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I've wanted to post this a million times "how many people here have read through every word and link on the intro of this page?"
How many read it everyday?
And finally how many will-have read because this post?
I can only imagine how many here who have yet to do so..... Because if you did you would no doubt know how cheap(good of a buy) MSLP is right now.
The only question is how high pps will hold...... The only ones complaint will be those that sold at .30 cents. Instead of a dollar 2 weeks before.... How could somebody complain .02 to .30.... But you will if some body sells at 1.00. It's greed...... Then some will wait and sell at .78..... And those that sold some at a dollar and some at .30 will complain.....
Not saying not possible or better in long run. Saying debt is to heavy to get additional financing.
I have a few opinions on this.
1. The post prior about pump.
2. They could have been paying with the prior dilution(or please advise if you know that these funds were already spent??
3. If they don't show profit and have to file bk because debt is to heavy ( well they go to jail)......will not happen!
To me all motivating factors that say pps is going upupup!!
Our pps depends on the above issues both in short term and long
One thing nobody seems to mention is the pump.
Now before some jump to conclusions and doubt my overall opInion of mslp hear me out:
If they ran a massive pump to 1 dollar and were able to create new support at (let's just say) .30 (30 cents). Do you have any idea if they could actually compete with NSF. I mean literally.
Do you have idea how much debt would be illiminated, and a mslp certified lab pre-paid!
That's why I am focusing on the books in relation to the prs
And manufacturing. Thank you (that makes 5 right?).
That's why I have been harping on the books.... It's in there somewhere, but 1 thing is obvious.. They are spending less.
Really like previous 5 posts. Thanks for touching on the monopoly of NSF, the desire to avoid further legal issues, market presence.
Excellent idea. We need proactive thinking here....enough with beating dead horses. Now is most like not an opportune time, however I personally appreciate the thought and would bet almost anything MSLP management does as well.
I would love if there was message forum for my business that would provide with oppurtune input with vision.
I look forward to hearing more from this board and encourage people to follow your mentality.... Follow through is key
Actually the Lambo might not be the worst investment....It stands out of the crowd for sure everywhere it goes!
I was at my cousins work the other day...he actually got to drive it as well.
Let's just say atleast 5 more guys decided to try their products and some of them even decided to invest when they heard how low the share price is
Agreed.....Thats exactly what I was getting at and would like the answer to your question as well.
Take Care of priorities.....wife!! Thanks for the reminder, I gonna go say hi to mine...suprise by calling it a night.
Just trying to push people to look at the books and verbage of PR's to support numbers. Every PR has been about numbers $$.
MSLP wants a Profit, we want a Profit...and they are finally getting significantly closer....we could as a board attempt to figure out how close the are by focusing on the sec filings and verbage of PR's that would explain the "books" better.
Thats what this is all about! And somebody drops NSF and it's like OMG!.....but all the while the books are looking better and better! Why doesn't this board see that and focus resaerd DD on this aspect? This is where the MSLP PPS lies!
not on one day NSF, next day some NSF, next NO NSF, next day NSF does NOT do supplements anylonger,.
"BOOKS"!
Ignorant was strong....trying to get your attention for a reply "per say" as I value your opinions was the reason.
Yes the volume was massive amounts of shares moved...but wouldn't you want to move the shares at higher price??
If they haven't secured better financing....well its us. You think the want us buying at .045?
They are trying to pay thier debt asap ...so yes I look into this very carefully. Go through my post....I've had major issues/learning experiences to arrive to my thought process.
As far as NSF I gave an example as well in 2 previous post in regards to marketing and financially. I am NOT to say they don't want it or care.
Again, Plain and Simple it wasn't worth the cost today! And I think that is the strongest message they could send to this board and shareholders!
SALES UP! COST DOWN! PROFIT NOW!
not nsf certified. I can barely see this statement.
BUT WE ALL SAW: Bryce Harper, athletes.....need not say more.
I do appreciate your thoughts here....and know you have been here long before I, but I wanted you to think.
