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lower is likely. sorry guys. i'd say, .0003...
gitreal, i completely agree with that. i wish the sec was 10x
larger and enforcement was good enough to prevent the investor
fleecings that are commonplace. those who prey upon investors are
so much worse than other, non-violent criminals. i'm unable to decipher with any certainty what category those involved with
ctdt are in. i guess i'm about 60/40 with you in my suspicions...
jd. i want what all here want. maybe not gitreal. jd, talk isn't just cheap, it's worthless unless attached to some action. since
there hasn't been a shred of that in years, what enables you and
others to maintain your optimism? your belief? i wish i could. it
wouldn't take much. something concrete, anything...
nobody likes to disagree with an alias 'gramps.' but gramps, here's
the problem. even if deals happen, as an investor you might not benefit. at all. not the way the company is set-up. also, as far
as competency goes, except for self-dealing, except for unethical
and borderline unethical managing, neither andy nor kelly have
done one thing a publicly traded company is supposed to do. and
they are aggressive and hostile to anybody who calls them to account. gramps, you want to believe, that's fine. but 15 years
of historical evidence, please don't risk money that matters to
your well being or the well being of those who count on you. there
are literally thousands of honest, well run companies and mutual
funds.
poor lwlg. poor investors. great team. disruptive technology.
and nothing. nowheresville.
call and say what? he'll either not answer, bluff and obstacles,
or say he's going into a meeting. turns out no one exists who
is determined to realize snaper's legacy, or see ctdt become
a real company. this 'things are going on behind the scenes' baloney
is another aspect of the ruse to keep this treading water instead
of letting it die. why? why prolong the agony of us long suffering
loyal investors?
how you figure? they've got billions to sell and sell they will.
through proxies. there's lots more money to be made here--by the
whelans.
this won't be a great selling day for the whelans, but it'll be
okay. in the 7 to 10 million shares. at .0007, that's 5-7 grand.
not bad, unless viewed in comparison to all the brilliant pro
biel posters, in which case it's spectacular. any and all longs,
the only question is: how much money have you lost; how much money
will you lose. that's two parts of the same question because that
is all there is to this...
i myself can no longer believe. it's gone on too long, the failure
to get a partner or make any kind of deal. my position isn't huge,
but it will have a small affect. lebby projects confidence, but so
does every single ceo. that's part of their job description. his
confidence hasn't translated to a single dollar of revenue. even
that is weirdly suspicious, given the excellent credentials of
those involved. oh well. glta.
you're wrong. they'll keep it going as they have until some
unforseeable occurrence finally closes them down. it's as
silly to predict biel's end as it is its success. the whelans
are great at making money off their company...
something has been 'about to go down' for 15 years. so yes,
we're at .0008, and it could go down to .0007 or .0006. how
you guys maintain your optimism in the face of biel's history,
i'm awed by it. if only there was one single management decision
or action that a rational investor could say, yes shareholder
value is a consideration. but there is not! not one. not from
andy, not from kelly. which, to you hope-springs-eternal guys,
doesn't matter one bit. i applaud you!
would that chas had the gumption to even communicate with us
shareholders. anybody wanna bet--we'll never hear from him again.
my favorite aspect of his shadow-play, is that when one of these
longtime loyal investors reaches him, he's 'going into a meeting.'
rolling a joint? about to start watching a movie? in the middle
of some tv show? no one who was actually working could've kept
this from getting off the ground for so long. legal problems?
yeah, sure.
gailm. i've used the product, so have a number of people i know.
with one exception, we've been thrilled with the benefits. it
works. the problem is not the product. you should try it. the power
of suggestion is great, so i suggest you monitor the effects carefully as i did. it's a shame it won't gain wide exposure
due to the ownership/management of the company.
180 days until .0003. or,.0005. or,.0006. or, .0001.
today, day #?, .0007.
go team!
not a bad day at the office for the whelans. a six figure day.
you buyers, so astute...
go biel! show 'em what you're made of. trips forever, yeah!
follow those tweets. they're perfectly reliable. rah rah rah,
go biel!
she's got the same agenda her dad had, why would she be
any different? her dad made a lot of dough on the backs of
shareholders, why would she not continue that? her tweets
aren't merely unprofessional--they reveal a ceo who no major
company would involve themselves with. if she even really
wanted that to happen--which she does not. she's not the dummy
here. it's anybody who let's themselves believe a whelan
cares one iota about shareholder value. after all these years,
after full fda clearance of their excellent product, how can
you?
that ship sailed a long long time ago. some people here missed it
because they were staring at the sun. what we have in common is we
all got badly burned by the lovely whelan family...
