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Thirty-five seconds into the video the iPad is flipped over. The top of the logo is smudged. LQMT would not show the smudge. This is plastic just like the one right in front of me.
You maybe right. I don't know.
I do know that $2 is a valuation of $750,000,000 million.
$5 a share is 1.9 billion.
Current revenues don't support those figures.
Current revenues don't support my figure either.
Good luck TM. I certainly don't begrudge a man making money.
I'm out of post for the day. They still keep me to three.
My next price to buy in is under .07 and I believe it will go to .027 when all the dilution is finished.
Here's my conversation with Tony from May 15th, 2012, immediately following the CC;
Making,
You are not correct in LQMT getting a royalty. They sold that in perpetuity. MTRN may produce feed stock for AAPL and would profit IF that happens.
LQMT will make nothing more from AAPL. AAPL is being incredible generous in sharing what it learns with LQMT. We will see in 2014 if that sharing continues. LQMT better hope to God it does. Few talk about it but the original
LQMT patent is expired. You can use it now.
I've made money too. I also want to make it a third time but am dubious with the increase in shares I've seen over and over.
How do I make more money with the smallest risk?
1) I will wait for the price to retrace to a level that reduces my risk.
2) With any luck AAPL will use LQMT. IF that happens I will watch the price rise and short it sometime before the earnings.
Anyone who has read the MTA between AAPL and LQMT knows there will be no more revenue from AAPL to LQMT and the first earnings after the AAPL's use of LQMT will have the greatest flushing sound you have ever heard. It will be the easiest money ever made and all it requires is reading the agreement and waiting.
I'm done posting till I have a position. A contract could certainly change my mind. I'm not married to any one thought or plan if new facts emerge. Good luck and use what you know not what you hope. All the best. Go skins!
Yama is correct.
You may be correct about abstention but in the past no vote was a yes vote. That maybe why they pushed the last two times for people to vote. Hell two times ago I got a call asking me to vote.
The situation we were in before was as close as we could get to voting it down but without Visser's shares we failed. There are so many outstanding shares now 362,000,000 compared to under a 130,000,000 the first time it seems impossible to do now. All this stuff is back on this board in the 3000 to 4000 series post.
If you're serious about putting money in this stock take a few weeks and read the old post. Pick a person, Watts, Yama, Oracle and read the history of their posts. Yama and I bought this investment days apart and started on this board days apart. You have an entire history if you care to use it. It will answer all your questions.
That made me laugh. You got a wild hair. Thanks.
Jollyman,
I maybe wrong but I seem to remember you talking about being southern and how people hear our accents and assume we're dumb. It's a wonderful advantage when people dismiss you out of hand without really hearing you.
Anyway, two years ago after Visser got the bulk of his shares and we were getting our first big shot of dilution I was able to get over 12 million shares from people on this board to vote no. I sent a Fedex to Visser detailing how a group of us was trying to stop dilution and asked for his vote. His shares and ours would have made it a close vote. Over 45,000,000 shares at the time. He never responded to my letter.
After that the company took efforts to marshall votes and has been successful at authorizing new shares. We tried to find out what the share count was, from that first dilution, but the company would not release the vote totals. If you want a more complete recounting of the efforts go back and read old posts. Back then people were telling me it was a good thing to prevent takeovers and to have working capital for expansion. That we needed more shares to attract talent. All the same themes I see written now. There is no stoping the issuing of more shares. The issuing will lead only in one direction for the stock. History is doomed to repeat itself. Which of course is nothing new. All the best to you.
If you're not the southern guy I think you are I'm a redneck and most of what I say is splattered in tobacco juice and chitlins when I'm not singing "mammy's little baby loves shortin, shortin mammy's little baby loves shortin bread."
You are correct and I am aware.
Check the LQMT original patent and see how much longer they have before it expires. How do we know what other formulations have been developed? And by who?
I am currently long MTRN and have been off and on since early 2011. I occasional get called away selling out of the money upside options but buy back in on pull backs.
SP of the OOO institute,
I read the mention of LQMT not as LQMT but as BMGs in general. I need to go back and re-read Hipple's exact language again. I seem to recall his excitement was over the technology not LQMT. I admit I was reading between the lines and that is certainly not accurate.
Awhile back I speculated MTRN was tied up with LQMT to get a early foot hold on formulations. I maybe wrong but aren't the original patents and formulations now public property? One of the reason we now have knives. Kang doesn't have to pay royalties because the patent is expired.
