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I disagree. People were eating every piece of misinformation yesterday so fast that today there would be nobody holding shares but me IMO and I don't know how to make a market!
JMO,
N-
I agree. I wou8ld have never guessed money could effect people in the manner we are witnessing. That is one of the sad things here aside from "What ever happened to the concept of do unto others as you would have others do unto you?"
JMO,
Nez
EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO THEIR "HAPPY PLACES" AND JUST CONVINCE OURSELVES ANY MONEY WE LEFT IN bhub IS GONE. tHEN NO MATTER WHAT ANY BAD NEWS WIL BE OF A LESSER BLOW AND GOOD NEWS WILL BE THAT MUCH BETTER.
JMO,
Nez
OT
IMO,
This is a very rare and unique glimpse into the inner workings of both the Dark and Light side of human nature.
Much of the stuff we are seeing surface here today are the reason why if anarchy ever is allowed to break out,in our nation, it will be every man for himself...like we are seeing here.
JMO,
Nez
Thank you for the reply.
N-
Sell @ what pps?
Blue Stallion Shoe,
You make a really, neat post, IMO! This is investing history in the making and if folks have allowed themselves to over do their loss limits, at least credit it to a good lesson but IMO, one will compound the misery if they sell too low and before they are sure they can get back in during an unexpected turn and run-up. That would hurt more than just losing it, IMO.
IMO, history is worth losing some PK ear marked money I bet almost all of us had written off before we even placed a trade. Who ever first saw any information on PKs without a disclaimer of the huge risk and the need to use funds, which can be lost or are disposable? Heck, this is practically part of the definition of what PKs are! I did and was getting ready to move away from PKs but the chance to take part in a scenario like this, which is why I gave the PKs a try in the first place happened together with the chance, at great risk, to make some of my past PK losses back or lose it all anyway. I liken this situation to something like this; after losing my couple 100 bucks learning to play a card game,(I expected to as I never played cards before) walking by the $ 10.00 KA-BILLION DOLLAR SLOT, looking down and finding a 10 spot. After finding the $10.00 Bill, looking at the sign saying there was a $10M pot and no winner for over a year. I did what everyone would do, I put the 10 spot in for a chance I did not have before I found the bill and while I was leaving anyway.
Shoot, at least we can have some fun playing the market with a stock that is going to be remembered and will go BANG one way or another!!!! Do not know if this makes sense but I flipped the last of the PK allocated money into BHUB which is money I, JUST ASSUME IS GOING TO EVAPORATE . Getting a shot at a KA BILLION to ONE long shot is why I played the PKs along with wanting to have some fun while I was learning a little. I learned a lot more than I expected! I never got the chance at a "BAGGER" type stock while it was moving but I can't say that anymore so now I am just going to have fun and I will, regardless of the outcome, unless I let the parasites bother me as they bleed newbies. That is the only thing to take this chance at some excitement away from me.
JMO and I'll be here till there is no place left to be! See you all in the AM. Lets just have fun and we can have more fun by not becoming acidic with each other, IMO.
GLTA,
Nez
Very nice. I thought I was just getting paranoid or really frustrated.
You know, the old conspiracy theory thing?
Nez
HA!!!
You got me there but you would also be very dizzy right?
Nez
I lied, one last post...
DUHHHHHHH!
The device known as the telephone works great and it can be used all day andnight.
FWIW,
Nez
Last post as the intellectual stimulation here has worn me down...
Question; If someone had to sort through over, what 500,000,000 shares and remove the false ones without disrupting the whole system, wouldn't they try to slow thigs a tad?
To me it would be like trying to tighten lug nuts on your car as it is rolling down the driveway!
I think I would but that is JMO,
Nez
I have made up for a winters worth of steady declines in just BHUB over the past 3 days. Now the shares left are above and beyond the original investment.
I am confused by all this, "it is fake balony."
JMO,
Nez
Tim,
You're a poet! Did you know it?
Nez
IT'S A CON.
JMO been there done that,
Nez
There are maybe 10 people, (I say maybe 10 as there seems to be a few dishonest, multi aliases here) I would trust enough to be in a fox hole with or leave my dog with.
PITIFUl and JMO,
Nez
Wrong!!!!
Just people who have no business trading if they get so easily rattled, believe everything they read, don't want to make an effort to run down facts themselves, want to get rich over night with no effort and are world class snivelers who will believe every rumor and go sit in the closet with thier eyes closed rather than do some checking.
Talk about sheep and Lemmings!!!
