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Yeah Johnny, wait til they find out all those concerts are Sturgis with KR and Willie!
Daytona, MB, SD.............................
Well, it was taken off here once. I'll put it up again because it is totally on topic. When I tried to get in touch with folks this week to talk about whatever and so on, the response was to my liking. They were swamped beyond belief.
Near as I can tell now, we have a 25+ year veteran of the liquor business, a 25+ year verteran of the beer business, the former CEO of Bloomingdales, a board member of Tropicana Europe, a senior exec with WMG, several former employees and a VP of Anheuser Busch, a former Senior VP of Coke, four Venture Capitalists, a senior exec with Ketel One, and former broker dealer reps/analysts with four big firms including GS, MS, BSC, and LEH.
All are shareholders in DKAM.
I think that "trumps" any body else calling a sell or a flip. I'll go with the hold for a buyout please Alex.
I'll say it again. It is freakin 24 cents. Reality check and perspective rating. Hello??
The stock closed at 24 cents today.
Let's see how long it takes for this bit of information to be off topic.
I have seen no one on the internet saying Labatt is 99% a done deal.
Even here, we have only talked about how it's possible for them to go after it. Nobody has said they got it.
I now would have to ask how you happen to know it is a 99% done deal when as I say it is not "all over the internet?"
Interesting note to say the least forwarded. It describes in detail purchasing a certain beer company and going on this false tyrade of selling at .24 while all the while buying and accumulating .15 to .24. Great job. Amazing. Simply amazing. Explains so much now.
That is correct. I asked Jason at the ASM meeting about just that. He said record still in tact. No insider sells.
As for those all peeved about not seeing a Violator PR from the company you should never stray too far from your trademarks. "We need to hear 50 Cent from the CEO. We need this. We need that."
I cannot believe nobody drew the correlation that Kenny announced the Violator deal on the CC, along with Glory and Glory Diamond, and it didn't raise eyebrows. Violator formed its own interest called Violator Imports, LLC for the purposes of this JV with Kenny.
Nothing was announced about Violator and Violateur. Those would be your 50 Cent products and thus the delay in the PR with its general mentioning at the onset.
All this, of course, is my considered and respected opinion. LMAO!
All this if you pay the ask! lol
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Actually, it is 21100 over the past two days on DKAM. Nothing serves the heart prouder than seeing a few daily commissions get chewed up in the process on a GTC. In fact, L3 shows not many left and only one seller at .24 as it should be. Was just .27 and the market has turned for good. I'm looking at management and insiders holding in the neighborhood of 40 million shares. Still not a single one has ever sold a share. I would imagine they assume 300% growth, acquisitions, Kid Rock Beer, icons, new introductions, and an eventual buyout to be worthy of such an action over participating in an overpriced advertising coup that won't have the viewership that was originally anticipated.
I said that when Kenny came out with the SL that there would be those, how do I put it delicately? You can't....that would show up with a stop watch. Another prediction come true. Sadly.
Just as a point of order that needs to be made since we're creating aliases faster than they print shares in Germany. The caller who called in asking about Labatt and Wild Turkey was undoubtedly with a hedge fund, as in "partners." Hedge funds pay for inside information all the time. In fact, they demand it. Just Google Stephen Cohen Business Week. He will blatently state he pays for information way before the street gets it. In fact, he demands it or he'll take his business elsewhere. They don't have to file anything and they don't have to answer to the SEC. Another thing that needs fixin with this new administration. So if a rumor starts with any substance, it usually comes from the hedge fund community. Nobody is saying anything about inside information. The trails keep leading us to everything we've found up to this point. And what difference really. The market could care less here until there is increased sales and profits. If it comes overnight, so be it. It will come, it's just a matter of who waits the longest.
In the long run, I see the sparkling vodka potentially being worth $1B, the Trump brand being worth $1B, and Kid Rock beer being worth many billion, but lets just use $1B, so that totals $3B, with about 100M shares out, that's $30 a share.
Pump. Not fair to newbies as you state.
