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Not according to the article but that does not make the article right it means of all the data I read that is what I chose as the most credible. I made money on ATRn hope to make more.

Relying on the article which was well written but had some out of date info the article was posted on IHUB read by many & commented on by many as well about a month ago.

They are indebted to other companies as well.

No, it was from an article that I cannot find now, you can believe or not, the article noted that their debt is past due but the debtors are working with ATRN which they seem for now quite happy to do although they are not obliged to do so.

I owned ATRN until two days ago. I do not want them to go under I want the stock to go down & re buy before what I think will be good news comes within a week or so. I am just putting forth possibilities. You do not know me & perhaps it is easier for you to dismiss my words. You are free to do so.

Regardless it is past due, if they had the money or if they were willing they could have paid it already, they have not. I am not saying it is probable but it is not impossible. If the creditor wants the business he can call in his debt immediately to force them to pay or take the company. It is a business move. I have no idea what they are doing & hope to re buy in soon but I do not dismiss it totally I push it aside as not likely until the facts show otherwise or my instinct tells me.

I agree it is not probable but consider... They still owe millions cannot pay back the rest in a timely manner or when demanded as it is already past due.

Under threat to pay the rest or else even though ATRN tried they have no choice but to file Chapt.11 or 13. Not that they did not try but they are at the mercy of the creditor. The creditor can at any time now demand payment they just have ALLOWED ATRN to be late.

Still there are other methods to resolve but it is not impossible.

Objectivity is the mediator and from all accounts a mediator is needed in your instant approach.

The objective reality now is that this thing is a wild card & nobody knows but at least it is captivating.

With a margin acct or regular acct. If you wire money in that is available right away.

Ameritrade: Only for marginable securities not ATRN. There is no waiting period after sale of any stock though if you have margin.

Understood, thanks. Draconian attitude by them. Too stern.

You're talking to yourself this board is smarter than your facade.

Stocks can be analyzed by charts and some here are great at it and make a very valuable contribution. They are very much appreciated but stocks also run on news & psychology. Often charts alone prevail but news and psychology cannot always be ignored.

At this point without news psychology is left and it is a very humble opinion that like Buffet says when everyone else is running that is the time to jump in.

ATRN moves positive tomorrow or Thursday as the point of panic for some grows into an opportunity.

I was looking for 0.031 sometime next week at least or was considering getting out of it

You see any movement in SPAH today

Gotta stand by the Dr. He comes across as a pretty stand up guy. He's good at what he does and not pretentious.

Not questioning respectfully asking for a comment on the below in respect to your last post

This indicator stands for Average Directional Index. On some charting packages there are two other lines on the chart, +DI and -DI (the DI part stands for Directional Indicator). Ignore these lines. Trying to trade according to these two lines is a great way to lose money!

The only thing that we are concerned with is the ADX itself.

It's not the chart but the company that concerns me. Any reluctance on your part due to their business model and the way they form & manage companies?

Understood

These stocks have no avenue for traders to use to trade. The occasional order would probably be MM setting a market. I do believe MicrocapTrade instituted a platform for extended hours trading but for now for all intents & purposes no market exists and therefore they essentially do not trade.

They do not trade after hours. DO NOT.

I'm long on the stock & short on understanding a lot of the posts here.

Thanks I don't if drinking caffeinated water is the best thing to do I'm hanging on reluctantly

Any chance you could address the post copied below
ATRN Chart......Black Spinning Top.......Bearish Star Pattern forming......

Need a close above 0.30 & a green candle for the rally to cont.......

Solid Resistance @ 0.30 going to take some serious buying pressure to head higher.....

Power hour coming.........run to the next level or pullback?......the jury is still out......$$$

Odds this thing collapses back to 25 or under? Emotion is taking over logic, tell me my logic is on & that this thing has legs at least by next week

Do you know the law? First the party that answered was informed. Second Their are only twelve states that require consent.

I was presenting facts for others to choose. If others choose not to believe they had that choice at least to make that decision.

I PROVIDED MORE FACTS THEN ANY OTHER YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE AT LEAST YOU DISAGREED WITH ACTUAL WORDS.

I will not provide this board with any more facts it is pointless. I unfortunately, sadly believe it is beneath me to engage this farce anymore. I am sorry for that because it is condescending & not my nature but it is I feel unfortunately true.

