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Mine won't until the SP goes above 05 and TS starts communicating with common shareholders rather then hiding behind generic answers
Soapy don't all the new CD's have cash pay off cluases while only the orig 001 and 015 did not?
a lot of what you say makes since except for "why did TS resort to using the money leechers again after they supposedly would not let him pay off the old Cd's with cash when he wanted to. That shows me right there they are not the loansharks I would want to do business with again as they could care less about SWVC.
Allow them to convert the new CD's instead of paying them off will show me TS is in it for himself and the loansharks, pay off the new CD's with cash as it becomes available shows me he is working for the good of the comapany and the common shareholder who paid more into this comapany then TS or any of his FOF did for a lot less value and say.
All of this is my OPInion which the last time I new was considered Freedom of Speech in the United States. Since I have had previous posts deleted figured I mention that.
All i am asking is TS address the issue of shareholders questions which are vaguely spelled out in PR's.
After reading the last 100 posts or so it is very clear that TS needs to hold a shareholder conf in order to better inform his shareholders concerning all the questions on the old and new debt that have never clearly been explained.
What better way to inform your current shareholders and maybe even get the fence sitters to move by getting the many questions answered. If he has nothing to hide it could only be to the comapany good.
Ok if TS isn't aware of hte SP then shame on him because if it is being shorted as some claim and he really wanted to burn the shorts (unless they are friends)why not retire 30% of his E's?
He has the ability to stop this bleeding if he wanted to seems he is showing his hand by sitting idle while the leeches rake it in.
He has allowed the SP to drop from the .02 level to where it is today with no care to the commoners holding. What has he loss in that time?
but it will take 200 people to even move it back to .015
Hey TS how low do you need it to go so FOF's\YA etc can buy cheapies to DBL and TPl their investment at the expense of longs.
I smell greed big time here
Feels like another ACMG deal only to a higher greed degree
Really sucks I have to take vacation time to look for another ghost
I need a double double just to get even
better yet they tend to really pi$$ off those that were bilked to a point of they don't care Eye for an eye
AP is this what you are talking about
http://www.secinfo.com/dsvR3.5Ag.htm
or am I off base with this as an ex:
LB with the latest OS numbers whats that leave us waiting on
That doesn't bother me as much as lets finish the 015 Cd and begin buying back the any new ones prior to anymore converting, that will show TS's hand either for the commoner or for the leeches.
I will accept no excuses from TS if he allows the new CD's to convert and our SP is below .10 and I will also except no excuses if he does change his mind and goes against what he said he wouldn't do that being an R\S.
I want to hear it straight from him what he intends to do when it comes to the common shareholder screw the the other shares C,D, e's they have nothing to lose as we as commoners sit at the end of the food chain.
AP hopefully if and when he reduces he retires them an does not run the right hand to the left hand as he did with the orig B's now E's
There are those on this board he does talk to if they called him, maybe one of them would be willing to step forward and feel a list of questions he could then respond to. Basically those who have had contact with him no who owns shares and who doesn't heck even some of the bashers may have good questions if answered correctly and truthfully would cause others to invest.
PD102 the telling tale will be once the 015 CD is done converting and when the new CD's come due if TS is really looking out for the commoner then he will use cash generated from the entities we own to pay off the CD's otherwise if its all about TS he will continue to dilute by conversion.
If he pays with Cash then I will buy more if he continues to convert causing dilution I will then visit upstate NY only a couple hours for me.
Until I see his motive I will refrain from buying anymore as will the group I am in averaged down enough need to show some profits using other plays. Got caught all in with everything once by the good old DR at ACMG won't let it happen again.
Forgot that quote from Gladiator
In this life or the next I will get my something
Thats how I play it now
screw me and I will definitely screw with you is the best motto to live by in pennyland
If I saw the good DR C from ACMG about to get hit by a train I would yell to the engineer to speed up while I kept him from getting off the tracks completely.
weird that it is now an even amount means they added 10435424 from what Soapy has in the ibox
Thank God you stuck the comma in the right place LOL, I haven't had a chance to call the TA today but figured someone would.
TS would have 4 days from the completion of the CD to PR it correct as that would be considered a material event or am I assuming to much.
thnx was really contemplating sticking the top 3 from Cornhole in there instead but haven't had the time, anyway I really want the notification that the 015 is a done deal so as to freeze the OS and see what TS intends on doing with all new obligations when they come due, that will then show me his inner motives either $hit or get off the pot as my father use to say, once he is faced with those it will be show time.
