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According to Tom's e-mail, there are suppose to be more pr's coming. I hope HE is right!
Lemon you surprise me now after 7years you should know better then to post make any reference to According to Tom's e-mail!!
I have shown many times Tom emails and all have led to a dead end street call Pigeon Ave.
One this is certain in that email is the fact there will be more PR's coming, that one could bank on.
Did you not receive that production soon email of May 2008?
Look how easy to find emails...google
pyct production soon 2008 May...lol
https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=production+soon+may+2008&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ACAW_enCA344CA344&q=production+soon+may+2008&gs_l=hp....0.0.1.22712670...........0.jafXJBudO8I#hl=en-GB&q=pyct+production+soon+may+2008+Tom+emails
If the Big3 and China thought that this once CES now pyct product/tech had a chance in the 50B$ a year business they would of come knocking years ago.
It would not just collect dust for 7years like it has been doing.
Do not assume China or the Big3 have no clue about this tech/ product.
They have heard and seen it in the CES days of 1999 -2006.
The shares on the TSX were always an option for anyone that wanted in on this technology.
You and a few are starting to realize that it just a good story that sells paper
China and the Big3 know of this story and it just a good story that IR's love
Not much of a joke if your trying to flip, eh?
If you referring to Trum, he stopped trying to flip years ago ...lol many years ago
For those in the 100 million + club, I'm sure they are not laughing. at What will be, will be...
Have you noticed you been saying What will be, will be for 5years now!!
There are some that are laughing but they on the other BB
laughing at the MM or the shorts
Some have been telling you What will be, will be and they been spot on since 2008
Those "ex consultants" must be current consultants since they still here raising redflags along side those who trying to get new pigeons 24/7
Don't read too much into today's VOLUME
Why would someone BUY 20,000,000 at .0001, then 'possibly be the SELLER' of 20,000,000 at .000098 30 seconds later
Why you post "Don't read too much into today's VOLUME"
It certainly means something to someone
Why would someone BUY .0001, then 'possibly be the SELLER' .000098 30 seconds later
Buddy it 's call a clownjob!!
Call a pro trader and he will explain
No use me explaining you would believe me
Been 7years I been explaining and still you don't/won't understand why you will always be at 0001 and lately under 0001
Jerry call up IR and mention the financing!!
Surely they have forgotten to get financing!!
Anyways it would make for a great update whether they working on financing or not!.....
Jerry remind them they in advanced negotiations with several
known companies with the aim of securing purchase order financing.
they have no money!!!
PayChest, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: PYCT)
PayChest Inc. (the "Company") is in advanced negotiations with several
known companies with the aim of securing purchase order financing.
Purchase order financing involves a third party finance company paying
for production, materials and 'work in progress' in exchange for a
standard fee. This form of financing is available where there is good
product profitability and is based on the customer's ability to pay.
Without the constraints imposed by its own cash pool, the Company can
grow faster and focus on meeting market demand.
.This financing tool also allows the Company to direct its own cash
resources, and profit from product sales, into other business areas such
as marketing and new product development.
If the Chinese had the technology of being able to produce disposable products, I'm sure they would be producing them today. Since they are not, we must look to companies that have the tech.
Very good Lemon!! you starting to see a picture!!
If they pyct or CES since 1999 a Chinese or a Big3 would of come knocking for it or part of it or at the very least and last resort bought up the paper of PYCT or CES a public company.
PYCT or CES a public company who both made no secret of what they were doing,planning to do and where their cheap dream paper could be bought.
If they had the technology of being able to produce disposable products, I'm sure they would be producing them today. Since they are not then THIS EXTREMELY GREAT CONCEPT just sits here, like it's invisible. The whole story is becoming VERY FISHY and UNBELIEVABLE SINCE WE HAVE NO PROOF,,,,,,, ONLY WEAK ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM TOM.
You assuming that the Chinese and the Big3 fell asleep on the so called 50B$$$ a year market thingy?...lol
You guys are toooo funny!!
yet Pete sits on his duff for two years after the chill, running his other business or businesses, which are obviously profitable, WHILE THIS EXTREMELY GREAT CONCEPT just sits here, like it's invisible. The whole story is becoming VERY FISHY and UNBELIEVABLE SINCE WE HAVE NO PROOF,,,,,,, ONLY WEAK ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM TOM
Yah the MM's must know it all just make believe.
lol...I knew it was just a nice story!