You should do the math....then you will have a better idea of what you are getting into.
MSLP issues shares at .045. MSLP PPS is .016.
"Your thought" is that MSLP can buy more shares back faster than they can be sold/convertided/etc. into the open market. NO & NOT LEGAL!!
"Reality" MSLP haveing to pay the difference in "debt". If the PPS was .045 people including many here would still be buying at these levels....as well as many new investors. This the shares being sold for what they were issued .045.
Now do you see the difference? In march they dropped millions of shares on the market (planned sale). How much debt do you think accrued because the PPS was so low???
Start doing some math and reading the actual PR's.
Avocet, and everybody for that matter....Start thinking with a business mentality please....
You had stated you that you "think" MSLP my be wanting to buy back shares cheaper.
The answer to this is NO. They would rather be buying at .05. Get a calculator and do so math on the little bit of the "books" (sec filings) that they have shown.
The PPS being so low is killing them! This is NOT speculative....it's math!
Story about MSLP changing Marketing Strategy.
I've changed some terms to hide identity and my busines, but the point remains the same.
1. I did Paper (yellow pages/verizon) advertising along with getting every damn certification/membership available locally.
2. Realized this didn't work(wasted money) and started doing Pay-per-click advertising on the internet.
3. Improved some, but realized I needed to be more keyword specific to get to my ninche. (example instead of my ad appearing when someone typed flower...now they had to type yellow flower, because I only sold yellow flowers) NOTE IMPORTANT FACTOR is that the more specific keyword the more it cost.
4. Improved some more, but my closing sales % was still not where it needed to be.
5. I continued with my accurate/specific keywords, but I did it accross the country rather than just locally (larger market)
6. This actually had a reverse effect (I took on larger losses again) because my margins nationally were much smaller.
7. I continued with specific keywords nationally, but I made the biggest change ever...I limited my ads to customers had to be atleast 1000 miles from where my product was available (example: client in seattle searches for "yellow flower in Seattle" - this potential client would NOT see my ad....however if they searched "yellow flower in Orlando" my ad would appear. The percentage of closign sales shot up over 400%...(I realized that somebody searching my product was willing to pay way more if they had to travel/ship to get it; to ensure that got what they were paying for because they couldn't just down the street and complain to the local provider.
8. Even better I was able to continue to do this nationally and pay less and get more quality clients because I could go back and use vague keywords again that are way cheaper....becuase it wasn't the keyword that made the difference, it WAS the distance my client was from the product/service.
9. Now my ad appeared everytime somebody time "flower" because I knew that anybody outside of 1000 miles from my product already wanted a yellow flower.
10. Google set me back by increasing my fees as I was NOT as relevant as my competitors were (googles opinion)(google makes relevancy very important) because my keyword flower would get typed in 500 times a day locally (local conversion rates were roughly 3 per 500, yet my ad would never appear; meaning google couldn't make money off me LOCALLY; but outside of 1000 miles "flower" was only searched 20 times and I would convert 5 for 20.
11. I called google and complained about the extra cost I was incurring and complained. they stated what I said in #10 that I wasn't relevant enough....well my numbers told me the opposite.
12. I sued google for the differences in extra cost and the time involved to persue legal action.
13. Settle out of court.
14. I have NO certifications or memberships
15. I have been in the black ever since
Point being things change! Marketing Strategies, Company Structure, etc.
Again, I am NOT saying MSLP will never be or want to be NSF certified, but TODAY it is NOT WORTH the COST.
Do people really think that MSLP was begging to be NSF certified and knocking on thier door saying "please, please, oh please" and NSF said sorry you forgot your homework at home, too bad, your out. This was a business decision as it should have always been...not talking about the decision itself...but the fact they made a decision that the cost was NOT worth it today!
NO WAY! MSLP made a decision to NOT follow through and it was strictly cost based! They want and will make money from now on!
Sorry for the lenghtly post....couldn't think of a better way to make my point....hopefully I was successful.
