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>>>sorta presented always colorful, insightful and reasoned opinions...<<<
Agree. But too many nazi references say the critics......no matter what the context. So what if he used nazi analogy to make a point? He made his points well and accurately too I might add which is more than can be said for a number of Bush minions that cut, paste, blather and insult critics day and night without consequence.
Somebody told me he's got immunity from higher up. Whether it's because of pity or friendship......who knows but considering what he gets away with he enjoys special membership privileges for sure.
>>>I know some people who have speech impediments who are in the genius area.<<<
Bush has shown no signs of belonging in that category. He speaks just fine about simple stuff and things he's had a chance to repeat often (bring the evildoers to justice) but totally loses it when he has to process unrehearsed data.
Does this look like a genius to you or does it look like a retarded fool who's trying but falls short?
>>>i think because there are sooooooooo many issues right now that citizens are concerned about, this one will be ignored.<<<
May be part of it but for me........I stopped watching after the defense said for the third time they "couldn't imagine" the things the kid was accused of were true. That's mandatory rhetoric for the mother and the lawyer of any defendant and not exactly headline grabbers. The public in general has little interest in what lawyers can or can't imagine. They want easy to understand proof that grave injustice is carried out or they'll move on to something else....(imo).
>>>for a back you can get them standing up<<<
You can get a lot of things in hospitals if you ask for it. But you have to ask or demand since patient comfort rests securely at the bottom of many physician's priorities.
The more I listen to people with medical issues and the more I watch the discovery health channel the more convinced I get that physicians with a sadistic bent don't just exist in bad movies. There are amazing sedatives available these days that make patients totally unaware of the torture they're being put through but a lot of doctors choose not to use them or even offer.
Just watched a 5-year old boy having bone marrow sucked out of his hip bone after what was clearly a half hearted effort at minimizing his discomfort. Three people held him down including his parents who were visibly upset. The video stopped at a point where the poor guy appeared to pass out from screaming and pain. How's that justified in this day and age?
>>>at 500 ppm, its at 500/1 million molar or therabouts or 5/10000 or a conc of .00005 molar. this means going from 400 to 700 amounts to a change of .00003 concentration units or a change in absorbtion of .0001 percent. on the other hand, water is at 200,000 ppm concentration<<<
exactly!
>>>watching for the signs to be found in current events.<<<
Appreciate your take on what you expect is coming. What are the "signs in current events" you're looking for?
I know but some will be here to watch it so what's in store for them? Wonder how many are leaving anyway? Just the faithful 28% or some independents too?
>>>I know a lot of fine Christians and theologians who think that the rapture could happen soon, perhaps even this year<<<
Whether you're among those who think so or not, any thoughts on how this event might affect life on earth?
what a waste of time you turned out to be....
Control the media? How and by whom? Also......what DID those editors apologize for in your opinion if it wasn't for selling the war on their own fron pages?
>>>You are assumptions of media "selling" the war to the American public are wrong.<<<
So the editors of america's largest newspapers apologized for their part in selling the war because..........they had no part in selling the war?
But we have found a number of instances of coverage that was not as rigorous as it should have been. In some cases, information that was controversial then, and seems questionable now, was insufficiently qualified or allowed to stand unchallenged. Looking back, we wish we had been more aggressive in re-examining the claims as new evidence emerged — or failed to emerge.
The problematic articles varied in authorship and subject matter, but many shared a common feature. They depended at least in part on information from a circle of Iraqi informants, defectors and exiles bent on "regime change" in Iraq, people whose credibility has come under increasing public debate in recent weeks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/international/middleeast/26FTE_NOTE.html?ex=1178683200&en=a7a1...
WASHINGTON - The Washington Post became the latest prestigious US newspaper to question its own coverage of Iraq leading up to the US-led war, saying it underplayed stories questioning White House claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
Administration assertions were on the front page. Things that challenged the administration were on A18 on Sunday or A24 on Monday," said Pentagon correspondent Thomas Ricks.
"There was an attitude among editors: Look, we're going to war, why do we even worry about all this contrary stuff?" he added.
In retrospect, said Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr., "we were so focused on trying to figure out what the administration was doing that we were not giving the same play to people who said it wouldn't be a good idea to go to war and were questioning the administration's rationale.
"Not enough of those stories were put on the front page. That was a mistake on my part."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0812-01.htm
consider where he's starting from. 35 hour work week with impossible union influence on business, anything goes immigration policy and punishing taxes. What kind of conservative do you think he is? The kind that outlaws abortion, abolishes existing gun laws and starts faith based initiatives?
You understand that in most ways, a french conservative is closer politically to an american liberal than to an american conservative?
a little worried about what kind it attracts though. Those who mistake it for something abandoned to sleep in or the "free spirited" ones maybe?