You have any info on Pete?
running his other business or businesses?
LOL...What other business or businesses?
Why you assume he got other business or businesses?
You absolutely right about this statement!!
The whole story is becoming VERY FISHY and UNBELIEVABLE SINCE WE HAVE NO PROOF,,,,,,, ONLY WEAK ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM TOM
Easy now you starting to sound like a basher!!
They been saying this exact same thing since 2008!!
I not at all bitter!!
I have learn't plenty from my experience with these Scamcouver types.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/bc-securities-regulator-cracking-down-on-fraud/article4096802/
Speaking of China and the concern/concept of disposable products.
Don't you think that the Chinese would be all over this $$50B a year technology if it were real story.
Between CES and pyct 10 years this story has circulated China.
If the Chinese could not have the product or production deal they surely load up on the paper.
lol...pyct is not keeping the paper a secret maybe open IR office in China
No never owned shares of CES but did own shares of Napier(NIR) who owned 4M shares of CES.
This was all explained years ago.
Flushable, disposable pads and liners, adult diapers and other biodegradable products is the story.
is the story today like the story since 1999
Te story sells paper it has been proven
don't get pigeonated by the story again
It seems to be repeating stateside
lol...it has been repeating since 2008 with again no progress after 7years of squat.
How could we have known since 2008?
lol...are we shorts
For shorts too short shorts needs a buyer
Who promo jobbing the paper?
1-2-3 BB's?
email alerts?
promojobs?
andy and dcjr?
IR?
You see I followed the story and adanac again got blinded by CES promojob light when this flushaway story flew south looking for new pigeons.
Tom Hands IR for bankrupt CES came south to continue his IR work for pyct...lol they love a good story proven from 1999 that sells paper.
Do some DD
adanac Saturday, 04/10/10 11:43:44 AM
Re: lemon post# 55856
Post # of 113415
Banana, I'm like Poop, only here because of my investing in CES. I agree with Poop in that CES has "no money", HOWEVER, they have been in that state for some time and are still kicking, so SOMEONE is financing them. I believe John Banks was probably 95% to having the "perfect" competitive product a few years ago. It wasn't good enough though, and he (the board) decided in '06, to stop production and go for 'all or nothing' with the new version. He could not have foreseen back then, the problems he has faced in getting those last 5%. But I believe he (and therefore PYCT) are now ready to launch.
Did the previous versions of the product work? YES, my wife used the British version (priced at 50% premium to regular brands). The Canadian version (bought at a Walmart in the States (mid range pricing)) and a "sample" of the Chinese version sent by Tom way back when. I still have that sample box.
GLTA
Some folks get pretty touchy when their cover are blown. They try and make false claims on PYCT
You may need to read this post again!
The flushaway story got old they flew south stateside looking for new pigeons.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=105422096
Ecoprogress (CES) went BK in 2009, they stopped trading in 2009 6years ago....
They lent pyct the flushaway (CES) story in 2008, Tom Hands CES IR person since 2004 and other players brought the sexy flushaway story stateside.
They could no longer find money operate to continue trading in Canada on the TSX.
The story did well in Canada selling paper and the dream since 1999..
But eventually the story and tactics got old...
Some say that maybe it time for pyct to clarify certain clarify and update certain statements reported on the company's website and in various pyct news releases
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=4473101
The bashers stories will change and their denial will become more and more over the next couple of months.
The bashers story will change when pyct offers something of value to read.
So far for 6years many of the paper buys have got nothing but BS from the company.
If and when they offer some proof of what they are claiming to be doing then the bashers will buy up some paper aswell.
Right now the bashers see this as a clownjob.
I don't know where you get your info but the info most get is clownjob material as in the last 6years.
If you have privileged info great for you but if you have same info we have then you being clowned around.
lol...I just check you been here since 2004...lol
So you fully aware of the pigeon soup pyct has been serving...you have had plenty
He's Still waiting and watching for that meaty pr that will move the bid to .0002....then, perhaps, he'll be happy flipper?
