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Well it seems the posse is back and up to it's usual tricks.
How adult is it to tag team in a 2d pretend whisper behind the back of your subject?
Anyway we've been over this ground before to no avail. Out of respect for Quahog's request for peaceful exchange I offered an olive branch. In a stunning example of your true colors you resonded with all of the eloquence of a sailor on shore leave in PM and had a compadre use the information in a ludricrous attempt to belittle the offer.
In truth, I have no respect for foul mouthed neanderthals or any self proclaimed rules they wish to try and impose to level the playing field in their favor. In other words, I won't "dis" your family tree if you don't use profanity when referencing me.
But we already know you can't do that so I'll deal with you this way.
Those posse members that treat me with respect, are civil and are polite with receive the same.
Those that want a war...may or may not get one. Depends on if you can hold my interest.
Sadly, most of the posse lost my interest a long time ago.
The Bird of Prey
Poet,
I see you did have an interesting weekend! Perchance did you see LOTR and if so what did you think about it?
The Bird of Prey
Not a problem, now if we can only get the troublemakers to understand...
Later ya'll, I'm done for the nite.
The Bird of Prey
Agreed. eom
The Bird of Prey
You sound like the guy getting a ticket for speeding...
"Why don't you ticket everybody? They were speeding too!"
The Bird of Prey
Wahhhhh! Wahhhhh! Wahhhh!
I doubt I've had 5 posts deleted in my entire posting history at IHUB.
17 in 7 days? that's unbelievable must have been a slow week!
The Bird of Prey
NW,
Have you noticed the similarity between Mary and Joe? Seems to be opposite side of the same coin.
The Bird of Prey
KOIKAZE
I couldn't have said it any better. Just earned yourself a peoplemark.
The Bird of Prey
I never said anything about getting F2F with you. Of course that is often the problem with guys like you in the 2d world. You love poking sticks...as long as no one else pokes back!
There you go again with the namecalling...I guess Quahog wasn't successful in getting you to "bury the hatchet" anywhere but in my skull!
thank you for playing
The Bird of Prey
Yes it has but you are now dening it was a theft. Did it or did it not happen as described. I do believe that Matt hasn't pressed any charges so there should be a fear of legal action.
Yes, I am involved in the honorable profession of MLM and yes I am making money from it as I have for many years now.
BTW, saw your post before it got canned on Q&A. IF you knew anything you'd know Compuserve was started in 1978. and the university system was connected about that same time. Ask Bob, he'll confirm that before there was even a thought of SI, RB or IHUB there were BBS's dedicated to all kinds of topics. But I'm not surprised you don't know that, you were too busy batting your eyes at your next benefactor.
The Bird of Prey
Haven't you forgotten about answering this?
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=239385
The Bird of Prey
No threat, just stating the facts.
Speaking of facts, MMMARY has not claimed to have had one of these "face to face" meetings with anyone representing me so what are you barking about?
I am sure that several of your associates may have wanted to have a F2F with me after our last little tete a' tete, no?
I am also sure that a lot of folks would like to have a F2F with a lot of other folks they've become involved with here on the message boards for a whole variety of reasons, yes?
So again, was there really a need for you to jump in here or do you have an ulterior motive? Still holding a grudge perhaps?
Hoping you can save face this time?
Tell you what, wait until Matt and Bob get the Ignore button up and running then you can place me on Ignore and your blood pressure need never be at risk again.
The Bird of Prey
And I thought you were some kind of supermensa smartypants. Can't figure out how to call me a crook without putting yourself at risk for a lawsuit?
>>Multi level marketing is a pyramid deal.
There is that infinite knowledge base of yours showing it flaws again! I suggest you spend some time reviewing the materials avaialbe on the internet that fully explain the actual workings of a pyramid scheme and the differences between MLM and pyramid or ponzi schemes.
BTW, the business field that is home to the most notorious ponzi schemes? Real Estate. Isn't that your field?
And since you admit you can't put up... shut up.
