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Looks like today's free lunch is cooking....up near 4%
5% lunch yest, 9% today (.017 - .0185). At least free lunch for somebody. Not me
It's fun yet sad to read all these posts that formulate, construct, conjecture, justify, explain all the ridiculous goings on with vplm that don't make sense, like the insane massive sustained insider selling, so called settlements with zero details, court dates continually pushed back and never rescheduled, obvious and frustrating lack of info from company, continuously falling stock price, etc etc.....
Yet the posts find a way to characterize and categorize the company as legitimate. Therein lies the cognitive dissonance as I see it. The dots simply don't connect and never have for those who have paid attention to all the details, not just the ones that support their wishes, hopes and beliefs.
When looked at for what it is, which is a rogue, insider share selling, personal insider ATM and a non fiduciary and a leader with no followers and a so called product allegedly worth in the many many billions but no one ever buys, licenses or settles, now so in its 2nd decade, then all the dots connect perfectly. The company has also consistently posted total bs PRs with enticing but phoney baloney.
But don't forget.........its "in its best position ever" and all you need is open ended patience.
Seen it all before.
Dream on...
Just checked. When I 1st posted, the pps was close to or at the low of the day. Then, after I made that prediction, it was almost exactly 3pm and the pps shot up to just under 2 cents. I think it went to .0198 and that was the high of the day and it was either the same or slightly higher than where it started at or near the beginning of session. When I saw it hit the hod at approx 3pm, I was looking at the real time chart and that's where the price was at that moment. I didn't follow where it went from there as I was busy with other business. I see now that it did not stay very long at that predicted price but it did go there as predicted and 5% can provide a nice lunch. I didn't say it would recover and be there at the end of the day. I said I guaranteed the price would jump back up to where it started and it did just that!
No I'm not kidding. I'd have to check the actual numbers, but when I posted the pps was at the low of the day at that point, looking at the real time chart. I'll have to go back and see exact what that price was. So I said, if you want lunch money, I guaranteed it would go right back where it started. Later I looked and that's exactly what it did as it went right back to the high of the day where it had started. So I was exactly correct in my prediction. It's that simple. I recall that when I posted the prediction, the price was down exactly 5% at that point. And when I went back to check later, it had just jumped right back to regain the entire 5% and the chart showed it was at exactly where it started before it started sliding down that 5%. That's fact so I don't know what your talking about. And....as I also predicted several mos ago, when you said the price would be going down down down to a penny or whatever, that it would stay in the avg of about 2 to 2.5 cents. I haven't actually done the math since then but it appears to me that the avg price since then has been pretty damn close to my predicted 2 to 2.5 cents right up til present. Yes, the price has dipped below that but I was talking about overall average pps.
And there we go. Told ya. There's your lunch money, just as I predicted a couple hours ago. Soooo predictable.
Hey, if anyone wants to make lunch money, I guarantee the pps will bounce back up where it was.
Hot flash! Double barreled good news sends vplm stock..........downward, lol
toofunny
In the previous iteration of this case, there was a REAL win with locksmith receiving $355k+. A jury awarded that. There was, as far as I know, never any explanation given for that award and amount. I Believe it was the jury giving RK back some of his loan money he gave to vp. I see to remember that old filings showed that there had been previous partial payments made to RK, hence the reason the award was only $355k+. Of course they (vp) were also found guilty of a couple of the other allegations as well. Locksmith definitely won. Vp won nothing.
Of course, lord Emu will put something out, as usual, claiming another victory when they actually were losers. What a major farce...
Wow...this good news has really sent the stock flying.......
By the way, vp didn't win shit. It's one of craziest cases I ever heard of with all sorts of mistakes but the bottom line is that vp had to pay locksmith $355k+ and as far as I know, they indeed did pay it. This is simply another case of saying that vp "won" something when in fact they won nothing. They had to pay. Eos
Wow...10 years sure brought about significant change, eh?
