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Why does Juno rise but not us and they are only in phase I of testing where they saw supposedly a 91% remission rate on their cancer drug? They are now at $50+ spiking on Friday and today:(
Why do we get no respect.......feel like Rodney Dangerfield at times.
I really like AlexT's analysis, makes a whole lot of sense. You would have thought Pyrr "Rainman" would have come up with it first, he will probably say it already saw it and disproved it LOL.
However why is it with NWBO shareholders must attempt to decipher every flippin PR they release.
It should be well north of that pps if mgmt. is being fully transparent ie honest and not manipulative.
and with all this coverage we are moving up squat...very troubling if you ask me.
We need clarification, I would love Pyrr to totally wrong in his theories. So what does the big giant head say other than regurgitating what Bosch says?
Thank you for starting the fair and balanced discussion that is desperately needed here. As much as I don't like what Pyrr writes simply because it is negative we must thank him for helping open our eyes to what is really happening hee, the good the bad or the ugly.
So thank you for starting the needed discussion, something that I am not capable of dong due to my ignorance in the field of immunotherapy.
I do not trust mgmt.'s messages due to their survival instinct, nor do I trust anyone here incl Pyrr because of their individual greed, I trust only the miraculous results that I hope around the corner that will hopefully cure cancer.
Why wasn't that us I guess because they thought it was best to go thru ASCO, alas we didn't so we don't get the respect. Good move on our part, huh?
I wonder why, could it be we didn't have the science behind us like they did? Tell me why we didn't go thru ASCO the right way, we could have been them if the results were equivalent as mgmt. is alluding too, right?
Just tell me.
Fair enough and of course I hope you are right, but I truly believe the writing is on the wall.
BTW you think the PR isn't out because mgmt. read what Pyrr had to say and they are now toning it down the huge story a bit.
I believe the market has spoken, If it wasn't for my test via uter exuberance the stock may have gone south initially.
So it seems the market doesn't think we scored the homerun most here assumed and is taking a wait and see attitude which is closer to what Pyrr writes since he is being much more diligent than most of you about what he reads from the mgmt. at NWBO.
Lesson learned I hope, stop believing everything you read and understand that it is a war and NWBO is fighting to survive just like the patients that they are trying to save. Hopefully when I write along these lines you guys won't get too bent out of shape.
NOT TRUE!
The company reads this board and acts accordingly, they may even chat here under an alt who knows.
I affected the stock price this am buying moving it up.
We are so thinly traded it is ridiculous.
I now realize that most here are followers and dreamers and are grasping at the straws NWBO throws at you all. I am not saying Pyrr is 100% correct but he is doing everyone a favor here and looking at everything that NWBO says with a healthy amount of skepticism.
I also like ripping so called facts down and what ever is left standing I can then go with. No one here is attempting that, either they are too scared because of what they have invested or believe everything that their told because they want to and believe companies don't lie when people's lives are at stake.
This company must do anything they can to survive just like any cancer victim and thus you can't blame them but we need to look at everything from all sides.
I am not saying Pyrr is correct, just that he is at least tearing everything he reads apart and being a disinterested third party analysis might be more prudent than a blind believer.
Anyway I bought in today who else here can say that.;)
Edited to add we already dropped from my pushing the stock up this am, my max was $8.7 after I cancelled my higher buys and it is now below $8.6 so my experiment worked the market views things more along Pyrr's views than what NWBO wants you to believe. I personally believe we are somewhere in between.
I am certain that I am the only one who does.....geeesh!
I wanted to experiment, I put orders going up to $9.00 over the weekend then cancelled everything over $8.70
I purchased 10,000 shares ranging from $8.50-$8.70, but my $8.50 never got filled due to me most likely LOL.
I can tell you that this company is very thinly traded. Since I was the only one buying. Obviously you cheerleaders don't believe int he special sauce because none of you put your money where your mouth is, so who is calling the kettle black?
I just wanted to see if most in the market would believe Pyrr or Bosch and if Pyrr's assessment would be viewed as the correct one.
For the member here who wrote it is what the stock closes at someone here should school the big dummy imho. I quote Sanford & Son so don't bust my chops.;)
I just cancelled most of my buy orders.Lets not get carried away.
Not really that was me buying before I read Pyrr's report.
Amazing Pyrr is now the enemy simply because he gives his opinion which is what no one here want to hear. He alone makes this place fair and balanced. Sire I would like to know who he is to understand his motivations but I am grateful he doesn't allow himself to be bullied off of this board.
You can give your rebuttal to what he says but it looks like he is unwaivering and remaining consistent.