The Bird of Prey
In over twenty years I have only used an "ignore" once. Then only because the admin wouldn't TOU a very foul mouthed opponent, he couldn't type three words without one of them being an epithet. I don't know if I would actually use it here, but I do know of several folks that would enjoy IHUB a whole lot more if it existed.
The Bird of Prey
I can't imagine why! :>)
The Bird of Prey
this has to be some kind of double up grub! 8844
marcos, marcos, marcos,
How exactly would you execute "getting out"?
Besides you miss the point entirely.
I don't care that she has a negative opinion about a stock. She is absolutely correct about the negative effects of toxic financing. And she is correct to present evidence that a company officer could be untrustworthy.
But that isn't what she does. She takes accusations and suppositions and presents them as ironclad irrefutable fact. And when someone points that out she attacks them visciosly and continuously, often to the point of driving them off. Which is where many develop a problem with her, because it is equally as bad to drive off honest positive users as it is to drive off honest negative users.
You obviously feel she needs defending, If you had read more than a >>"few of her posts here and on Jeff's lawsuit thread on SI"<< you would know that she can dish it out quite well without aid.
Additionally, If you were aware of her pattern you would know that she is not picking on P&D spikes. Most of her focus has been on companies that have been on a downward spiral for a year or more. As an example ASTN peaked at $15 almost three YEARS before she began tattooing it's shareholders for owning it at $1.15.
Anyone with sense knows that the market is rife with shysters and that one must be careful where one puts ones money.
What makes matters the most sickening here is that MMMARY has shown that she can present her evidence in the proper way, when she wants to, complete with third party sources linked and no embellishment or exaggeration on her part. Unfortunately her preferred MO is to bait the longs with a real piece of evidence layered with her "opinion" and then to exchange in namecalling until admin has to step in and clean things up. Eventually, people who once were willing to put in some extra time to help further the disemination of information about a company grow tried of having to put up with her tactics and leave. Then she gloats over her "victory".
When no one is left but her she moves on to the next one.
This is just a suggestion, but next time you want to throw your "support" behind an individual...at least have the courtesy to have read enough of their work to understand what they do.
The Bird of Prey
Apparently I can't make a post without somebody thinking I am trying to muzzle them! ;>)
The Bird of Prey
For Matt and Bob,
A while back there was discussion of an "ignore" feature here at IHUB. IS that still a possibility. I know that both of you think that it should be an option and for 99.9% of the time I would agree, however it might be the best way to resolve a question where the Admin feel a poster has potential value and a number of users want to be rid of that poster. It would save a number of folks headaches in that Matt wouldn't have to hear requests to remove posts from user X as often. And users ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV & W wouldn't have to even acknowledge user X because they would never see user Xs posts. You could also incorporate the Ignore stat into the top member formula for an even better idea of the real value of a user.
The Bird of Prey
You requested permission to post my personal information. I denied that request.
You refer to my business as a pyramid scheme. Prove it.
The two are mutually exclusive, it is not necessary to post my personal information to prove or disprove whether or not my business is a pyramid scheme. You have made you accusation and have been called. Put up or shut up.
The Bird of Prey
No you may not. And I will not ever give you permission. Last time you included way too many personal observations that were inaccurate and misleading, so much so that certain associates of mine in your area wanted to have a little 'face to face' time with you. Also, I did not "whine" when you took my dare, as I recall I thanked you for the publicity. I even refused Matt's offer to delete it from the site.
>>bop, you're in a pyramid scheme marketing deal. Do you deny this?
I deny being involved in a pyramid scheme and I ask again that you prove that it is a pyramid scheme. The only acceptable proof would be an indictment by any state level attorney general or a federal indictment. Pyramid schemes are a criminal offense and taken rather seriously by the authorities.
The Bird of Prey
What amazes me is how often and in so many different venues that simple principle works.
My wife voluteers as a chaperone for the local Youth Center's Friday night dances. Before she arrived and helped install a strict policy and STRICTLY ENFORCED it, the event was very problematic for all involved and only attracted a few dozen kids each weekend. Now they have few difficulties and play to a packed house every Friday. The kids are actually having more fun and the local police claim even the juvenile crime rate is down on Friday nights!
