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Newtrader,
Good point! You have lots of good questions!
Now I will ask a question. Just curious as to why you say that you "already know the answers" to the questions you ask us here on the HCPC board?
Why ask if you already know the answer? Why not just share all this HCPC DD with the board? I'm sure we'd all like to see your answers! Any more DD on this stock would be useful.
IMO.
I've seen it done quite effectively before. News on a saturday can allow word to spread over the weekend and produce some insane trading action on monday, by the time everyone has found out.
If you don't mind my asking, why have you become one of the people that you hated for so long? I understand the frustration, but can it at least wait till the audit comes out before you start trying to "save" newbies from this stock, just like so many others?
People who post honest questions here will have them answered if the information is available. There has been much good DD done on HCPC, thanks to Cash, Libra, Brent, etc.
People who simply bash, or who ask questions and later admit that they had the answers all along, will be treated as such.
Most investors have (rightly) found that there isn't much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed. We're just waiting for some bombshell audits at this point!
IMO.
I agree! And most people will probably find that three loans have been closed (first time in the company's history) and because of those closings, this is projected to be first profitable quarter ever.
Unless one happens to believe this audit (which has been done by a company Heritage has worked with before, and has been confirmed by Carol both on air and in a PR) is just a fake, prudence would probably dictate that it would be smart to hold those shares.
IMO.
NewTrader,
You said:
"As always not meeting their promised deadlines"
What promised deadline? Their PR never said the audit would be completed by May 30th. They said they "expected" it to be. The process of auditing, when done properly, is filled with time-constraining hair-splitting nuances. Trying to accurately predict a completion time is near impossible!
Similiarly with the closing of the first two loans. But after their anticipated date passed, they still managed to close both loans.
Seems that if volume is low that's because of "no interest" and if volume is high that shows "dumping". HCPC can't win!
IMO
Very good Spec! I am heading off to Ft. Benning for a while but I have marked it on my calendar.
FYI I never said this would have a major run. Still think I drink kool-aid? I would suggest rereading relevent posts before bringing up an argument.
Hell, if you win the bet I'll stop posting here! Because by then I'll be fed up also!
All the best.
NewTrader,
You said you think the "longs do not want to address your questions."
What evidence do you have for this claim? If you ask a question that no one answers, could it just be that no one knows the answer?
What exactly makes you think there are some longs that have the answers, but just don't want to reveal them?
And if you really believe that is true, why don't you just answer your own questions yourself (since you said you do know the answers)?
Forgive my ignorance, just trying to understand your thought process here.
Yes your false claims. e.g. you didn't post in December (you did), you warned people not to buy at .0005 (you didn't), etc.
Your credibility has been destroyed. You laugh because you know it's true. I corrected your false statements, and in return, you called me a "kool-aid drinker."
Very well. That shows me exactly how much intelligence you have
How bout this. Let's make a little wager...if, in 3 months, HCPC has not gone above .0002 OR if it HAS done an R/S, I will write you a full apology. If it hasn't R/Sed and the pps has risen above .0002, you will never post here again.
Let's see how confident you are in your animosity towards HCPC
Deal?
NewTrader,
You have asked multiple questions on here when the answers are readily available. Why not do you own DD?
When the board doesn't answer, it's probably a safe bet that either 1) We don't know or 2) The people who would have an answer are not around to read your post.
If you are too uncomfortable with this (and you do seem to be quite uncomfortable) why not just sell?
haha ok Spec. I do my own DD on HCPC, and check your claims and discover that they are false (multiple times), and yet you think I'm the one drinking kool-aid haha!
Quite typical. You have no argument so you say i drink kool-aid. ok buddy!
whatever you say!
What about it lol, they prove my point! You are hilarious
Exactly - he's just one person. Can you show that more have also done that? Nope
I disagree.
I highly doubt that many investors would want to bail at .0001 for a loss when audited fins and Q1 results are due any day.
If volume is low, people say there is no interest (or no demand). If volume is high, people say it's evidence of the company dumping.
Seems like HCPC just can't win Hope these fins come out soon!
