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so. what makes you thinking anything will happen? after all
this time? with all the absurd problems? if the tech was real,
you honestly think something wouldn't happen? people love to
make money, somebody would find a way to do it if there was
something to this...
what on earth causes you to proclaim prs coming soon and
the chill will be lifted? public companies have a responsibility
to periodically inform their shareholders what is going on.
they might spin it to a degree it has little connection to reality
and they might outright lie, but they do not go completely
silent. do you know how long it's been since anyone in management
or related to management has communicated a single thing? chas
is living his life, a life that includes holding the unpaid job
of ceo of ctdt. maybe he uses it on dates to impress, maybe he
uses it to keep himself positive about himself, maybe it helps
his sense of self when he socializes. but after all these years with
exactly zero of any concrete meaning to show for any actual work,
after failing to even communicate lies or failure or headwinds,
it's safe to say there is zero substance to his position, zero
prospects for the company he uses as some sort of facade. oh well,
what the hell...
thanks longtrailer. i wish you well.
but i have a different read on the whelans and feel like
a dope for investing in the first place and am not about
to throw good money after bad. i invested because i used
the product, was greatly helped by it, then recommended it
to others who were also helped. this is not a way to invest
and i have paid a price for my foolishness. the whelans
have yet to do a single thing that would suggest they care
about those they make money off of by selling 100s of millions
of shares whenever they can. it takes mere hours to write
the prs and do whatever else to keep enough investors
buying--if you could make a nice living this way and were
either able to fool yourself--we help 1000s of pain sufferers--
or were lacking in integrity, wouldn't you?
people/companies don't change unless they're forced to,
or are willing to work very hard at it.
the whelans? are you kidding? they'll ride this out making
the most they can with literally zero regard for shareholders.
they might actually despise shareholders--that's what
their actions for 15 years conspicuously show.
i've lost 70% of my investment, it'd shock me if the other
30% didn't evaporate. how in the world do some of you guys
maintain the hope you do? i wish i was more like you, it's
a happier way to live...
anyone try contacting biel? kelly?
who hasn't? chas has no ability to do business. he couldn't have
monetized facebook or microsoft. he's a big talker who probably
smoke a lot of pot and hangs out fantasizing. it's years of
nothing doing...snaper has zero interest in business. he's a very old very accomplished guy who feels zero responsibility to shareholders and has no need of money. what an all around shame!
no.
they're just gradually divesting in order to make what they
can without getting in trouble. they're too small to really
go after when the market is teeming with big fish corruption, but
they've still got to be careful, as they've been on the radar
before and you just never know...
i use actipatch and am grateful for it. i do not invest in
companies like biel. there are as great differences between otc companies that operate by dilution, as there are between companies on nasdaq and nyse that do not. there are good managers, terrible
managers, corrupt managers, and everything in-between. i definitely
hope you make money with biel, because unlike 99.9% of companies,
they do something for me that i really appreciate.
but, as i said...
it's too amazing. who do you think is selling? what would
it take for you to realize what's been going on here for
more than a decade? bankruptcy? probably not. no announcement
of any kind from the whelans for weeks and weeks, months, while they
sell billions of shares in the low trips? probably not. it's
too amazing.
hawk and others. it is the right, almost perfect time for
these terrific products, but so what? life is what you make
of it. it can be fantastic, exhilarating, endlessly interesting,
worthwhile, and filled with purpose and deep satisfactions; or, it
can be painful, miserable, empty, boring, repetitive, and virtually
unbearable.
this company is like life. 5 days now after the funeral with no
announcement about a new leader...how perfectly in step with
what came before under the old leadership.
many assume there will be a new management team. biel gave
andy something to do, a purpose, an office to go to. that may
have been all that mattered. with him gone, nothing would surprise
me--except some action that benefitted the shareholders off whose
backs the whelans have lived for a long time. if i thought there was
one chance in ten that solid business decisions would be forthcoming
i'd be buying like crazy. and so would all you long-suffering
bielevers running on the fumes of hope...it's ironic that the products decrease suffering yet we who support the company's
existence suffer in trips without remedy...