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“The company, aka VPLM, is also announcing that since the November 1st 2023 announcement of the two new RBR continuation patent grants in India, Voip-Pal has been approached by representatives of potentially interested parties. They have scheduled to begin discussions.
Let the games begin
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BELLEVUE, Wash., Jan. 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Voip-Pal.Com Inc.'s ("Voip-Pal") (OTC Pink Sheets:
VPLM) newly acquired subsidiary, Digifonica (International) Limited ("Digifonica, Gibraltar") has been
approached by several interested parties representing Fortune 500 companies who are interested in
acquiring Voip-Pal/Digifonica patent applications and patents, once the patents have been issued.
These early stage discussions are in the verbal stages. Details of these talks cannot be disclosed nor the
outcome of them can be determined at this time.
* Apparently the kool-aid drinkers who survived...think it's a great drink still!
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My broker was also bought out but I've not been told I couldn't trade vplm. Moot point anyway since I quit buying vplm long ago and the chances of it hitting my 50 cent sell point are a pipe dream. I didn't do anything with regard to the switch from one broker to another. I think it was automatic.
The weakest of characters is revealed by those who can't make points without calling ppl names, which also doubles as their lack of ammo...
Vplm patents have proven themselves over a 20 year span to be worthless.
Except to vplm...they paid good money and shares for them and then used them as a front to gain millions of dollars for themselves to this very day.
The recent world class, world record, oscar winning backpedal (mixed with highly transparent, sophmoric deflection), has already been broken... Broke own record. This place is more entertaining than the original not ready for prime time players '75-'80. Even if my shares weren't free, the entertainment value pays for them. The nature and depth of the backpedal peppered with deflections, is such that only the annonymity of being a poster could save one from what otherwise would be life altering embarrassment. Even without the annonymity factor, it takes a certain level of character or lack thereof, to have the alchemy/DNA skills to turn a human into a weasel. You can't blame a weasel tho, for not knowing what setting up an escrow is......or just, lol, ignoring it. It's the whole idea of ensuring a fair payout. I guess records are made to be broken, hahaha. Thankyou ihub for bringing in the talent.
By the way, did I mention the patents are most likely worthless. Jaws will drop
Oops.. Spoke too soon. Orca's ladyfriend must be at it again..... Geeeez
Up up she goes... away from those ones...
I guess you don't know how many times that's regularly been said here, over the past dozen yrs. Lol
Saying it's "headed there" is somewhat ambiguous... It could simply mean that on some random day and maybe some manipulation, it might momentarily dip to a penny for a short time then bounce right back. However, you added supporting forces, ie the Bag lady (Baggio) and her historical selling, what she's got left and the newly unfettered 30 mm shares, so you're more likely to be right from that viewpoint but I'm basing my estimate on a much longer historical avg plus the fact if the price is allowed to go too hi or too low, it could throw a monkey wrench in the usual flow of cash to the insiders. It can't stand to go much lower for very long. But I think it needs to be a bit higher than now. Years of litigation never seems to help the price. Question is...why have the insiders been selling at such a low price when vplm is (lol...allegedly in the best position ever?
Therefore, I think the price will either stay between 2 and 2.5 cents or maybe go as high a a nickel. But if February is a bust, I call subpenny makes a comeback.
Do you mean the price will touch that price point between now and then, even if only for a few minutes, or do you mean that's where the price will be hovering around, at the end of the year?
About 3 mos ago, I predicted the pps would stay (at least avg) in the 2 to 2.5 cent range. It appears as tho it has done just that... It's where it's most comfortable for the players. (retails are not players, they're just an easy money source). When it goes much lower, it's like the mean green machine needs more oil and when it much higher, most likely too many will run to cash out and produce a "it's a wonderful life" bank scene scenario. The vplm house o cards would come crashing down. It was supposed to be down near a penny by now. The price here is not driven by market conditions or anything other than the needs of Mr and ms/Mrs lord Emu of eGipped and the rest of the cabal (all the supporting players).
