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Lol...what a joke. Almost everyday a pr and price kept going down on huuuuugggee volume. DILUTION!!!
20 billion? Lol...this won't go up with a 20 trillion dollar contract. Not at this rate of dilution. This will never move up past .003 unless they stop dilution.
Did you not read the whole post? Watch that senerio play out next year of course he didn't say anything a out 2017. Read my whole post lol.
There was over 600 million shares traded today. Alot of those are freshly printed shares. Major dilution here.
Hey abazaba why would you even remotely think this would close at .02 today? I mean we didn't even close in the green but red today. Jeesh how wrong can some peeps be on there predictions. Didn't you hear Mark's interview today. He made it pretty clear 1st and 2nd quarter's are not going to be anything special. Than he threw out the carrot 3rd and 4th quarters should see big revenue increase. Huh do people never ever learn. He said thee exact same thing last year around summer time about the fourth quarter of last year. Well did you guys like the tremendous increase in revenue we got during the 4th quarter of last year. NO IT WAS THE WORST EVER. Worse than any quarter of 2015 lol. Now what happened to us seeing any increase in revenue for the first q and even more during the 2nd q. Now its the freaking 3rd and fourth q. Do you peeps even realize what that means. We arent going to see any results for the third quarter until the 10Q comes out which is around thanksgiving day lol thats the end of the year and fourth q will come out with the 10k freakin next year in April. Which basically as far as pps is concerned will be a horrible year for this ticker. Unless there is something special in our 10q I predict the pps will break .01 by next Friday and trade between .006 and .009 for the rest of the year unless there is dilution than under .001 before year is out.
He said tremendous increase in revenue for the 3rd and 4th qs. Watch 3rd q show like 300 to 500 thousand dollars in revenue which should have easily been seen in the 10k for the 4th q last year. And than when we finaly get our 10k well into 2018 and the 4th q for this year is horrible again the happy go lucky crowd here will say that is old we are 5 months into 2018. Mark said huge contracts signed and should see big revenue by the end of 2018. Lol watch and see if this senerio does not play out exactly the way I described it this is becoming comical now lol.
Ps. If mark said 1st Q will not be special. What in the world was he referring to when he tweeted "the numbers are real". What was he talking about. Glta still long here.
Like I said 2 years ago about this ticker. The peeps who run this company are without a doubt thee most incompetent morons in the entire pink sheets. They decided to stop doing business right when btc started its most powerful rally. Ive been saying all along this will never ever go any where even if btc was to hit 1 million dollars. Literaly thee dumbest people on this planet run/ran this company. I remember the IR guy dino he would ooz foolishness. where ever he walked he'd stain the floor with his stupidity. Lol. This is I mean was done.
Come on peeps slap that ask like you did this morning. Abazzaba slap it hard. I thought we will hit .02 today the way it was moving this morning. Glta.
Its not SFOR...it was ACS. Are you saying that endpoint lock is our product/patent. If so I will bet it makes ACS alot of money. But not one penny will be seen by SFOR. Remember azura and the lisencing deal we had with them. Did you see any strong revenue on any quarters last year no. So that will be the same from ACS. He likes to give out things for free at SH expence. Hope im wrong but that is exactly what happened here last year with msft.
It won't.
But it went up alot compared to the last time you told me what the OS was over a billion shares. Is the TA gagged or not.
Wow so they aren't going to file an NT. They always file five days after on may 20th. So according to this tweet the 10Q will be out next week sometime before the due date of the 15th. The rest of the tweet was jiberish have no clue what they were talking about. What did abazzaba ask? What does "the numbers are real" mean. I hope it means something good. And that the 1st quarter revenue isn't like 25 dollars lol thus the statment the numbers are real. Glta
What is the OS as of close today per TA.
