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Dear jjj373
The information you provided about the guys
in Caymans Islands is great, if you have more
of this about Velatel & Co. members up-to the
kind and color of its under-pans, court rulings,
investigations, etc., great.
We can all such use to get the abusing-cheating
bastards to where they belong and financially
adequately compensating any VELA-Investors !
This also as good example for other may
possible similar companies or such who
get the idea to copy the same, just need
to think endless before doing the same or
if made it better themselves com forward
and fix the mess and harm they created.
I’m not an attorney, but in my live had 3
court cases I did win all. The last one was
even at the European Patent court where
a bigger company infringed with one of my
international patents and by over two years
fighting even without any attorney I did win.
Have a nice Day
PS : Caymans details I did not know, because
not so long and hopefully not too much longer,
dealing with that so regrettable Velatel matter.
Sorry for my incomplete respond yesterday !
URGENT ATTENTION ! ! !
Velatel & Co. actions of the last 7 days confirm also
that they carefully read all iHub postings as from March
26, 2012 and by its total silence about, reconfirm only
its complete correctness as it suppose to be.
But more disturbing and as a Big Surprise, Velatel & Co. is
taken the strict “Investors Advice - April 12, 2012, iHub P.2269”
much more serious and is applying it by themselves as we can
see by its preparations for by STRONG SALES dumping-numbers
as never before in parts of 100 millions according of SEC-Filing.
This compare to VELA-Investors just in Moderate Sales mode.
This is creating now the question, is it more important for
Velatel & Co. at first to follow the insisting proposal of
Posting 2269 for them to have the opportunity to get
even more money for its abusing Laundering Family & Friends
Pension Pool, just for the VELA-Investors finally only getting
the rest of possibly between $ 0.0025 to ZERO per Stock,
or is it better for first the VELA-Investors by Strong Sales
mode trying to reduce its VELA-LOSTS ?
This only for every VELA-Investor immediately to create
its own opinions and decisions for necessary actions !
Dear bobthenob
Others and myself really try to be of help only, because most
of us are victims of misleading and misguiding as from Velatel
& Co. caused and we do this without any financial compensations.
The matters introduced such as also in all butterfly007 postings
as from March 26, 2012 are all facts proved.
I did try to open your like on you posting but it was not possible
because of some technical reason, I otherwise would like to
provide you a detailed direct respond.
However I can confirm you that in one of my postings is the
SEC Investor Protection Hotline published where VELA-Investors
at a daily base call to establish their complains and claims.
Additionally I can confirm that all details are at the special
unite of IC3-FBI as partner of CIA and in cooperation with the
SEC is already handed in, because definitely criminal and
misleading matters exist by Velatel & Co. and NBT’s Tobin
Smith and I try also to provide the intellectual base that the
VELA-Investors from illegal misleading handlings got financial lost,
similar as at the Murdoch ponzi-scam-case, get compensated from
when soon the SEC will go in to clean-up Velatel & Co. to close
and in cooperation with FBI all company or personal properties
of Velatel & Co. members get confiscated.
There are also about US$ 360 millions missing during the last 4
years, mostly without invested into any company assets to present.
Please keep also in mind that at any SEC-filing document, the
SEC not preventive when handed in also controls any content
there in, they based on mutual trust just controlling only if the
right Form for the purpose is applied or not, that’s all and only
when a investigation is initiated then naturally everything will be
controlled including any documents contents, computers, bank-
accounts, etc. everything.
Very regrettably Velatel is not a usual normally hard working and
revenues generating company with much less credits achieving
revenues for monthly payments, as possibly you and me did !
If you feel abused by Velatel call also the SEC Hotline because
as more peoples doing this as stronger the case will be for the
best of every VELA-Investor to establish compensating claims.
Really sorry for this, we did also need to experience.
Dear LongTimeObserver
About the NBT Tobin matter with ID “tobin_vela“
at Y. Board. According writing stile I believe it.
The one mentioning gradually from $ 0.02 to 0.01 to
even 0.005 I could not find anymore. Maybe I missed
it in the so many replays or it has been erased.
However with his ID “tobin_vela” I did find the following :
1. I am doing my taxes for 2011 / 16-Mar-12 07:53 pm
VELA was on there. Best decision I made was dumping it !
I’d be down 10k if I held it !
2. how are you bagholders doing ? / 1-Mar-12 08:34 pm
It’s been awhile but I warned you long ago. Don’t get
married to Toby !!!
3. reverse split !!! / 23-Feb-12
1-500 at .0005 ???
4. Re : get in for the pump !!!!!! / 21-Feb-12 05:43 pm
did you get out …. next pump is below a penny
5. Re : get in for the pump !!!!!! / 1-Feb-12 06:55 pm
yeah, good sell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lower lows ahead now !!!!!!
