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Here are a couple of dots to play with
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/410135/hydrogen-fuel-from-formic-acid/
http://mantraenergy.com/mantra-energy/technology/mrfc-technology/
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2016/cy/c5cy01276g#!divAbstract
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1413891/000106299313005928/exhibit10-1.htm
http://www.ge-alstom.com/
http://news.mit.edu/2016/ge-joins-mit-energy-initiative-develop-advanced-technology-solutions-transforming-global-energy-0830
Didn't Larry say outsource the research?
While it would be beneficial to have a US and European patent for the ERC the Paris Carbon reduction agreement calls for world wide participation, including and not limited to such countries, as India (patent), China(patent), Australia (patent) and Canada (patent).
While still pending patent protection in the US and Europe there has not been shown any hindrance to move forward the ERC under a patent pending tag.
Also, look at Mantra's web site. They too list the ERC patent in countries other than USA.
As a side note while they do not have a US or European patent for the ERC they DO have one in the US and the UK for the MRFC a type of fuel cell which is gaining world wide recognition.
Why it is diffidently a Mantra logo pasted on another document, what gives that page some credibility, you can download it directly from the school site not a third party source as shown, meaning it wasn't doctored from the source.
Don't take my support wrong, I share you frustration.
But concerning that support for Larry, for my two cents, even though it may have come though by way of the back door, Larry has gotten us a contract with one of the biggest companies on the planet. I think he deserves our support until the outcome of that contract is finalized one way or another. JMHO.
A fair question, I think of us do and have questioned the action and judgement calls of the CEO/company's execution?
For myself, see my prior post in regards his handling of the pilot plant announcement 2014 to 2015. See my questioning him here on I HUB and direct by phone why when the stock was in the 50 cent range that he didn't at that time raise the funds necessary to fund all of Mantra projects.
The run up to earnings has began, will it hold this time?
Junk, I believe if that was true Larry would have cash out several million shares when the price was in the 49 to 70 cents ranges and just authorize himself new shares.
Having been flooded twice by Sandy and Irene I pray that you and all those in the path of this storm escape any serious damage to their homes and that no one is harmed.
Right, currently they are short of money, Wrong, they had a choice they could have closed up shop and walk away, instead the CEO has taken steps to keep moving forward until their financial situation improves.
A project for a department of the US I think I would consider that pretty serious action.
It is not confidence, it's perspective.
I have served on the board of directors of several startup private companies. I have experienced the frustrations that Larry faces: lack of operating capital, being at the mercy of your collaborators due to financial restraints, working with snail paced government agencies, politicians making promise they don't keep, dealing with potential investors who waste weeks, months of your time leading you on that they were going to invent than either pull out at the last minute or want control of your company for a relatively small investment, getting a government agency willing to support than having to wait to see it they can get the funds approved in next year budget, being one of the two finalist in a grant award only to be beaten out, and being told by a billion dollar company that they love your product and told you they would offer 500 million for your company if your product was on the market but would not invest 2 million needed to get to market also you could not tell any other potential investors this information to raise the needed 2 million because you were bound by a NDA.
Other Facts of past few months
While most likely not getting the EU grant, Mantra announces Aug 25th 2016 that they are short listed for possible funding from a Dept of the US government.
While the working space is small."As Mantra awaits the result of this and other funding applications, the company has moved into a new facility. The new location is fully equipped for the company to execute the projects applied for."
"The company further announced it's participation in the BC government's recent announcement of the Climate Leadership Plan. Mantra was one of a small number of companies invited to attend the announcement, which promises support for beneficial climate initiatives and technologies like Mantra's ERC and MRFC. "
Canada goal 2050
https://climate.gov.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/06/4030_CLP_Booklet_web.pdf
AS far as GE relationship news, per Alstom(now GE)/Mantra agreement GE control all if any news that is allowed to be released. As of the recent 10K THE GE/Mantra agreement is currently in effect. Therefore the pilot plants are still on the table.