So what is Mark Kay doing to increase shareholder value now he doesn't want to uplist what the heck. So 4sleddogs what say you about the Q1 you said I will wait for the 10k and 1st Q before I decide what to do lol. What is your predictions about the Q1 report. Cause the 10k was just down right ugly took a turn for the worse during 4th quarter and that is being nice. The 4th quarter made us have only a 45 percent increase in revenue compared to the previous year. At 3rd quarter we were up 170 percent. So including the 4th q we basically seen no turn around in 2016. Honestly to say that there was a clear turn around we would have had to have atleast a 1 thousand percent increase in revenue compared to 2015. I mean look at the revenue for 2015 and 2016 come on that is a complete joke. You can't do anything with that lol. As it stands right now sfor is a turd that belongs in the trash heeps of stinky pinky land. Great potential but just seems that it can't be realized. Kay also knows this that is why he is not uplisting. So sledogs what say you. Are you now going to say that you are waiting until the 2nd or 3rd q comes out lol. Remember 6 months ago he said be on a look out for big contracts any day or week or month but dang 6 months. Sure looks like just a carrot dangling. Glta.
Is this crap ever going to pop. Can someone please post the latest OS as of sometime this week. Anyone have any idea when this might run past .03 or just stay above .02. For the love of God. I have never seen a more annoying ticker. Come on not asking for much just stay above .02. Has anyone spoken to Mark about shareholder value and what is going on here this is ridiculous. Uuughhh.
As of now with no prs and no settlements it is impossible for this not to go under .01. Especially given the horrible 10k that came out for 2016. You also said that about .02 dont forget. Now look how wrong you were. Actually almost every prediction you make is wrong your record speaks for itself. Remember we are almost half way through 2017 and nothing so far but retarded speculation just like last year. Also we won't see any significant gains until 3rd q. Um 3rd q results dont come out till end of November that is the end of the year. So we will not be seeing a rise in pps until than that is unless dates change again and no dilution. So this year seems like a complete wash for 2017. Those are per Kay not me second half of the year.
Ps. Has anyone bothered to ask kay what happened with last years fourth q. I mean seriously no revenue. What gives?
Which one of you was it that went to the sfor office on a friday about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Did you just lia or did Mark lia. But one of you liad. So annoying lol.
What say you about Q1 report coming out in the next three weeks. You said you are waiting for the 10k which was beyond horrible no matter how anyone tries manipulate the truth. But you said the Q1 will be great and should show all. So what are you expecting from the 10Q. Tia.
Same as what. Per TA. Is TA gagged.
Wow so much dilution today. What is the OS as of today per TA.
Isn't it more like 3 million block sold in one shot price is drastically down today looks like about to take a big tumble. Its not what the person that bought knows, its what does the person that sold know. Soon back to under a penny. Why would mark lie and say the price is at .017. When anyone can clearly see it is falling and continously changing. I mean I understand if it was at .04 and consolidating at that price from a drop of .07 to .10 cents. And he said we are holding at .04 which is not something small or tiny move is the words he used. Than that is a clear increase in pps from .005. But if you say we were at .005 last year at this time that is being deceptive. Because we were at .003 just 4 short months ago and that is lower than .005. And 8 months ago we were at .025. And less than a month ago we were trading at .029 and now we are at .014 and heading much lower. And if you go by revenue alone we had more revenue this time last year than what we had in your last updated quarterly so by that factor our stock is worth less now than it was this time last year when it was at .005. And it appears the market is heading that way. So he basically lied to that poster there has absolutely not been a big increase in pps from this time last year of .005. Only speculation increased and flippers made money longs have not benefited to much unless they flipped.
Which one of the cybers went to see mark kay at his office three weeks ago on a Friday C J or S lol...Mark also lied big time to him/her also. It appears Mark is changing his ways. He is not being truthful any longer with these posters. I found him to be pretty honest and straight forward before but now no longer. I just gave two examples of clear deception in his conversations with certain posters here. Glta still long...have not sold a share yet bought all mine between .0007 and. 0012 beginning of June last year.