All the legal proceedings are just distractions. Don't you think it's a bit strange that the so called rocket docket fair play judge (who was stripped of many of the cases he tried to shanghai for his self) isn't able to stop the push back of trial dates and that seems to still be ready to continue pushing back yet further? It's all part of the real game which is this is a share selling, money making scheme for the inside and always has been. Seen in that light all the dots connect. The patents are nothing more than a distraction for those who don't see this for what it is. If I had the money and I knew the patents were as cracked up to be, I'd be an idiot to not buy them and collect vast fortunes for years to come and to hold a super bug zapper up to all my competitors and to control the biggest communications vehicle to ever come down the pike. To think otherwise, is absurd.
"This seems like a can’t miss bet for you."
apparently, the real truth of the matter is it's no more a "can't miss" bet for the challengee................than the patents are a can't miss, in terms of winning infringement trials.
Thus the crickets........
After all......someone of such a background, offering to properly setup an escrow, to essentially guarantee fairness and payout, couldn't really ask for more.......besides, namecalling, backpedaling, grossly impuning and/or ignoring such hi level accomplishments, having zero respect for others opinions not in line with, well, you know......is far easier!
Ladies and Gentlemen.... Welcome to the otc OSCARS night!
.......for the category of best floor mop of the year (maybe decade...?) followed by the back pedal of the year (maybe century?)..........
~~~~~~~~~~~ Envelope please ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The OSCAR goes to..............
"Dude I have an MBA from the University of Chicago (#1 ranked MBA program in the world by the Economist and #1 in the US by US News & World Report), graduated with Honors and I took classes in Econ and Finance from 5 different Nobel Laureates. Where did you go?"
Now, please be so kind as to provide me with your bona fides (education, technical experience, M&A or Corporate Formation experience, litigation experience etc.)
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" And as for your education, we’re all seeing the education the Ivy League students are getting now, aren’t we? They’re more concerned with social issues than math."
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"That sounds like no bona fides will be presented. Chicago is not in the Ivy League, and I received my MBA in 1986."
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"I never said it was an Ivy League school, now did I." ("as for YOUR education, we're all seeing the education the IVY LEAGUE STUDENTS are getting now, aren't we?)
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"To be honest, if you put all the deals I have negotiated together in my life they might add up to $1billion so, clearly you must have me there, or do you?. In what industry have you gained all of your wisdom and enjoyed your success? Are you summoning your vast experience as an IP lawsuit negotiator to insult me or do you just have a hunch that you think is infallible? Either one is perfectly fine, one is just a bit more ballsy than the other."
"Just let me know and we can draw that bet up officially. If we get more than $2.5billion paid out by the end of 2025, I owe you $100k, if not you owe me. If you are serious I will set up an escrow account."
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(reply: return to sender. Address unknown)
Of course it would be......(utter failure) but to be expected when the whole point is nothing to do with uber super patents worth badillions nor every voip service provider in the world being a dishonest, thieving infringer (the dumbest idea and/conclusion to EVER come down the pike). It's about the BIG MEAN GREEN SHARE PRINTING/SELLING MACHINE/PERSONAL INSIDER ATM MACHINE!!!
Concern about alleged infringers is just the front.... And a brilliant one at that!
It's amusing how you feel you must talk about it instead of just DOING IT, lol!
Thx for the chuckle
"Dude I have an MBA from the University of Chicago (#1 ranked MBA program in the world by the Economist and #1 in the US by US News & World Report), graduated with Honors and I took classes in Econ and Finance from 5 different Nobel Laureates. Where did you go?"
Now, please be so kind as to provide me with your bona fides (education, technical experience, M&A or Corporate Formation experience, litigation experience etc.)
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" And as for your education, we’re all seeing the education the Ivy League students are getting now, aren’t we? They’re more concerned with social issues than math."
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"That sounds like no bona fides will be presented. Chicago is not in the Ivy League, and I received my MBA in 1986."
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^^^^ WITNESS: THE MOST MOPPED, CLEANEST, POLISHED, SHINIEST FLOOR EVER SEEN! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...