I agree there is absolutely nothing happening to get excited about today, but until the doors closes and the collaborators and governments lose interest the potential remains. While market cap has been reduced to nothing, technology wise the company is worth far more than it was when it was at 70 cents a share, that a fact with more patents and more products in development (MFRC, Energy Storage, and possibly ERC used in desalination.
Didn't BICX break off their deal with Trinity for the rights of the implant hence the change to developing an injectable Naltrexone.
Great DD, Thanks
When did you go to the booth, I just google Frontier Solar and there was one review from goog1e a month ago.
Frontier Solar Inc
Electrician
Address: 5807 Winfield Blvd, San Jose, CA 95123
Phone: (408) 927-9335
Reviews from the web
5/5Facebook · 9 votes
Reviews
1 Google review
Zayith Pinto
a month ago
From Face book the last one was May 29th 2015.
Me neither,
Never matter to me. The company will rise or fall based on it own merits.
Doors still open, collaborates remain interested, grant decisions still coming in, governments taking notice, I willing to wait to see where this goes.
I hope you are right......
I am happy for you, that your choice not mine. You are entitled to your opinion and I am of mine.
Appreciate the feedback.
Florida would be a great place to expand the business, lot of sunshine days, also a great place to put a division than expand north to the southeastern states from there once SUNW has a firm hold in Florida.
I agree to reach or beat his guidance quarters 3 and 4 should be in that range.
Hoping we hear of a new acquisition in the next 90 days, maybe just before Q3 numbers are released.
One last point and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I believe the CEO said that the company was going to hire a specialist to find a manufacturing partner for the cell a period of time AFTER he said the cell was no longer the main focus of the company.
So how long til the next acquisition and what state will it be in?
Again Moon the Cell is part of this company and an on topic subject.
Look, I just don't get it why you and Chink get so worked up about Cell discussion. The Cell has been and still is part of this company.
IF you and those who are high on the installation part of the company want to discuss other aspects of the company feel free. When the cell is being discussed just ignore those conversations.
Let me ask you guys a few direct questions, you have kids? Ever correct them? Ever question their actions? They ever make you sad? They ever disappoint you? You ever stop supporting them?
It is similar here, just because I question the CEO's actions and motives at times I have never stop supporting him and his vision.
While you may not like it my Cell post but they are on topic. I am just a guy with a different vision for the company's future then you. The company switch direction once there is no reason to believe they might switch back. Most of us all want the same thing the company to be very profitable.
Concerning my posts, 80% of them are in response to post directed at me. I made one post to something Carl posted 9/27, all other of my posted were in response to post directed directly to me including yours and Chink's. SO PLEASE don't take your frustration out on me me lack of acquisitions or Rapidrack news.
If I am wrong I will be happy to omit it.
There was one the China patent, please list all those PR's new acquisitions is the subject of the PR not just a side note we are talking to many companies as possible acquisitions. That would fall in the same area as looking for a manufacturing partner.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/sunworks-patent-for-its-solar3d-cell-to-be-granted-by-chinese-patent-office-nasdaq-sunw-2132855.htm
Reality check, there has been more PR's from the company about the cell then announcing a new acquisition the past 12 months..
Or it could be the market just doesn't feel at the moment the company doesn't has the resources to reach it's potential.
When the company does I will.
http://sunworksusa.com/company/future/
According to SUNW the cost was design to be low cost and be produced under common manufacturing.
"Jim Nelson, CEO of Solar3D, commented, "In the solar industry, it is not enough to have high efficiency, you must also be low cost. We started our company with the mantra of Breakthrough Product, Common Manufacturing, and I am pleased to report that we are right on track.""
In all honestly depends on the day.