naval is out, happy in his new job, not involved at ctdt at all.
chaz either is or he isn't, making real, significant moves, that is.
so?
if anyone here is expecting a solid business decision that
doesn't hurt us shareholders you haven't been here all these
long years.
here's my guess. kelly will unload a few hundred million shares
through friends etc., then there will be an announcement that is
perfectly in keeping with business as usual, trips as usual.
excuses and explanations will fly--as usual, as will protests
and condemnations--as usual.
things don't change around here because the family that controls
this company and its excellent products have a good thing going.
that includes justifying themselves and rationalizing like crazy
about all the people actipatch has helped reduce pain or even act
as a healer. they imagine themselves to be the good guys, at the
very same time as they fail the company and screw us investors.
to them, we're lucky to be a contributing part to such a worthy
venture. they toast us with martinis and guinesses at nice restaurants. have the ribeye kelly, i hear it's really good here...
very well said! apples very rarely fall far from the tree. if kelly
doesn't name herself, it won't be somebody the whelans can't keep
under thumb. the market has seen into them for years, investors
have been consequently screwed. that'll continue. kelly throws
a fit whenever their integrity is questioned. where there's
smoke, there is nearly always fire...
thank you jd! much appreciated. i'm sticking also...
thank you. i know you are trying to be helpful! i do not have
any prior relationship with him. my post was meant as a question
to those who've spoken and emailed him for years, but for a long time now either have stopped interacting or are keeping their
communications to themselves. chaz himself has gone dark also
for a very long time. what's he going to say to some stranger investor, that is, if i could raise a response to begin with?
since you have the info, why haven't you used it, for example?
aren't you a little curious?
buy some at .30. what's the diff? has anyone even tried to
reach out to chaz or is that now considered futile? is there
any way to even try?
yes simpsonly, yes. my guess is biel is finished. the whelans kept
it going because it has been a cash cow for them at the expense of
investors. now, they'll sell out and be gone. andy's purpose was
running biel, managing the cash cow--none of the others want
to spend their life that way. the likelihood they'll do what you say, which is absolutely necessary, is infinitesimal.
it could be ibex selling, it could be the family unloading. i'll bet
it's them.
people talk proto. if any deal is even within shouting distance
i'll be shocked. there is nearly always buzz. even before social
media, the slightest whisper, the market visibly reacted. now?
forget it. wildfire.
i'm not down on them at all. i think they're working their tails
off. but the total lack of volume, that speaks volumes.
you really think their virtual blackout silence with regard to
business progress or action is a good thing? outside of a few
message boards like this, and a few nice quotes by dr. lebby and
leonberger, and the bigshots you cite tirelessly, there is not so
much as the sound of a pin dropping.
btw. i realize this post serves no purpose other than giving me something to do with my worry. patience is the only thing now that
matters to us outsider investors. we'll know when we know, and
not one minute before...
glta
my guess: we'll never hear directly in pr form from chaz or the company again.
he's otherwise occupied, though because he's one of those
huckster-types, he'll pop-up with proclamations-explanations
on social media sometime. maybe after smoking a doobie or whatever
it is that he does.
snaper? he's on snooze control. he's earned it, though it's too
bad for us investors...
someone is selling the 6s. who do you think that is? right after
kelly's strong positive letter. why do you think that instead
of a quick surge to 0008 or 0009, it's depressed into the 6s?
okay. thanks to you and thanks to proto. i believe you.
good luck to us all, investors and lwlg employees alike. both
with regard to the success of lwlg, and all other ways!
proto. with all your insight, all your knowledge, is there no
way for you to reach out to someone in management at lwlg and
simply say, 'we're amazed and impressed by your achievements,
i only want to make sure you are aware that there is a handful of loyal,longterm, and very longterm investors who are increasingly
nervous about the llc situation and the minimal communication
about business developments that might have an impact.' obviously,
they cannot reveal proprietary information, but in my opinion
it is naive to assume dr. lebby et al are aware of the worry
and restlessness shareholders feel. besides all you already do,
wouldn't it be good if you were able to stimulate some
sort of direct response from someone inside? all the energy you
spend explaining and interpreting and reading between the lines,
it is admirable; couldn't you also nudge the company to throw us a
bone, even a wishbone?