>>>It's a chick magnet I must say !!<<<
Probably a collector's item too.......one that still runs that is. Haven't seen one on the road in a decade.
Camry? How do you stay awake behind the wheel and where's your spirit of adventure? -06 Porsche Carrera 4S here. Not a dull moment I assure you.
>>>i am in a bad mood:<<<
No chit. I can usually understand you but not tonight. PMS?
>>>BTW got you by 1 inch and about 10 lbs.<<<
If you're truthful....yes. Are you? Had you as the standard Bush republican....i.e. little guy driving a big car.....Escalade or Navigator. Tell me i got the car right at least.
>>>For me, 3 sets of ten @ 235.<<<
Got me on that too. Peaked at 210 if memory serves. All that bulk of yours will get in the way though. Gotta be nimble with just the right amount of horsepower to back it up.
You have me confused with someone else. I never walk away from a discussion. In this case I'm trying to find out what the hell you're asking me so I know how to reply. How hard can it be to look up the post you're bothered by and either copy it or the link to it along with your question? That's how it's usually done here you know....
6'3".....195. What happened to my post to you? You're telling me the board monitor found it by chance and ditched it? Someone reported it and you probably know who.
won't find any glee from me.....guaranteed. Can't say I was sad to see him go though since added nothing but recycled trash to the board. What ticks me off is when someone who actually engages in real discussion gets booted because his or her delivery is considered overly spirited or something to that effect. As opposed to Bush republicans who hate opposition and go to great pains to eliminate it, I actually wish there was more of it. Why do you think there's a "no-lib" board but no "no rep" board?
i wrote a lot of things on the subject. why don't you start over...ok? Find the post you refer to, quote what troubles you and then ask your question.
what examples are you referring to?
>>>Other than the fact that the statement is 100% accurate, what is the problem with it???<<<
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=19384859
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=19395096
>>>I agree with Hap,make your case<<<
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=19397982
You're a sick little man, a coward and just plain dysfunctional judging by what you demonstrate here. Why you still post to me I don't know but I'm sure it's got something to do with provocation and the eventual goal of getting me deep sixed too. Advancing Bush's fascist doctrine gets easier with each opposing view you can eliminate doesn't it? The glee among your ranks here when sorta was tossed was telling to say the least.
How would I know exactly what part of sorta's posts made him upset? I'm aware of his past, I stated my opinion on how I read some of those comments and that's that. I'm not dumb enough to think he'll read them the same way I do but should that stop me from speaking my mind?
>>>so why don't you just take your argument directly to Zeev<<<
If he's interested in any such exchange or if I'm to be investigated for the next permanent ban I'm sure he'll let me know. Until then I'll respectfully leave him alone and let him deal with what really matters right now if you don't mind. Jerk.
>>>but its really pretty silly to look at this one phrase<<<
It's not the phrase itself. It's the fact that he's impossibly ignorant. How does he NOT know that number? Doesn't it make you wonder he has managed to avoid seeing and hearing about it? Is it another commander guy who doesn't do news and current events but prefers video games? I don't want another one like that so I'm a little sensitive to any such clues......ok?
Say you were a presidential candidate and you were asked about a figure that's front page news every day, would "several thousand" be an impressive attempt to say 26,000?
Point is.......these clowns take the stage once every four years and tell us they're ready to lead the free world. Then they take another breath and prove that they're basically stupid and clueless. Not all of them but it shouldn't be any of them considering the job they're applying for.
several refers to "more than two or three but not many". That's a good description of 26,000?
What about most retarded response of the debate? If anyone beat this one I'd like to see it:
MODERATOR: Governor Thompson, Joanie from California wants to know how many American soldiers have lost their lives in the Iraq war, and how many have been injured, to date?
THOMPSON: There's been over 3,000 that have been lost and several thousand that have been injured.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18488970/
>>>what rules apply during the heat of intense discussion..??<<<
not sure but I think it.....depends.
>>>I see you still don't get it. You honestly don't believe that people use the term "Nazi" to sensationalize their argument?<<<
Wrong again.....YOU don't get it. Of course it's used to sensationalize. I said as much in my first post on this. Familiar with the word "embellish"?
Instead of trying to get through to you again the conventional way, try this clip:
"A column in the New York Post by Ralph Peters, a retired Army intelligence officer, which made repeated references to Nazis, the Gestapo and 'Hitler's Brownshirts' to describe the strategies of Democratic presidential hopeful Dr. Howard Dean and his campaign."
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4734_52.htm
What's the problem with that Nazi reference piece? I read it as a comment on political discipline, loyalty and organization - not as a comment on the underlying political cause.