Agreed.
I think the overall problem is that too many people got into this with the intention of a quick flip. When that didn't materialize, the company suddenly became a "POS."
Well if you invest wisely and don't put too much needed cash into Pink Sheets, you ought to be able to afford to wait it out if necessary.
I don't need that money any time soon. I'm willing to wait for news and see what Carol has planned for this
Spec, in regards again to HCPC,
You are still wrong. You said "I wouldn't touch this POS."
Well I did. I touched it after you said that, at .0001 and .0002, and made a lot of money selling when it ran again.
I never said they weren't diluting? I also never said you were shorting?
You are quite humorous. You were wrong before, and now this. Do you routinely just make stuff up?
I'm sorry, but you are just not a credible person. I think that's been demonstrated quite well here tonight.
Good luck in your future trades.
Amen heels.
Yep. We've got some steady hands here now though, it's gonna be tough to shake us!
Looks like some pretty intricate DD you guys have been diggin up tonight...hopefully we'll soon find out how this all relates to Heritage.
I've got faith that this company has indeed closed the loans it says it has, and that is a substantive start. If it turns out that for some weird reason it goes down the tubes, I haven't invested more than I can afford to lose.
It seems there is much going on behind the scenes. There was nothing to indicate that the first two loans would close when they did, they just sort of happened (after delays).
Audited fins should bring pleasant surprises :)
Spec, I hate to say it, but what you said with regards to HCPC is completely false.
Check your own posting history. You began posting when it was at .0002, and never posted when the pps was .0005.
Furthermore, you never posted anything that says anything close to "buying at .0005 is a bad idea."
I hope this doesn't damage your ego too much.
So I said you are wrong, and proved it. Does this mean you'll stop latching on? Or will you prove yourself false yet again
Thanks Spec, for proving my point
Who's holding a bag here? This was a 5-bagger for me in Dec, and a 3-bagger back in Feb. So I guess I am, right now, holding a free bag that has MORE than paid for itself, and still has potential
If I had listened to "vets" like you back in Dec, I would have much less money than I do now.
Glad to know you guys still monitor this board so closely, it just proves our point (must take lots of time going through all these posts, huh?).
Forgive me, but I simply don't believe that people randomly choose stocks to "latch on to" for months and months and continually check message boards/post negative comments about them just to "save newbies."
But good luck to you as well. I hope the boards of your stocks are relatively free of bashers.
Look, this is pretty simple. If you lose confidence in the company, that's understandable, but just sell and move on.
Why come back repeatedly to proclaim to everyone that your confidence is lost? Just sell and look for a new play.
In the meantime, the rest of us here know about the 16bil A/S, and are willing to wait for word from the company, because there is still enormous potential in this.
Good luck in your next play.
That's a likely theory squid.
Over at HSM, the fervor over HCPC was awesome when it ran to .0007 in December. Then on December 30th, two veteran HSM posters joined the board and began bashing, and ever since then they have not stopped - no positive remark about HCPC over there has gone unchallenged.
But it isn't only that. They actively report about what's going on with OUR board here, and warn investors to stay away.
It seems very unlikely that these two posters would continue to control the direction of the HSM board for months and months and report on the status of our board just because they "want to protect new investors."
Like it or not, we are motivated by money. Common sense tells you that for the amount of work they are doing, they probably are also.
cash,
can you PM me your e-mail address? I have an idea i want to share with you, and maybe get your take on it. Thanks.
Well said!
It makes no sense that someone who invests in stocks (and presumably, wants to make money) would waste so much time consistently posting negatively about a company unless there is some financial motive.
Still, you can't totally rule out the possibility that some of them might just be bitter from losing money on this a while ago.
But now that I've checked his post history, your post makes a lot of sense.
We have a great DD crew going here, and the DD is stacking up nicely. We just need a confirmation on the purpose of the A/S increase.
LOL.
You have absolutely no financial interest in this but you spend days and days posting just to combat pumpers who say "to da moon."
So in other words, you combat one type of unsubstantiated claim with other unsubstantiated claims.
