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no volume, no positive rumors, on a day when the market
is up big, you see what i see. it's discouraging that
interest in this company, despite all it seems to have
going for it, is almost non-existent. where are the techies?
the venture capitalists? where is waldo? proto's explanation
for the puny pps is complete bull according to the pros
i know. there is no interest of any kind from anyone. if deals
were percolating--ie. in discussion--there would be buzz.
people talk. except for message boards like this, the silence
is deafening. i'm only writing this because i'm nervous and
it helps to post. i still believe they've got something and
what they've got is very very valuable!
even naval is silent. he's a good guy, closer to chaz than
any of the rest of us. i believe his integrity is such that
he's not stringing us along with his tidbits, he's imparting
the little bit he's privy to. mostly that amounts to his
being snowed by chaz's vision. is there anything to chaz's
talk? the overwhelming preponderance of evidence says, no!
no, in thunder. we don't even know if chaz puts in real hours,
actually works at making ctdt more than an r&d pipedream. what
we do know is mr. snaper is very old and in his lifetime he
invented lots of things and that he has an office in las vegas
where he goes and does whatever it is he does. he might just
show up because he can and because he needs to get out of the
house. the fact he himself doesn't see fit to ever say anything
publicly about the company he's the major stockholder of, suggests
he's totally disengaged. it's too bad some smart greedy
competent business-person hasn't seen the opportunity to
make a lot of money and seized it. a lot more has been made with
a lot less plenty of times! oh well...
naval. can you tell us anything? anything?
could be.
or maybe an ointment for surfers that attracts sharks. naval is
impressed by chas' vision. kind of like somebody in hollywood
expressing enthusiasm for an idea: it's air, it means literally
nothing.
is chas waiting for snaper to die? what's he got in mind then?
the endless silence, the years of nothing doing. it's hard to
make no progress, unless the intention is hidden from investors,
the agenda is for some sort of private personal gain. of course,
it could simply be incompetence and/or not caring...
and so passes another week. month. year...
who cares what vein says? negative, positive, posts on a message
board. what do they have to do with anything? except as a way
for people to fraternize, to connect, to feel less alone, or give
themselves something to do. any person who has invested in this
company, whether it was today or 10 years ago has ample reasons to
believe and ample reasons to be skeptical. anyone who calls this
a scam is either a little whacky or has a manipulative agenda. the
people involved with this company are verifiably important people,
some even among the top in this field. they are people who would
recognize a scam immediately and wouldn't go near it with a ten foot
pole. but. if, like me you have invested an amount of money that
matters to you, and you're not worried, then you're very zen indeed.
dr. lebby's recent presentations, to my reading they sounded
very positive. yet, for all the technologically sophisticated people
who work in or follow developments in this industry, some of whom
have money, some of whom have a lot of money, some of whom are
associated with or work for small development stage companies or
huge companies with huge amounts of capital to invest, yet, pursuant
to dr. lebby's well-publicized and well-attended presentations, nothing, literally nothing has happened to either the volume or the pps. 68 cents and you suggest i shouldn't be concerned? not skeptical, concerned. it's my money i'm talking about, not yours!
naval. these lengthy silences. why doesn't chas tell us
what he's up to? okay, so nothing is going on worthy of
a pr; still, why not pass along to you a little info about
the headwinds he's encountering? something you can post
that costs nothing? it's been so very very long
naval, so very very long. hope you are thriving in your
ventures and in your life generally! it's been so very very long...
good reply. thanks.
good. i appreciate your perspective and boy do i hope
you're right!
there's no way of knowing anything here. naval is a young guy
who may or may not be savvy. can he read chas? chas who has
been spewing baloney seemingly forever, now for a long time
has fallen completely silent and inaccessible. does any business
executive who is on the up-and-up behave like he has? treat
shareholders as if they're bugs splat on the windshield of the vehicle he purchased with their money?
proto. i realize you think i'm a member of a manipulation team,
not just a guy who has so far lost a lot of money, a sizeable
portion of his investment. a guy who doesn't understand the science
but has learned a lot from posters like you. a guy who is worried
and a bit skeptical and will be until a deal or deals happen. a guy
who, when dr. lebby refers to the team as having excellent esprit
de corps, interprets that as, nothing is going to happen anytime
in the near future, but we're working hard, blocking out all the
noise, and keeping our spirits up despite the very difficult road
to success ahead.