And after reading what he writes and what everyone else has I have to say once again he makes a good case. NWBO must survive, thus they must present everything they can in a positive light to us and to Woodward. They have the motivation and the will to do anything they can to survive, I can see Pyrr being right here whatever his motivations.
I predicted that the news would be positive prior to their announcement, some here didn't believe it would be good, some did. But based on how management handled themselves in I if my memory serves in 2007 and how LP makes deadlines that are never met and the inconsistencies with ASCO 2014 & 2015 I can't help but wonder what is it that we aren't being told. You know that they won't tell us anything that would hurt them, and that it only benefits them to spin the positive why is it so hard to believe what Pyrr writes. Is it only because as investors it isn't what you want to hear? Is that justified?
Thank you Sentiment!
This place is better off with New Pyrr because it becomes more fair and balanced. Note before Pyrr came on today everyone was just high fiving and being unrealistic and/or not trying to see both sides. Pyrr allows for the negative to be heard and then there can be a complete discussion as opposed to the usually cheerleaders counting their profits.
I have been here two years, typical praised for saying positive things and demeanized for questioning. I never say anything truly negative because I am ill equipped to comment on the science. I just question and when I do I get wacked. But I expect it when I don't carry on like a cheerleader.
I want to thank the new oncology doctor for joining and responding, but I wish he would discuss the science here of exactly why he like our special sauces as opposed to never being direct (pun intended) in the test results department ie why he likes our product(s).
I completely agree with Dpinvest
I wish I could be certain that the poster on Yahoo message boards is in fact an oncology doctor!
I am not an expert in anything medical, but I am extremely logical and have a pretty darn good business acumen. What I see is the following:
The cheerleaders on this forum and I don't mean that negatively are going to be pro NWBO, that is obvious, so I really must ignore them.
The naysayers here will take the opposing views for the opposite reasons and thus I must ignore them too.
Doc Bosche is an owner of NWBO, his motivations are apparent and thus I must ignore him. This includes LP.
Woodward's investment in NWBO is impressive and has helped the shareholders immeasurably but I don't know everything he knows and can't assume that he won't bail out when he deems it to be the right time and what then if and when he is gone. I hate relying on any one entity.
We know where AF's allegiance is so no point wasting and space here on that idiot.
The most puzzling piece of all this is Pyrr. He was the biggest cheerleader last year. No one really knows who he is or what he does or who he works for. No one here questioned his motivations except for me when he was our biggest cheerleader. So it bothers me that you guys now have chosen to ignore everything he says because it is now from a naysayers point of view and doesn't fit with what you all want to believe, that is troubling. You shoot the messenger if he is negative and worship him if he is positive.
So that basically makes me mistrust all on this board.
I find it interesting that Pyrr switched sides almost exactly when AF was rendered impotent, someday please check the timeline so that I am not making anything up. That makes me believe that Pyrr is a shorter who saw how effective AF was at making money. Remember I bashed Pyrr at times when it wasn't popular because I wanted to know who he was, what were his motivations because he spent so much time here and wrote like he was in the industry although we all seemed to know that he wasn't. Somebody must be paying Pyrr or he must be earning money from trading one or the other.
Could NWBO have plants here, certainly. We don't know who anyone here is,including myself. So this board in a way is a total joke, because everyone here is hiding behind the screen and nobody knows who or what anyone really is. I personally don't trust any of you and realize the friendly perception will quickly disappear when the chit hits the fan or because money is involved. look what happened with Pyrr he went from best buddy to biggest enenmy akin to an even better AF replacement.
So why has Pyrr switched sides I ask, why has he replaced AF. Is Pyrr right in what he writes, he sure as shoot sounds convincing to me. he is giving the otherside which this group sure as chit needs otherwise everyone here would have been partying until its 1997. I like what Pyrr writes as much as what I heard by Bosch. Both make sense. Pyrr could be a better writer and Bosch the better speaker, they almost nullify one another. My big dilemma is I know who and what Bosch represents and that gives me a secure feeling ie I know what I am going to get from Bosch..pro NWBO. But I just can't wrap my head around Pyrr, you realize if he didn't write what he did everyone on Monday would have bought more shares and the stock would have hit $12, now that Pyrr came on it won't and that hurts. Who is Pyrr and why is he now our AF?
BTW Pyrr has never answered me over the last 2 years, ha and everyone here has always ignored me on this major point, maybe now you all won't.
It seems you are trying to clamp down anyone's optimistic hopes which is probably a good idea since it does seem that one or two posters appear to get tips at times. I would agree it is best to under promise and over deliver, so I can't argue with your conservative commentary, it sure is safer than shouting from the rooftops wouldn't you agree.