LB where does that leave us per your calculations on the last 015 CD?
Whats your feeling if after the completion of the remaining 015 which could be today if TS continues to allow the new CD's to convert rather then pay them off?
Just curious as to who has spoken to TS either in person or by phone in the last 2 months?
Would love to have a dialogue regarding SWVC with him to better understand his logic in some of the most recent activities and then be able to make a better educated decision on how much more to invest.
If the future is going to be so bright for this company why wouldn't TS spend several hours holding a shareholder conf call to enlighten the retail sector, call would be cheaper then hiring the likes of Ceocast or an IR person and shed some additional light as to the direction of the company.
OT: Another penny I am in heavy on at least answers e-mails and provides insight (and product hint hint)into their product which I had no problem recommending others I know buy into it, but with TS it seems the only dialogues he bothers to have is with CD holders and the commons are treated like lepers.
Don't give me the excuse he is to busy working deals as there is no way he is that busy 5 days a week 8 hours a day that some time can't be devoted to enlightening shareholders outside of the sometimes vague (read into it what you want) PR's.
Dr G
Nice spreadsheet one question aren't most of the conversions tied to the last 5 day average?
thnx Soapy
Does anyone have the conversion essentials for the following I am home and left my tables at work
Series A 100,000 converts
Series C 1,600,000 converts
Series D 1,050,000 converts
Series E 100,000 converts
LB I agree the 015 cd needs to finish up but the 2 things that would instill investor confidence would be 1) TS paying off the new CD's with cash at least one for starters to show he is on the side of the common shareholder and never allowing them to be converted and 2) using some of the E's for increasing shareholder value especially the common shareholder who have taken a beating over the last 6 months.
LB thats what I don't understand if TS is doing all this great good for the common shareholder why isn't retail knocking the doors down to buy more.
TS needs to cut his E's or use them for aquisitions how much does he need to make besides owning 80% and collecting 1\4 million plus shares a year. Probably will eat for free at NCH and bring YA and the leeches there to celebrate.
I know Rome wasn't built in a day but it wasn't destoyred in a day either, Greed destoyed Rome and YA is Greed and its seems to have rub off at least it isn't showing it hasn't yet.
I like your line of thinking except (not bashing) why does the price continue to drop if everything he is doing is going to improve shareholder value long term. Seems majority of retail feels the opposite.
In the last 6 months only flippers, YA TS friends and shorts have raked in money while longs were either forced to watch thier balance go red or average down.
Its great he is buying this and that but I hope he is not buying businesses that neg cash flow otherwise we throwing good shares after bad.
If TS allows any of the new CD's to accually convert rather then paying them off using cash I will be the biggest thorn he ever had.
PM me an E-mail address I can reach u at
I think your numbers are pretty close. I like the idea mentioned by Desparado regarding the posible usuage of E's to further our expansion since most are figuring those plus the current new CD's into the shareprice value, if TS uses the E's as purchase power for the next aquistion then I believe retail will buy back in heavy.
I think because of the conversion property of the E's is what most sitting on the sidelines remain hesitant.
I would love to buy more but until I see that TS is also thinking about us poor commoners I will wait since I already hold a substantial amount anyway.
If TS buys out the new CD's with cash before they can be converted that too will show me his sincership towards the company rather then his own pocket otherwise if he actually allows them to convert into shares then I will firmly believe he, YA and the rest of the leeches had this planned all along to benefit themselves only.
OT:
To anyone from IHUB reading this you really should incorporate within your free and paying membership rules an agreement that when you catch someone using multiple alias's they incur a steep fine since it seems there are many both pumpers and bashers using multiple ID's on the IHUB. Kind of like the agreement you sign when renting equipment in case you damage it the rental company has your debit\credit card number with your approval just in case.
Hey Winnolose:
Heard a rumor this weekend (phone call from an old friend) that our buddy the Dr was in Vejthani Hospital suffering from knee injuries sustained at the hands of some individuals he ran amuck of in Thailand. You hear anything lately?
Regarding our SWVC TS definitely has to work on reducing the OS and paying back the current CD's with further dilution to boost shareholder confidence and bring new investor blood into this company.
Curious we haven't seen a PR regarding the completion of the 015 CD's or did I miss it?
Does anyone have the exact cost of what TS put in of his own cash for the 100K series E's? Trying to figure out how much TS made so far without taking a hit, as far as YA heck most of us could retire and live the good life on what they made from shorting and lending.