There are many that could fall into that category.
All the promoters of this paper on all BB's hyping 005 within minutes ,they could be happy and out at 0002.
You just don't know.
One thing is sure they don't see anything wrong with pyct / IR behaviour.
pyct and IR and Toby Oliver are Gods gift to the investment world
forever trying to get 0001 buyers of this paper with plenty time and money invested.
Like you said they going after newbies they know eventually the oldtime groundfloor buyers would get fedup with the noise.
The Stockfolks clowns plants are dancing in the streets always
Adanac what about the flippers?
I think you got bigger problems with this play again they no closer too production then 4years ago when they made exact same statement.
pyct can't even attract the flipping crowd for they know there is no 0002 here.
Shakerzzz is the flipping crowd and that 10K promojob went nowhere.
You got the new Stockfolks clowns promoting pyct 24/7...they could also be the flipping crowd!!
For years Andy been trying to flip at 0002 with no success.
Or he could be the shorter or seller of fake paper...the more he promotes the more buyers the more he can sell fake paper or short..lol maybe he no clown after all!!
All we hear you included blame the MMs/shorts/fake paper sellers as reason pyct still at 0001 and still no better then in 2008.
The latest excuse is Trum and Poops as ex-employees posting here...lol
Unfortunately, Paychest shareholders get very little help from Paychest in countering the Dark side's evil scam theories. Been that way for years, as you know.
They have never cared, they always state what they want to state.
Back and forth they go losing shareholders and gaining some along the way.
There will always be other pigeons buying.
You got another BB doing a 24/7 promotion just like this one.
The story not over the story will continue for in PinkyLand the story could go on for very long time.
0001 is a cheap price to pay for that dream.
Jerry why you not blaming the shorts for nothing happening.
The clowns folks over on Stockfolks were blaming the evil shorts for pycts no progress.
Now they blaming Trum and Pooper, CES ex employees for pyct not following up on anything ever stated through official company PR's.
I guess you would be able to post there anymore?!
A real PR would of produced a sustained bid with sustained volume. So far all we have seen is .0001 and below movement.
This does not look good.
Pyct has never had a sustained bid with sustained volume unless they were promoting, promo jobbing the story and that would last 3days.
So far all we have seen is 0001 for the last 6years.
It seems pyct and all them BB's promoters are very happy promoting 0001 paper,for 6 years they hyping 005 within minutes and 05 within days...lol
No PR pyct has ever released has had any a sustained bid with sustained volume...the shorts were always blamed for staying at 0001
Amazing what they short could do!!
They responsible for no production no orders no sales force no phone # for xinpro or David Shaw
Yah them shorts are real clowns!!
where are these clowns today?
just how much pigeon soup can they serve?
Did you hear the latest?
pyct say they adding Ultra Thin napkin to the
line up of products
Adanac ,Did you buy just a few more shares when this IR email hit the BB's.
It sure caused a stir on this and other BB as a last chance to loadup before the big news.
They started the little pump/hypejob with this March 3 email too all on their list of contacts.
and all of IHub and other BB chats.
Follow that a week later with informing all about PR's coming
The excitement created got you that rare bid,
Nice work IR!!!
Funny how this great news of new Ultra Light Mibella Sanitary Napkin added too product range was not part of official IR 2weeks after this IR email.
Any reader would quickly assumed they already in production with this addition to product range...IMO
Instead it must of just been an idea someone had of adding Ultra Light?
Pure clownjob material too excite buying of 0001 paper.
Did they forget to update the world about this Ultra Light Mibella Sanitary Napkin added too product range?
or those emails were to target and excite new pigeons?
On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:45 AM, PYCT -
PayChest Inc wrote:
We have added a "Coming Soon" section to the www.paychest.com website this morning in anticipation of upcoming commercial.production.
Of note, a new Ultra Light Mibella Sanitary Napkin has been added to the product range. Packaging and other updates are expected changes on the site and several news releases are in the works.
