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steve. pretend you are the ceo, and top managers, and bod of any
company. you do dd and see kelly's history with the sec, with
biel--do you think there's even the teensy-tiniest chance they
decide to enter into any kind of partnership? no matter how advantageous, because the products do work? kelly writes hilariously
about not wanting to leave money on the table. she's either nuts
or a crook and i do not think she's nuts. no business would join
with any company managed by kelly whelan. she's poison, knows it,
doesn't care one bit, as long as the money keeps coming...
good post simpsonly! intelligent and reasonable, and while i have
a completely different take on what's going on with biel, i enjoyed
and respect how you see things. i also hope you are right, though
i'll need to be revived with smelling salts if you are. thanks!
based on events you're very likely right. i think snaper believed
he'd come up with something that with fine-tuning could be worth
a ton, but i don't think he was that interested, being so old and
having made a lot of money. since he had no ability to delegate
to honest competent people, he would up with somebody screwy. somebody named chas or chaz, i don't even know which.
well, if nobody is willing to step hard into chas and the company
itself very soon, it's going to be another what-might-have-beens. such a shame...
we've got grounds galore tex. but lawyers cost a lot and chas is
probably 'judgement proof,' meaning he's got nothing to sue him for.
why he doesn't give over the company willingly to those who would
know how to make it work? my guess is it feels good and important
to be able to say he's ceo of this company, then tell people impressive sounding things about it--and by extension, himself. he's
a screwy guy...
so, what gives, proto? what gives?
hey cap. hope you and all here are well!
i take it chas cannot be reached. no meeting and not by phone
or email.
there must be legal remedies available to us. how does he have any
standing. he doesn't own the patents. you can't hijack a company
the way he has. granted it would take someone very determined,
possibly with a lawyer, to force his hand. this has gone on for years, and he doesn't even have the courtesy to offer an explanation, not even on social media.
if i lived on the west coast i'd go after him. he is an outrage.
i have known several smart, highly articulate men who had good,
high-paying jobs, but if you scratched the surface of their facade,
what was underneath was seriously nuts. not killer nuts or even
criminal, just living in a fantasy world of their own. they all
had families, and they were all quite responsible. most of them
drank too much when they could or smoked a lot of marijuana; one was
a situational heroin user. i think chas may be one of these people.
he's not bad, he doesn't hurt others--unless you happen to be an
investor in one of his schemes. he believes in what he's doing, but
is totally ineffectual. nothing ever really gets accomplished as
he floats along, doing his best to keep his head above water, capable of producing a reasonable sounding vision whenever necessity
forces him to do so. you can't hate him, you can hardly really blame him. but it's really too bad because if he was a competent business
person ctdt might do very well, and because we're stuck with
him, it looks like our investment will not turn out well.
wymont et al. i did not get so see the clarification from naval nomad. could you tell me/others what it was. thank you!
stay safe everybody!!!
i'm beginning to expect very bad news. this could crater. the company's refusal to address what it must know are the increasing
worries of many investors is causing it to sink slowly in the west.
negative news could send it into a graveyard spiral. why doesn't
lebby think it's his responsibility to communicate about the headwinds?
also, it's very possible chas will have to be threatened with legal
action, for non-performance etcetera, or actually taken to court.
he doesn't have a leg to stand on, so it's possible he'd step aside.
he owns a lot of shares from what i'm told, so it would be in his
interest to if ctdt got up and running...
thanks naval! chas is exactly who i've thought him to be for years.
a con man with a quicksilver tongue. if venture cap or bishops or
a group of long suffering investors do not wrest control of ctdt
away from chas, he will simply let it die of natural causes. there
is nothing to the guy except hot air and excuses.
there is real money to be made because the potential is real, but he
will kill it unless he's overridden. lots of people are just nutty
enough to seem okay while they wreak havoc for those around them...
xsxs. there is no way of knowing what's wrong. there is zero verifiable interest from those who matter, at least if you're a
shareholder wanting your investment to pay off. there is no way of
knowing whether certain statements made by lebby and others with the
company are true or rubbish. the absence of communication is disquieting. it's equally likely that we wake up one morning to find
that lebby has resigned--or the equivalent--and the stock tanks
completely, as that we awake to a deal or deals and the share price
skyrockets. limbo like this is a lousy place to be, no matter how
convinced one is about success or failure. i believe without any
real reason that something will break one way or another before the
end of the year. that's my way of holding it together...
yes and no scope. they certainly do not owe investors money. they
are not obligated to tell us anything. and mostly, they don't. it
would be decent of lebby, however, to let us in on what hurdles the
company is facing. he's an energetic guy, quite dynamic in his way, and also a serious scientist. overall, an extraordinary man. as ceo,
i just wish he cared a little more about connecting directly with
us investors. he has to know we've been waiting patiently for a long
time, and that all many of us have to show for our loyalty are
significant losses. just as a courtesy, providing us with a thumbnail sense of why he's optimistic or why his optimism must be
tempered, words from a highly accomplished, circumspect man/ceo.