Now let's say we buy Labatt, which is a regional beer in the U.S., and it takes 100M shares at $1(I believe it will be a lot more shares but I'm using sneaky's number),
Now you corroborate the implications of the future only to turn around a few hours later and blast anyone who discusses it.
This stock will be at $1 when someone decides they want 2-5 million shares, selling 100M shares at $1 is just plain stupid when we have brands coming out that should in the long run propel what's already in hand to $20-$30+.
Again, reinforcing the pump so newbies think this is even more affirmation that $30+ is coming.
Some will say that I'm complaining that the stock will only top out at $10 in the long run if Drinks makes this acquisition and has to use 300M shares to do it, but that is still a 4000% gain from here, but that's not my point, my point is that nobody should be allowed to buy 100M shares of DKAM at $1 for any reason at this point, if they want to pay $5 a share for a huge amount of off the market shares, I'm okay with that, but to only pay $1 and get to come in with the whole story about to unfold in a minute just isn't fair to us shareholders this late in the game.IMO
Doing business and talking future business is OK as long as nobody gets a good deal. I'm gald we're seeing loudy clear now.
Posted by: cautionupahead Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:50:09 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 29435
Here's my take on Labatt: I hope we don't buy it! In the long run, I see the sparkling vodka potentially being worth $1B, the Trump brand being worth $1B, and Kid Rock beer being worth many billion, but lets just use $1B, so that totals $3B, with about 100M shares out, that's $30 a share. Now let's say we buy Labatt, which is a regional beer in the U.S., and it takes 100M shares at $1(I believe it will be a lot more shares but I'm using sneaky's number), now that $3B is divided into 200M shares, so we're looking at $15 a share instead of $30, but here's the kicker, those lucky investors that get to buy 100M shares at $1 don't even care about the Labatt purchase, that's just icing on the cake, because what they really get to do is buy 100M shares of Drinks Americas outside the market for $1. This stock will be at $1 when someone decides they want 2-5 million shares, selling 100M shares at $1 is just plain stupid when we have brands coming out that should in the long run propel what's already in hand to $20-$30+. If Drinks Americas stock was sitting at $10+ now, that would be a different story. Plus Labatt is regional, obviously AB didn't think it was a national beer, if it was national right now that would be great because a beer pipeline would already be open and Drinks could take advantage of that for Kid Rock beer, but doubling the OS for a regional pipeline is far too expensive to me. Plus the article I read said whoever gets Labatt USA will be buying the brewery too, which is good for making Kid Rock beer in house, but like I said, that means it's going to be a lot more than 100M shares. Some will say that I'm complaining that the stock will only top out at $10 in the long run if Drinks makes this acquisition and has to use 300M shares to do it, but that is still a 4000% gain from here, but that's not my point, my point is that nobody should be allowed to buy 100M shares of DKAM at $1 for any reason at this point, if they want to pay $5 a share for a huge amount of off the market shares, I'm okay with that, but to only pay $1 and get to come in with the whole story about to unfold in a minute just isn't fair to us shareholders this late in the game.IMO
Please, newbies don't come on this board and buy because of anything we say. You and PKG have drilled that into our heads for months and months. And you are more than welcome to use the ignore feature. In fact, I invite it. This board will always be about Drinks past, present, and future. One we can't change, one we can enjoy, and the other we can speculate and flip coins over. I'll be damned if anybody is going to tell anyone here that they cannot participate in any of those on topic discussions. You're out of line. Again.
First off, if the Labatt deal doesn't happen, the stock will not tank. We're supposed to back off implications and acquisition talk so you can have the board to yourself to talk the stock into the ground? Your entire post just told everyone that if we do not get something, the stock will tank. Yet, we have gotten all these other things and the stock has gone nowhere. You yourself said I believe it was $3 billion worth of icons and beverages. So, while we sit here and watch this past week full of miserable volume because no one will tell anyone this story for fear they'll be labeled a pumper and twiddle our thumbs, as long as we don't speculate on what this company could become, it's OK with everybody. I just want to make sure everyone understands that the future is comprised of looking down at the ground and the sunshine only is visible when you yawn.