miracle schmiracle.
anyone with real business experience/savvy, anyone with
real stockmarket experience/savvy knows what it would take.
it's so amazing after 10-plus years, there are all these
people looking at a hole in the dirt and seeing a goldmine.
if the whelans were completely separated from biel, and it somehow
wound up in good honest hands, who knows?
maybe then. possibly. unbelievable upsets do occur. people do cash
lottery tickets. unforeseeable longshots do come in. catching lighting in bottle?
kelly whelan? yeah sure. miracle schmiracle...
a bottle
now, the family is selling off? again...
you all, andy and his family have lived very comfortably
for years doing whatever they could to enrich themselves
at the expense of investors like me. you all make it sound
like he was this great guy determined to bring this wonderful
product to a needy world. he was a guy with a very good
thing going, a business with a product that would've helped
millions more people if he'd either been a good manager or
if he really wanted to change a status quo that worked very
nicely just the way it was--shareholders be damned. the complete
lack of a plan for succession? par for the course. some here
are comparing him to steve jobs. are you kidding! andy may have
been a better man to those close to him, i've no idea, i just know
jobs was no picnic, but as a person leading a business? are
you kidding?
no volume, no positive rumors, on a day when the market
is up big, you see what i see. it's discouraging that
interest in this company, despite all it seems to have
going for it, is almost non-existent. where are the techies?
the venture capitalists? where is waldo? proto's explanation
for the puny pps is complete bull according to the pros
i know. there is no interest of any kind from anyone. if deals
were percolating--ie. in discussion--there would be buzz.
people talk. except for message boards like this, the silence
is deafening. i'm only writing this because i'm nervous and
it helps to post. i still believe they've got something and
what they've got is very very valuable!
even naval is silent. he's a good guy, closer to chaz than
any of the rest of us. i believe his integrity is such that
he's not stringing us along with his tidbits, he's imparting
the little bit he's privy to. mostly that amounts to his
being snowed by chaz's vision. is there anything to chaz's
talk? the overwhelming preponderance of evidence says, no!
no, in thunder. we don't even know if chaz puts in real hours,
actually works at making ctdt more than an r&d pipedream. what
we do know is mr. snaper is very old and in his lifetime he
invented lots of things and that he has an office in las vegas
where he goes and does whatever it is he does. he might just
show up because he can and because he needs to get out of the
house. the fact he himself doesn't see fit to ever say anything
publicly about the company he's the major stockholder of, suggests
he's totally disengaged. it's too bad some smart greedy
competent business-person hasn't seen the opportunity to
make a lot of money and seized it. a lot more has been made with
a lot less plenty of times! oh well...
naval. can you tell us anything? anything?
could be.
or maybe an ointment for surfers that attracts sharks. naval is
impressed by chas' vision. kind of like somebody in hollywood
expressing enthusiasm for an idea: it's air, it means literally
nothing.
is chas waiting for snaper to die? what's he got in mind then?
the endless silence, the years of nothing doing. it's hard to
make no progress, unless the intention is hidden from investors,
the agenda is for some sort of private personal gain. of course,
it could simply be incompetence and/or not caring...
and so passes another week. month. year...
who cares what vein says? negative, positive, posts on a message
board. what do they have to do with anything? except as a way
for people to fraternize, to connect, to feel less alone, or give
themselves something to do. any person who has invested in this
company, whether it was today or 10 years ago has ample reasons to
believe and ample reasons to be skeptical. anyone who calls this
a scam is either a little whacky or has a manipulative agenda. the
people involved with this company are verifiably important people,
some even among the top in this field. they are people who would
recognize a scam immediately and wouldn't go near it with a ten foot
pole. but. if, like me you have invested an amount of money that
matters to you, and you're not worried, then you're very zen indeed.
