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All you have to do is ask, no secrets here..........just standard trading tactics.
Looks like the worldwide melt down is bleeding over into MOSH a bit, let us hope it is as far "off the radar" as most people here think.
Greetings to "Sam I am" the carnival guesser whom I have on ignore.
Oh I have no such moral dilemma with this, I see it as a lottery ticket just like most of you, I just don't count on as a sure thing or anything close to a sure thing. Every Trade has risk. Why must I Cheerlead just because I own the stock? Getting a trade to go right is the easy part, all most of us have to ask BEFORE we pull the trigger is WHAT can go WRONG?
In trading, these moral landmines work out thus.... If you trade it and they pay you, you WIN! I am merely pointing out what I see as a possible RISK in this play, from viewing the defense strategy. The closer we get to a trial the more interesting this becomes. And I was born and raised in New York I moved to Texas in 1994 to escape the ridiculous taxes. No state income tax here, no city income tax here, much lower property tax.
Told you they would attempt to draw a line between real parties harmed and the vultures (like us)who came in later. Will there be a settlement? I believe so YES 100%, Will EVERYONE share in it? I'm not so sure, I find that to be the source of the RISK in buying MOSH stock AFTER the fact. Those that did so were NOT harmed except by their own hand. Those of us that bought into this after the fact walked right into the rotating knives knowing full well we may not get anything. It is sort of like coming upon an bus accident and taking a seat and saying OH I was involved too!! I beginning to wounder if the judge will be suckered to pay us all. this is the RISK factor in my opinion.
Have a nice day and be honest, were you REALLY caught off guard and harmed or did you just get in hoping to cash in on the bus accident?
Justice? ha ha tell me another one. I for one am hoping to leach off the circumstance and get out before the deal is done.
Interesting day, Mosh down 15% Iras ,401ks plummeting all across America. Paranoia and conspiracy theories about MOSH posters abound.Some very strange stuff being posted here this morning.
personal attacks again Ron?
I find that answer to be some sort of SPIN. The point is everyone seems to think MOSH holdings is some kind of hero fighting for the all the poor little unit holders. But when you take a deep look at this group you find hints of something darker lurking in the shadows. Sure they might win and sure we might all get rich due to their action. But you can bet in the long run they will get some larger reward out of it. My guess is they will try and gain control of the remaining assets and offer to "Operate" them. After all the big bad oil companies have already invested all the "big" money and this group is not likely to keep them on. This is a power, money play, plain and simple. there is no "justice" involved. there are some people out there that want to know just how "dirty" the game they are playing is, before they get involved. And don't point out I am not among them, I already know that. I pointed it out because I was called out as a lair on that fact.
My mistake MOSH holdings actually consists of only THREE unit holders. here is the link to my source. http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.zbWc.htm I seem to remember the number twelve from a letter I read on the case, I think it may now belong to a group of intervenors.
MOSH holdings HAS done this before!!!, here is the link, first go to , HOW TO ACCESS The Lawsuit Documents: (above on the main I-hub page for this subject. When you have logged onto the site and entered the case number go to document #Document 38130161, by court 334 (8 pages) also know as exibit D. Go to page 7 (shown on the document as page 148. The trustee Mr. Ulrich is being questioned about the lawsuit and Mosh Holdings. He is asked if he knew the poeple involved in MOSH holdings prior to this lawsuit. His answer is VERY CLEAR "They were involved in a takeover of another royalty trust that JP Morgan bank had as trustee"
As you can see a lot of posters here will either try and twist the truth or just have no real knowledge of the case.
I will blow last message of day........... the HOUSE is voting in minutes! God help us if it does not pass, the market will drop into the 8000's.
GLTA
I see you got the dodge on your question. so here it is.
1.Unfortunately there are no such sites that I can find, so you might want to consider ALL the information other then what you find on Harris county site somewhat tainted by irrational exuberance, greed, or just a plain lack of experience on the risks involved in trading penny stocks.
2. I believe at this stage the upside could be as high as 6-8 bucks a share and the downside to be a loss of your entire investment. But the shares are so cheap that loss would be minimal if you have THE MEANS to invest here and absorb the possible loss without blinking.
3. My info may be suspect as I am here strictly for a trade and plan to be out as soon as MOSH reaches my target price, I am here to play the cycles in the stock and really have no interest in a win or loss, I see a win as a nice bonus if I happen to be in at the time, I am hoping to be out before the Supreme court rules.
4. Right now we are seeing a typical dip in price and it may be a good entry point for 20 to 30% of a new position with dollar cost averaging up or down as you see fit.
5. You realize you are asking for advice on a message board right? there for any information you receive here is suspect as none of us can truly know for certain what anyones true motive is. So in the end you have to make up your own mind with the facts at hand.
Sorry I could not be of more help.
Update, one more important fact. There are 2 MOSH entities here. one is the trust (Mesa Offshore Trust)the other is the group that was formed to bring the suit (MOSH Holdings LLP.) this is the group of 12 unit holders suing everyone ( PXD, Woodside, JPM, AND THE MESA Trustee. Yes you heard right, they are actually suing the trust! Now you will read about how there motives are pure as the driven snow and how they want all unit holders to benefit. You'll pardon me for being skeptical of this "fairy tale motive" when was the last time you saw something like that? If you read the depositions you will find that a Key member in MOSH Holdings has done this before with another trust and ended up controlling the assets. I believe that's exactly what going on here, a power play to control Mesas assets. This theory makes a lot of sense and is of course pure conjecture on my part give the available evidence. Good Luck
Woodside was ALSO assured by the Trustees office. Both sides told them the deal was legit. Why does everyone seem to forget that fact and blow it off? They will get off the hook.........