First, I don't think the patent has been official granted in China. I could be wrong, Just did a quick google search and all I could find was"to be" not "has been" granted. As far as first pass US, and for the sake of argument, passed China, I don't know if China recognizes US patents and whether or not they judge them on their own merit. Meaning there might be patents (Panasonic)that supersede SUNW on file in US but not filed in China. Or US might think the Panasonic tech is too similar to SUNW tedh, while in China they are different enough to be awarded their own patent (just speculating here I have no idea).
Going back to your question.
As far as
Fair analysis, I can take it one step further, I like to invested in the potential of revolutionary technologies that just in this case happen to be in the solar market. The fact that it is a solar company didn't enter into my decision to invest. Actually I believe solar is a short term phase of energy, you might get your 5 to 10 year window, but once hydrogen gets the bugs out fossil fuel and solar will both go by the waste side JMHO.
I agree, technology ownership, interest in that technology and attaching partners to help you develop that technology while not guaranteeing success definitely improves your odds.
Between the 10K and Koss's presentation on May 9th 2016, pretty much confirms the GE/Mantra relationship, and that Mantra's technology is now part of GE portfolio of carbon reduction technology.
Whether or not GE will do anything will that technology is still yet to be determined.
I sit back and chuckle over the banter of stock price going down or price going up, but I guess there really isn't much else to talk about here recently.
Except the fact the 10k confirms GE interest, the 10K confirms the recent slow down in events is do to the former Alstom Switzerland division being reorganized under new GE management, hence the lack of news and progress of the ERC projects.
No news lack of money price falls, news influx of working capital price goes up.
Some say the EU grant is dead others say still pending either way not a concern of mine. If dead Mantra will apply for other grants and there are and will be plenty of them as excess carbon is and looks like will be a world concern for decades to come. If the EU grant is still alive and Mantra does get it current stock prices will be way back in the rear view mirror.
What also matters to me is the CEO doesn't sit back and place all his eggs in one basket. Just a month ago, Aug 25th 2016 the company announced it has been short listed listed for a funding opportunity from a major department of the US government.
You can sit back and preach daily about the current fallen stock price, the smaller lab, the employees that left and current financial situation all you like it is just a moment in time.
The potential of the company has never been greater: per 10K three technologies (ERC, MRFC and Energy storage), GE is a collaborator, per Aug 25, 2016 PR possibility of a new collaborator the US government, per PR 2017 the Canadian government, new use for the ERC tech desalination, and since the Paris conference 2015 a world wide greater effort to explore and fund all methods to reduce carbon.
Potential does not mean success, as well as a down moment in a company's history does not mean failure.
See Carl this is where I strongly disagree.
What is not take it into consideration here is that when Mantra USA was formed they did not have a collaborating US partner. Since then they have added GE as a collaborating US partner, thereby reducing the need of Mantra USA to be eligible for grants in the US. Giving them the opportunity to save the cost of running a division that was only formed to get access to US funds.
No and here is why....
Mantra Energy USA defaulted 4/15
This PR dated Aug 25, 2016, 4 months after the default of Mantra Energy USA.
Mantra Energy defaulted 4/15
This PR dated Aug 25, 2016, 4 months after the default of Mantra USA.
Only Mantra USA is in default a division of Mantra Venture Group LTD
a fully reporting US company, not Mantra Venture Group LTD a Nevada Corporation.
Topic is Mantra Energy USA- not Mantra Venture Group.
Mantra Energy USA is a division of Mantra Venture Group LTD. any grants that Mantra Energy USA received would be for the benefit of improving the technology of the parent company Mantra Venture Group LTD.
MVTG is applying for those US grants though their collaborating partners instead of applying for them their selves. Saving the company the cost of operating a division that at present would be nothing more than an empty office.
So while Mantra Energy USA is not currently in operation the opportunities for funding that MVTG thought it could receive though the USA division are still available to them by applying for them though their collaborating partners.
At such time that MVTG receives funding of a project to justify the expense of reopening the Mantra Energy USA division it would be a simple matter of filing the paperwork.
Agree
Well then.............
What your point? No bearing on getting US funds.