anyway, i want to thank you for your unshakable positivity. i hope
this works out for all involved. that the lwlg team get rich and
we do well too. if there is nothing substantially new at ecoc,
how will you interpret that? meaningful or they just need more time
or something else?
what an intelligent post! thank you...
not that it matters, spelling isn't revealing of anything.
some of my favorite writers like f. scott fitzgerald could barely
spell cat; but anyway, you mean imminent, not eminent. imminent
means, about to happen. eminent means distinguished, famous in
some field or profession. immanent, that's something else again.
i thought you'd like to know, and because you took the time to
lay out the evio situation so clearly and accurately, i thought
i'd return the favor, albeit in miniature.
thanks again...
pumpkin please...obviously obviously obviously, from an
investor's standpoint this company is now where it's
been for nearly two decades.
but, from a scientific standpoint, they've achieved amazing
things. the evidence of that is inarguable.
will they make deals and make money? no one knows, no one.
thus, it depends on each investor's psychology whether
they see beyond the promise to commercial success, or whether
they believe there is no gold at the end of the rainbow.
i happen to believe the company is eventually going to prosper.
i've no idea when, but i believe it'll be quite awhile. besides
being brilliant, mr. lebby is a very positive and enthusiastic
person. so, as an investor, it's best to focus on results, not words. but isn't that always true?
your naysaying is a waste of time. maybe your agenda is to do
what you can to keep the pps low so you can buy more for less.
if that's the case, fine. deception is one factor when it
comes to stockmarket gambling, just as perception is.
otherwise, pumpkin please....
pumpkin please...obviously obviously obviously, from an
investor's standpoint this company is now where it's
been for nearly two decades.
but, from a scientific standpoint, they've achieved amazing
things. the evidence of that is inarguable.
will they make deals and make money? no one knows, no one.
thus, it depends on each investor's psychology whether
they see beyond the promise to commercial success, or whether
they believe there is no gold at the end of the rainbow.
i happen to believe the company is eventually going to prosper.
i've no idea when, but i believe it'll be quite awhile. besides
being brilliant, mr. lebby is a very positive and enthusiastic
person. so, as an investor, it's best to focus on results, not words. but isn't that always true?
your naysaying is a waste of time. maybe your agenda is to do
what you can to keep the pps low so you can buy more for less.
if that's the case, fine. deception is one factor when it
comes to stockmarket gambling, just as perception is.
otherwise, pumpkin please....
i like the cut of your jib, sir!
sounds about right beginning to end. rather discouraging.
i'll try to minimize any frustration and sourness by putting on blinders for a few months.i'll probably regret not buying
at this depressed pps, but right now i'm better off keeping
my spirits up, than putting more money where my hopes are.
good luck to all...
very well said!
i've allowed my impatience and the lengthy silence get
to me, but i fundamentally agree with this analysis and
perspective. i should keep my emotions in check from
here on out, as there are a number of people on this board,
especially proto, who've done very well to keep the
central issues of this rather amazing little company
front and center...
so true!
those here who desperately continue to believe no matter what
happens and what doesn't happen, that's human nature. andy is
so massively incompetent and, if not corrupt, then fooled about
himself to the point of completely whacky. the existence
of santa claus is more likely than biel suddenly doing business
in a manner that might possibly lead to a degree of success that
gave shareholders a chance to make some money.
go biel. are you kidding? (no, sadly you're not!).
thanks for the clarification.
since you are not a paid employee, you're not bound by any laws
or restrictions. i understand you may have your own reasons for
not commenting on what else i've tendered. i'm appreciative of
your willingness to offer anything, information or opinion.
one question. are you an investor in ctdt--do you own stock?
this is not proprietary, and it will not influence my own decisions
with regard to ctdt, but i am curious.
have yourself an excellent weekend, naval, and thanks again!
thanks for the quick reply, naval. (naval nomad is a very cool
moniker).