Cargo just rants & that to you is fact? I gave words for all to hear & decide for themselves & that is misleading?

Get real.

I will now do what Cargo said he would do, go. I will not revisit to vent.

Good Luck

Good Luck guys I tried to help I now know the reason people avoid these boards.

It is better I post the conversation perhaps you will feel more comfortable hearing his opinion.

Spooch I respect your your admitting insecurities if you can do that your are secure in a very true sense.

But.... the Market Maker thing ... I wish I knew how to say it in a noncritical way . Spooch they create the spread, especially in small stocks they & they make money from it. I will quote ELCR's guy to "those less sophisticated traders" referencing people who do not have knowledge of the game and the ability to influence the market makers.

Of course they represent us but golly gee they have unending power in these small stocks. I would direct you to do your own research so I do not "lecture" please do so that way you will see I am not a mean spirited guy.

I was not posting advice but facts about market makers facts facts facts facts. They would be facts if you read them on any site or encyclopedia

I never said you were a basher I said the Market Makers control the stock. You said no, I explained the reason & facts you attacked. Again I say I am right factually about market makers.

You can say whatever you want, I can disagree the difference is I present facts. The tou stuff is just a red herring stay on facts.

I will post my conversation with ELCR'S Henry Harrison
hharrison@insidewallstreet.com www.irprpro.com he is their adviser and marketing rep.

Seems every one is wrong if they do not agree with you. I care about making money not being right my insecurities do not rule my decisions or conversations. It makes a discussion useless.

Come on now base your words on the facts please.I will post the conversation.

By the way that was a quote http://seekingalpha.com/article/62243-understanding-pink-sheets-stocks is he also lecturing or are you just plain wrong & unable to see & or admit it

That would all be well & good if it was true... so let me understand, if you are not correct & I effort to make a point even apologetically as I did I am lecturing & wrong. But if you are defending a point that is blatantly wrong that is of no import?

I am right. I could see if I could post my conversation with Harrison ELCR'S adviser media relations guy when he says the exact thing or would he be wrong also.

With all due respect if it is indeed due you are wrong, so unless you want me to be a sycophant I feel it just makes sense to tell you.

First if I am right & you are asking ... is that a waste of time? Do you think I am making this up?

The Pink Sheets — named for the color of paper the quotes were historically printed on prior to the electronic system — are secondary market sales of stocks that are available on the U. S. Over-the-Counter [OTC] market. "Market Makers" — the brokers who commit to buying and selling the securities of OTC issuers —use the Pink Sheets to publish bid and ask prices.

Pink Sheets are created by market makers who handle individual stocks. These market makers are people who specialize in one or more individual stocks and their purpose is to help the market remain fluid.

Market Makers also profit from the spread i.e. from 0.0001 - 0.0002 get the idea a bit or do I need to do more to explain

Spooch again sorry but it is clear you do not understand how this thing works.

Spooch I guarantee the market makers care, without them this stock would not exist. They keep a market going especially for a stock like this

Sorry but no, that is the market makers playing the spread. To assume that is dilution fails to consider the facts.

Ive been told & I agree that the dilution is basically over, that is my point.

The trading that is going on is not dilution in a way that would affect the stock price now. It is closer to what I expressed in the previous post.

Stock needs big news not news..... kinda like sex, men like sex women like good sex... this stock needs more than just news it needs good news if you understand.

A partnership or buyout that gets the job done not satisfies the immediate need.

Check the facts do anything but listen to Cargo.

Dilution is for the most part DONE. There was a choice given ELCR quite a while back either a reverse split or dilution they opted for dilution. That for all intents & purposes is over now it is the market makers making money on the spread.

All of the standard investors have left as ELCR faded so now all that is left are the market makers, day traders and those who are trying to recoup their money.

This stock is just waiting to be bought out or for some deal that would allow them to proceed. They have orders more orders than they can fill.

They are a real company that can get by even if the stock falls apart & they go private without a stock symbol.

We can only hope they indeed do make a deal beyond propriety use or some such which helps build the company.

There will be press releases in the next month hopefully they can boost the stock to 0.0004 or so. That is probably about the range until some breakthrough or breakdown occurs.

Check the facts