRUST
3870880 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR12 TRUST
3884502 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR13 TRUST
3897495 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR14TRUST
3793450 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR2 TRUST
3793463 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR3TRUST
3805132 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR4 TRUST
3805128 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR5TRUST
3805112 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR6TRUST
3818443 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR7 TRUST
3818445 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR8 TRUST
3831545 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR9 TRUST
3805141 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB1 TRUST
3818439 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB2 TRUST
3844839 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB3 TRUST
3870890 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB4 TRUST
3870887 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-PR2 TRUST
3768275 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-RS1 TRUST
3793447 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-RS2 TRUST
3762772 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S1 TRUST
3805134 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S2 TRUST
3818437 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S3 TRUST
4000999 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR10 TRUST
4016441 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR11TRUST
4016432 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR12 TRUST
4048592 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR13 TRUST
4048527 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR14 TRUST
4064075 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR15 TRUST
4064081 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR16 TRUST
4078504 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR17TRUST
4078479 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR18 TRUST
4078478 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR19TRUST
3911941 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR1TRUST
3915632 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR2TRUST
3927629 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR3TRUST
3941651 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR4 TRUST
3958001 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR5 TRUST
3957970 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR6TRUST
3988186 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR7 TRUST
3998991 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR8TRUST
4000989 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR9TRUST
3927623 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR1 TRUST
3972598 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR2TRUST
4078483 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR4 TRUST
4078485 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR5TRUST
4207729 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR10 TRUST
4207731 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR11 TRUST
4222393 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR12 TRUST
4222399 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR13TRUST
4237672 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR14 TRUST
4237674 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR15 TRUST
4251697 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR16 TRUST
4251699 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR17 TRUST
4267710 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR18 TRUST
4267729 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR19 TRUST
4099773 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR1TRUST
4110608 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR2 TRUST
4110611 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR3 TRUST
4145729 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR4 TRUST
4177568 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR6TRUST
4177572 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR7 TRUST
4193518 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR8 TRUST
4193523 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR9TRUST
4110613 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR1 TRUST
4131119 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR2 TRUST
4177625 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR4 TRUST
4237682 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR5 TRUST
4237688 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR6 TRUST
4284556 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY1 TRUST
4298878 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY2 TRUST
4303583 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY3 TRUST
4321777 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY4 TRUST
4336973 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY5 TRUST
4356414 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY6 TRUST
4374374 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY7TRUST
4298882 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA2 TRUST
4320719 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA3 TRUST
4336975 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA4 TRUST
4356427 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA5 TRUST
4374372 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA6 TRUST
4160494 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2006-AR5 TRUST
4160509 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2006-PR3 TRUST
4284559 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2007-OA1 TRUST
2993323 WAMU PARTNERS II, L.P.
4925252 WAMU PROPERTIES LLC
Please chip in your ideas or comments, anyone.
To friends of this WaMu saga,
A. From http://www.wmitrust.com/WMITrust
FAQ P. 6-7:
As stated above, the Escrow CUSIPS were established solely to facilitate potential distributions, if any, of shares of Reorganized WMI common stock. The only source of common stock available for any such a distribution would be from the 1.5 million of shares remaining on
deposit in the Disputed Equity Escrow. Specifically, the Escrow CUSIPS do not, in and of themselves, represent an entitlement to any possible future cash distributions from the Trust, Reorganized WMI or the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (either in its corporate capacity
or as the receiver for Washington Mutual Bank), as the case may be.
In accordance with the Plan, the Trust will issue LTIs to WMI’s former shareholders if, and only if, the Trust is able to monetize Liquidating Trust Assets in amounts sufficient to payin-full claims held by beneficiaries of the Trust who are senior to members of Classes 19 and 22, and then, only if a shareholder had satisfied timely all conditions applicable to receiving any such Liquidating Trust Interests. There can be no assurances that the Trust will be able to monetize assets in a manner sufficient to give effect to the foregoing.