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"I never said it was an Ivy League school, now did I." ("as for YOUR education, we're all seeing the education the IVY LEAGUE STUDENTS are getting now, aren't we?)
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BIGGEST BACK PEDAL EVER!
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"To be honest, if you put all the deals I have negotiated together in my life they might add up to $1billion so, clearly you must have me there, or do you?. In what industry have you gained all of your wisdom and enjoyed your success? Are you summoning your vast experience as an IP lawsuit negotiator to insult me or do you just have a hunch that you think is infallible? Either one is perfectly fine, one is just a bit more ballsy than the other."
" Just let me know and we can draw that bet up officially. If we get more than $2.5billion paid out by the end of 2025, I owe you $100k, if not you owe me. If you are serious I will set up an escrow account."
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RETURN TO SENDER... ADDRESS UNKNOWN..... haha hehe
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The entertainment value..............is why I'm here... and certainly out values the pps
Touché... Touché... Touché... Touché... Touché... Touché... Touché... Touché ²
1st let's assume you know what whining means, which I'm having doubts on. I read his post and all I hear is facts pointed out as he sees them and your post is definity within the realm of whining.
2nd, if I sell my shares does that mean I have to leave the msg board.......or can stay just to annoy you?
Tia
Years ago, the used to have contests here on this board, several times if I remember right. That bullshitting vplm convinced shareholders that a sale was imminent. Not if but when. So the betting was how many billions of dollars and who could get closest to the sale date. It was all in the billions. One lady at least said $25 billion. I think someone toyed with the possibility of $50b. All the dates were weeks to months. Maybe a year at most. You could tell they believed it. They believed it so much, that's why when vplm dropped all their cool but bs plans to integrate the technology, instead opting to be a world class patent troll, no one here gave a shit except me and I was as right as rain to change my outlook on vplm with their bs gobbled goop, circular, dazzle you with psuedo brilliance patents. And that's why no one since the creation has had any interest in buying them except vplm themselves. That's many years. Would you leave a veritable goldmine sitting in the middle of the road for your competitor to just mosie on by and grab it? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T.....IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED THE PATENTS WERE ALL THEY'VE BEEN CRACKED UP TO BE.......BY THAT PINNACLE OF TRUTH, HONOR AND FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY, VPLM.
Remote? That's pretty generous. Why would anyone want to aquire? Any good reason to answer that question would, in turn, beg the question of why no one in all these years has bought, licensed or settled. It's THAT simple.
The rocket docket ain't so rocket. And to think, he (Allbright) had to have many cases stripped away as he tried to take them all. More like the speed of a rock.
The Super Lawyer isn't getting such super results. Super was a blooper...
The "Leader" of the Voip arena.......ain't got no followers. But he likes to claim it anyway. He also claims that vplm invented the patents..... Ummmm....nope..... but it's a good way to try to misdirect peeps from seeing a patent troll poster child.
ol Chang. lied to us big time for years.... Now he collects personally from all the bs he slung.
Babs, not being part of the Company is most likely being directed and used by the "Grift of the Magdi", evil emil Emu. They both care bunches about us...
The IR guy, inYA pockets, Inza, has nothing to offer in the way of truth it seems...
More monkey wrenches are coming for x-mas most likely so don't forget to hang those stockings! Fasten your seat belts for another year of zen nothingness.
Ok, I see that and I don't disagree........but you have not yet replied to the question I asked you about if Ms Emu did all the selling via the 10b5-1 rule?? So c'mon Flipper! lol
Were almost down to 6 more years (at minimum). Ilm keep reminding at 6 mos and 1 yr intervals as I have for the last near 4 yrs. Woe is vplm.
They had to take away many cases from Allbright. He thought he could be the judge for all patent cases. Now he's the "hangin judge"..........just hangin out, waitin for others to figure it out even tho they will never see eye to eye...
Ever notice how historically, vplm is always on the good, better, best trip, but then always devolves into the wait, not now, more waiting company? They should be on Nova....a study in de-evolution.
EMBRACE the MONKEY WRENCH!