Regards,
MSLP
Nueronal and Euc, Thanks for that reply to our lovely word manipulating friend....
At the end of the day it was a decision by MP. Maybe NOT the one they wanted to make, but it was MSLP.
It definitely shows its' NOT worth the money today....Let's move on to the books!
Less cost = more profit!
Until this board can get back to relevant information regarding the changing, auditing of their books....I'm going to have to be quiet.
This NSF is such a waste of time at this point...NOT saying it will always be....but I'm NOT informed enough to validate either way....but I do know that they deicided it wasn't worth the cost today!
So I'll move on until we can talk about how we increased Sales 400% while decreasing operating expenses by 25% in the first Q of 2011 vs. 2012.....oh wait maybe this is the money that was wasted getting NSF certified prior to it being relevant to their growth needs! I don't know, but it's a thought.
NSF is NOT worth the cost for them today! Period! I don't care if people think it was a mistake...it wasn't. Maybe there was a mistake, and then they decided the cost of correcting the mistake was too much $$.
Point blank, it reduced cost! Less cost = more profit! If they thought it was the end of world they wouldn't have bought so many shares back and used the money to keep their certification with NSF intact.
People here need to start thinking with a business mentality!!
HamHam, And selling they did and are doing! Selling like crazy!
Now cutting cost!
Sounds like profit to me.....you want MSLP to make a profit right?
Codie, why would they ever need to be officially recognized?
Customers recognize:
Bryce Harper
Mike Vick
Rasheed Evans
Dos Santos Jr
Anderson Silva
and all the others they sponsor....
Remember the goal is to make money....not be officially recognized!
Don't you want to make money off MSLP?
This is a very clear statement....it's NOT worth the cost today!
Any time MSLP says something isn't worth the cost...I love it as it shows they want to make money!
I don't know why you are still hung up on this....we discussed this MSLP - NSF issue yesterday.
Plain and Simple! Less cost = more PROFIT!!
Great Post! Agreed all the way, MSLP is on track!
Trying to bring attention to my Post as these are the issues that I think should be discussed and have true relevance to the value of MSLP in the very near future.
Take a moment...it's long, but has a point.
Should NSF ever have been a center of attention here?
Should MSLP have ever attempted to get NSF certified?
No excuse here! It's Plain and simple! Not worth the cost! They are telling us clear as day....we want and will make money from now on!!
I think it actually says alot of good about them and what is going to happen in the near future. MSLP is MSLP...they don't need NSF (NSF essentially trying to create a monopoly)by saying that people should only persue products on their site.
If MSLP knows their market (I don't even care if NSF is cheap; which I doubt) and their customers don't care about NSF, then they shouldn't pay a single dollar for this.
If you go through some of my previous post you can tell I speak from my business experience.
When I started my business I thought I should get ever certification and membership available to validate my business to the public. I have learned that it was the dumbest and biggest waste of money. I had clients tell me I had to be a member or they wouldn't use my services. BS - if my service was good enough, then they wouldn't ever leave....and they haven't.
Only difference is now I make a profit... I learned the hardway like MSLP.
Hey General have you talked with justlovethegame in awhile..both of you have very good and interesting insite regarding MSLP....very similar as well. would love to hear a conversation between the 2 of you.
This board is finally thinking with business thought rather than emotion for once. MSLP shouldn't be about a label....it should be about making MONEY$$
Glad to hear the NSF becoming mute on this board....the asnwer is that MSLP decided it isn't cost effective today....the may decide it is again in the future, but NOT today. I like the decision to cut cost and Go Black.....cause once they go black, they will never look back.
Now let's talk think abour the Q1 more proactively. What would cause them to lower Operations cost from $1.1million with a sales net of $ 4million in 2011....all the way to operations cost of $727,000.00 with sales at $16million?
Soooo they decreased Operation by 28% yet increase Sale 400%....obviously some books moving....but what was moved?
Why the late filing that made us all upset(wawawawawaaaa)?
Why all the amendments?