180 days was a screen so they could unload a couple billion more
shares. wait'll you hear kelly's next proclamation...
simpsonly. you're right on all counts. but i think you can't
help holding out hope that kelly is competent and honest.
what she is is well-off and incapable of doing anything except
self deal. the products are excellent so it's difficult to come
to grips with the reality that kelly will ride this until the toilet
flushes, then she'll say sorry to the shareholders she took
advantage of and believe she is sincere and upstanding. there's
literally nothing people can't rationalize and justify--as long as nobody holds their feet to the fire of their actions.
getting old? 12 years, that's how long some people here have been
watching this very unamusing clown show. getting old? an update
containing not a single executed act is not an update. some here
would turn biel declaring bankruptcy into a positive, proof they
were about to make big gains. there are enough such people out
there to keep biel running on fumes.
please post the shareholder letter. thank you.
biel is in trips with full fda approval. that approval occurred
months ago and there are no deals of any kind with any other
company. there are 62 billion shares.
glta. though that doesn't apply to biel. biel is kaput, biel
has always been kaput. glta in your other investments. sayonara
with kelly running biel this will never break .003. maybe not
.0025. maybe not .0015. there's a combination of factors. she
might, i repeat, might not have the ability to manage a company
to any kind of success. and from the available evidence, she does
not want nor care about changing the status quo. for example, she's fine with the ludicrous share structure because it allows the
self-dealing selling the whelans have been doing since inception.
companies that would make excellent, mutually advantageous partners,
they take one look at how she operates and they know to steer clear.
products as good as actipatch will be introduced by others soon.
that's when she'll dump the billions and scram. take the money and
run. could happen next month, could happen in a year from now. but
it will happen. the devices will be available to consumers, they
just won't come from biel.
just take a guess. take a flyer. how many tens of millions
of shares will the whelans sell through proxies today? ring-a-ding;
ding. how much money will they cash? $15,000? $20,000? more? a good
day for kelly. with keith, there are 2 possibilities. he's out
of the loop completely, banging his head against a brick wall built
by andy and maintained by kelly. or, he's an insider, who puts
an honest face on the company as the whelans siphon cash his way and
he rationalizes their skulduggery by constantly telling himself
they've got excellent products that truly benefit people. in either
case, how long can this go on? who knows? it could come crashing
down overnight, or continue as it has for years.
bielupandaway, you really don't know? it wouldn't matter if
biel products were the true fountain of youth or the cure for
all disease. somebody in charge, what we inaccurately call
management, has to take actions that cause sales and lead to
success. but we had andy, now we've got kelly. lining their
pockets at your expense and willing to fight you if they're
called out.
there is no way kelly will let go of the reins. look, they've been
running an operation that keeps them nice and comfortable, but if
the sec had the resources, and if biel weren't such a tennsy-tiny
company, an investigation would hurt them bigtime. staying under
the radar while doing nicely on the backs of us shareholders,
that's what they know, that's what they pursue. i'll bet kelly
spends more time figuring how to further insulate and protect
the family from possible prosecution than she does on everything
else related to running the scheme, i mean the company.
nothing matters except how kelly runs the company. nothing.
if someone has a single piece of evidence she's different
than andy, please share. i don't mean more articulate, easier
to talk to, better writer, smarter--i mean has a different agenda
that actually includes increasing shareholder value. there are so many moves she could have made these past months that would
indicate something other than using a terrific bonafide product
to carry on a thinly veiled stock selling scheme. you all say,
go biel, i say go whelans, because they're all that's going
anyplace.
if chaz were something other than charming, a good conversationalist, a good salesman of visions and dreams,
then yes. but he isn't.
like i've said: we'll never hear from him again. unless,
out of guilt, he pens a goodbye shareholders letter containing
his reasons why things didn't fly for ctdt. how he tried,
but was undermined by this and that.
it's a shame nobody brass tacks real ever got hold of the company.
it could've been something...
can you read? i don't care if anyone listens to me. i got nothing.
just read the prospectus. i'm just an investor scared i'm going
to lose my investment, which for me is significant. i've got no magic, i don't rate the rank of amateur. but i can read. as far as
wanting lwlg to succeed, i'm 100% true blue. what's wrong with
being worried?