Hahaha...... Allbright used to be the "head em up, move em out", "onward ho" judge....Now he's the "waitin for everybody else" judge...
Too funny
Vplm shareholders are like a mob...
Majority Of Bagholders
As stated, an insider does not have to publicly disclose use of 10b5-1. But if they do so choose to, it must be done via an 8k or a PR. Are you saying she stated as much in a PR? If so, I never saw it. Please indicate yes or no to this. If she did, the purpose would have been to mitigate accusations of illegal insider trading, so if she did do so, it sure didn't work for some reason. Again, that's why beginning months ago, I kept posting that she may have publicly disclosed. I asked certain ppl who I thought would know, for certain, and they ignored the question.
If it was via an 8k, I also missed that. Are you saying it was done that way? If so, what is the date of the 8k?
While I am no friend of vplm, nor have a pro sentiment, I still play fair always and if she disclosed publicly, as you clearly said she did, then I did the right thing all this time trying to make that possibility known. That certainly is not unsmart. And it was with the goals of quelling discontent and disseminating the rules. Nothing wrong with that. So if I made some mistake, it would be more prudent for you to specify the mistake rather than childishly calling me dumb.
If it was disclosed in a PR or an 8k, then the frustrations are unfounded, I would think. If not, then it's still possible the rule was used as disclosure publicly is not required.
All things considered, I think that even if 10b5-1 was used, I still think it was violated and that illegal trades were made.
"Under Rule 10b5-1, directors and other major insiders in the company—large shareholders, officers, and others who have access to MNPI—can establish a written plan that details when they can buy or sell shares at a predetermined time on a scheduled basis. It is set up this way so that they are able to make these transactions when they are not in the vicinity of MNPI. This also allows companies to utilize 10b5-1 plans in large stock buybacks."
That doesn't sound to me like "waiting for an opportune or fortuitous time to me. It sounds all predetermined.
"There is nothing in the SEC laws that makes it necessary to disclose the use of Rule 10b5-1 to the public, but that doesn't mean companies shouldn't release the information anyway. Announcements of utilizing Rule 10b5-1 are useful in warding off public relations problems and helping investors understand the logistics behind certain insider trades."
Like your siggy says "you were wrong once (yeah right, once... lol) and you could be wrong again". Right, like now...
1st, you state that Ms Emu said she was using the 10b5-1 to sell shares. When and where did she say that? I've never seen her say anything. Unless you are referring to the forms themselves? If so, as I already said, an insider is not required to publicly divulge using 10b5-1 rule. They can if they choose to but I thought that was via a signature if I recall the rules correctly.
Then you state "The allegation was that she was then waiting for fortuitous trading opportunities to buy back“. Allegation? What allegation? An allegation is when someone alleges something about someone or some thing. Who alleged what? Sounds like you are making stuff up out of the blue... And the 10b5-1 is for buying as well as selling, I believe, not "waiting for fortuitous times". Then you say "by definition"........ by definition of WHAT? Can't follow your writing style..."precluded by the use of 10b5-1 and in fact is the exact reason such a plan is allowed for insider trading".
The exact reason for use of the rule 10b5-1, is to help shareholders to not think it's wrongful or illegal insider trading. THAT....is the reason. I don't follow your wording, but that is the stated reason by the sec. So I don't see where I said anything wrong as you say I did. Insiders are encouraged to publicly divulge they are using 10b5-1 to take the pressure off them from shareholders. But they are not required to. So when the selling became a thing, some got upset esp one individual. So I did the research and posted the most recent modified rules a few mos and I added that it appeared to me that she was usinv that rule but I wasn't positive. No one else seemed to know anything about that nor care because as far as I noticed I was the only one to post about it. And I was trying gb also to diffuse anger about the sales IF I was right about it. No one had 2 words to say. So I don't see where I am wrong. And I never saw where she said those things. Maybe I missed it...? So I did the right thing and for that you call me dumb.
Duh
Ironically, not only are they almost mythical, so were the Greek gods he thought he was decended from...which is pretty nuts