Grammys are Feb. 8 and Kid Rock up for two biggies. A record 110 categories.
http://content.grammy.com/grammy_awards/51st_show/list.aspx
Category 6
Best Male Pop Vocal Performance
(For a solo vocal performance. Singles or Tracks only.)
•All Summer Long
Kid Rock
Track from: Rock N Roll Jesus
[Atlantic]
•Say
John Mayer
Track from: Continuum
[Columbia]
•That Was Me
Paul McCartney
Track from: Amoeba's Secret
[Hear Music/MPL Communications Ltd.]
•I'm Yours
Jason Mraz
Track from: We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things.
[Atlantic]
•Closer
Ne-Yo
Track from: Year Of The Gentleman
[Def Jam/Compound Entertainment]
•Wichita Lineman
James Taylor
Track from: Covers
[Hear Music]
Category 21
Best Rock Album
(Vocal or Instrumental. Includes Hard Rock and Metal.)
•Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends
Coldplay
[Capitol Records]
•Rock N Roll Jesus
Kid Rock
[Atlantic]
•Only By The Night
Kings Of Leon
[RCA Records]
•Death Magnetic
Metallica
[Warner Bros.]
•Consolers Of The Lonely
The Raconteurs
[Third Man/Warner Bros.]
OK, now I'm backing up twice. There has been no share buyback announcement. Along with issuing shares and expansion comes an increased share price from the profits the company will enjoy immediately. Then they go straight to Nasdaq and a listing along with beverages analysts and institutions buying and giving the stock targets. They use those profits as leverage to buy other companies, introduce new products and pay off debt. One of those is announcing a share buyback plan. If they borrow money to do a big deal, and those shares are restricted, they are precluded from partaking in that plan until those shares come off restriction. Buying back shares makes the profit per share increase as the OS and the float is diminished. That results in a higher share price. One thing I should have added is that Labatt actually makes closer to $50 mil a year on net sales, but a good portion of that is earmarked for various charitable events. The tax structure favors it more here than in Canada.
The aforementioned is just the natural order of things. Of course, we would have had to submit a bid first. But it's nice to talk about anyways as it will be somebody here soon. Just a question of who.
Wow Caution, I really hate to back up and do this all over again. In fact, if I remember correctly, you were posting that a company like DKAM would never buy a company like Labatt while we were proving every reason they could and should. But that could have been PKG. So easy to get confused on who is positive one day and negative the next.
The Labatt brewery is in London, ON, or you will read Toronto. The deal everywhere in print, including the DOJ documents says "rights to brew, distribute, etc., etc, etc"
It is a perpetual license, which means forever. Labatt will brew and be paid for brewing for the first three years if the acquiring company does not have a brewery. Then, they will have to secure a brewery at the end of three years, at which point the formulation will be turned over to the new brewery.
Here, knock yourself out:
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f239400/239446.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f239400/239446.htm
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November 14, 2008 1:35 PM EST
InBev has reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice ("DOJ") that permits the completion of its proposed acquisition of Anheuser-Busch Companies. Inc. (NYSE: BUD).
Under the terms of the consent final judgment filed today in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the following three actions will occur:
First, Labatt Brewing Company Limited ("LBCL"), a partially owned, indirect subsidiary of InBev headquartered in Toronto, Canada, will grant to an independent third party a perpetual exclusive license
(i) to market, distribute and sell Labatt branded beer (primarily Labatt Blue and Labatt Blue Light) for consumption in the U.S., (ii) to brew such Labatt branded beer in the U.S. or Canada solely for sale for
consumption in the U.S., and (iii) to use the relevant trademarks and intellectual property to do so.
Second, InBev will sell to the licensee the assets or stock of InBev USA LLC d/b/a/ Labatt USA, an InBev subsidiary, headquartered in Buffalo, New York, whose staff currently handles the importing, marketing and sale of Labatt branded beer to wholesalers in the United States.