Tom Hands
PayChest IR
Dehnsum Wednesday, 03/11/15 02:00:34 PM
Re: None
Post # of 113315
I just got this email from Mr. Hands
PYCT- PayChest Inc. to me 5 minutes ago
Lance, I have added you to our list for future news releases. I am expecting one this week and another to follow shortly afterward. Tom Hands PayChest IR
Seems statements made in one press release are not coordinated for consistency when a follow up press release is issued. Truth must be validated..
Very good Banana,
Is what we been saying for years back and forth they go
merry go round
Lemon, I'm going to steal pyct' thunder and say pyct will come out with a press release stating the delay is because of blah blah blah or we are working to improve blah blah blah. So onto the next quarter. My opinion is that nothing has been produced. I hope I'm wrong but volume tells me otherwise. Watch them blame David shaw for something
The delay could be blamed on many different people ...the film machine belongs xinpro who bought it from a supplier, the patents belong to someone else, not sure who but for sure not pyct,
they have not updated on financing, David Shaw is nowhere to be found and not sure if he could get financing,
Basically pyct is a shell the shell owns nothing just contracts with people who will do this and that...lol
Don't worry Jerry u safe there I not going anywhere like I never went to RB or pinnacle
You guys are doing a good job on the circus clowns
Post # 1437 out of 1437
Posted by : crazyjerry In reply to sympathy4dadevil Post# 1436
Posted on: 03/17/2015 @ 02:58:18 PM
Sounds like pooper, trummy and laker are coming over here, so I HOPE ANDY KICKS THEM OUT-OF-HERE.....AMEN
Wasn't hard at all you supplied the
stopthefed182 and I added pyct and Hello Andy
U were the first on the list
https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=stopthefed+182&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ACAW_enCA344CA344&q=stopthefed+182+pyct&gs_l=hp..0.41.0.0.0.16161...........0.GPaNzH49qCg
Then you also have him here posting
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/Profile.aspx?user=342313&page=20
Jerry maybe we shorties or sellers of fake paper??
No wait a minute to be a shorty or seller of fake paper one has to promote the paper and would have to promote on as many BB's as possible.
One would want to stimulate buying by stating 005 within minutes
01 in three days and of course the promoters on the paper are always buying the cheap paper.
He ,his friends,his group,his wife is always buying tmr morning.
Also helps when the company gives a few days headsup of PR coming and heads up of new Ultra Thin pad added to the product catalogue.
That would give the they been extremely busy in the production room...lol
Basically one can't have a shorty or seller of fake paper without some one buying.
A little promojob helps get them little 0001 bites and 0002 would be bonus
Maybe time to join in at SFolk for a conversation and discussion about pyct?
He didn't like this argument about pyct having the goods!!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=111797872
pyct claims they have this 50B$ market thingy yet it collects dust since 2008 and since 2007 with CES.
If money is what they need to make this happen China is the place
They have tons of cash.
Some will argue they pyct/CES/Banks/IR don't want to sell
So the Chinese buy the paper and profit that way.
The 0001 paper is no secret pyct has been promoting stateside USA since day one May2008
You said Yes, what I stated is not new but true. When PYCT comes out with the goods, the real truth be known
And I gave you an argument why pyct has not got the goods.
You said what you posted is old but true yet offer squat to prove true.
There as been many clowns here claiming same as you for years.
Yes, what I stated is not new but true. When PYCT comes out with the goods, the real truth be known
Again if pyct had the goods they would not need updates of an update coming like you just got.
Do you really need to be updated that an PR is coming this week.
IMO that points to a pumpjob.
If they had the goods this paper would be trading at more then 0001 after 6years of apparent progress.
Do you have an idea how many doors pyct and CES knocked on in China alone?
CES since 2004 and since 2008 pyct...the Chiness alone would of gobbled up all paper from 0001 to 001 if this was for real years ago.
CES and pyct mention the Big3 often when putting out PR
You think that goes unnoticed them mentioning J&J,P&G...lol
Their IR dept gets that same day the PR is released.
You don't think they interested in magical disappearing stuff?
lol...the tech has been collecting dust since 2007
Do you think they have the goodies?
What I would like to know is where you getting your info???!!???
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=101940883
Written by stopthefed182
November 21, 2009 - 04:03 am
Re: PYCT TIMELINE??????
Paul ,
Whats really odd is I know for a fact this security has been counterfeited to the tune of way over 50 billion shares .