read the prospectus. now you know why the pps is what it is and
why serious investors won't touch lwlg. will everything break right
and see the company become a success? yes, possibly, but the
probability is low. in fact, if they're unable to make at least
one substantial deal with a large company within a pretty short
timeframe--months, not years--i think they'll disappear like
countless other r&d companies stocked with brilliant people. the
risks are great, so are the rewards.
if kelly was going to do the obvious right smart thing and retire
about 28 billion shares, she would've done it already. i'm thinking
now she'll pull a reverse split, wipe shareholders out, and then
make a few deals and cash out seriously rich. a gangster, but rich
and semi-legal, if utterly unethical. that's what her tweet to dad
meant--i'll take care of the family, like the godfather, not an
honest business person.
agreed!!!!
which means that none of these amazing accomplishments, none of this
widespread acknowledgement from the most prestigious quarters means a damn thing to investors and the investment community. how's the
cognitive dissonance, proto? deafening?
(btw. i'm on your side completely. but i'm baffled and anxious and
more pissed off by the month).
it's not that kelly doesn't give a crap about increasing
shareholder value, she actually does not want to. it's almost
harder to keep this in the toilet than it would be to make it
really successful. i think that like her dad, she feels antagonistic
towards the very people who fund her cozy lifestyle. guilt and shame
will do that. nobody is angrier and more defensive than people
who rationalize to death their bad actions. they'd rather die than
change or change their tune--except on shows like the old, 'law and
order,' where the consequences of failing to cop to their actions
are clearly a lot worse than sustaining the lies. kelly is really
smart and probably really competent and talented--it's too bad
that doesn't matter...
if you haven't already figured it out, nothing anybody says
will help. this has been going on for so many many years. full
fda clearance for a terrific product that successfully addresses what is widely acknowledged to be an epidemic and the pps. is fighting to stay at .0011?
what's going on is that after hosting, after conferences, after
chairing this and that, there's isn't anybody in the tech community,
the venture capital community, or the vast financial services
community who really thinks they've got squat. nobody, in other words, who matters is putting anything meaningful here, including their signature on some kind of deal. just a bunch of pretty smart, very wishful guys on message boards, who spend considerable time explaining things from way outside the reality inside--whatever
that is. these guys, who aren't pumpers, they're just hopefuls,
they don't even have the money to make significant investments.
people need something to do with their time and lwlg provides at
least that.
after 10-plus years of terrible managing and the pps to show for
it, 180 days grace period to sell a few billion shares, then
rinse and come up with something else people like you go for,
with the toilet bowl pps to show for it.
that's what wrong with it. it's not shareholders who have ulterior
motives, it is the whelans and whoever else is in on this extremely
successful scheme to bilk investors;
like kelly said, if you don't like the way the company is run, get out--a statement no ceo would make, unless they were defensively
covering up. still, it's the truest statement about biel she'll
ever make.
if kelly had any interest in rewarding shareholders she'd
do what needs to be done with the share structure. the whelans
are a strictly self-dealing bunch. they're proud of themselves
for staying in business providing a truly beneficial product
while they fatten their bank accounts and enjoy a comfortable
lifestyle. self rationalization is a core human trait. it won't
matter what deals are made, not for long suffering longs, because
the billions and billions of shares they hold, amount to a kind
of ponzi scheme.
what evidence do any of you have that kelly even works? that she's
not lying on a beach in florida, directing the sale of shares by
proxies on her phone? a tweet? i'vegotthisdad etc. are you kidding?
she's tweeting her dead dad?
and you guys buy it? at the end of 180 days, with a deal or three
in hand and the pps. at .0026, what're you all going to come
up with next? answer: same explanation-excuses you've been fueling
your hopes with for the past decade-plus. you deserve a lot more;
we all do...
there is no management. there's just this bser chaz, who we'll
never hear from again, though somebody here might bump into him
selling some other bs venture...in one way he's a good guy, a sort've enthusiastic dreamer-stoner, in another way he's a lot less
moral than a decent percentage of the guys in prison. somebody will
catch up to him at some point...
people have been going crazy on this board for biel
since the beginning of time. fda approval won't make
any difference because of the share structure. since she
took over, name one single thing kelly has done that has
affected the pps. that's right, it's in trips where it's
been and where it'll stay as long as biel is all about
feathering the whelan nest. oh yes. she could bail for
all kinds of reasons, suddenly, without warning, wiping
everybody out entirely...