What I'm saying is that I believe MTRN when they speak. LQMT not so much. Check out who joined the MTRN ihub board. It will surprise you and then make you say, "I'm not surprised."
PS. I would never accuse you of pumping.
MTRN's business is to make ingots. What do they care if they are made for Visser, AAPL, LQMT or ? As long as they are making feedstock, they are making money. Stay invested in MTRN if you want to be long LQMT with little to no risk. Enjoy the dividend and sell out of the money up side calls if you need to juice your returns.
Or not. Either is fine.
When I saw the video of this method it was chilling. The ingot melted instantly and bam the vacuum does the rest. What chilled me was that at the time I was holding many shares of LQMT.
This is a real threat and if LQMT is trying to sell it self it is a clear indication management knows they have no great pay off in the works. With the number of shares issued I would put this companies worth per share at .40 or under. That values it at an astronomical 150,000,000. I'm basing that on a 375,000,000 issued share count which maybe low.
You're logical and a real asset to board. All the best to you and your investments.
Thanks OOO. I wrote a post responding and wish I had seen your first. Would have saved a lot of time.
Lay off her, she's sitting on a extra 50,000 shares she bought at .18 cents for 9K. If she waits till the real bottom at .027, I think your bottom is high, and spends another 9K she'll get 333,333 shares to help average those .18s down to .04695656 cents +or-.
To the rest of you pumpers, portcitybob, lighting, the three idiots and a fish.
When will AAPL use us and how?
AAPL will release an LQMT phone at some point but they won't till they have it all. Waterproof, fuel cell, indestructible.
This will happen but when MTRN tells you in their CC that it won't be until 2015 believe them.
When LQMT ask for 200,000,000 more shares it's not for a secret plant to build iPhone parts. It's to pay salaries and keep lights shining.
I thought Chung buying shares with his own money was a sign too. Then he agreed to more shares being issued. Wonder how he'll be paid back?
This will go lower as sure as the sun will rise. You can't dilute anything without making it weaker. Basic chemistry.
See you at the bottom LK, nice calls during this false alert, I know you and a few others made money.
Excellent post with attribution. Thank you.
Quote, "and they have those last patents perfected...."
Patents are not perfected ideas. They are legally acknowledged ideas. Perfection has nothing to do with it. LQMT been patented for ten years. Tom just this year alluded to having worked out the kinks.
We will never get another cent from AAPL for any item they make with LQMT's (CIP's) patents. Why? Because AAPL owns them forever. (perpetuity)
Earlier this year I believed LQMT would be bought out. After spending a great deal of time with the MTA it won't happen. AAPL has ample protection in that MTA to prevent a buyout of their technology. Do you really thing AAPL doesn't know how to cover it's a-s? LQMT will stand or die on it's own and AAPL could care less. AAPL has what they want forever. Wake up, you're talking about the most successful company in America history.
Quote, "LQMT is going to have to have its own machines for contracts...made by ENGEL and run by Materion."
LQMT metal doesn't have the money to keep the lights on much less buy machines and MTRN would be in direct conflict with Visser. Your response will be, "I meant Visser." Well it's not what you said and is indicative of the string of mistakes you make when writing about this stock. Second, Engel makes injection molded machines not 3 feet by forever machines. If they do make this second kind of machine it's not known yet. Aside from the patent AAPL droped we have no idea how these giant slabs of LQMT will come to fruition. Just that AAPL says it can.
Quote, "How else is LQMT going to get contracts if it doesn't have a massive number of machines to make the product, in the future.?? "
How's LQMT going to survive the massive law suit from Visser for violating their contract with Barney. Second, a company that has done nothing but figure out a way to get others to do their work by contracting is suddenly a manufacturer.
Quote, "Am I hyping this, or is this closer to reality, now that we know what the new patents can do."
To answer you directly YES you are hyping this. You use greed to make people question their rational mind. You do it to rationalize your own poor decision to hold the stock for a better capital gains tax rate, more greed. You are taking history of the recent past, dilution last year, and pretending it's a good thing. You ignore the reality that stares you in the face. The company admits it has no money to get past the first of the year and you pretend the shares aren't for raising funds but for some grand wonderful thing that will raise the stock to over a dollar and on to 5. You hurt people with your wild speculation. Like a TV preacher you sell hope and nothing more. You ask people to suspend their God given mind for your dream of grander. You do a disservice to your fellow man and more importantly yourself.