The Bird of Prey
FTR,
I want to be perfectly clear. You are now claiming that you never visited an unintentionally unprotected non-public directory on this site and downloaded files of any kind? Is that correct?
The Bird of Prey
>>she is clearly a thinker and a capable communicator, and she stimulates thought with her posts
HUH?
Just an example from the last thirty days:
First
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=210737
Where she swears she never gives stock advice...
Then
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=228121
Where she recommends selling...now.
Though I will admit this behavior does stimulate bewilderment. And I wonder if you would retract your welcome should she decide that one of your boards covers a stock where the CEO was involved in a lawsuit. Well maybe not directly but it was his second cousin twice removed working for a comapny that went bankrupt because the CEO embezzeled comany funds while telling investors that all was well and sales were skyrocketing. And it was in 1985 too.
Of course she won't show up until the stock is on it's last legs and is hanging on by the thinnest of threads as it is. Would want to ruin her perfect record you know. She'd have a lot more credibility if she were to expose a scam BEFORE it dropped 75%! Where was she when Enron was doing it's thing?
On the way up she stands silent, and for most of the way down. She kind of reminds me of the King in Dragonslayer, after the dragon has been killed and all that remains is a smoking carcass, he shows up deposits the tip of his broadsword on the carcass and is declared Dragonslayer. PUHLEESE!!!
The Bird of Prey
>>So how do you solve that, without kicking out potential assets to the community?
Good question.
I believe you took the first step when you suspended Joe and when you suspended her the first time. However, like children, you sometimes have to reinforce the behavior modification with follow up discipline when the offender slips or decides to test your resolve. I believe that MMMARY has learned that you will do no more than a quiet PM once she has raised enough ruckus, even though she's violated TOU all she get's is a quiet PM. So she knows she can bend the rules (up to a point) and she pushes for all she's worth, it won't take long before Joe gets the same idea. The Key to real behavior modification is consistant enforcement. Once you've had to suspend someone they no longer should have the privilege of the quiet "be nice" PM. They are a repeat offender and should be treated as such. Continuing or resuming the activities that led to the first suspension should be dealt with harshly. A second offense should yield a longer suspension. If you so desire a third suspension should be longer still. I prefer a three strikes and your out rule, But you may be more lenient than I would. In any case, at some point you have to decide if the users potential is viable. If it isn't you cut them loose.
If all it took was potential Ryan Leaf would still be the starting QB for San Diego. And if performance was based on potential Kurt Warner would never have completed a pass in the NFL.
One last thing... I consider being accused of running a pyramid scheme being called a crook. Especially when there is no evidence to support the claim. I would also guess that several other users here would agree that her use of the term "paid promoter" is the equivalent of being called a crook. And she has used that term inreference to a number of IHUB regulars, some of whom aren't even promoter's much less paid promoters.
The Bird of Prey
Very interesting...
Yet, she still abuses a great number of people here at IHUB with the same rhetoric and hyperbole she uses at Yahoo or RB. You say you are following things on the NPCT thread. Go back and read the ASTN thread, you'll see the same pattern. Mary comes in calls everyone a crook, get ignored and calls everyone a crook again, gets deleted, cries foul and calls everyone a crook again...and from there things really get ugly.
You've suspended Joemoney (and rightfully so) for no greater offenses than MMMARY commits every day. Allowing her to continue unchecked insults all users here at IHUB. You did the right thing with Joemoney, you should do the right thing with MMMARY...
But you've been down that road with her before, and she came back doing the same thing as before. Based on that I guess we can all expect that Joe can continue with his old tricks as well, and that soon IHUB will be the new RB in every way...popular, lots of posts, but no real useful information.
I have bashed a few stocks myself (ask oldblue about AVBC) Never once was it necessary to call the longs crooks in cahoots with management. I despise toxic financing as much as any investor and agree with exposing it. But to dig back into someones past for more than 10 years and call them crooks because they were sued...(not convicted, not incarcerated, just sued) every day for weeks on end is not bashing, its abuse. And yes the first amendment does grant free speech, but it does not guarantee a place to say it.