PITIFUL! Thank God for the experienced who see the potential but also the risk.
JMO,
Nez
Why would someone with free shares take a chance on a flip when the altruistic broker may not trade them to protect the clients?
That to me is worse than a risk.
JMO,
Nez
Folks,
FWIW, I have seen this happen with select brokers before. I have ST and no problems.
Question; "could or would the brokers "suspend" trading to send a negative signal and cause panic?"
It would be a tricky, creative and effective way to scare the willies out of the PPS!
Don't some of these brokers, who do this sometimes, act a bit like MMs when necessary?
Just wondering and thinking out loud while reflecting on little experience.
JMO,
Nez
This is so cool! It is like being a mechanic and trying to establish parameters for a new diagnostic tool.
I could not ask for a better set up stock for "proving" than BHUB, for the time being.
JMO,
Nez
By the way, who was it that called those R and S lines? (I think that is what they were reffered to as)
TIA.
Guess I blew that one, ehhh?
It is almost as if a group watchs certian indicators and if they see improvemen, they stifle it ASAP so some shares are released.
Nez
LOOKS LIKE, FOR THIS CYCLE, WE ARE CLOSE TO WHAT I CALL A RECIPROCATION. JMO from a "work in progress.
Nez
Serf,
You are so right! Until the smooth, slow, SMAS curves I use, turns up at the same time as the fast group and crosses the slow group while, "Doing the tighten up", if today is anything like the last couple of days, slowly it goes down, until curve reverse and especially if the fast group of averages cross slow while groups are tight. Then look out.
IMO, it is just a matter of time. IMO also, many .0042 are going to MM's.
JMO,
Nez
alis,
You are member marked as this is exactly my thinking except I wasn't around for paiv. Your #s or (holdings), outlook and expectations are very similar to the conclusions I have arrived at as well and the overall way I have learned I[i/] must handle PKs.
IMO, there has to be much to be learned from you.
Thanks & Nite,
Nez
J4F,
That is such a good and obvious point. This is a profession that can cause pain and suffering due to human error so it just goes to reason that there would be a type of "malpractice" or "liability" insurance required.
Great point and timed almost perfectly. Here is a fact that should be repeated every other post!
JMO,
Nez!
J4F,
isn't it amazing how bashers have not changed thier tactics in such a long time?
I guess when something is ligit or is what it appears to be, there are only so many facts that are vulnerable to being spun or taken out of context and even outright lied about before you run out of material and end up having to repeat or recycle it.
JMO,
Nez
Serf you are a wise observant person. I have seen what you spoke of too many times for a newbie investor.
I truly hope I have learned my lesson. At least I'm holding a bag of free shares.
Night all,
Nez
I definitely have learned some great stuff on the PKs. The most important is to only play them if one is willing to look at any money that goes in and stays there after break even, as gone, burnt money.
This way you don't have anything to possibly do but gain! Regardless what happens!
IMO, BHUB, is now like a jelly fish wallowing in a very shallow pool of water after as the tide went out.
Only hope is that the Gulls don't see it and the water comes in ASAP.
The BHUB SNAFU SAGA and I will be in, with what I have let ride, till something positive happens or the jelly fish dries to nothing. The profits many said couldn't be made because as of yesterday it was too late, I now get to start investing in companies with real, accessible, business information.
No matter what happens with BHUB from here out, it's my Graduation Day and BHUB is either going to be a diploma on the wall or a sheet of toilet paper in the toilet!
TTYL,
Nez
What the Heck is it?????
Nez
OhGeez,
Isn't this more fun? Still have a representitive over there?
Nez
O.T.
Interesting IMO,
The following is cut and pasted from a board that impressed me on or about the 1st of the year when I found it due to the outrageously great calls “DF” (board moderator) and the gang there were making. The picks and commentary relating to future movement of the stocks really caught my attention. I’m sure many have seen this but it may be quite applicable here with BHUB. DF has it posted with other good information in his boards’ I-Box.
I have posted it on one or two other boards in the past so I don’t believe he minds. I don't want anyone to feel as if I am plagiarizing!
Everyone should “favorite” mark the board; DragonflyPicks, IMO. We can never learn too much or review worth while information too many times.