Third, LBCL will brew and supply the Labatt branded beer for the licensee for an interim period of no more than three years.
These actions will be implemented following completion of InBev's acquisition of Anheuser-Busch.
Approximately 1.7 million hectoliters of Labatt branded beer were sold in the United States in 2007. The impact on earnings of the actions to be implemented is not material to InBev's overall business.
This consent final judgment does not affect Kokanee, Brahma or any other brands brewed by LBCL, AmBev or InBev and distributed in the United States, other than the Labatt branded beer. It also does not affect the brewing, marketing, distribution or sale of Labatt branded beer in Canada or anywhere else outside the United States.[SM]
Well, talking in general terms can be helpful but also detrimental. Phils is right, the acquirer only needs to have cash now, then within three years they must have a brewery they own or one they are working with to manufacture Labatt INSIDE THE CONTINENTAL USA. Don't forget, we have an existing relationship with Cold Springs already in MN. They make some excellent beers. The only reason we are looking for a new brewery is that it is believed Kid Rock wants a Michigan brwery for a heartland USA beer from his home town so to speak.
Drinks is a distributor and acquirer of brands but Kenny was adamant before that he is not getting into the manufacturing game. Also don't forget that the option exists to turn that brand over again in three years along with the rights to brew.
I was using the $1 a share as an example. It could be $2, or $3, or $5. It's whatever deal they can reach an agreement on, and will change on every deal they pursue.
The articles I've read and videos I've watched are all very deeply entrenched in this 30 times cash flow for a business being bought. This economy is allowing for a $900 mil business to be bought for pennies on the dollar. Anybody should be chomping at the bit to put a bid in for that kind of discount. Three years from now, this economy will be soaring and thriving again. You can wager all you own on that!
That cash flow is your ticket to a Nasdaq listing so to say anyone doesn't like it, or is looking at how it will wreak havoc isn't looking outside the box.
Plus, the instant you issue shares to make a deal and you get listed on Nasdaq, you come right back in behind it and start buying shares back with a share buyback announcement.
Actually, we'll all be drinking Kid Rock Beer at Myrtle Beach. We'll be reordering at Sturgis!
:)
Ya know, the Hugeeeeeeeee! Rally Week at Daytona is 2/27.
Would be something if Kid rolled up with a big truck full of free samples.
What you think would happen then?
Some of you have heard and even seen "Kenny's clues" that he has given us in CC's and even in PR's from the past.
Of all the places, and all the cities to have the Annual Shareholder's Meeting, don't you find it a little peculiar that he chose Stamford CT? If he was going to have it anywhere besides Wilton, he could have chose anywhere. But he chose Stamford. Small world aside, it isn't that small. OK Patrick, I'm following you so far.....
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-119542951.html
Plus, there was also another unique characteristic about DKAM that should have InBev looking our direction. Drinks would be the only company of all those mentioned that is not a current beer competitor to InBev. There might be a certain price associated for turning your nose up at enemies one day and then trying to be your friend the next.
YW, and welcome also to the board.
I guess we missed this one....finally some TV
Something wrong with the link. Click ONLY on the video box in the second link and not on the header. Otherwise, it doesn't come up right.
http://www.blinkx.com/videos/kid+rock+beer
The world is getting smaller...
Back to Kid Rock: He was jazzed to run across 50 in the same corridor way, way, way backstage. "Oh, I never met this guy before," Kid said while shaking hands with Fif. "Eminem always tells me I need to meet you when I'm in Detroit. Would you mind doing an MTV News interview with me?"
"Yeah," 50 obliged.
Hey, nobody knows. I just gave my take on the subject, and that was after I asked a 30 year verteran of the business. No, not Kenny. Anybody can borrow money when the company they are acquiring has a huge cash flow position with a sustained track record. 150 years in business qualifies on both counts.
Yes, he is extremely good friends with pat, and also John Daly.
One we would say who, the other we would say whoa!