One would assume if news was phenom a leak would have occurred, even though it is nice to dream that they just would make sure all leaks were fixed instead to set the stage for a huge gusher.
I am with the mindset that the news will be short positive in some way.
When news is bad, a company will make it public at end of day. I promise you when news is bad no company will make a prior news release announcing news forth coming, that would be akin to amplifying the bad news. Now will the news be groundbreaking or just decent who knows. I personally think if at all positive then what they did by pre-announcing it would be their m.o. since they were obviously reading what was going on here and wanted to quell the native's war drums. So how good the news is should be the discussion and not whether it is good or bad. It won't be bad, that would make NO SENSE.!
I do not understand the way in which you wrote your post. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me. Are you being fascitious and saying "yeah right there can't be any negative news released". Very hard to understand where you are coming from with your post. So please clear it up so a dummy like me can understand what you are trying to say.
thanks
Excellent point however if the news were bad it would be foolish to announce a prenews release ie news is forthcoming, thus they would just announce it without announcing news is forthcoming. However if news is good they would do just as they are doing now imho. One doesn't want to advertise bad news, akin to a double whammy imho.
I for one am glad we still have Pyrr here, only this time he is taking the negative side which is a healthy thing.
Are you aware when Pyrr was positive and worshipped he only owned a few shares, under 1000 more closer to 200 shares if memory serves. But no one questioned his motives when he was a tiny shareholder and cheerleader.
Do I think it is incredible that he flipped to the other side, absolutely since he was our biggest cheerleader but I want a fair and balanced approach and every member can't be Flip and RK so Pyrr brings balance to the table. I am just astounded as to how he is now being criticized for taking the opposing view!
Pyrr is incredibly intelligent, has been when he was for NWBO and now, the only difference is his change in direction. He still proves his points by quoting info taken off the internet without real life experience. But since he has flipped to the otherside members here don't seem to like his approach, while before they loved his logic.
Bottomline is you must believe what you want but I like the fact that such an intelligent member is looking at things from a noncheerleader perspective, it is about time. I ask myself every day why is it that we must investigate everything with this company and seem always to be in the dark. Yet when LP chit chats she wants us to follow her from here to eternity and is always making promises she never seems to keep. I am long and will be long but for once I would like something definitive to take place, it seems now only Woodford has done something definitive and I hate depending on one person who makes money trading the stock.
Thanks I think ;)
As Noxon once said "let me make something perfect clearly', the reason why I bought this stock was due to the Fox News broadcast in late 2013. Pyrr had zero to do with my investment.
However my DD was and remains questionable because I don't do science.
However that being said since my dad who I took care of until the end had colon cancer and received chemo and that negative experience and the fact that I switched to a Naturopath allows me to feel good about NWBO and what it could mean to the face of cancer.
Now I was guilty for at least prescribing to Pyrr and believing his research and analysis and consequently believing that leading up to ASCO 2014 it would jump big time. I realized only after that he could have just set up his own trades off the obvious impending decline due to non-achievements.
To summarize I am admittedly weak on DD , love what immunotherapy means and believe and hope NWBO does infact have the "special sauce" but dislike greatly hearing the CEO use speak about "special sauce" and wish she would stop speaking and let the doctors do the talking.
Hope this cleared up any questions good or bad;)
Go NWBO!
Xcellent posts by both RK & Foxhound regarding Pyrr! And with Pyrr you have a genius behind a computer that writes like he has real life experience in these matters but has probably never left the key board and gotten out of his apartment. I believe this is key since he has never answered ONE personal question about himself or his experience level in the biotech field. In this day and age highly intellectual wannabes these intellectuals can get away with this sort of influence writing now more than ever and imho it is dangerous because he reads like a doctor in the field when he only stayed at the Holiday Inn the night before. No question he is genius-like but even the rainmaker had issues if you know what I mean.
I again agree with everything you wrote.
Case in point when Pyrr started cheerleading last year about this time and slightly before, he predicted HUGE accomplishments and PR's that never happened. IMHO he singly handedly made for a huge disappointment/let down in the pps. He consistently stated that nothing he or anyone writes could ever affect the pps, yet he kept up the critical writing here like nobody before in addition to the numerous article on SA. Now he has done the same thing this year just taking a reverse stance. I found it hard to believe that someone could make such an about face and be credible and got trounced for speaking my mind. Now he hasn't written an SA as of yet which is a good thing imho and realizing he is a bot of a genius in the way he cuts and pastes everything and acts like a doctor/researcher/trader/insider even though it appears he might have never left his computer since 1999.