You will sucker many more in with the base emotion of greed and prove that misery truly loves company.
LQMT still has a chance to survive but must make money by selling product and not stock. If products were about to be sold they would not be diluting no matter what crazy scenario you concoct to comfort yourself.
I can't tell you how great your message was to read. See you in the alleys. MTRN is the place to put gains on a pull back to 28.5
The house is great except the stupid pool that looks like dollar sign every time I look at it. While the kids are in school this year I'm filling it with dirt.
Contango
OR great news is about to be revealed and they wanted to put more shares out...to pay for development to meet a huge contract??
better than gloom and doom before we know the facts.
I have NO IDEA.....
As announced I sold into the run on AAPL rumors a few weeks ago.
I kept 150,000 shares (15%) of my position "in case". I sold that this morning.
I too am surprised this hasn't been hit more but I think it will be after it's revealed this is not in the iphone or any other AAPL product this cycle.
I sold my last chunk because I was still up 70% and when the situation "material" changes, I change.
I will reenter at sub .06 and load at sub .03 I expect these prices by the end of the year.
I look forward to being told how wrong I am again. How much hope this stock has engendered.
Hope in one hand, sh_t in the other and see which fills first.
Let the derision begin.
This call was tragic.
Cash will be gone by Jan of 2014.
No contracts were signed.
The knives aren't licensed.
The Mercedes news was BS.
Apple is not paying for something they already own!!!
This is not going to a dollar or dollars soon.
This will retest it's lows.
This will require dilution to continue.
Paying back debts is easy when you do it in shares.
I could go on but thankfully I won't. I'll just buy more when it falls and sell when it goes up. Keeping some in case.
Thank you for a detailed and I think honest write up. All the best.
Your question of feed stock. I think MTRN can keep up with the one machine we know of in Denver. We could have more machines by now but during the last CC Tom said, "machines". I spoke with the company right after that call and got confirmation that there was only one machine at that time.
Making our monthly nut? That machine would need to be producing $80k a day in product, $3360 an hour, $56 dollars a minute. That is very doable with a $100 per part target, depending on the part. I don't think springs are going to price at $100 but I don't know.
Your idea of making half the nut a month would be great. That would extend cash on hand, lift the stock and perhaps allow the sale of shares on the open market at .20 to .30 cents.
I don't worry too much about dilution now because I think they are running out of investors. I fear BK but what's new.
Last thing, someone a lot of post back asked, what I'm investing in now. My two biggest positions are cash and fetal. Third is coal stocks. Selling out of the money monthly calls to manage the decline. LQMT was my forth position and still is just smaller. I have no other positions. Nice to see some of the old posters but the DD here has fallen. I caught up on the board today and will now disappear again. GLTAL's
Back in January with post 22773 I started to accumulate shares.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83882318
I kept buying down into the mid .06s More each step lower.
I have now sold more than half of that position in 25,000, 50,000, and 100,000 blocks between .19 and .128
Why?
Nothing has changed except:
We have less cash as a course of doing business.
We have more shares outstanding.
We have new money that's entered the stock.
We have the same amount of contracts with new Apple rumors.
We have a CFO who took a large stake.
If we retrace I'll be buying again. I can't see any why reason we won't retrace. See you when I bay back. GLTALs
Thanks for the reply.
Attribution please.
Thanks for the clarification.
I never said Tom lied. I reported what I was told. I hold many shares still. Don't attribute words to me I didn't write.
From the CC,
"Hi, Charles. They do have a full-service machine shop. So they have quite a number of CNC machines as well as a 3D additive printing capability and multiple Liquidmetal machines."
Welcome aboard. Thank you for your detailed reasons and best of luck.
I'm curious about these beryllium speakers.
The review I read was effusive.
I love music.
Probably need LQMT to break 13 cents if I want to buy a set.
See ya in Vegas JP.
It's one thing to seek "The holy grail"
It's another to know where it is!
I hate to say this but we will be bought out.
Absolutely they could and will.
AAPL will have at least two suppliers of everything if possible.
AAPL has also said they are making capital investments in manufacturing.
AAPL WILL use BMG's.
LQMT is benefitting as we speak from AAPL's investment.
As RRight said earlier today, "CIP"