Lee. I read somewhere else recently, but did not save the link, that Labatt USA turned around $30 mil in profit in 2006. So, for grins, let's do the analysis again. Let's say that Drinks did put in a bid and InBev saw the hunger in this company, as well as Kenny's business plan and iconic structure. Then let's say they looked at 8-10 other companies and saw the same old tired business plan with every one of them hoping and praying for a break even year. Most won't come close. Then they saw the hottest beer product about to hit the US scene in 20 years with Kid's beer, the ONLY American beer out there that the American people could latch onto. They knew they already screwed Kenny once on the Rolling Rock deal. Perhaps a "we owe you one" is in order. Then there's the Rheingold deal. "OK, we owe you two." Then the folks at InBev said, "Ya know, these guys are right there, as small as they are, and before we even close the AB deal, they are grabbing the lost market share from the devout AB drinkers who are jumping ship because we bought them. Nobody else is introducing a beer. Iconoclasts is where it's at. They will serve our brand well. Maybe even this Kid Rock guy will want to be a part owner. He'll have the equal initiative to see our brand do well along with his own. He will serve our brand well"
So, as I said before, let's say they did put in a bid and won it. The articles have already circulated that said InBev was selling it at "fire sale" prices. That to me says at or less than one times sales. Let's go with $200 mil for a second. If it were me, I'd have some money like a Kid or a well funded firm to put up the scratch, and then issue them shares along with a stroke on the profits. Let's leave the preferreds out and say 200 mil shares at $1.00 each. We can do that because we just approved it! How convenient. So, now we have 285 mil outstanding. At $30 mil in profits with the rest of the business being break even, that is 10.5 cents per share profit. Any company that has a 3000%-5000% increase in sales overnight usually can support a 30-50 P/E. After all, HANS did and so did JSDA. In fact, they were much more than that. That says that DKAM goes to $3.00 overnight, and more like $5.00.
I do this so, if it should happen, nobody misses out by putting in a sell at 60 cents because it stopped there a year ago. If nobody parts with their shares, then institutions will have to pay an average of $2.00 a share just to get a position!
Maybe Drinks gets lucky and only has to issue 100 mil shares. At 185 mil, now the profit per share goes to 16 cents a share. Low end is $4.80 and should be more like $8.00 on a 50 PE. They can go anywhere between $1.00 to $2.00 on any shares issued to borrow the money because it all will be undervalued. Plus, a big bonus will be those shares are restricted maybe as short as 6 months, but more like 1-2 years. So, we are back to square one with our float being nil as it is now. Nothing changes.
Just think about the financing for Trump at $1.80. Don't you think Labatt would be a little more huge with $30 mil a year in cash flow? Of course it would! Why? Because then Drinks can go buy anybody else profitable without issuing shares on a cash deal because of the cash flow. If they want somebody else big, that's an easy do because they have the leverage of such a strong cash flow set up from the Labatt core on a stock and cash deal going forward.
Beyond that, anything can happen in three years. Drinks is a distributor and does not have a brewery. Does it hinder their chances? Perhaps so. At the same time though, they are securing one now that could easily support both Kid Rock beer and Labatt.
I wonder who is deciding which one to pick.
Eenie....meenie....minee....yo $10.
Lee, based on the DOJ documents we found, and the nature of the deal being all cash, then yes, it will be accretive upon closing. The Labatt distribution network is very refined, like all the majors, almost to a science. What nobody has talked about out of the deal in any press I can find is the possibilities for expansion by whoever gets it. Since it is a regional beer, there has to be a reason why Labatt has not made it available nationwide. If they are selling a perpetual license, I believe they can reserve some rights to how it is marketed and distributed. But as far as the intricacies of this exact deal, or what they re up to, I know as much as you do.
I foresee absolutely no problems on what you asked about; introducing Kid Rock at the same time you are closing a big deal like Labatt.
It would be like finding a sack of money on the way to the bank. One of them you do all the time and the other just made the trip there and back alot more pleasant.
Well Lee, actually we do know who has all the inside information. The boys at InBev. Next in line is all the guys who put in a bid. And not a one of them is uttering a word.