FWIW,
Nez
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=5966
MM games>
Example of MM supporting PPS stock northward:
Let's say that a stock (shell) has been lying quietly at $.25 bid $.50 offered. A limit order comes into one of the MMs to buy at $.50 for a thousand shares. Prior to this trade that MM may be flat (neither long nor short any shares). He fills the order and is now short 1,000 shares. He may raise his bid hoping to find a seller to flatten out his position. But before he realizes it a wave of buyers have come in and cleared out all the $.50 offers. Now the stock is $.50 bid .75 offered. Here comes that Big firm he just sold the 1,000 shares to at .50 with another bid for 1000 at .75. He makes this print. Now he is short 2,000 at an average of .625. The market keeps moving and now its .75 bid 1.00 offered. Now he has to make a decision. Just like investors, MM Hate to take a loss. So 9 times out of 10 he will now sell 2000 at 1.00 making him short 4000 but with an average .81. At this time he would love to see a seller at .75 so he can cover his short and make a few but instead the market keeps moving up. Now it is 1.00 to 1.25 and here comes the buyer again at 1.25. He doesn't want to lose the call so now he needs to sell 4,000 at 1.25 to keep his break even point above the bid. Now he is short 8,000. Market moves up to 1.25 bid 1.50 offer here comes the buyer now he feels he must sell 8000 here because stocks don't go up forever. Now he is short 16,000. And so on and so on. If the stock keeps moving up, before he realizes it he could be short 50k or 100k shares (depending how big his bank is). Finally the market closes for the day and on paper he may look all right in that his break even price may be around the closing price. But now he has to figure out how to entice sellers so he can cover this short. It is important to note that if this happened to one MM it has probably happened to most all of them.
Some ways MM's entice sellers:
1. Run the stock up with a tight spread in a fast market, then open up the spread to slow down the buying interest. After it has cooled off for a little while lower the offer below the last trade right after a small piece trades on the offer then tighten the spread so that the sellers feel they can take a quick profit by hitting the bid; on the tight spread. Once the selling starts the MM's will walk it down quickly by only making small prints on the way down with the tight spread.
2. Another way is by running the stock up in the morning, averaging up their short then use the above technique to walk it down in the afternoon. Hopefully, after doing this for several days, it will demoralize the buyers. The volume will dry up and the sellers will materialize thinking that the game is over. Contrary to popular opinion, MM usually Do Not Cover in Fast moving markets either Up or Down if they are short. They Short More. They usually try to cover after the frenzy is out of the market. There are many other techniques they use but the above are the most popular.
Here is the other from the same place and address.
Thanks DF
IMO, people are gambling and selling chunks to get into BHUB hoping the train won't leave before they get back or that there won't be a BHUB night mare.
JMO,
Nez
PS I think it is happening in a pretty broad fashion and I'll buy them as they let them go for a minute. Although it is kind of late in the BHUB game.
JMO,
GLTY,
Nez
Mr. BAMA,
After what we experienced over the winter, is not life good occasionally? I suggest we enjoy this one as long as possible because a "FUBAR" like this may not happen for quite awhile, if ever! The biggest goof here is that I looked over the situation die to a chart I saw over the weekend and got in today as a lark! Go figure.
Nez
O.T.
JT9,
A&P?
Nez or planejet
I doubt anyone missed this but if they did,
from the I-Hub board, http://www.investorshub.com/boards/Board.asp?Board_ID=94
Another BHUB AntandSons Update 4/7
http://www.antandsons.com/2007/04/bighubcom-investors-eagerly-await.html
Just in case it was missed.
This is really interesting whether you are in or not! It seems this is a rare occurrence and if you may be upset with yourself for not getting in then just watch a rarely seen occurrence if for no other reason than it is a rarity. Of course, it goes without saying, that we should do so without confusing or messing with other peoples emotions and minds as this is a very personal play, which is going to require as much clear thinking as participants can muster. Regardless of how one feels about how they personally handled BHUB, IMO, we should leave others alone so they can have the same chance to exercise their free will and make it or break it without distraction and if you are being distracted, go for the ignore button! This is what the game is about isn’t it? But shouldn't we be avoiding distracting those who are looking for any crumbs of DD they can find, by posting biased things as no one knows how this is going to play.
JMO,
Nez
Longhorn,
My wife and seem to remember July 20, 2007 for the first issued group.
FWIW,
Nez
JMO,
Based on my own efforts with my own school district (which I haven’t figured out yet), if you think politics in DC is complicated, try figuring out a local government structure and where the decision makers really are on the school board. It is almost like the saying “I’ll connect you to ext. XXX only to hear a message that someone will get back to you ASAP was invented by the secretaries!” Right! During the last snow storms it was a real task just trying to figure out which school was cancelled and which wasn’t. I’m talking about a twenty mile radius tops!