i must say, your phrase, '...and i don't think it will be
anytime soon.,' is, perhaps unintentionally, quite ominous.
it's impossible for us investors, outsiders that we are, to
even begin to truly decipher what the problems are. if they've
got a real working tech, why can't they either borrow the money,
bankroll the start-up themselves, partner-up, or raise funding
from the myriad sources constantly on the lookout for opportunity?
if only there was some transparency. if only.
and why doesn't mr. snaper throw his weight around. does he
actually care about whether his invention bears fruit? he's such
an accomplished guy, wouldn't it be nice for him to see his
company florish, as another feather in his cap?
naval, does this mean ctdt is most likely kaput? how much time and energy is he or anyone really putting into it? are the filings
going to be made and if not, why not? you said i was half right:
which half?
thanks for taking the time and good luck to you in general!
here's the deal. the alleviation of pain is one of the greatest
human needs and desires. there is a multi, multi billion dollar
market of products whose purpose is to limit pain. there is a
well-publicized opioid epidemic. rampant addiction and emergency
rooms flooded and some deaths. biel produces safe, effective products that not only alleviate but a certain percentage of the time, remedy the source. without any side effects! so good are
these products that the very difficult and rather mysterious
overlord, the fda, has seen fit to approve of the products
on two separate occasions, involving two separate filings,
for 2 vast pain situations that affects millions of people. wow
and wow again.
but. there is a family that owns and manages the products, the
manufacture, the marketing, and the selling. this family, along
with a small group of insiders, has been selling billions of shares
of the company every year for many years. they live well, the
income they derive from the business is secure and substantial.
they are providing the public with wonderful products so it's
no trick at all to rationalize the actions they take and don't
take that maintain a certain status quo that includes a pps that
is very very low, ludicrously low, unless you're selling huge
numbers of shares. so, you do just enough, make just enough effort
and progress--like the two fda approvals--to keep things going
just the way they have for umpteen years. except for a small
number of very savvy, very active investors, the majority of investors get shafted and get to do what most investors always do:
make no money while keeping their hopes and their dreams and their
greed alive and kicking. relatively pain-free!
as the world turns...
i would bet serious money they won't file. what chas et. al.
are up to is all too common and has robbed the coffers of
countless investors like us--filled with hope, blinded by greed,
acting out of emotion instead of rationality. naval seems like
a decent guy, and one of these months, he'll message us a post
about how he did his best, he wanted this to work out for
everybody, he didn't himself profit one red cent,
but but but...the reasons he gives won't matter. mr. snaper,
he's accomplished a very great deal in his life. presiding over
a business, in this case ctdt, that's not who he is, what
his great talents are about. oh well...
think we'll hear anything from chas or naval before labor day?
you'd think mr. snaper would feel enough urgency to push for results. you'd think.
when you say, worked so hard, what do you mean? i'm not
slandering these guys, the guys connected to centaurus, but
the likelihood that after all these years something will happen
that equates to a real company doing real business...what do you
really think it is? i know several dozen businessmen and women who
could go into the offices and in a matter of hours determine whether
the whole thing was a non-starter or what needed to be done if
there was something worthwhile there. then, they'd roll up their
sleeves and get to work and within weeks we on the outside would
get wind--through prs or social media etc.--of all kinds of real
movement. genuine progress towards being a legitimate business
doing business...
dream on, there's is nothing wrong with dreaming or wishing, it's
in its way as important a currency as money.
i thought naval would be helpful. maybe there
is just no such thing. the months and years that
pass without anything actually connected to revenue
or to running a company in a way that could be
called professional, it just does not happen. no
one except chas knows anything decisive and whatever
that might be, he's not telling. i'm pretty sure at
this point that there is no there there...
agreed.
as for others here, it's been so long. frustration prompts me,
though i know the best course is to keep quiet...
what does anyone think management is doing while there is literally
no business going on? the pps doesn't reflect naked short sellers, or toxic financing, it reflects the fact that they've done zero
business and there is no actual basis for thinking they will. some
other company would've expressed interest in them by joining forces
or buying a piece if they had anything that could be monetized.