>>>Anyone who has so little mental aptitude that they have to use the word "nazi" in their argument is certainly not displaying intelligence.<<<
Well.......I just disagree. The way the Nazis brainwashed an entire population into compliance and sympathy is unprecedented in human history. They manipulated their own citizen's minds with tactics that are still being used and still work which is why references are still made to those tactics. You obviously can't distinguish between the Nazi political organization and their philosophical operation and execution.
Another example would be 911. Top US intelligence officials have marveled over the planning and execution of the attack and the discipline of those involved. Is that problematic too?
I really think the word Nazi is so offensive to some that the word itself is unacceptable no matter what context it's in. If that's the case then that should be disclosed, especially in a forum like this. Adding it to the tos column ought to be simple enough.
>>>Insinuating that the term "Nazi" is a simple jovial, sophomoric jab at someone is an insult to the intelligence of those of us on this board that have displayed any<<<
Trouble reading? I didn't insinuate either jovial, nor sophomoric. I insinuated that "nazi" in political discussions is used almost without exception to describe political tactics and political discipline. Seems a bit over the top to ban someone for life from an internet chat board for making the same kind of references our own senators and print media types make on a regular basis.
Below, please find NJDC's Top Ten list of recent abuses of Holocaust and Nazi rhetoric by top GOP and conservative leaders.
1. Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL), October 11, 2004
Speaking in opposition to stem cell research: "We certainly have all seen the rejections of Nazi Germany's abuses of science. As a society and a nation, there ought to be some limit on what we can allow or should allow."
2. Representative Tom Cole (R-OK), March 3, 2004
Under the headline "Cole Claims a Vote Against Bush Is a Vote For Hitler," KTOK News Radio in Oklahoma City reported on its Internet site on March 2 that "Republican Congressman Tom Cole claims a vote against the re-election of President Bush is like supporting Adolph Hitler during World War Two. It's what he said recently before a meeting of Canadian County Republicans."
3. Representative Peter King (R-NY), September 8, 2004
Speaking in opposition to a legal ruling on abortion: "That, Mr. Speaker, is a modern-day equivalent of the Nazi prison guard saying 'I was just following orders.' It was all legal in Nazi Germany at the time."
4. Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), September 5, 2002
Speaking in opposition to a Democratic tax plan: "Now, forgive me, but that is right out of Nazi Germany. I don't understand ... why all of a sudden we are passing laws that sound as if they are right out of Nazi Germany."
5. White House Insider Grover Norquist, October 2, 2003
As Washington Post Columnist Richard Cohen first noted in his January 6 column, "extremely influential GOP activist and White House insider Grover Norquist... compared the estate tax to the Holocaust" during an October interview on National Public Radio. Norquist -- perhaps the most important non-elected leader of the conservative movement today -- had originally stated on NPR on October 2, 2003, "The argument that some who play to the politics of hate and envy and class division will say is, 'Well, that's only 2 percent -- or, as people get richer, 5 percent, in the near future -- of Americans likely to have to pay [the estate tax].' I mean, that's the morality of the Holocaust: 'Oh, it's only a small percentage. It's not you; it's somebody else.'"
After some had taken note of Norquist's completely unacceptable and quite purposeful rhetoric, a January 23rd article in the Forward gave Norquist a chance to retract his statements. Instead, he asserted that his original statements were "entirely reasonable," and he added a new wrinkle -- a comparison of Democrats to Nazis. The Forward article quotes Norquist as saying, "The Nazis were for gun control, the Nazis were for high marginal tax rates.... Do you want to talk about who's closer politically to national socialism, the Right or the Left?" Moreover, Norquist "told the Forward that he would not hesitate to use Holocaust comparisons in the future." (Click here for the complete Forward article)
6. Bush-Cheney 2004, July, 2004
The Forward reported that "President Bush's re-election campaign is refusing to withdraw an ad containing Nazi imagery from its Web site, despite severe criticism from Jewish organizations and from the Republican chairman of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council." (Click here to view the entire article)
7. Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), October 11, 2004
While speaking on the Kyoto Protocol, an international global warming treaty, Inhofe quoted a Russian official who said the treaty "would deal a powerful blow on the whole humanity similar to the one humanity experienced when Nazism and communism flourished." In reference to the protocol, Inhofe added, in his own voice, "The world has certainly turned on its head that we Americans must look to Russians for speaking out strongly against irrational authoritarian ideologies."
8. Conservative columnist Ralph Peters, January 5, 2004
The Anti-Defamation League has taken note of what they described as "A column in the New York Post by Ralph Peters, a retired Army intelligence officer, which made repeated references to Nazis, the Gestapo and 'Hitler's Brownshirts' to describe the strategies of Democratic presidential hopeful Dr. Howard Dean and his campaign." ADL National Director Abraham Foxman wrote in a letter to the editor of the New York Post on January 6, "Such loathsome comparisons are wholly inappropriate, deeply offensive and repugnant. Surely, Mr. Peters could have found some other words to criticize Dr. Dean without reaching for base comparisons to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. Using such images demeans the Holocaust and the memory of the six million and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.'"