carpediem123, love the screen name and could not agree with you more.
happy 4th and hope this beautiful wounded animal nation begins the
slow and difficult process of healing...there are so so many good
and decent people!
agree with everything! i salute you all. the potential is enormous
and there are posters here who can make things happen. all those
willing to actively help absolutely need to be in continuous contact.
also define exactly what you are willing to do and what you are doing and how each part fits. everybody could make a great deal of
money if people are willing to work together and not get greedy or
domineering.
chas may be the least important cog in getting this going!
happy 4th to everyone! our beloved wounded animal nation will heal,
maybe not soon, but eventually. the 60s and early 70s were brutal
too. hopefully getting all this hate and division out in the open
will ultimately have a positive outcome. also,the internet and all the new tech, it'll take quite awhile for humans to really adapt to its life altering affects and consequences...
as likely as anything getserious. kelly will do whatever is possible
to keep her little money tree alive. shareholders? to her they're
a miserable swarm of gnats...by replacing pat with staelin she's
covered one vulnerability. if this ever sees .001 again, it'll be
a surprise.
it's too hard for some to reconcile the excellence of the products
with the personal agenda of the owner/manager. biel is a place where
a few day traders and make a few grand as the pps yo-yos--that's it.
the rest of the story is the whelan self-enrichment program.
yet here we sit, underwater and slowly sinking--again. with no
volume, no buzz, not a word from the company about where things
stand with regard to anything involving actual revenue...and so we
enter another month of another year with not one concrete signal
that something, anything is going to be different. r&d companies
boasting all kinds of wonderful amazing advances go the way of
the dodo constantly. nobody inside or outside the company knows which way this is going to break. optimism, skepticism, pessimism,
they all amount to exactly the same thing. they have no bearing
on what happens to lwlg. wouldn't it be nice if something positive
occurred this july!
excellent venture cap! i applaud you! and thank you!
did you contact biz? is he still an interested party? if yes, get
him in line.
you deserve to see your investment bear fruit!
that is so right iceandfire. if anybody cared enough, that's what
they'd do.
jdwarrior, or anyone who speaks to chas, why not ask him if he's
letting this go to nothing? disappear without a whimper? that's
what's happening anyway.
there are no real obstacles to getting this going. there are excuses, there are lies, but no real obstacles.
jdwarrior, maybe it's not your nature to be direct with someone
like chas--that's fine, you are clearly an excellent guy. but
someone has to talk to chas with a max of directness. no more vision, no more big ideas. brass tacks. what when where. if not
completely satisfactory, then the family must be contacted. i can't
because i'm terrible at such things. i just get angry and angrier
and thus ineffective. but somebody...
having an investment in lwlg is a lot of fun, isn't it vein? being
told where to get off by a bunch of posters who're probably underwater like i am is a real joy also. the perception of this company now when it has achieved a bunch of milestones is as negative as it was when it was unclear whether they had anything. this would be a time when interest in partnering with the company or
buying all or a piece of it or just buying significant blocks of
shares should be sky-high--but all available evidence signals a
vast indifference. i do not pretend to get it and unless they know
a lot more than they're telling, neither does anyone else here. one
thing is sure: even the expression of bafflement is met by a blast
of criticism. that too is a bad sign, it's always a bad sign. i now
check in less than once a week for a few minutes and different week,
same shit applies to a t.
good luck everybody. i hope patience is rewarded!
yea! biel doing its thing, the only thing it's ever done. kelly
doing her thing, the only thing she's ever done. and us guys
doing our thing, the only thing we've ever done, nobody switching
sides, no matter what happens or what doesn't. yea!
i'm convinced now that chas has moved on so there isn't anybody
to work the company. it's a shame. i wish all here the best of luck
and thanks for being such nice guys. that's been the one saving grace of my investment in this strange entity that wasn't ever
able to become a company and certainly not the company it might have
been. be well all!
to those predicting an exciting monday for biel--you go guys. is
there a point where you savvy investors get the point about kelly
and her little money tree? monday in july 2022 promises to also be exciting for biel investors. .0002? .0001? or gone, disappeared, without a trace, no more biel?
impossible to predict...
smart of old kelly to replace her mom with a guy with impeccable
credentials. looks a whole lot better if the sec or a lawsuit comes a calling, as she continues her sweet little game of, we make all
the money...she's got her endgame planned out--first sign of trouble, it's exit stage left.
if there were major companies interested in lwlg, if a deal or deals
was anywhere close to the horizon, lebby would not be addressing
the people who attend these conferences. he wouldn't be attending
conferences period. he'd be hunkered down, working out the details,
he'd be negotiating. he'd be leveraging the deal or deals in the works to secure other deals. that's a big part of his job. he's
the face and voice of the company and their technology. but he isn't
because though there are people here who are compelled to speculate
and jump the gun, lwlg is a ways, perhaps a long ways away from
doing what we all are so hopeful about.
and on it goes. another week, month, my guess another year...and on it goes.
without a single real indication that this will reach a buck. 1 dollar! not one. and on it goes...