B. In WMILT Quarterly Summary Report filed 1-30-2018:
http://www.kccllc.net/wamu/document/0812229180130000000000001
P.14 Notes :
NOTES
* Holders of Liquidating Trust Interests will receive statements of their individual LTI holdings outlining the respective rollforward activity through 02/01/18.
1) Liquidating Trust Interests are not issued to holders of subordinated claims and equity interests. Additional LTIs will only be issued to holders of subordinated claims and equity interests if proceeds exceed the face amounts issued to current LTI holders.
Conclusion:
1. Escrow CUSIPS(markers) will not received cash distribution.
2. In order to receive cash distribution:
LTI will be issued to equity interests if there is money left in WMILT.
Please be patient to wait for the LTI before any cash distribution to you and me. (IMHO)
Bob,
A minute ago I went to Delaware business search:
https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/EntitySearch/NameSearch.aspx
Using the word "wamu" and found the following but no Wamu 1031 Exchange.
Here is the list:
5335147 WAM (US) GLENDALE GP, LLC
5335151 WAM (US) GLENDALE, L.P.
4623350 WAM - US DEVELOPMENT GP INC.
4280443 WAM UNLIMITED, INC.
4291203 WAM US PROPERTIES INC.
4291773 WAM US PROPERTIES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
4612502 WAMU 2006-AR11 3A1A, L.L.C.
4608022 WAMU 2006-AR19 1A, L.L.C.
4617612 WAMU 2006-AR3 A1B, L.L.C.
4261817 WAMU 2006-OA1
4405421 WAMU 2007-FLEX1
4600388 WAMU 2008-SFR1
2903689 WAMU AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
3908699 WAMU ASSET ACCEPTANCE CORP.
4284144 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE1 TRUST
4329672 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE2 TRUST
4344861 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE3 TRUST
4366540 WAMU ASSET-BACKED CERTIFICATES WAMU SERIES 2007-HE4 TRUST
3531106 WAMU CAPITAL CORP.
4255901 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2006-SL1
4318897 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2007-SL2
4374398 WAMU COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE SECURITIES TRUST 2007-SL3
2993318 WAMU II GENPAR, L.L.C.
3089824 WAMU INSURANCE SERVICES, INC.
3819715 WAMU MORTAGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-PR1 TRUST
3484014 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR1 TRUST
3562018 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR10 TRUST
3562024 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR11 TRUST
3570896 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR12 TRUST
3570903 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR13 TRUST
3570890 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR14 TRUST
3582814 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR15 TRUST
3583150 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR16TRUST
3582793 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR17 TRUST
3594287 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR18 TRUST
3603738 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR19 TRUST
3493537 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR2 TRUST
3493534 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR3 TRUST
3505449 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR4 TRUST
3516934 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR5 TRUST
3528123 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR6 TRUST
3539075 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR7 TRUST
3550721 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR8 TRUST
3550996 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-AR9TRUST
3484010 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S1 TRUST
3495470 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S2 TRUST
3528119 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S3 TRUST
3550236 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S5 TRUST
3570894 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S6 TRUST
3583157 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S7TRUST
3603742 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2002-S8 TRUST
3618278 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR1 TRUST
3704643 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR10TRUST
3717927 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR11TRUST
3741055 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR12 TRUST
3627366 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR2 TRUST
3627411 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR3 TRUST
3638094 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR4 TRUST
3648820 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR5 TRUST
3660649 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR6 TRUST
3671674 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR7 TRUST
3683003 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR8 TRUST
3694951 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-AR9TRUST
3627362 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S1 TRUST
3704641 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S10TRUST
3717931 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S11TRUST
3717955 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S12TRUST
3728690 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S13TRUST
3638888 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S2 TRUST
3648803 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S3 TRUST
3660663 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S4 TRUST
3660647 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S5 TRUST
3671679 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S6TRUST
3683005 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S7 TRUST
3694949 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S8 TRUST
3704645 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-S9 TRUST
3672877 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2003-XSF1TRUST
3761599 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR1 TRUST
3831943 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR10TRUST