9. Dr. Laura Schlessinger, January 2, 2004
Controversial radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger compared professional day-care practices in America today to such practices in Nazi Germany. According to the Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, Dr. Laura "read a letter from a listener who criticized the lack of one-on-one attention given to children in some day care centers, especially those calling themselves 'Child Development Centers.' Dr. Schlessinger commented that 'it sounds like something out of Nazi Germany.'"
10. Mississippi Governor and Former GOP Chair Haley Barbour, October, 2003
On October 15th, 2003, the home page of the Internet site for the infamous Council of Conservative Citizens featured a photograph of former Republican Party chairman and current Mississippi governor Haley Barbour at a barbeque "sponsored by the Council of Conservative Citizens to raise money for private academy school buses," according to the site. The same page of the Internet site elaborates on the views of the Council of Conservative Citizens, including an image encouraging viewers to work to "Free Zundel," referring to notorious Holocaust denier and Hitler defender Ernst Zundel. Barbour has refused to distance himself from his association with the CCC.
http://www.njdc.org/emet/detail.php?id=434
In a speech on the Senate floor on June 14th on the situation at Guantanamo Bay he likened American treatment of prisoners to what "must have been done by Nazis... that had no concern for human beings."
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4734_52.htm
Other than that, just curious........who except for yourself has "displayed intelligence" on this board? Wouldn't be yayaa, extel and razor would it?
>>>You equate vile hate filled bigotry with dissent? That kind of convoluted logic is what's pathetic.<<<
Hate filled bigotry or straight from the gut commentary? Where's the perspective here......that's all I'm saying. Politics gets emotional and everyone use analogies and embellishments to some extent.
The code word for getting into trouble on this board however is clearly "nazi" even though it makes reference to a lot more than killing jews. Their political apparatus was awesome which is how they came to power in the first place. Their use and dissemination of propaganda set new standards and is still the model for some as was their discipline and loyalty among the ranks. Ruthless dissemination of propaganda and robot-like loyalty to the leader.........seen any of that over the past 6 years that may have warranted some references to political operations of the past?
What I'm asking is this: If sorta made nazi references to someone, do you think he inferred that person was a jew killer or jew hater or do you think he inferred nazi-like, mindless loyalty to a hard right regime?
The board's bush gaggle celebrating the death of dissent again. Pathetic.
>>>The muslims- who are still living centiries sgo in their minds think they still have rights to most of Spain because the Moors controlled it centuries ago.<<<
What you seem to be saying over and over is that every violent act by a muslim can be traced to ancient history and has nothing to do with current or recent events. Would you at least concede that some of each is involved? The Madrid train bombing came 3 days before an election that ended up ousting one of Bush's strongest allies in Iraq. Pure coincidence?
>>>And you want to reason and try and understand and appease those people<<<
Trying to understand what fuels their hatred is not appeasing. While you're pinning your hope on the fantasy of one day having killed them all I'm trying to think of a different angle. Don't know what it is yet but I know the plan you support has as much chance of succeeding as the plan of killing every rat in NY city.
>>>Here you are at your most blind: It is s cultural clash- WESTERN culture, not American culture<<<
If you can't tell the difference between recent years terrorist threats to independent western european countries and the attacks on america and its allies you have no business talking about blindness. Scandinavia for example has a huge muslim population but the clashes you refer to are on social levels as opposed to violent, jihad like attacks on civilians. They're problematic but have been contained for decades and almost never deadly.
>>>I guess you missed the train bombing in Spain<<<
After Spain joined the Iraqi freedom coalition.
>>>London train bombing.<<<
UK.......# 1 US ally in Iraq
>>>Guess you missed all the bombings where they are killing OTHER MUSLIMS who don't agree with their radical sect.<<<
Or they're killing muslims who are perceived to side with americans in Iraq.
>>>French car-b-ques and repeated rapes of French women. I guess you didn't hear about the knife murder of Van Gogh for his film they didn't like?<<<
You're comparing cultural clashes and common crime with the jihad against america mentality. Different animals.
Whether you like to admit it or not, certain elements of muslims hate americans with a fervor that has no equivalence and the cause of that hatred has to be understood if you hope to reduce the threat imo.
>>>they want to kill you also<<<
Of course they do, but why? I've asked you this for three days now and you won't respond. Don't you ever wonder why they'll blow themselves up to kill an american but pretty much leave everyone else alone? How do you expect to fix the problem if you're unsure of what the root cause is? You could kill all of them I suppose but you'd have to either sniff out each individual Al Qaeda member in 100 countries or kill 1 billion muslims on earth. So which one will it be?