And I would also like to see an answer to Shisyas post 13887.
So never had a loser eh? what a great trader you must be. The very best trader on Wall street only has a ratio of about 60-40 and not for very long. It is usually much less, but any yearly win over what I would make in the bank or buy playing the S&P is a victory. Does it look like SCU is in the Toilet?, sure does! But eh! My current discretionary portfolio has 26 plays going. You win some you lose some. Be glad to list all plays if requested to do so, but the "bet it all on one stock group" who have never heard or understand the word diversify will surely complain and delete it as "off topic" or some such nonsense.
nonsense, these plays are great trading opportunities, the trading can't be helped as more and more good news comes in. Some of us don't plan on dead money plays and will trade this many time before the end. The trial is not important, it's how much profit can be safely pulled out of this before the end. Traders are looking for as much profit in the SHORTEST period of time possible. Any profit! We never really worry about what could have been, it's irrelevant. I hope to unload this at least twice for 25% or better, it's enough! If I happen to be in at the end, it's just a bonus. If not Pffft. It was still a successful trade.
Whatever was handed over, it will ALways be pure speculation as to accuracy. There is just NO WAY for you , I ,or Kim to prove otherwise. This has pretty much been one of my points all along. PXD will NOT hand over a smoking gun, and no one will be able to prove squat on that point.
Just because I have gone long, does not mean I'm going to lie to myself. That is my opinion,long or short is not going to change it.
All this chat about smoking guns, justice, jail time is just Idle chat and bravado to make some people feel better.
It never happens that way in the real world. Big money almost always manages to wriggle a good ways off the hook even when caught red handed.
it will be maybe 150-300 million tops.
Even when I "do it right" I can't do it right, I did my part in the slide, the "believers" failed to follow through. I should have known they didn't have the means. This lawsuit better work out, the chances of trading out of this anytime soon don't look good. It will take REAL NEWS to move this now. At least I'm making money on WB.
I guess I gotta say good luck or I'm shooting myself in the foot.
thanks a bunch, now I am "trapped, loaded" and can't even get out for even money.
It appears to me that this entire group has lost faith in the stock. It is pretty clear from the trading of late, that they are unwilling to risk anymore on this "sure thing" or they have never had the means to buy it in the first place.
Todays action is most likely a dead cat bounce.
HA HA HA! this is just too much.........looks like I may have to double down in the single digits. We are certainly headed there, the crash has just begun here you know. No one is going to care about this when half the companies in America fail to make payroll on Friday and the Dow hits about 8000. It's too bad, it was a nice case, but the timing is now terrible. Every Joe shmo penny investor out there is going to need every drop of cash to pay the grocery bill. MOSH does not have a large core of RICH investors, this is a "Plugger" stock.
MOSH is worth .40 here. with the trial looming, there is no direction but up. Back up the truck Moshies.
You need to push this up 2 more cents, buy buy buy. My account stands ready to receive your money
have a nice day.
A short alert has been posted to BB's stock haven on MOSH http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=2199
ALERT!! huge MOSH selloff in progress 500K shr Plunge in progress and accelerating. Shorts might want to take note. I don't often play the down side, but am happy to point out a potential money maker now and then.
Happy Trading.
but those 800K shares only cost me .12 I need the cash for better things. More fun to come hang on.
Rawnoc this is your chance buddy, but do you still want to take it? It looks like a full run to the exits according to the volume. Are you going to wait and see if you can pick up cheaper shares?
So the Wieland Interveners no longer like the odds and they are dumping?
the daily chart makes that pretty clear.............
Looks like investors that don't read this board are figuring out that there is risk here if JPM goes down, like Bear Sterns, Leighman Bros. and WaMu. They see the clear risk that if that happens MOSH funding will completely and Immediately dry up. If that happens they know the Trustee will have no choice but to immediately sell the assets to try and cover the loan.
I can accept that, his record on calls is only about 60-40.
he did? really???? why didn't you?
a magic 8 ball?
If it happens you are right,and if it doesn't?? Kind of curiuos here, WM was the number 1 bank by deposits in the country, NOW JPM is umber one, they are wondering on CNBC if JPM may have taken on more then they can chew here. If JBM collaspses next, 1. who you gonna sue in that camp. 2. will the new bank continue the bad loan to MOSH?
Absolutely! I will need the cash when this is over.
hope no one feels like that about 401K's...........
Total lack of confidence in the Market as a whole, a lot of us are going to a cash position this morning, don't you read the news? WM collapsed, if the bailout does not pass, expect a 2000 point drop in the Dow, and a selloff in everything ,including MOSH. The game is no longer about, odds, fundamentals, or technicals. It is now about the pure greed of survival.
GLTA no trade is looking good today, I already pulled the trigger too on trades I had set up last night, and I am selling it right back.
Tell you what I subscribe to Cramers action alerts, it comes with a direct e-mail that often gets answered by Jim. I will shoot one off so we can see what happens, thanks for the idea. If you are right, I can play the pullback on the pxd side.
if you had been reading the boards today and yesterday you would know I bought some @ .22 and sold @ .30. Still long SCU.
I do have a question about the MOSH victory today though. If this was such a Huge deal as some here have posted, WHY did PXD investors ignore the news completely and drive the stock up another 1.45 or 2.56% today??
I find it interesting that main stream traders, institutional investors, and the entire news media don't seem to see this MOSH thing a such a big deal. Does no one find that the least bit strange???
Have a nice evening
Congrats on the win, this is more fun by the minute, that was a nice pop in the stock, will anyone take profit this time??
well some of you maybe.