You claim she is drawn into these fights by the longs, I disagree. Look closely at all of the arguments she is working, her strategy is to bait the longs and get a fight going. She is very good at it.
I do agree that it will always be a war of bashers vs. longs. But that war can be fought without disrespecting one's opponent.
If MMMARY were the victim here, Wouldn't Sara, muell,joelong, willywizard, xxrayeyes and the long list of folks that "don't like her" each have a long list of people that we've disrespected...at least as long as hers?
The Bird of Prey
Edit: Party like it's 1999 Grub.
Correction: Dared, not asked.
Also, since I don't have a pyramid scheme how can you post about it?
The Bird of Prey
I am laughing at your "superior intellect"!
I am obsessed with you? who's still doing Google searches?
Who's posting personal information about whom?
And who is calling whom a loser?
You couldn't spot a pyramid scam any better than you can a stock scam! Funny thing about pyramid scam, they are highly illegal and regularly busted by state and federal authorities. Show where I promote a scheme that is even being investigated as a possible pyramid scam before you start firing off that they are. As for selling games and collectibles, only you could find a way to make it sound cheap and dirty. I won't name names but a great number of highly successful companies are founded on the sales of games and collectibles.
I don't have to win arguments but insulting my opponent's possible appearance, or station in life. I don't have to call everyone that disagrees with me a liar or cheat or thief or con man. Those are your calling cards.
Question for the general public, Who is the real LOSER here?
Answer... MMMARY with a captal "L".
The Bird of Prey
Changed her Alias if memory serves it was mmmaryinla.
Gotta go now, will continue this tomorrow.
The Bird of Prey
In light of this being removed elswhere I will repost the following here. Feel free to link to it as a response to any attack by Ms MMMARY.
~*~UNPAID DD ON MMMARY~*~
Will it be necessary to take you to task every time you start in on people?
1. As MMMARY will tell you, she is smarter than everyone else. So smart in fact that she can tell that a stock can go in the toilet just because it's already down 75%+. this makes anyone with even a smidgen of hope for a turnaround a fool and therefore a free target of whatever abuse she sees fit to dispense.
2. Her basic position is that ALL OTC-BB issue are scams and doomed to bankruptcy. All officers of said companies are con men fleecing the public. All promoters of OTC-BB issues are also con men and are working in concert with the crooked CEO's to rob the small investor of his or her hard earned money.
3. ALL persons purchasing stock in OTC-BB companies are idiots and in need of her advice in order to avoid being "taken" by the aforementioned "criminals". That she dispenses this advice to persons already invested in the company, and usually down a significant amount is not a deterrent to her crusade. Any attempt at seeing the light at the end of the tunnel will be met with derision and scorn from the almighty goddess of anti-stock fraud.
4. She will not acknowlege or admit to her long term attachment to known short sellers who profit from the decline in an issues value as her campaign progresses. It has even been postulated that she may actually work FOR those she speaks most vehemently against since it is they who benefit most from her efforts.
5. There is no method or device too low for her to explore. If she can obtain your private information she will post it publicly, no matter who you are. Never, EVER, click on her personal website.
6. Prior to her role as IHUB's most hated basher, her previous web experience was that of Porn Queen. As for investment experience, she admits to having bought a few of the issues she bashes in small odd lots for the sole purpose of attending shareholder meeetings to harrass company officers.
7. In almost two years worth of posting and well in excess of 10,000 posts I have yet to see her say anything good about a OTC-BB company, it's officers or shareholders. It has been alleged that while sucking up to get a position at one company she did speak highly of it, but unfortunately those posts were deleted by Yahoo after her vindictive excesses that followed when she did not get the position she desired.
8. This crusade seems to have started when she was dumped by a boyfriend. in seeking retribution she decided to trash the public company he managed. she must have enjoyed the experience, she's been at it ever since.