I would guess from my experience as I have been through many audits with my business (it's operated in CA; and we have more regulations than any state) that MSLP was trying to get everything reorganized by the Due Date. The SEC looked at it and said "No Way" can you submit this looking half complete. It's up to you, but we would suggest come back tommorow with this cleaned up and you will have to deal with a "E" for a day. Then you can file ammendments to clean up the final issues.
When I got audited by Workers Comp the first time, I thought I was so prepared. Auditor showed up and left within 15 minutes and told me to get certain docs together so he could do his job.(some were docs that I didn't organzie correctly, which meant it would take him forever to go through and complete the audit....and some I didn't think applied to my business and structure) I simply rescheduled and got the neccessary docs together in a format that would allow him to do his job correctly. Done with no issues!
Then after the 2007 crash...I completely restructured my business top to bottom. By 2009/10 the business was so different in the operations aspect that I didn't even come close to completeing the audits that I finally had experience with.
These guys HIRED PROFESSIONALS to clean up a 3 year financial massacre. I can't image with the volume of product, growth, and time they have been operating and recording books.....how long and hard (pain in the ass) it would be to get everything cleaned up.
Plain and Simple!!! I'm NOT worried about late filing or the continued ammendments....we are basically getting to hear the conversation between MSLP and the SEC....and they seem to be communicating!!
However I am trying to create my own book on them because the movement of books is hidden within the language of the PR!
Of course it can kill a company, but it can also force MSLP management to get their act together...I don't think anybody wants more legal trouble.
At the end of the day....nobody is going to let all the marketing that MSLP has done go to waste. Somebody will take advantage of it....whether MSLP can go black, a buyout, a merger, a hostile takoever....not important to me at this point.
Going black and being seen everywhere you look is priceless....as in only the future will tell us the true fair value.
Thanks for pointing that out Codie. It could also lead to huge amount of success as well. One extreme for another for MSLP. My business has been profitable ever since I stopped trying to get ahead of myself and doing everything perfectly without having the cash flow to keep my business in the black....That's what MSLP is doing....getting their business in the black.
Since my business hit the black....it's never looked back. I basically did everything MSLP is doing. Sold assets, minimized risks by outsourcing, a complete restructure. And the only way I would know how to do what I did is becausee all the mistakes I made.......Does that sound like MSLP to you??
MSLP going black and never looking back!!
And as far as lawsuits....it's a sign of success. Who sues a company with no money? This phrase isn't a spin....its a fact.
I am well aware of this....he got me banned a few weeks ago....thats why you didn't see my posts for awhile.
MP is positioning themselves financially....they are very concerned with the bottom line at this point.
And once the bottom line is improved....the rest will take care of itself.
Agreed....I get very disappointed when a poster has some good points....then they decide when to be "complete" vs. "partial" in their comments, replies, and analysis.
My thought process exactly regarding the NSF cert for MP....I just think that they didn't think it was worth the cost as of today....for now... we'll see the future
Codie, So out of my entire post this is the only quote you provided to dispute....c'mon mr. partial. Atleast repost my entire post if you are going to quote it.
It was just a thought and it makes complete sense to me. Why would MP pay to have everything repackaged or throw it in the trash...just so they can be NSF certified. That would be very stupid on MP's part.
I run a business and I know that I wouldn't pay the cost to repackage everything....
Plain and simple!
If you have a real point; I would like to hear it regarding MSLP and what they could/should do differently so that they don't have to incur further losses. I mean we all want them to make money so we can make money, right????
The NSF certification seems to be a cost issue. In March NSF said that only a few products were certified as NSF and that they were only available directly from Musclepharm.
Well that says that MP was working with NSF on the issue so NSF gave them the certification for those specific products and only directly from Musclepharm.
Like I said "today Musclepharm doesn't think it's worth the $ to be certified"
I think thats alot smarter than going back and throwing a bunch of product away and loosing millions more $ over a label. So until the backlog of product is sold out....they won't be NSF cerftified.