I am too tired to post the mountain of proof and have no desire to convince anyone else , that being said the Naked short issue is 1/2 of the reason why this shell was aquired , and the 7,000 shareholder base is the other reason.
No shares have been sold or dumped by insiders , as the pps rose , had a large seller stepped up it would have gone to .00005 x .0001 in an instant.
$260,000 of accumulating has taken place since August 2009 with very little if any selling , yet vast illusions painted by the short mms.
The company has been repatedly approached by mms looking for free shares in exchange for toxic financing up to 1 million dollars , anyone adapt at sub pennies knows the drill , the mms NSS and further lower the pps 95% through the old toxic pipe loans and schemes , its works like the sun , very consistant .However and lucky for us pyct has all the cash it needs without loans from NY , NJ , CONN, or Florida where the hedgefund criminals live.And lets be honest on face value in this economy WHY would anyone be demanding pyct take a loan of 1 million dollars?On face value pyct is a worthless turd , yeah lets loan them money .Do you know of the manuver by the brokers to nullify pyct through a feeble attempt in a bankruptcy petition this past year? It was tossed out of court and highly suspicious , look it up.Some group of criminals is bent on stopping pyct at all and any cost.
Show me one other sub penny that has done an independent share audit that included the DTC and lowered the OS and AS and I will send you one thousand dollars , as thus far pyct is the only one in history.Audits are VERY expensive and when it involved 125 brokers in scores of countries it took forever to finish ...why my friend , why do this?The CEO repeatedly pulled the OBO and NOBO list , I even pointed to a suspect person and indeed they were on the OBO list hiding unregistered shares.
No payday or pump has ever taken place or any shares sold by insiders per public records or 144 files.
When the news begins this can top .01 in 3 days and pass .05 in a few more days.
Do the math thats %50,000 increase and it will hit .13 before it moves to a higher exchange.
There are multiple companies involved with pyct .
Scams usually involve paydays for the crooks and massive dilution , not reduction of shares and lengthy audit of the 20 billion registered shares , and the balance of the counterfeited shares.
Its easy to calculate the naked shares in an audit , they are all held in accounts of 7000 shareholders , add em up and minus the OS , you now have the balance of the naked shares.
Its simple , very simple. The company will never be allowed to publish this as the fox regulates the hen house , anyone that says otherwise is very naive.I was involved and contacted by the SEC on another security and will state publically the SEC was set up to protect the criminals and massage the dumbed down Americans that have been brainwashed through television and captured politicians. The SEC is a criminal organization and will fall , as the FED nd DTC (private companies that pay no taxes, owned by outside interests)
pyct is going make history.
Andy
What would you say then if you found that out the promoters, insiders, or the company were not dumping the shares and it was only the shorters, shorting air shares? Everything will soon come out in the open.
I would say the shorters and those selling air shares are very well informed and to keep doing so no matter what pyct stated or has stated in the last 6years.
It like they know its all BS
Not scared not frazzled one bit.
What you stating has been stated for the last 6years
What you saying is not new...very old stuff you spewing
30M out of 33M volume shorted today...lol
shorts having field day with the clowns buying this paper...
The more the 3 BB's pump that they buying ,that everyone should buy before too late the more the shorters short.
Wow!!! the shorters should thank the promoters of this paper at all levels for without them the shorters are out of business.
Jerry the PR was great and so were Tom Hands IR email updates that lead up the PR.
It did great a bit of excitement and paper buying before the PR
The excitement on the BB's called for that 005 breakout within minutes No one would dare sell...lol some thought they would be retired come Monday!!!
You even managed a bid that week something rarely seen for years.
IR and a few well placed BB plants worked this overly professional
even thou they new it was a repeat, rehash, re-pigeonation
They after new 0001 buyers with that PR and like always 0002 will be a bonus.
Someone has paper for sale and they happy with 0001 all day long
meanwhile you fell in love with the paper
lol...# one rule don't fall in love with the paper or story
Me thinks you giving Trum and Poop way too much credit...lol
80% of the last 6years has been zero interest zero bid and almost zero volume...You think we too blame for that...lol
When is pyct too blame?