Hey cyberc or cyberj or the other one. But one of you Cyberzzz posted about 2 or 3 weeks ago that you visited with Mark Kay at his office and that he told you there was about to be alot of money being poured into SFOR by alot of investors and it will be very dificult for shorts to take position on account of all the new money. Than you said if anyone wants to short sfor it better be at the beginning of the week cause it will be hard later in the week. Well 2 or 3 weeks later we are sitting at a 50 percent loss from than. Also we actually got a pr and there really wasn't in shorts. My question is what happened to all the money that was supposedly going to be poured into sfor. Better yet who lied you or Mark Kay. Did you actually visit the office lol. Well one of you lied. If I were you I would be ashamed to show my face around here any more. And if Mark lied why are you still bullish on this ticker.
How much is it as of close april 26 or better yet April 25th sorry.
Wow I read that email from Mark Kay to one of the posters. He had basically nothing good to say about sfor. He told the poster that everything was in the 10k lol and could not really discuss and go any deeper. Well there was absolutely nothing good in that 10k the 3rd Q was a far better report than the 10k and that sucked also imo. Unreal and than to make things worse he basically gave an approximate valuation of his company. 017 I believe he said. I thought to myself after reading that email we will be very lucky to touch .03 this year.
He said it was at .005 this time last year and we are now at .017 which is not some tiny move. Well uuummm we are not at .017 we are .0145 last time I checked and heading alot lower. Also in september of last year we were at .025 and just 5 months ago we were at .003 and basically during the whole month of january we were around .005. That is not this time last year two weeks ago we were at .03 almost and under .015. And the stock being at .02 or higher is not due to him or anything he has done. Anything management has done only caused the pps to plummet ie last november with his infamous youtube video. So actually price is still at .005 to be more accurate. It fluctuates between. 004 and .029. For that reason alone he cannot tell his investors the pps is up it is just a flippers paradise true investors have just been riding a roller coaster.
THAT EMAIL GAVE ME NO HOPE OF THIS POTENTIAL GEM EVER BEING REALIZED. THE MORE I HEAR HIM SPEAK THE MORE I START TO BELIEVE HE WAS FIRED AT JPM. Man how anyone can get anything good out of that email is beyond me.
Yes to your number 4 point. But that licensing agreement does not benifit us at all. We gave it to them for free. Yes you heard me right. They use our technology in there azura cloud security and yes they are making hundreds of millions of dollars through azura mabye billions and we do not get one penny not even .0001 lol. Licensing deal we had with them was a one time lump sum and according to Mark Kay in a email or two that sum was included in that so called settlement of 9.7 million dollars which we got less than 5 million dollars. Now you tell me who really won that law suit through that settlement, all I know with certainty it was not SFOR. When they settled im telling you the dead jumped out of there graves and shook there heads for a minute and jumped back in. Now forward to a year later they are suing 7 more infringers and they got the best but they will need thee very best just to overcome that disgusting blunder that is the MSFT SETTLEMENT what a joke if I ever seen one lol.
Now to those who like to believe fairytales. The settlement happened in January so we should have seen some money coming in on the first q ok if not than the second but for the sake of those who demand that fairytales are true than the third. But than finaly the huge 10K and fourth was down right disgusting. What horrifying results. Now if the 10k doesnt prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we gave msft to use our technology for free than I dont know what else to say. Mark said the 10K proves it what else does one expect.
I also dare say that ACS does own the rights to gid and the mobil one. And 2020 will come and go and no one will ever see any 9 million dollars lol. And during this time ACS will get some big contracts and accounts and make a killing off of our products and we will be going deeper in debt never realizing any revenues or profits lol. Some might ask why Im saying this. Well from what I see Mark is just that type of shruewd negotiator. I think he should read the book THE ART OF THE DEAL might help him a little. It could be why jpm let him go lol jmho. Everyone is making money infringing on sfor products except us. Next 5 years ACS will make millions selling our products. And the next 8 to 10 years law firms are going to make a killing filing law zuits against all the infringers and SFOR will probably be filing for bankruptcy while it's shareholders will be waiting in long lines for there government cheese (hey lol im including myself in that since im a long). And I know all this because. Mark Kay is a true leader amongst leaders and a great CEO. I PRAY THAT WHAT I AM SAYING DOES NOT COME TO PASS.GLTA.