proto's posts are actually proof of all this--if things lined up
the way he tirelessly describes them, all manner of entities and
investors would be falling all over themselves to be involved...
does anyone make a concerted effort to contact anyone inside
the company? are they still doing business? are glauser and waldorp
impossible to reach?
things look worse and worse. nothing you say matters. only deals,
only revenue matters and at this point they're looking less and less likely. you put together a story, cherry-picking quotes and
science and speculations about the future, and all it amounts to is
the most conceivable positive spin. in the meantime, no company has
shown meaningful interest, no investors have been drawn to this incipient opportunity. i blame only myself for getting sucked in,
especially since there were plenty of smart people telling me beware. what a drag...
gramps, have appreciated your rock-solid optimism. but. the way
things have gone these last months, i find it almost impossible
to believe our retreative ceo isn't either seriously incompetent
or self-deluded or both. i don't want to think he's a crook, but
that possibility, while less likely, is at least possible. i'm
not trying to affect your opinion, i'm merely blowing off a little
steam of my own. i've used the product and it works very well, so
between that and a well-publicized opioid crisis, it's pretty dismaying biel couldn't do better, a lot better.
naval. you've been such a resource. would it be asking
too much for you to reassure us that the announcement
about the tailings isn't bogus? a ploy characteristic of
penny stock companies to keep investors? i don't know what
form that reassurance would take, but i think of you as smart
and a straight-shooter so you wouldn't have too much trouble
coming up with something. like you, we long-timers have been
in the dark about the genuine viability of ctdt for so long,
isn't there some tidbit of information that could shed a glimmer
of light without breaking the law?
what a fine informative email. thank you!i put a lot of store, too much probably, in how clearly someone expresses themselves in writing, and you sir, are excellent. so much so that your post gave
me enough of a confidence boost to buy a few thousand more shares.
again, thanks.
proto. aren't you worried at all that the stock hasn't moved anywhere but incrementally down this close to the asm? if they had any meaningful news to report--that is, deals--wouldn't there be
movement? regardless of how tightly zipped up they are, what about
any partner? news leaks, people take advantage...i myself am expecting nothing, except a consequent big drop in the pps. that's
why nobody is buying...
and why would that be? is there a time when promoting interest
is a negative? my experience with them is that there are long periods of silence because there isn't anything to report. wait
and see is the only mode i've been in with them...
another week. next week is another. etcetera. if only naval would or could break the silence.
this company is not a company yet. will it become one or not? none
of us have any idea. that's the rub. it would have been decent of naval to follow-up his last communication. he must have a pretty good idea what this interminable waiting is like; he's had to do plenty of it himself.
as april turns to may, may to june, june to july, etc. we'll be here, won't we, us few, who for reasons very much our own, keep our ears out for the thundering silence we're treated to season after season, year after year.
i've got 5 million.
i think it's strange and pretty crazy that there are a number of
people who spend considerable time and energy either calling biel a pos or saying how great it is when it's traded around .0008 for a long time. that the product has helped me and a number of people i
know is very significant for us personally, but it has little if anything to do with whether the company can be successful or will
go bottom's up. the way biel is run causes me to think the latter is more likely than the former. to date, i've lost 60-plus% of my investment and anticipate losing the rest. this would be a shame both financially and because my experience tells me the products could benefit a huge number of people. i realize that what i have to say adds nothing to the 'discussion,' and that i've opened myself
up to getting slammed by both sides. pretty stupid of me, yet also fitting when you consider how long the battle of opinion between bielievers and disbielievers has been going on and how little has
changed in terms of the sad pps. (i understand that there are a good
number of investors who've made money buying the lows and selling the highs--mostly i'd speculate it's members of the whelan family and a few 'insiders' who've profited). oh well. glta longs!
smart isn't the same as intelligent, articulate has nothing to do with perceptive or insightful. you're smart, you're articulate, i hope you do well. who're you folks who spend so much time explaining lwlg trying to convince? yourselves? i bought and turned several others onto the company after doing a good bit of research and right
now i wish i'd kept it to myself. i've learned from you guys, especially proto, now you just make me nervous, your defensiveness,
makes me nervous. it's my fault for reading you. i'm outta here.
as i said, good luck...