I am very wary of him to say the least and hopefully he has finally outed himself.
I totally agree with you Mav but then don't we need some naysayers here to keep this board balanced.
Pyrr is the perfect example, when he was for the company all here listened to his every breathe and worshipped him, now that he did some sort of flip he has lost his following....is that fair and balanced. Pyrr is as smart as he was when he was pro nwbo, how can the members flip so fast, makes for an extremely oneside conversation and ultimately onesided board.
I don't want a pro mgmt conversation, I want arguments!
Hi 5's get old, solid arguments cause growth and development.
I love RYK and think she is cute too ;) but she is totally hopeful to a fault most o the time. Hopefully she want hate me for saying this. Now Pyrr seems to be possibly attempting to influence his trading side. Flipper is one of the only members that appears to be consistent but even with 100% consistency comes complacency.
I look forward to read all of RYK's, Flipper's and Pyrr's posts because with that trio you get the whole enchilada.:)
My concern is I don't like to rely on anyone individual. what happens when Woody becomes frustrated with LP like we all have at different times due to her mgmt style etc. What are you going to do/say when he starts selling? Right now I believe he brings safety but nothing lasts forever and if LP stretches this thing out like she has been known to do...............................
Some believe you don't want to interfere with a fever unless it is just under 105 ie anything under allows the body with a fever to do its job.
I would like attention paid to this post since my father experienced sepsis from the chemo drug Erbitux given to him and nothing else. His Oncologist continued this SOC to him knowing full well that my father got sepsis after each treatment, he only altered my father's schedule of the drug by delaying its administration until my father felt better which delayed his treatments by a couple of weeks. Again my father was in his late 80's and was not at death doorsteps from colon cancer nor from sepsis. I was more concerned with disabling his immune system than from the effects off colon cancer at the end of his life and rather he had a higher quality without Erbitux and letting the cancer spread being immunocompromised although the cancer previously took a tremendous toll on him...he lost half his liver due to the cancer metastasizing from his colon to his liver, and to his lungs where he got radiation treatment and finally to his brain and stomach, not necessarily in that order. Chemo brain destroyed his quality off life, and while sepsis was a hassle he recovered each and every time from that with antibiotics once realized.
Lets have a frank talk about sepsis. My father who did recently ( a few years ago) from colon cancer was given chemo (the very same chemo drug that put Martha Stewart behind bars)regularly and shortly after receiving said same oncologist prescribed courses intravenously he would have to be hospitalized repeatedly for sepsis. I would drive him to the ER and admit him each and every time, he would stay a few days to a week , be released and we would wait for his oncologist to prescribe the same chemo treatment again and it would start all over again. I can't tell you how many times he would be admitted with sepsis. Now we are talking a man in the upper 80's always surviving sepsis only to be given his chemo course thereafter and the process would repeat itself over and over again. It was explained to me that the chemo would decimate his immune system leaving him to the infectious disease. While his Oncologist wasn't happy with this reaction it didn't stop him from continuing this course of treatment to an 88 year old man. It continued for a few years until my dad passed away. What killed him wasn't sepsis, it was chemo-brain ( when the ravages of chemo shrink the brain and make one go insane), he went insane and was committed to the nutcase ward at our local hospital where they ended up withholding food and gave him morphine until he died of malnutrition because there was no place that could take him other than the county jail.
So I just don't know what all this concern with sepsis is other than it is the expected consequence of typical chemotherapy treatments with at minimum the elderly. And now you are going to say one possible case is going to dissuade patients from trying a non-chemo treatment.......bah humbug!/:
Thanks Pyrr for laying it ALL out and for being balanced. Everyone can't be a cheerleader here!
I just can't forget Pyrr's message last summer when he was 180 degrees reversed and just as convincing. To go from the head cheerleader in 2014 to the head reaper in 2015 is hard to get one's head around;)
But either way it is appreciated, I just wish he would understand he affect on the readers and possibly be more careful in his approach with his writings. Having a genius on board is like a double edged sword and such influence can be as lethal as it is helpful.
I am very grateful to read what RK & Flipper and Flipping Pyrr have to say, they do the most research and have the best understanding of the subject material. I really believe them all to be right, no one singlularly but all combined. We really have some great minds here and for that I applaud you all.
I wish you would stop separately arguing and start combing your hypotheses together into one cohesive theory, I really think that would work better. Lets leave the egos behind and formulate together, we are all on the same BALANCED team, no one has to win. When we think together we all win.
Thank you guys or the incredible effort. I could never come close to you all not would I want to;)
When I read that article by Fierce I can't help but thinking how freakin lucky LP is and that she better not get cocky. If Woodford wasn't investing it would have been a down day due to more dilution as opposed to an up day of increased devotion.