According to your sticky post that i am replying to. They will get a buyout in 2018. Unless your buyout projections are 300 million or less which is under 15 cents a share than I some what concurr with your assesment. But when you say buyout and you are meaning billions and a dollar or more per share than your very post debunks this conclusion of final pps.
You said we will not see substantial increase in revenue until 2nd and 3rd quarter. Ummm if this is to be around a dollar pps by 2018. We have to speak of this ticker in terms of quarterly #'s REVENUE. And no longer pps.
The 1st q revs of 2017 will have to far exceed the weak revenue of the 10k at 382 thousand dollars. By far exceed I mean at the very least 100 percent gains. For the sake of discussion I will keep the #s on the low end in these examples:
1st q 760 thousand dollars. The second q will have to exceed the 1st q by 100 percent increase yet again (this the bare minimum). 2nd q 1.5 million dollars. Than third q again will have to far exceed the 2nd quarterly revenue by atleast 100 percent which gives us 3 million dollars for the 3rd quarter revenue. And finaly the fourth q will have to exceed the third q revenue again by the very low example of 100 percent which now gives us a 6 million dollar revenue for the fourth Q. And will give us total revenue for 2017 of 11.3 well right under 12 million dollars. Im not mentioning settlements or big deals because it is all about numbers anyway. If we get settlement or big big deal announcements and the revenue on the quarterlies are lower and dont match the big deals it will only be a flippers paradise. We never hit ten cents.
I personally dont see us hitting a dollar pps with my example unless there are some huge settlements with those revs and zero debt. Any way my example was to show you and others that these are the kind of numbers at the very least we should be expecting in the quarterlies or Qzzzz, If we think that there will be a buyout in the billions or the pps will hit a dollar by sometime next year. This is low my example that is.
Remember we can no longer say we need a good increase in revenue. If the above is to happen by or in 2018. We need massive increase in quarter after quarter good will not cut it. Unless the buyout will be for 100 million dollars or so. If we say billions of dollars than the above senerio must happen and alot more. So think on these levels when you 1 dollar pps. Remember the 4th q of 2016 showed our revenue decreasing we ended on a horrible note. Also a 45 percent increase in revenue does not constitute a turn around. For a true turn around to have happened in 2016 we would have to end the year with 1000 percent gain in revenue as opposed to 2015. Come on 260 thousand to 382 thousand. These are very very low numbers. You have to climb out of that whole to say there was a turn around. Pluse we still have huge debt and going deeper into debt according to the 10k. When posting we have to be real and not speculate so much. I appreciate your informative post and I truly hope yours is the reality not mine. Shalom.
Im still long here. But do you still think SFOR will fly one day. After that 10k especially the fourth Q I lost alot of my bullishness for this ticker. To me it appears they did nothing with sfor during the last three months of 2016. I was hoping to see the overall debt lowered but it appeares that they are about to take on some new debt and fall deeper in the whole. Also basically no new and literaly no revenue for the fourth Q while hiring to new marketing guys during the entire fourth Q. Its almost hard for me to comprehend that they got no revs for the fourth Q. They are in target office depot/office max and staples and no revenue im baffled.
According to Kay 2016 was supposed to be there turnaround year. The way I see it they tried to turn it around but failed horribly even with the 9.7 million dollar settlement. 1st 2nd and 3rd Qs it appeared like they might be turning the ship around so I waited for the final Q and 10k which was to show the final tally and it was disastrous. They didnt go up in 4th Q from the 3rd Q but they weny way down telling me that 2017 is going to be worse than 2016. They turned it around 360 degrees. When it was all said and done the 10k showed they didn't turn nothing around just saying what the K showed. WHAT DID THEY ACCOMPLISH IN THE FINAL Q OF 2016? Baffles the mind.
Also now I read that interview with George Waller from 2013 and realized this appears to almost be a scam (IT IS NOT) but will give new comers a bad impression of this ticker. That is four years old and they accomplished nothing but rs after rs. If you read that interview back than you would have said this is huuuuuggge money rolling in big time soon. Go four years later and read that you can only come up with 2 conclusions: 1. These fools don't have no patents to ooba/mfa or they are straight up lying.