In response to your inquiry, HCPC claimed that "based on conversations with the auditor" etc, so they have been in contact. If you choose not to believe that though, a few weeks ago someone (I believe it was cash but I could be wrong) called Webb and Co and confirmed it. I'm sure you could also.
I'm sorry that people who say "to da moon" bother you so much that you repeatedly come back here. Must be tough!
And thank you, but trust me, my heart will not be "broken" even if this company folds. I'm amused you actually think so much of my life revolves around this, when you in fact are the one who's been returning here for months when you have no interest in this :)
Ok that's cool, I can respect that. So why come here week after week telling us not to trust the company. Do you have some interest in this?
Wrong. Please provide evidence to show that funding has not begun yet.
These bashers are hilarious. They have no argument other than "you can't trust the company, most pinks are a scam."
Just goes to show you that we must be on solid ground here when they can't even come up with any substantive reason for people to sell :)
In light of the company's revelation that their audited financials will be done by Webb and Company, P.A., Certified Public Accountants, please provide evidence of exactly why you think their financials will not be audited.
If you honestly believe that your money has gone to help Carol and Ed with their living expenses, then why not sell? It would make no sense whatsoever to stay in if you really think you are just providing them with a cushy lifestyle.
And those who are claiming the fins might not be audited: The fins will be audited, the name of the company doing the auditing has been provided multiple times. Nice try though :)
Anyone know what the 200ma is now?
Exactly.
Those MMs who keep up with IHUB were probably thrilled with the talk of mass exiting, and are waiting for those impatient traders to give up their shares at .0001 after the delay was announced.
Let them play their games. We can wait :)
Hooah, Milo.
Well said.
I think he means you have no financial interest in this.
It's cool to speculate on both sides of the company if you are invested, but to have no money at stake in here and speculate on all the negative possibilities just seems like a waste of time, and a slap in the face of those who do have money at stake here.
Most people here know the risks involved.
The delay of the audits isn't a bad thing at all, they just need more time.
Those who have been around here since Jan will recall that they delayed the closing of their first two loans for 30 days, beginning on Jan 22.
Well, Feb 22 came and went, the board was in an uproar, many got mad and sold.
Four days later they announced the closing of both loans, and it was an instant 4-bagger.
Patience is a virtue.
This is good. Now instead of setting some arbitrary deadline that anxious people will be agonizing over, the PR about the audit completion will come as a complete surprise to everyone when it is finished.
IMO the patient longs will ultimately be rewarded. We were in December (7 bagger) and again in March (4 bagger). The cycle will begin again.
Yep. Anyone notice the run to .0007 in December?
That is not true. Check out Wikipedia's page for "Pink Sheets"
"Many of these companies do not file periodic reports or audited financial statements with the SEC, making it very difficult for investors to find reliable, unbiased information about those companies."
Thus HCPC voluntarily decided to audit.
Notice too what so many of the bashers are doing - creating self-fufilling prophecies.
Scenario 1: The company doesn't release any info (or keeps delaying) and the stock goes under. Bashers turn out to be right.
Scenario 2: The company releases a PR showing something negative. Bashers turn out to be right.
Scenario 3: The company releases a PR showing something positive. Bashers turn out to be right BECAUSE they've already set themselves up for this by claiming the company will be "stringing us along."
So see, they will never be wrong, no matter what the outcome is. You cannot rationally argue with individuals like that.
It's useless arguing with them. They use the company's silence as a means of spreading doubt (and it works). No matter how good the news/PR is, they will always see the worst case senario. Time is on their side until a PR is released.
We can take solace in the fact that so many people are taking so much time out of their day trying to "save" us poor investors from this "POS". If this was really a scam and was really doomed, they wouldn't waste their time here (because they wouldn't need to). I've seen it happen before.
Why else would anyone logically spend so much time bashing a stock that they don't own? Either out of revenge (a disgruntled investor who lost money and wants to see the company fail, or to get cheap shares before impending news.)
I've seen it all happen before. They will disappear when positive news is released.