Does anyone have any info on whether or not TS and the leeches attended Rutgers around the same time, seems that Rutgers is in the past of TS and most of YA management, not sure on KK and his marriage partner.
won't need to, in this day and age buying protesters is cheap especially those in need of a meal.
I don't care how busy TS's schedule is he needs to hold a conf call for investors to ask questions on why he has done what he has. Heck if we can pay CEOCAST 10m shares plus cash and throw good money into YA's pockets what the heck spend a few $ on your shareholders and stop hiding, we have an IR dept that never answers e-mails.
I agree you need to spend money to make it but explain how TS is spending any of his money seems it is just ours.
LB I agree with you someone other then we common shareholders is making all the money without any real risk since the game is being played between themselves with the common shareholder sitting out of the game and losing. If this was such a great deal why no serious movement?
Why no announcement of the 015 CD's being complete? That should be what the increase yesterday was for.
Again if TS allows CORNHOLIC to convert any of the new CD's then he is in on the pump and dump otherwise he would be doing his best to raise the SP to where his PR's show it should be. Hell with all his friends and his sisters wealthy friend they could buy up the entire float if it was such a good deal. I am sure TS and his sister have at least 25 wealthy friends willing to invest $30K each at these prices and hold long term unless they know something we don't that smells.
I am sick of all these great deals and still watching it stay under the so called value of 03 - 05 a share.
Don't tell me to sell and move on because I won't but I will visit the next several polital engagements and raise questions on his siters involvement in this finacial deal.
YA has never to the best of my knowleged worked to help any company other than themselves, once a leech always a leech. Why TS even continued to do business with them is what erks me after he supposedly attempted to pay off the legacy CD's and they said no because they are the scum of the financial world, they are lower then whale dung in the ocean. My only hope is I outlive the current management of YA so I can visit their gravesites and dump dog crap on them. YA is only out for YA and no one else please don't even try to say they have any decency since they never had or will have in the future.
Red really hope TS has made some real good moves share wise since the end of 2007 that would benifit the common shareholder rather then the leeches. Hope for all of our sake you are right.
To bad the Wild West swift justice couldn't be imposed there sure would be a lot less 3 pc suits screwing the hard working people, hang em high
Do u mean that in a pos or neg way
LB it seems you are starting to feel as I do lately, TS better show some positive events that increase SH value and price and not line Cornholes pocket. Instead of robbing from Peter (shareholders) to pay Paul (YA and other CD holders) I would prefer he takes profits and pays off VD's what since is it to borrow more money tp purchase companies and by the time you pay the note and commission or dilute shares you end up with less value then then you bought.
Reason the majority of people in this country are behind the 8 ball in debt is because they spend more then they make hoping the white knight of some sorts will come along and bail them out.
Either TS pays off the CD's (not by reborrowing or adding to the OS) or he has no financial smarts when it comes to business not saying he has none when it comes to himself and family taking care of.
Has anyone been able to talk to anyone from the IR dept or are they still a ghost we pay monthly for?
I know some of you will say you have to be patient the company is still in its infancy but how patient would you be if you were told to stand around and wait for the fire dept while your house was on fire. The SP currently is on fire and the fire dept is having breakfast with KK, YA and the other bandits.
Maybe someone can truthfully answer the following question which I seem to be unable to pin down a number for.
I know how much I have lost on paper but can't seem to figure out how much Tom is down from his monetary investment
Seems from what I read on the board there are only a handful of us that currently are red.
Has anyone spoken with Ceocast or are they as much a ghost and braindead as our last IR hellman.
Jim I feel your pain as I am red also. TS's true motives will be shown if and when, and I repeat if and when he alows Cornhole to convert or anyone else holding Cd's going forward except for the little remainder of the 015 CD. If TS does not buy back the new Cd's with cash then he is in bed with KK's wife and the other a$$e$ from Cornhole and that is when Texas range justice should begin.
I make no bones about my feeling if and when I feel as though I was scammed, not saying we have been but as with the lying CEO from ACMG I would take a Louisville slugger to his kneecaps and then drop him pn a chum line if ever given the chance.
TS needs to prove he is not going to allow Cornhole or others to convert so as to dilute even futher even if it means he needs to take a hit on his never affected E's.
I am still long and will give him a chance to prove he is working for the rest of us shareholders and not the scum MF CD holders.