2. They are just plain dumb.
Im sorry but if you read that now there is nothing else you can say. Those are the only two logical lines of thought. Holy smoke aggressively going after infringers. That is four years ago and they got just one settlement from phone factor/msft,and a very embarrassing settlement might I add. How long were they in a law suit three freaking years and got only 9.7 million dollars and they now get to use our patents for free legally. This does not look good for us any longer. Wow they are still saying the same thing four years later. Ugh
Why is the 2013 interview part of the sticky are we trying to scare away potential investors. What are you seeing in that interview that Im not. Four years later and we are seeing the same crappy revenue and k and Q reports. Very frustrated today about this ticker.
You said you believe this is going to over a dollar in the next year. Well if they sell for 360 million dollars that equals to about fifteen cents a share. You are not convincing. Lol. Good luck
What are all these names...are you saying all these people were in the webinar meeting. And our patents were discussed in this webinar? Just wanting to know. Tia.
CJ look how she trades this will never go no where. Atleast not as a long term investment. What is the OS on this. Is the TA gagged or not. Good god look at the volume 360 million shares and she closed down. Why so low if they have a deal with NASA.
What did you read may I ask? Do share. Tua.
Wow CJ you are here supporting this crap seriously 20 billion dollars lol. This was 15 cents not to long ago look where its at now. Lol...they just announced the 20 billion dollar thingeemujiger. And the price falls? Hmmm I wonder why. By the way what is the most recent OS count on this one and the AS. Is the TA authorized to give out that information?. Or are they gagged.
So you are short or atleast bearish on this one according to your statement. Just got home from work oooouuucccchhhhhhh. I knew this would happen but did not realize how bad it would hurt lol did not sell a share my work schedule doesn't permit me to trade ugh. Still long here. Hope this one will one day actually run like others have. It only seems to start to run and right when it appears she is off bam she goes the opposite way. Wow we had quarter after quarter increased revenue and the one that counted the most we had not the same but literaly no revenue. It is unreal how bad that 10k was words can not describe it. And the stupid wild speculations on here made it even worse. Kay proved with the 4th q we will never do good in the retail market. They simply don't know or have the means to market this to the consumers. 4th q should have showed no less than 280 thousand dollars in revenue and that would have still caused the price to drop. What are the 2 clowns doing that got hired for marketing purposes. Are they gone yet we have no need for them. It appears Mark hired them for the sole purpose of spending more money on nothing just so he can add to the losses. Man that 4th q is mind boggling. Has anyone contacted mark kay about the 2 new guys and what are they doing for sfor. 2nd up from 1st q 3rd q up from 2nd q 4th no revenue way down from 3rd q. I mean they added 2 axtra guys just for that reason and revenue disappears? And jabberz about some 50 thousand dollars not showing up. WHO THE HECK CARES. WHERE IS THE REVENUE.
That fourth q is telling us 2017 is going to be horrible. HSN should have been a very nice extra icing on the cake not the whole dang cake. The entire K as whole sucked for a company touting that 2016 was going to be the year of turn around. It looks like not really. It appeared it was turning around in the first 3 quarters but the fourth showed that it only did a huge 360 degree turn lol. The leadership of SFOR is just simply horrible. Can't say with certainty but could be the worst team in all the OTC running this ticker. Well im done posting.
Ps. What ever happened to what Kay told one of the posters in here. That shorts are going to have a difficult problem trying short this ticker because alot of money was going to pour in here from all kinds of new investors last week and this week. What a lying sack of crap. Well any way im done ranting have only one post so had to say it all in this post glta. Hoping for a serious turn around.
I thought you went to the office last Friday and kay said it would be difficult for shorts last week but clearly it was not difficult. So you lied or Kay lied which one is it. Also alot if money was supposed to pour in last week. Ugh.
What about target staples office depot amozon bestbuy. I mean it was holiday season and they hired 2 new marketing guys they were with us during the entire 4th quarter. And we had no revenue during fourth quarter. Anything under 280 thousand dollars for fourth quarter is terrible. So much for increasing revs quarter after quarter. The HSN was good but it wont help much. By Friday I still think we will be around .01 maybe even lower. Fourth q showed kay dropping the ball in a huge way. I do have a question if sfor was on amazon best seller alot during the fourth quarter how is it possible that we had no revenue recorded for the fourth quarter.