Plain and simple!
Thank you for atleast backing me on the BBB, Chamber of Commerce bs.
My point being before I had experience in the business world I thought I should have those memberships and had to $ for them....complete waste.
In regards to MSLP; they just keep signing top talent, but drop the NSF.....sounds like these guys are waking up and realizing what does carry value. It seems they think paying for NSF isn't worth it today!
That's pretty much it.
Many products do not carry the NSF mark. Are these products that have failed NSF certification and are less safe than products that carry the mark? Not necessarily. NSF certification is a voluntary process and NSF International charges a fee to the manufacturer to have the product certified. Many products are manufactured that meet or exceed the NSF safety standards but are not inspected or certified by NSF.
I guess some here think this is an issue.....and some don't!
Not worried about it all.
Hey General, suprised you didn't jump on this post. You said you have experience in the business world....
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=76170923
It amazes how one issue can almost create a situation where everybody forgets what the true issues are.....and then this board runs over the same bs over and over.
Does anybody know how much it cost to NSF certified?
Does anybody know how it affects their sales in the US?
Does anybody even think it will affect their sales internationally?
Does anybody remember that the only reason the got the Eurpac contract because the products were deemed substance free?
This NSF is given to much value on this board. If we have a conversation about NSF....then why doesn't somebody answer the questions above....then we would all know if this is even a relevant topic.....for all we know everybody here will glad we are no longer NSF as it cost too much.
Anybody here who runs a business will tell you the 75% or more of the memberships that business have to help establish credibility are absolutely bs. Like the Better Business Bureu - it used to be that a business had to have "a,b,c,d,e,f" all put together correctly to gain this credibility. Now because of its "so called history of being a good source to find credible businesses" it will call any and every business to sell advertising "but the act like its a membership" It'spure crap!
So until or unless somebody can shed light on the questions above...move on to why the $2.6 million in interest payments.
Crossroad...YES and NO. And to be honest at this point I don't know which I prefer or is true.
The dilution was imperrative for growth...maybe excessive at times, but that was due to their ignorance. I don't think they even understood their own accounting before the last 6 months....but they do know! PR's
If their plan was to quicky buy shares back at the .045 and get the share price to hold....all would have been (let's ok). But they didn't....back these posts...General helped me get my thoughts on paper.
They are using CASH flow (because they make soooooo much $$$$) thats' its still better to pay the difference of .017 and .045. Do you understand the significance of this???? If its' true????
Or they could be greedy bastards on their way to jail??? I don't think so!!!!!
HOSTILE TAKEOVER BY EXECS OVER SHAREHOLDERS!!
MSLP LONG
Seriously? I never received anything from them for my investment....how did you purchase your shares?
In regards to another post...I hadn't posted for some time as I was banned for ....telling somebody to shut-up!...don't want to get bannned again
In regards to legal trouble....it's being handled as we speak....why do think the PR for Q1 was different than actual?
As far as work in Brasil....for specialist like yourself...coming sooner than you think. Brasil is being very smart with their growth...they are trying to contain it at this point and minimize their risks by selling significant stakes of ownership and also alot of outsourcing of the work itself.
Once MP blows up there....all we be good. For example I am pretty sure (working on getting the hard facts), but Jack3d has a contract to sell product at "x" price...and the contract also includes that nobody else can sell less than "x" price without Jack3d getting a percentage of their competitors earnings.
It's basically a monopoly.....which has been broken or will be broken soon.
Anything can happen there....I wouldn't be suprised if sales there are larger than in the US....eventually.
Brasil is growing so fast!!!! and they are learing by the mistakes of other countries; including the US. 5 years ago you smoke anywhere, anytime, inside restaraunts etc....and now, you can only smoke outside.
They are becoming more health concerned and green as well. People don't litter nearly like they used to.
I remember my first time there and I would put out a cigarette and put it in my pocket until I came accross a trash can, and my in-laws would literally take it from my hand and throw it on the ground. Now they don't litter at all!!