I am baaack finally after being absent for quite some time.
Sounds like RK is doing a great job here educating the members!:)
Go nwbo!!!
Many here have short memories.
Last year Pyrr who btw is a freakin genius with writing about this chit was gun ho on the Co. in a positive way....and he was wrong in the end. However I bet he made money trading on the short term. Now he is gun ho negative on the Co. with what he is writing....will he be right only time will tell but I bet you he makes more money with the short term trades. I think there is nothing wrong with writing pos or neg about the Co. and should never be called out on that, however with his knowledge of the industry and interpreting what he researches about NWBO he can make an argument any which we that he chooses and it will make sense so I just ignore it all but it makes fun reading.
Again I ask who is he and what is his background and how does he know all this about the industry and NWBO without working in the field or for the Co. and note I have never had these questions answered by him....he chooses to ignore me.
On another note I agree with him taking the neg side much more than taking the pos side because of the games seeming to be played by the players. Man if it wasn't for Wordford's investing would there be anything keeping us buying? How we worship this one mans decision is incredible and the minute he gets out blood will be running in the streets. Can you tell that I am so sick of hearing about his freakin fund, can you. Just imagine he never invested, then what would all the pro nwbo members be writing?
BTW I still own the stock but realize I should have traded it like Pyrr and RK for the past year and a half and would have made a boatload instead I sit and watch this ship go up and down and get sea sick and make squatt. I am the dummy that is for sure!
Why is it when I say almost the exact thing Pyrr said in his last paragraph I am called a shorter or a pissed off shareholder who needs to get out o the stock but when Pyrr says it no prob it is wise. Either way I am glad he stated the obvious and needed to be said truth that will hopefully influence LP since Pyrr is one smart shareholder and excellent writer too. LP did her job now let the other well versed gents do theirs.
RK,
you sure remind me of Pyrr before he lost it or we lost him which ever came first. Hey that is a compliment.
Seriously between Flip then Pyrr and now RYK I frankly have never seen so many experts in the field in any stock I have dabbled in. Someone here gets info from NWBO imho someone of these kind soles must get info passed to them....how can writers be so knowledgeable about thus stuff while the company is so tight lipped...just thinking out loud. Somehow NWBO's message gets out there one way or another...in snipits but it gets out there. Wouldn't you do it this way if you thought of it?
Lets be totally honest here.
Understanding that we all do our own forms of DD, I have never witnessed the amount of so-called experts re such a nontransparent co who had some much apparent knowledge of the co. If Pyrr, Flipper and a couple of others weren't residing here would some of the current investors be owning what they own.
Have these guys affected your purchasing nwbo in any way? Do you ever wonder how they confidently know so much about a company that releases so little and so ambiguously? Does anyone ever think about this or is it just paranoid little ole me.
I never know if I should thanks them for doing what the company should be doing and that is informing their shareholders. Do you think anyone here is on the co payroll, doing what they are doing for their own benefit or doing it out o love for their fellow shareholders. I am interested in hearing what the remaining members here have to say.
But be honest, don't some of you scratch your head and say "hey how do they know that, or how did they figure that out, or how are they so confident , and confident about a stock that is so elusive info wise in an incredibly risky segment with company that is in such control of themselves (family and friends work there) that nothing gets released unless they want to.
All the chatter here , which imho is just pure nonsense from the members about charts and how we are going to have a golden cross, met resisitance, won't drop below, testing new highs....all a bunch of bs. I didn't want to say anything before so not to be blamed for the reality of today. But this is what happens when we go up on zero news, on nothing but air.
Many here are pure cheerleaders and frankly I am so tired of it. I have to imagine either some are paid to write; write because it is in their own interest to do so; or write to short....but either way I have grown to trust this place less and less.
We can never stick when we go up, never and frankly it is disappointing. The typical things that have been said ad-nauseum are beware of the shorters they are affecting us negatively, or it is a good buying opportunity so take advantage of the dip, or look at the charts and believe in them, a financing is coming around the corner, don't worry little to no volume so no problem, ASCO is coming, we are renting a huge space, we are getting closer to the end of the trial, LP is a genius, all of biotech is getting battered.......every reason in the book except for the most important one......NO REAL NEWS THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT IS INDISPUTABLE ABOUT ANYTHING.
What if every shareholder here is 60-70 years old and dies before it finally rockets upward......does a stock really skyrocket if no one is alive when it does? You tell me, I call this the Never Ending Stock Tale.
Gpo ahead flame away!