To be honest, I don't know what the big deal is. I guess it is to protect THEIR OWN interests so somebody doesn't swoop in last minute and raise their bid to double.
Maybe we'll know something this week. The end of another month and this should be time for the announcement. The DOJ will be getting antsy for a suitor and to get it closed.
Who knows! Could be Kezzek, and we're jinxed if it is. Otherwise, just might be B. Klein posing as Kezzek. He lives there also. Wouldn't that be the ultimate retribution!
On Bob Hope Desert Classic, Arnie and Faldo are talking "their wines". Faldo's is from Australia. Arnie's from California. Just a friendly competition of who got the higher ratings on their wines in competition. Faldo won. Of course, Norman has his which we were distributing at one point.
http://www.arnoldpalmerwines.com/arnoldpalmer/page/partnership.jsp
http://www.luxist.com/2006/10/15/nick-faldo-wine/
The point is, the sports world is still wide open.
And wouldn't this be the sort of thing that creates a Grassroots movement that gravitates towards a stock once the word starts to spread on how huge something will be for a company? Why, yes it would. Ihub is useless as it attracts traders with short term parameters. Like Kenny said, short term is this summer. Let the Grassroots implications take hold like they are among the MBA and BA types that are in the business classes and marketing classes. That transcends to actual investments that prices in future success, as it does for every other company out there, rather than show me first and I might partake at 10 times the price later.
Now it makes perfect sense why even be here? When you know what is going to happen, why not just sit back and just enjoy it?
The day is almost here where everybody will be screaming for shares. They will all call it their own pick. Just like they did when nobody knew who HANS was at 50 cents. Rather an ironic number don't you think?
TA's daughter should go into class Monday and raise her hand. She should say, "Professor? For many, many years people have seen the marketing concept first before the product and made a stake in its success. Your discussion on Kid Rock Beer resonated with me. I found out I could invest in this story through the company he partnered with Drinks Americas that trades publicly under DKAM. I researched it and found that there has been nothing priced into this equity on Kid's beer introduction nor its anticipated success. There is an incredible opportunity here more than us just isolating its success in the classroom."
I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
OK everybody. Let me get this straight. A former marketing executive with the largest beer company in the world(until it was bought out by InBev) is teaching a class where, for everyone concerned, we should expect is a class that teaches concepts that work and why they work.
This teacher has taken note of perhaps three days of solid press on Kid Rock introducing his beer with Drinks Americas. He has determined it to be a concept that, from a marketing stand point sticks out in his mind, enough to teach it to others, as one that could be VERY successful as many people will feel, if they don't already, that AB sold out and now they are desperate for an American Beer they can call their own.
We think it. We envision it. Others think it. They teach it. Others believe it. We have a cult following!
I'll tell you what gang. I did say it before with AB jumping ship and selling out, there is no beer presently that America can call its own. That will be huge with heartland America at the very least, and it will spread quickly.
TA, great report man. Sure it is only one class, and a small sample. But at the same time, so is our shareholder base relative to the entire country that drinks beer. And TA just happened to come across one young lady who had a conversation like this with an entire marketing class? There are and will be many, many more.
Gentlemen, and ladies, we have a winner.
Boston? Let me know when we're running on methane. Then I'll know the horse is hungry again!!!!!!
LMAO
I'm expecting a detailed checklist of information from management to aid our Grassroots efforts that I will put into a Sticky on the top of the posting area as soon as I get it. It should have contact numbers and information we need, as well as a particular format to follow so we DO NOT step on any distributors toes. With today's news, I hope you realize how crucial this is.
All we want to do at this point is create a perceived demand by simple word of mouth advertising that trickles back to the distributor. Then when these guys at Drinks start calling on these distributors, they can fill orders as our products are fresh in their minds rather than having to sell them on something they might just not be in the mood for at that moment.
Pretty huge news out DKAM. The PR shows the hierarchial people have been put in place to handle the huge present and upcoming demand for their products, acquisitions, and expansion.
Add a dollar to the price and it's getting closer to the 500% increase in sales.