Steroids were very common until 5-10 years ago there as well....not so such anymore, but they do use products that aren't as safe....but that is changing as well....sooner than many think!!
Just to share: my investment philosophy (other than MSLP)
Brasil = commodities (the world needs resources)
US = Banks (the world is accustomed to brokering deals in dollar)
China/Asia = Trash can/ recylce (all the worlds junk goes there, including the World Trade Center from 9/11)
In Jan 2012 I sold everything I had....and found this by accident (MSLP) becuase I provide services for them from time to time. Waiting on further info before I extend my investment in MSLP. I am waiting to find more International sales DD, and how scared MSLP managemnt is getting in major legal trouble if they begin to act on their words (that time is nearing).
And I just started buying the DIP with my philosophy and expect to do so until late August/September on a weekly basis. Its going to be one of the best finishes to a year ever regarding the global economy!!
Will do....looking forward to hearing back from my contact as well.....he assists in the cardboard packaging from the factory for shipping product.
Thinking very similar....how can they continue to grow when paying debt at enormous rates....shit thats why I filed bankruptcy I one point.
I was fighting not to for many reasons....especailly integrity. All the banks were filing in the crash and I had to fund my business with Credit cards at 19% interest rates so I could pay employees. I negotiated better rates and payback process with them, then all of a sudden my wife went to get food from the store and her card declined because the bank went behind my back and changed to terms of our agreement.
I went to the store to pick her up as she was crying and couldn't drive. Within 30 minutes I hired and BK attorney....done was done as done is done.
Less I say I had paid 85% of my principal debt and the banks still wanted to F me over with a 20% interest rate where I was getting in further debt everyday, I negotiated with them, and then they screwed me over behind my back.
I think MSLP may be dealing with a similar issue in regards to freeing themsleves from some debtholder with NO remorse. When I find them....I will handle it the same way I handled my personal issue. enough is enough.
MSLP will NOT file BK, but this issue is definitely sucking the money out of them and making it difficult to move forward.....trueth is I think they have moved on....it's just taking time to see the results on our end.
I should also have some very good DD on Brasil very soon.
This board is just begining to look into what I mentioned weeks ago. The market there is huge. Google how large the population of Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo Brazil is. They play futbol, then MMA.
I already know where the factory for Jack3d is and who some of the distibutors are. I should have some pretty concete info soon....but currently the overall consesus is that is basically in the launching stage there.
I'm hoping to find out even if there are using the same factory or if they are building their own. With all this NSF stuff....I'm not sure they could be ceritifeid by this agency if they are actually producing the product there....but the margins would be HUGE!!
If they already have things set-up in Brasil....this thing will explode. This process take much longer than people can even imagine. Taxes, improt taxes/regulations, etc....not a easy fast process
I watch grass grow too....it's been growing 5 times as fast as MSLP has been. Warmer weather just helps get things going....all it needs is some water, but I took my time to prepare the soil very well before I put in the SOD....now I got the best lawn in town.
I really like your post yesteday about share price and the $2.6 Million interest payment. I have been running over this for days now...and can't come to a conclusion yet either.
Sometimes I think that one problem they ran into was that the share price didn't break .04 on the last pump. If you look at the payments the made along with the Shares issued the fair value for the shares was roughly .045. They may have been suprised that the PPS wasn't able to break this threshold and are now stuck a little further behind on becoming cash flow positive then they anticipated. They may also have run into the problem that they couldn't shake out enough longs....which is good and bad....based on my next comment.
I also wonder when people say MSLP wants to buy cheap shares back. I think there is a srtong arguement that this isn't true. If they have to buy out loans/shares issued at .016 when they issued them at .045; think how large of percentage loss this is to them. They would rather buy back shares at .05 and then retire them...thus increasing the PPS even futher. This is will then allow them to show positive results accross their entire books.
Hopefully this isn't too hard to follow....even my head gets a little confused with this thought process.
Any ideas why only 5 Market Makers at end of day....rather than the normal 12 or more?