HSN cant help them now. Forget about a good report that thing was a horrible report. Well we are going to be utterly decimated next week. Looking for price drop to go well under a penny. And possibly before end of April to be back in the trips no joke. This 10K makes sfor look like a complete joke. As if kids were running this company. I can only post one post per day.
I dont understand why some of you let certain posters get away with some of the most ignorant statements. Like a certain poster keeps repeating himself and saying we are going back on the nasdaq. How can you go back if you never were lol. And claiming we are going to be at 40 cents in the next 2 weeks. Now we will more likely be under .005 in next 2 weeks NASDAQ LOL FORGET ABOUT OTCQB.
Hey zpaul are you dumping all your shares how about you 49er. Who is not selling Monday. Oh what happened to cyberJ he claims he visited the sfor office last Friday. Lyers I tell ya all of them lol. He or Kay lied. This company will never hit a nickal or these prices ever again. Also what about that webinar. Umm like I suspected that had nothing to do with SFOR lol. That was about all the money ACS is going to make. We will not see a dime from ACS watch and learn. Just like we are not seeing anything from msft lol we will not see a dime from ACS. SFOR is in the business of giving away there patents for free watch and see if im not right. Everyone will make money off of SFOR. We will get very low settlements from all infringers and lawyers will make there money and there will not be any money as they will continue to infringe legally lol. COME TO SFOR WE OFFER FREE LICENSING FOR ALL OUR PATENTS. Mark Kay is a joke just like I said before the shareholder's meeting.
Wow...these fools did nothing in the fourth quarter lol. This was far worse than the third Q which was just horrible in my book. This is unreal how bad this is. I have a feeling this ticker will never scratch .05.
I stick to my guns. I said that if the fourth quarter revenue is under 280 thousand dollars this will be well under 2 cents and by Wednesday could be under .01. Based on what I see so far in the K I will change my prediction a little. Before close on monday (unless hsn does really really good or they issue a very powerful pr which I doubt) I see it going as low or a little lower than .01. By end of next we will be between .003 and .005. FACT. Unless I see something different in the K that I didnt get to. My one post for the day. God have mercy on us longs. Glta.
Are we done. Appears like we are being flushed down the toilet after a great pr. So Kay lied to cyber he said money would be pouring in this week. That or cyber lied. But someone lied money is not being poured in to sfor. And there aren't really any shorts this week plus we got a pr. This sucks. Cyber the one that visit sfor office last friday.
Man this after a good pr. Just emagine what is going to happen next week after a not so good 10k. Like I said before. If our revenue for the fourth quarter is under 300 thousand dollars next week she is going well under .02 and if no pr until the 10Q it will be under a penny again. Did our OS go up yesterday anyone know. This wierd. What is going on.
Hey cyber the one that went to the office last friday. Did mark ly to you? He said a ton of new money was pouring into sfor this week lol. Looks more like money is leaving sfor. But none the less money is not being poured into sfor this thats for sure lol.
I honestly cant see this ever going to ten cents. Maybe a nickel on really huge news. There is no dilution but you would think there is lol.
Wow...we get a pr and the price literaly plummets. Nothing has changed from a fundumental point. We just found out today that we will be on television an added bonus. And the price goes down. Im willing to bet that just from this extra exposure via HSN we will sell atleast one million products during this second quarter of 2017 not hard to figure this. The will sell during the actual airing and will get exposed to alot more peeps. And during the following ten weeks sales will go up tremendously via all the other outlets they are selling through not to mention hsn.com and now quills. But like always whenever they released a pr the price either stayed the same or dropped lol. Since I got in this one last year I always though it traded very weird. I guess in some ways it is good thing. Today should be an up day that was great news. Truth not fluff.
Come on buyers hit that ask hard. Who is selling lets break .028. Something huge about to happen here. HIT THAT ASK HARD ROARRR!!!