9. She is apparently allowed free reign here at IHUB because she possesses an early draft of the business plan hacked from the site during the early days of it's beta testing. It seems the threat of her publicly releasing this information forces Matt to allow her to continually abuse people without fear of reprisal.
10. Be careful when battling her as she will attempt to bait you into TOU violations and force Matt to terminate your account.
I wish all users of IHUB and especially those that frequent the threads she haunts the best of luck in dealing with this plague that has been visited upon you.
The Bird of Prey
No problem publicly commenting.
It is part of the reason I came to IHUB in the first place. GABARD was already here and closely aligned with Matt. When the theft occured GABARD asked me to research her and go head to head with her. He had seen firsthand how I deal with her kind and thought I could help. Shortly after I arrived a deal was struck and It became a non-issue. But it is the only viable explanation for MAtt's obvious preferential treatment of MMMARY. As for when the theft happened I don't have specifics. I started in November of 2000, the theft was shortly before that, GABARD would have more details but he no longer posts here. Matt swears that it's no longer relevant but she still seems to get preferential treatment.
The Bird of Prey
Oh boy are we going to have fun over here, As a long time Dolphin fan I have no great love for any Patriots team from any year. And I am praying for a great second half for the Panthers.
Of course I have to admit that this wouldn't matter if Miami had actually shown up for just one road game in December.
HAve a great Day!
The Bird of Prey
Joe,
You should know by now that doesn't matter to MMMARY. kloock has a contrary opinion to hers and therefore must be discredited at any cost. According to MMMARY ANYONE speaking positively about a company on her "hit list" is a paid promoter. Facts are irrelevant. Truth is ignored. Only her opinion matters.
BTW, the only reason you get punished and not her is because she holds a business plan she hacked from the site over Matt's head, threating to make it public if he doesn't let her do what she wants and making him delete suspend or terminate her opponents. I am not saying that you hadn't earned a suspension, just that you shouldn't have been the only one.
Have a great Day!
The Bird of Prey
Alas, No. My handle predates tha book by almost 20 years. I do like his books though.
Originally I began using the handle during the mid seventy's CB radio craze. It referenced my continuing fascination with Falcons, Eagles, Owls and all of the other raptors. When I started college I began using the handle on the various bulletin boards. I quickly developed a reputation as being a somewhat formidable opponent in what are still referred to as "flame wars". One observer of a particularly nasty exchange commented that my handle must refer to the ultimate Bird of Prey, the mythical Dragon. Then Star Trek's introduction of the Klingon "Bird of Prey" clinched my permanent attachment to this handle. It fits perfectly in that it encompasses several of my areas of interest and can be descriptive of my personality as well. I certainly hope that your handle fits you equally well, for we need more wise eagles!
Have a great day.
The Bird of Prey
That wouldn't happen to be one of Rb's infamous "bird" bros. now would it?
Have a great weekend Frank...
I'm out.
The Bird of Prey
I have an idea.
Matt - "Oh no, not again!"
Bob - "What does he want this time?!!"
What about rating the boards on the number of board marks, posts made and date started? same as for peoples!
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
The Bird of Prey
Wasssa matter, not gettin any?
The Bird of Prey
KEWL
The Bird of Prey
I have had the same problem since Gary took a regular job. I have managed to speak with his daughter once or twice but he seems to never be at home much anymore. I am going to try again this weekend, If I reach him I tell him to shout your way.
BTW, if it wasn't for the website I would have forgotten what it tasted like already.
The Bird of Prey
In practice it already does that most of the time in that the site has enough activity that all of the boards on the list usually have posts from within the last 24 hours. What I mean is that the # of posts shown next to the board name indicate the number of posts made to that board in the last 24 hours( it currently shows total posts to the board). Might tip people to a particularly hot topic even if it isn't the #1 board on the list.
The Bird of Prey
Agreed, I too would like to since things work out. If for no other reason than widespread availabilty in grovery stores, not to mention long time shareholders.
The Holidays were good to me, it is god to have strong family ties. I hope you and yours had one as well.
The Bird of Prey