School board meetings here are attended by parents with their own agendas and everyone else’s be darned.
It is really amazing to see. I give ATWEC credit for making the progress deciphering these systems as far as they have and this, IMO, has to be one of the reasons for things going more slowly than first thought. Not only are school districts different from internal state counties but I can just imagine what the differences are between states. One would think you could just call a Mayor but no, we the people have to have our say even if it costs us in the long run.
JMO,
Nez
RVS,
I'm really starting to think you have the idea that if others suffer then your irreversible suffering will lesson. History says otherwise.
JMO,
Nez
PS - Any respect or credibility I had for you is gone and I made a huge mistake by not realizing that you have nothing better to do than bash without even owning shares. That’s….different. You have made #4 on the ignore list. Don’t waste your time responding to me as I have already made a butt out of myself for giving you the benefit of the doubt and even mistakenly thanking you for your hard work. I can be such a fool at times and this is one of them. Congratulations.
Nez
dmondial,
The post you found on Yahoo is also still on the ATWEC site.
That leads me to believe that it still has "legs" or significance, as I doubt very much a company would keep "advertising" a publicly announced plan that fell through.
Its one thing to find the story on an independent search engine but to have it on their web page would be like advertising the failured ventue. IMO, this is not what company web site is for but rather to show potentially positive developments and the company’s effort to keep them in the public eye!
(I don't know how much control over Yahoo stories ATWEC has but they certainly must have control over their own site, IMO!)
Also, I believe ohgeez pointed out, InvestSource website still has ATWEC posted on it. I missed it because I didn’t type in ATWT in the upper left corner and hit “search” but rather signed in. This was some time ago when I discovered that ATWEC was no longer on the front page, I called them and that is when I learned about the developments of ATWEC not renewing with InvestSource and that Chris would still be personally handling ATWEC’s account. I was also told both ATWEC and Chris still have good relationships with InvestSource. All of these points as well as the recent board discussions and speculations, all to my ignorant mind, point to a company that is working as it always had to grow and develop new opportunities. I think I remember reading about ATWEC being “birthed” from a “think tank” environment and I can’t envision a group of people sitting around just thinking about one product. It may well have been that the reason for the emphasis on the ‘Kidde Line” was the people involved felt that issue was of a higher human interest level and therefore would bring greater exposure, IMO.
Thanks dmondial for bringing the discussion back to solid ground and IMO, apparently initiating the connecting some important dots.
The following is a re-post of dmondial’s “Yahoo” post but this version is from the ATWEC site. I also have a feeling it is worth another read.
As far as financials and other filings go, I will leave that to the resident accountants as I am not qualified to give an opinion.
JMO,
Nez
http://www.atwec.com/news_details.php?nid=48
Go to news achieves on ATWEC’s site, third item down for following.
2006-10-31
ATWEC Technologies Announces Deals for Securities Division
ATWEC Technologies, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: ATWT) announced today its Security and Alarms Division has contracted to provide an electronic surveillance monitoring system for Parking Company of America Airport, LLC, the largest owner/operator of airport parking services in the United States. ATWEC will service Airport Fast Park in Memphis, Tennessee, one of fourteen nationwide PCA locations.
The monitoring system installed for PCA marks the beginning of the corporation’s expansion of its security and surveillance division. The contracts acquired by this division this quarter will generate upwards of $40,000 in revenue for the company.
Recurring revenue accounts for the division have climbed since ATWEC’s acquisition of a local alarm company in March, 2006. Residential security was central to the division when acquired, but commercial accounts have become the primary source of increased earnings. Projected revenues from the Security and Alarms Division for fiscal 2007 are approximately $500,000.
“The concurrent growth of the Child-Safety Products and the Security and Alarms Divisions are ensuring a bright future for the company as we continue to expand and grow our infrastructure,” said President/CEO Alex T. Wiley.
For more information on ATWEC Technologies, visit the company's web site: http://www.atwec.com/.
NOTE: Certain statements made in this press release are forward looking statements within the scope of the Private Securities Act of 1995. Such statements involve known and unknown risks. Uncertainties and other mitigating factors may influence desired outcomes. Such risks, uncertainties and/or other mitigating factors include but are not limited to new economic conditions, risks associated in product development, market acceptance of new products and continuing product demand, level of competition and other factors both known and unknown as described within this Company's reports and other filings with appropriate regulatory agencies.
Contact:
Chris Hoffmann
amechi,
I don't doubt it one iota! Like I said before, I wish I could be there with you. Show no mercy and take no prisoners!!!!
Nez