jd, pony, cap--if any of you are fathers, happy father's day! i hope
your children are a source of pride and pleasure.
and, in the event that anyone takes the opportunity to speak to
chaz, see if you can get anything, anything specific from him. if
he is actually driving back and forth between los angeles and las
vegas on account of ctdt, he must have something going on that is
real.
most importantly, be well all!
thank you jdwarrior and also pony. wymont's question is a good one.
another might be, if chaz is trustworthy and we are only a couple
of months away from news plus a pr, why aren't you buying? the
stock sure is cheap. and we all want to be significantly rewarded
for our patience and our frustration.
if you get a chance and feel like responding, thank you. i'm already
grateful to both of you for your efforts and your sharing!
hey jdwarrior. how are you? well i hope. in speaking with chaz,
have you asked him if we'll hear from him again in some form? and
if yes, does he have a sense when that will be? also, is he aware
how long it's been since any word regarding snaper's invention
has been issued? and finally, if there is any work being done related to ctdt, how would he characterize that work? specifics
would be preferable, but a non-proprietary description would be
welcome.
i am terrible at such conversations, you seem comfortable and good
about it. thank you in advance. all the best...
good day for the whelans. only people who will ever make money
here. anybody who can't see the set-up will lose all their
money and kelly will say sorry, from somewhere in the caribbean or
maybe the south of france. go, suckers, go...
and yet, proto, and yet.
i've thrown in the towel. good riddance to me. good luck to
all you believers, i hope you get a nice payoff...
you're right jd. i deserve that. taking my frustrations out the
way i do, it's not cool.
i appreciate your efforts. hope you're right. i've nothing to say
to chas and nothing i want to hear from him. i made a lot of dough
in hollywood and there's even more smoke blown there than in the
stock market. actually, that's a very false comparison, because
anybody with anything there, they make money. here, losing is almost
the name of the game, though there do exist plenty of good reasonably safe ways to invest. my frustration comes from having
invested so long ago i can't even recall when, and because i recognize the enormous potential. if ctdt fails, that's fine, it's
hard to get a business going. the lack of action of any kind, that's what burnt me.
but i'll cool out. you guys seem like good dudes, and if on top
of that, you're right about chas and ctdt, well then, big kudoes
to you.
again, sorry for the snark etcetera. be well and good luck...
hey jdwarrior. had any of those reassuring convos with mr. radovich
lately? bamboozled--that's a good word. chaz and bamboozled--they
make a nice fit...
bieliever, you caused me a big smile. thanks. biel and anything related to biel the company and biel the stock (as opposed to biel the products), hasn't given me a reason to smile in a long time. the
whelans are the whelans, which is okay for them and terrible if you're an investor in their little family company/piggybank.
yes steve, the pps is pretty much where kelly wants it. a bit higher, she'd be okay. but when you're selling 100s of millions
through proxies in a careful, slow way and make enough to support
the lifestyle she and patricia are comfortable with, there is zero
need nor desire to rock the boat in any way. they're not looking to
get rich and they sure don't care a fig for shareholders. they exist
only and absolutely as a means to an end: support the whelan lifestyle...
simpsonly, that is wonderful. brilliant, actually. exactly what a
real competent ceo would do and would write. unfortunately...
pure fantasy. kelly is as likely to do this as she is to join the
olympic diving team or go to an ashram in india to practice yoga.
we enter another month. will there be any change? or will the same
posters--myself included--post the same stuff as the company
continues to run silent, run deep with a pps that keeps investors
like me way underwater?
patience, you say. patience isn't really the right word for how long
i've been waiting for promise and potential to turn into revenue.
for gossamer and abstract to become actuality and concrete. for
speculation to be replaced by verified.
ah. another month without a word from mr. radovich. 2020 will be
another year when he fails to accomplish a single thing. the difference will be that this will be ctdt's last year in existence.
chaz will go on to be involved in something, somewhere, leaving a trail of puzzled and frustrated and angry people in his wake, along with a few decent souls like jdwarrior and pony1 who want to believe his rap and so they do.
i'm off to enjoy the next few months--one tiny part of which means
forgetting ctdt and the money i invested in it even exists...before
it actually doesn't.
they would not do it bieliever. kelly's agenda has no connection
to shareholders. neither did andy's. when you cause people to lose
their money, you don't get get defensive and combative when they express their pain. you do your best to explain what's going on and try to make things better. hasn't happened in 2 generations. imagine if someone ripped kelly off--she'd go nuts. i'll bet she'd see red if someone stole $20 from her. right now she'll squeeze what she can out, then close shop, feeling completely justified.
carpediem123. it is nice for me to read a sensible straightforward
appraisal. thank you. it is more reassuring to me and those i'm in
touch with who have invested in lwlg than any other posts. no one
i know has invested big money here, myself included, but, once the
company makes deals and has revenue, lots of money will pour in.
then it will be like investing in nasdaq companies--trying to buy
as low as possible, then sell as high. for those like proto who have
spent a real chunk of their lives following lwlg, i only hope it
breaks big and just continues to go higher. glta!