3844855 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR11 TRUST
3870880 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR12 TRUST
3884502 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR13 TRUST
3897495 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR14TRUST
3793450 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR2 TRUST
3793463 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR3TRUST
3805132 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR4 TRUST
3805128 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR5TRUST
3805112 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR6TRUST
3818443 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR7 TRUST
3818445 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR8 TRUST
3831545 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-AR9 TRUST
3805141 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB1 TRUST
3818439 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB2 TRUST
3844839 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB3 TRUST
3870890 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-CB4 TRUST
3870887 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-PR2 TRUST
3768275 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-RS1 TRUST
3793447 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-RS2 TRUST
3762772 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S1 TRUST
3805134 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S2 TRUST
3818437 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2004-S3 TRUST
4000999 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR10 TRUST
4016441 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR11TRUST
4016432 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR12 TRUST
4048592 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR13 TRUST
4048527 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR14 TRUST
4064075 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR15 TRUST
4064081 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR16 TRUST
4078504 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR17TRUST
4078479 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR18 TRUST
4078478 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR19TRUST
3911941 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR1TRUST
3915632 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-AR2TRUST
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3927623 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR1 TRUST
3972598 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR2TRUST
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4078485 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2005-PR5TRUST
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4251699 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR17 TRUST
4267710 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR18 TRUST
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4193518 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR8 TRUST
4193523 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-AR9TRUST
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4131119 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR2 TRUST
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4237682 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR5 TRUST
4237688 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2006-PR6 TRUST
4284556 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY1 TRUST
4298878 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY2 TRUST
4303583 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY3 TRUST
4321777 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY4 TRUST
4336973 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY5 TRUST
4356414 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY6 TRUST
4374374 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-HY7TRUST
4298882 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA2 TRUST
4320719 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA3 TRUST
4336975 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA4 TRUST
4356427 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA5 TRUST
4374372 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES 2007-OA6 TRUST
4160494 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2006-AR5 TRUST
4160509 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2006-PR3 TRUST
4284559 WAMU MORTGAGE PASS-THROUGH CERTIFICATES SERIES2007-OA1 TRUST
2993323 WAMU PARTNERS II, L.P.
4925252 WAMU PROPERTIES LLC
Please chip in your ideas or comments, anyone.
newflow,
AZ is a very sophisticated outstanding dd researcher and being highly honored.
Under Chancery Law "equity interest" relating to SPE Trust is the beneficial rights over legal rights to the regular income stream including distribution. (A)
But "equity interest" as defined in POR7, it is just the equity shares rights of WMI: Former WMI forfeited equity rights of WMIIC, WMMRC and WMB.
And no assets can be reverted to former debtors nor reorganized debtor(WMIH). (B)
So these are two different approach to interpret the WaMu legal complex relating to bk, WMILT estate vs WMIH.
(A.) is based on that WMI transferred all beneficial rights to WMIIC before filing bk on 9-26-2008 and WMIIC transferred such rights to WMIH before dissolution on 1-18-2018. (The effects of WA WMI merged into DE WMI should ne included to become WMIH)
(B) is based on WMILT being the successor in interest of the debtors, former WMI & WMIIC. WMILT owns all property in WMI estate.
I think all the legal eagles from the parties knew the property of former WMI, WMB, WMIIC and all the WMI group of subsidiaries. If not, they would not be hired to do the job. ( You do not put a cat into a lion cage, only tiger or lion of similar size and strength.)
Do you think there would be green light for POR7 if most of the assets and SPE Trusts will be pushed into the WMIH cave?
What could Creditor Committee and Equity Committee do? What would TPS do? Would they be willing to convert $4B to WMI Preferred at 8am 9-26-2008, 14 hours and 16 min before WMI bk ?
