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Freedom Seeker
Very well thought out and worded post. Although it would be great to hear what our game plan or status is, I can understand the wisdom in not showing our cards too soon also. GLTA
YKR Once again checked out the press release you and the other one keep refering to and got this;
More news from Chile from el Ciudadano.
Link and translation follows.
http://www.elciudadano.cl/2013/04/16/66230/abogada-de-barrick-gold-laura-emery-es-capturada-en-mentira/
Attorney Laura Emery Barrick Gold is caught in a lie
On April 5, 2013 the 17th Civil Court of Santiago, Chile, in case number E-304-2012, established criminal charges Spa Minera Nevada, Barrick Gold Corporation and against Chilean lawyer Laura Emery, company representative.
Emery was caught lying by the trickery of Judge Elizabeth Reyes Kokisch. Kokisch know in depth the history of the case of mining property theft affecting Chilean-Canadian mining entrepreneur, Jorge Lopehanía, as the Supreme Court of Chile seduced by Barrick tried to disable the ruling of Judge Lopehandia for the year 2006.
The owners of the mining law Jorge Mountainstar Lopehandia and Gold Inc. (MSX), have pointed out again that Barrick has no ownership of the concessions and that the company should pay with jail for their losses.
The Citizen
This does not seem to be the proof you two keep carrying on about????
Good post, its one thing to say something, quite another to back up said statement with fact and/or proof.
Yep read were she was caught in a lie by the judge. Sure as s it did not read were she was proven innnocent of anything anywhere? You said that there was a press release saying that she was innocent??? Post case numbers please.
catchathief (And NOW the case against ABX director,Laura Phyllis Maria Emery who was found NOT GUILTY of your and Brent"s charges by the court on June 21. NOT GUILTY...INNOCENT...AT LAW!!!!) you must have links, case numbers, etc to back up your statement.....just asking.
Good post.
Well angrymoney, the latest tranche has been closed and posted and it appears that there are still some people that believe. I do agree it would nice if some of your other polnts were addressed but all in due time I suppose.
If ABX is taking a beating because they lied about Pascua, it is not JRL, MSX , my or even your fault Quer, it is their own. The losses incurred by ABX shareholders is very unfortunate, but it is not our fault either!!!
goldfork, yeah forgot who I was trying to help understand our market, but did notice the nice uptick at the end of the day.
JRL...Thanks for keeping us updated, I don't think you hear that often enough.
Quer. Our MM or anyone else for that matter can only buy shares that are for sale at the price that some are willing to sell for. But why would they (PI Financial) ever sell for the rediculously low prices that are being offered now when they are going to be worth so much more in the (hopefully) near future?
Well it looks like S.D. has an answer for you over on stockhouse silver bars. It seems he has a lot of things to say, most of it sounds good for MSX shareholders, not so good for others.
Yeah looks like everybody is sticking to their ask price. .Sometime in the hopefully near future that ask price will have been a steal of a deal
But shortly after bought 5 times the amount he sold at a higher PPS than he sold for. Not sure of his plan but the result was an increase in his shares to approx 13 million or more I believe. Does not appear to be too worried IMHO.
YKR 2013 is just the most recent affirmation of what JL has been saying all along. Relate it to having your drivers licence renewed, it doesn't mean you did not have one before but you now have the most current one.
YKR Grand Poobah already has posted this info in post 15759. Barrick's lawyers admit that they don't own Pascua Mina, MSX lawyers have published that JL does. It is there in black and white.
Thanks for the info Grand Poobah, clears up the multiple dates issue, as JL was in court multiple times to defend his titles.
So maybe ABX does have the right to mine some land in Chile, is it Jorge's? NO They admitted that already! But they are still breaking the rules on their land, and if they leave in disgrace the minor fact that they never had the right to mine the real MINA PASCUA will be buried.
As for "making nice with Chile" can you say "Guilty as charged your Honor for a lesser penalty" or even "we will leave your country and we apologize for any wrongdoings."
angrymoney, did you get a chance to read JL's post? Perhaps buying up the Argentina side is in the cards. Barrick could spin it as selling off the underperforming super expensive Pascua Lama and "forget" to admit that they did not have the rights to mine the Pascua side. It might not be the first time that they have missed disclosing some relevant information. JMHO
Good to here from you JL.
Stay strong.
This little tidbit from Goldseek.com dated Apr 18,2013 certainly won't be helping Barrick's share prices any, although it does not mention JL/MSX by name.
Even new mines are having problems. Recently Barrick Gold (ABX-TSX) announced the postponement of the Pascua Lama mine in Chile. It was to be one of the largest in the world but it is now tied up in litigation over ownership as Barrick appears not to have clear title. The mine’s reserves are 18 million ounces of gold and over 700 million ounces of silver. This is a potential large source of production that could be off the market for some time.
Seems that this information is getting easier to find. Scroll down to the global gold production chart. A couple paragraphs below that is the reference to Barrick Gold. Although it doesn't mention MSX directly, we can read between the lines, can't we?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pascua-lama%20location&source=newssearch&cd=18&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQqQIoADAHOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.goldseek.com%2FGoldSeek%2F1366297320.php&ei=XRByUYXhLoiVjAKLm4CIBw&usg=AFQjCNHLvMwBK0tvIzIENc_VO77PSJU-WA
Yes JL CLAIMED to have clear title for years, and it seems that he was telling the truth all along! But with so many ABX liars claiming otherwise for just as long or longer, he removed all doubt by getting it verified once again in 2013! Now the fact that ABX doesn't own it hasn't stopped them from preselling both gold and silver from land that they don't even have titles on!!!
My condolences to Brent and family in your time of grief.
angrymoney
Of course they are going to continue with their ongoing lies that nothing is wrong, why would ABX start telling the truth now??
YKR Answer me this....how are you so sure that JL does not have clear title?
So one can expect ABX to shortly announce fiscal responsibility by reducing or eliminating any further expenditures in Pasca?
So you want to play "what if"?
What if a long time ago a lone business man got ambushed by a big bully and his land taken from him? Although the man pleaded his case the big bully just lied and laughed and was totally prepared to just bankrupt the man with legal fees, court costs, etc. And what if along comes another business man and listens, believes the first man's story of injustice and provides the needed backing to correct this wrong doing and send the bully packing. And what if this first man with his ethics and morals is so gratefull that his name and reputation was restored that he works out a deal with his by then friend and his company to be paid by the proceeds of the mine? Would'nt that be a story? Before everyone starts, remember that YKR started the what if theorizing.
island Thanks to the MSX PR and your willingness to post it here maybe we can be a little more optimistic once again. At the very least there should be some kind of reation from ABX.
There was lots of excitement on this MSX board yesterday but half of the posts were deleted. You seem to be able to read deleted posts, care to pass on how you manage to do that? TIA
A question for those that were at the AGM, how many people were there?
Perhaps we should wait to hear from those that were there before speculating?
Good post goldpanner. Some very good questions indeed.
Welcome back Jorge! Yes it would be nice if MSX did a PR to support and back up your claims of clear title. However there are people on this board that say they have seen these documents and to me that holds more water than someone that rants that you do not and is not showing any proof either. As far as Chilean courts results and MSX's press releases, they are on their own time frame and will procede at their own pace. The court rulings may happen any time but I am sure that MSX would want to do a PR before the AGM.