We just calling it right we got that read between the lines ability...lol
and again.......
Posters can't shut down Paychest and posters can't stop production or company progress.
There has been none
its a merry-go-round and the clowns are loving it!!
Like past employees are not the reason for the 6years merry-go-round clownjob some many have been put through
Expecting another press release this week according to Tom's posted update. Hope it's much better than the last one. How about you?
lol...what will be will be
If it flops I sure it will be the MM's and or the shorts keeping it down
So your just a good guy trying to prevent folks from losing money by buying Paychest. You should post on Stockfolks, lol. They are buying shares by the boatload.
You mean prevent folks from losing money by NOT buying Paychest!!
You should post on Stockfolks, lol. They are buying shares by the boatload.
That BB is like RagingBull just without the bashers.
I see a few are starting to show up...
yup buying boatload but never buying!@!
Some clown states he got 2% of pyct float and still buying
like 40K$ invested is not enough when it hits 5cents
He needs more...
merry-go-round making him dizzy
You predicted the content of Fridays press release and were spot on. Your dedication is remarkable.
Lemon why is that maybe they so predictable?
Anyways thanks
Also haven't you noticed how they rehashing old news?
Trum has posted that many times over the years...lol
It maybe like you posted, They going after the newbies
I agree they don't care about the loyal shareholders that bought the story in 2008-9
They all in, fully invested no more cash they bought all the 0001 they could handle and waiting Like they say on Stockfolk!! Locked and loaded
you U right!!pyct needs newbies,new 0001 paper buyers
again like in 2008 letter/shakerzzzzzz,stockprofiler/Tobie, when told to buy paper someone gots shares for sale.
No Lemon,not an employee not a consultant
I like adanac and Tom Hands followed this play from Canada.
I explained all this years ago like 6years ago..
All I could say is that whoever followed this from Canada knew the flushaway story.
How do figure I spot on with everything they state
Look you got a bid!!
Last time you had a bid was when Shakerzzz did his promo on IHub.
Did pyct do another promo somewhere?
Next logical spot for a promojob should be on Stockfolk...lol
Look someone stole your alias and posted this silly nonsense about production in 2010.
That clown doesn't know they had no production then but the PR should was exciting to read back then
Post # 1422 out of 1424
Posted by : Superstop In reply to AndyBadger Post# 1421
Posted on: 03/15/2015 @ 10:04:00 PM
Has anyone ever wondered what they did with the product they produced when Xinpro made during the last time they was in commercial production. Maybe that product is what they are going to ship in the next couple weeks.
Hey GT
Is this Andy posting on RB?
Is it not better to listen to an ex-employee then a clown who is never right.
gtweb2021 Member Level Thursday, 02/10/11 10:19:14 AM
Re: None
Post # of 113218
from ragingbull
PYCT
$ No share sold in 6 years (this alone is historic )
$ Several million dollars invested privately over 4 years , long term .
$ Share audit done by a third party and including the DTCC
$ 200,000 IN CASH untouched for 9 months and in the financials
$ Current with Pink sheets
$ Pulling NOBO and OBO list for years
$ Acquired manufacturing and sales rights for a unique patented product
$ Hired 4 new people
$ 2 IR (Canada and USA)
$ Supply lines set up on 2 continents
$ Orders pouring in
GT...I hear the same about poop also. Two disgruntled ex employees posting negative pyct posts on ihub for years. Now we know why.
Too funny Now you know why I been spot one since 2008 about the noise CES and pyct is and was making.
Anyways would it make better sense we ex-shareholders like adanac.
Adanac is an ex-shareholder who lost all money when CES went BK
And speaking of CES!!!
Me feels it's time too
clarify and update certain statements reported on the company's website, in various news releases and by IR for the period 2008-2015
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=4473101
So what you say about a bid today?
Me say no bid!!
You?
lemon,u right Posters can't shut down Paychest and posters can't stop production or company progress.
There has been none
its a merry-go-round and the clowns are loving it!!
And tmr back to no bid?
next day?
Me thinks so
You?
oh and don't be afraid to agree with me or be right about no bid...lol we not the reason there will be no bid
Like past employees are not the reason for the 6years merry-go-round clownjob some many have been put through.