dr. lebby's recent presentations, to my reading they sounded
very positive. yet, for all the technologically sophisticated people
who work in or follow developments in this industry, some of whom
have money, some of whom have a lot of money, some of whom are
associated with or work for small development stage companies or
huge companies with huge amounts of capital to invest, yet, pursuant
to dr. lebby's well-publicized and well-attended presentations, nothing, literally nothing has happened to either the volume or the pps. 68 cents and you suggest i shouldn't be concerned? not skeptical, concerned. it's my money i'm talking about, not yours!
naval. these lengthy silences. why doesn't chas tell us
what he's up to? okay, so nothing is going on worthy of
a pr; still, why not pass along to you a little info about
the headwinds he's encountering? something you can post
that costs nothing? it's been so very very long
naval, so very very long. hope you are thriving in your
ventures and in your life generally! it's been so very very long...
good reply. thanks.
good. i appreciate your perspective and boy do i hope
you're right!
there's no way of knowing anything here. naval is a young guy
who may or may not be savvy. can he read chas? chas who has
been spewing baloney seemingly forever, now for a long time
has fallen completely silent and inaccessible. does any business
executive who is on the up-and-up behave like he has? treat
shareholders as if they're bugs splat on the windshield of the vehicle he purchased with their money?
proto. i realize you think i'm a member of a manipulation team,
not just a guy who has so far lost a lot of money, a sizeable
portion of his investment. a guy who doesn't understand the science
but has learned a lot from posters like you. a guy who is worried
and a bit skeptical and will be until a deal or deals happen. a guy
who, when dr. lebby refers to the team as having excellent esprit
de corps, interprets that as, nothing is going to happen anytime
in the near future, but we're working hard, blocking out all the
noise, and keeping our spirits up despite the very difficult road
to success ahead.
anyway, i want to thank you for your unshakable positivity. i hope
this works out for all involved. that the lwlg team get rich and
we do well too. if there is nothing substantially new at ecoc,
how will you interpret that? meaningful or they just need more time
or something else?
what an intelligent post! thank you...
not that it matters, spelling isn't revealing of anything.
some of my favorite writers like f. scott fitzgerald could barely
spell cat; but anyway, you mean imminent, not eminent. imminent
means, about to happen. eminent means distinguished, famous in
some field or profession. immanent, that's something else again.
i thought you'd like to know, and because you took the time to
lay out the evio situation so clearly and accurately, i thought
i'd return the favor, albeit in miniature.
thanks again...
pumpkin please...obviously obviously obviously, from an
investor's standpoint this company is now where it's
been for nearly two decades.
but, from a scientific standpoint, they've achieved amazing
things. the evidence of that is inarguable.
will they make deals and make money? no one knows, no one.
thus, it depends on each investor's psychology whether
they see beyond the promise to commercial success, or whether
they believe there is no gold at the end of the rainbow.
i happen to believe the company is eventually going to prosper.
i've no idea when, but i believe it'll be quite awhile. besides
being brilliant, mr. lebby is a very positive and enthusiastic
person. so, as an investor, it's best to focus on results, not words. but isn't that always true?
your naysaying is a waste of time. maybe your agenda is to do
what you can to keep the pps low so you can buy more for less.
if that's the case, fine. deception is one factor when it
comes to stockmarket gambling, just as perception is.
otherwise, pumpkin please....
pumpkin please...obviously obviously obviously, from an
investor's standpoint this company is now where it's
been for nearly two decades.
but, from a scientific standpoint, they've achieved amazing
things. the evidence of that is inarguable.
will they make deals and make money? no one knows, no one.
thus, it depends on each investor's psychology whether
they see beyond the promise to commercial success, or whether
they believe there is no gold at the end of the rainbow.
i happen to believe the company is eventually going to prosper.
i've no idea when, but i believe it'll be quite awhile. besides
being brilliant, mr. lebby is a very positive and enthusiastic
person. so, as an investor, it's best to focus on results, not words. but isn't that always true?
your naysaying is a waste of time. maybe your agenda is to do
what you can to keep the pps low so you can buy more for less.
if that's the case, fine. deception is one factor when it
comes to stockmarket gambling, just as perception is.
otherwise, pumpkin please....
i like the cut of your jib, sir!