There could be reasonable degree of serious compromises among the crocodiles, tigers and lions to make everyone willing to yield.
WMILT should get the majority of the estate including SPE Trusts income
while WMIH will get some of the lions share via WMIIC.
The redacted settlement court document is the bible. I doubt anyone of us here read it.
So let us be logical and reasonable in addition to just being legally right.
Bob,
Here is the link:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/933136/000090951812000099/mm03-1212_8ke101.htm
P.10 4.3(a) -
It said TAB can withhold distribution if the LT fund is lower than $25M.
WMILT has to distribute when funds reaches $25M.
AZ,
Thanks so much for the top DD!
Appreciate if you can answer these questions:
1. Assets of debtors can not be reverted to debtors nor reorganized debtors. WMIH has to pay for WAAC and WMMSC. How?
2. You said that WAAC and WMMSC will be operating under WMIH. How does this affect the share price of wmih down the road?
3. When is a possible timing for this to go public?
newflow,
You will find the position of WMILT in many of filing documents.
For instance, the quarterly summary report:
http://www.wmitrust.com/wmitrust/document/8817600171031000000000001
This Quarterly Summary Report of WMI Liquidating Trust (the “Trust”), as successor-in-interest to Washington
Mutual, Inc. (“WMI”) and WMI Investment Corp. (together referred to as the “Debtors”), to the United States
Successor in interest:
https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/successor-in-interest/
In addition to successor in interest, the term equity interest is extremely vital in the legal wamu saga to follow:
This is how it was defined in POR7, P12:
1.103 Equity Interest: The interest of any holder of one or more equity
securities of WMI (including, without limitation, voting rights, if any, related to such equity
securities) represented by issued and outstanding shares of common or preferred stock or other
instrument evidencing a present ownership interest in WMI, whether or not transferable, or any
option, warrant, or right, contractual or otherwise, to acquire any such interest, including,
without limitation, unvested restricted stock.
The former WMI Group owned a certain percentage of RMBS(certificates) and entitled monthly income and distribution. Although it is very difficult to get the break down between the debtors and/or subsidiaries. On the whole as the family group, the participation should be substantial in monetary terms in tens of Billions (my guess only, no proof).
Just judging from the 91% increase of JPMC servicing rights of residential mortgages after taking over that of WMB: the increase was about $557B from WMB. Some figured out that the average participation percentage in RMBS was about 8% (I guess it should be more as a whole), just counting this 8%, it will net $44.6B... By intuition... it should be much much more than just $45B from the WMI Group - the Mortgage Monster.
So equity interest is a term laid in the foundation in the definition from POR7.
Once I was wrong to follow some legal terms on definition and think that
with respect to Court of Chancery that such definition of equity interest under Chancery Laws overrides Common and Statutory Laws.
As an escrow marker owner, I was upset to conceive the idea that WMIIC owns the rights to receive all SPE Trust participation of the WMI group. But in fact it could just own a portion only.
Majority of the ownership was by WMI Group, now under WMILT.
In the 2 months settlement and subsequent related meetings between numerous legal eagle fighters to arrive the agreed POR7, there could have had term sheets fighting and bleeding moments among creditor committee, equity committee, TPS, debtors....... lAWS AND REGULALTION OVERRIDES, of course with many compromises to let everyone to accept POR7. WMILT still had to take a haircut to let WMIIC to have something for WMIH.
WMILT is the successor in interests to the debtors (WMI & WMIIC) and owns all properties including assets and beneficiary interests.
That makes the escrow marker holders the final winner. (IMHO)
Comments are welcome.
newflow,
Thanks for checking.
1. DBNTC settlement funds will be distributed to RMBS holders.
2. Former WMI families owns a certain percentage (participation) of the certificates that entitles for this mentioned distribution.
3. WMILT as the successor-in-interests to the debtors will entitle to collect such distribution.