Dear bobthenob
I try to help a little because it is possibly confusing
a bit and I could understand this your not alone.
1. The biggest mobile state owned company in China the
China Mobile with about 600 millions subscribers is right
now installing the 4G internet made by the world famous
NSN- Nokia Siemens Network company which by 4G 1.5Gbs
has even a 50% higher velocity compare of what ZTE offers.
All this as without anything from or for Velatel possible !
I did inform you about, but why you don’t check at Google ?
2. The second biggest mobile state owned company in China
the China Unicom with about 450 millions subscribers is right
now installing the 4G internet made by a Taiwanese Electronic
company.
All this as without anything from or for Velatel possible !
3. The smallest of the big three state owned mobile China Telecom
with about 150 millions subscribers get now the 4G of ZTE
for 12 cities from the for Velatel canceled Sino Crossing project.
All this as without anything from or for Velatel possible !
I did inform you about, but why you don’t check at Google ?
All above information’s here mentioned are according of official
Chinese Gov. publications, which also by several Chinese Medias
are in English translated for the complete world to know about !
IMPORTANT ATTENTION ! ! !
( Final Version )
Velatel & Co. actions of the last 7 days confirm also
that they carefully read all iHub postings as from March
26, 2012 and by its total silence about reconfirm only
its complete correctness as it suppose to be.
For example not only Chinese internet cyber attack trials
increased within the last 5 days, for me by supplement
to provide even more CN IP- Addresses to the IC3-FBI
section where they have already 16 from China trials to
stop the truth, but they very terribly failed to do so.
But more disturbing and to my Big Surprise, Velatel & Co. is
taken my strict “Investors Advice - April 12, 2012, iHub P.2269”
much more serious and is applying it by themselves as we can
see by its preparations for by STRONG SALES dumping-numbers
in parts of 100 millions as never before according of SEC-Filing,
compare to any VELA-Investors just now in Moderate Sales mode.
This is creating now the question, is it more important for
Velatel & Co. at first to follow my insisting proposal of
Posting 2269 for them to have the opportunity to get
even more money for its abusing Laundering Family & Friends
Pension Pool, just for the VELA-Investors finally only getting
the rest of possibly between $ 0.0025 to ZERO per Stock,
or is it better for first the VELA-Investors by Strong Sales
mode trying to reduce its VELA-LOSTS ?
This only for every VELA-Investor immediately to create
its own opinions and decisions for necessary actions !
SURPRICE ATTENTION ! ! !
( Corrected Version 2 )
Velatel & Co. actions of the last 7 days confirm also
that they carefully read all iHub postings as from March
26, 2012 and by its total silence about reconfirm only
its complete correctness as it suppose to be.
For example not only Chinese internet cyber attack trials
increased within the last 5 days, for me by supplement
to provide even more CN IP- Addresses to the IC3-FBI
section where they have already 16 from China trials to
stop the truth, but they very terribly failed to do so.
But more disturbing and to my Big Surprise, Velatel & Co. is
taken my strict “Investors Advice - April 12, 2012, iHub P.2269”
much more serious and is applying it by themselves as we can
see by its preparations for by STRONG SALES dumping-numbers
as never before, compare to any VELA-Investors just in present
Moderate Sales mode.
This is creating now the question, is it more important for
Velatel & Co. at first to follow my insisting proposal of
Posting 2269 for them to have the opportunity to get
even more money for its abusing Laundering Family & Friends
Pension Pool, just for the VELA-Investors finally only getting
the rest of possibly between 0.25 to ZERO cents per Stock,
or is it better for at first the VELA-Investors by strong sales
trying to reduce its VELA-LOST ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
This only for every VELA-Investor immediately to create
its own opinion and decisions as actions necessary !
PS :
Possibly, as additionally also reconsider
“What’s May Next at iHub Posting 2357“.
Dear jjj373
I really don’t know all this, because in reality it
simply and so regrettably does not exist !
But jjj373, you know that I also appreciate you
from the very beginning I’m at iHub and I thank
you for your posting, because it made this morning
a smile into my face where I at this moment really
nothing have to LOL and usually I’m the person really
like to LOL when ever its possible.
To be responsible helpful, we need to be cautious
with jokes or irony, because there are still some
over years brainwashed mentally influenced VELA-
Investors as victims of Velatel & Co. Tobin out
there, which would take this as serious just to hold
on any “Stroh Halm” there may available to them
to reconfirm their abused too trustful believing !
Have a nice Day
SURPRICE ATTENTION ! ! !
Velatel & Co. actions of the last 5 days confirm also
that they carefully read all iHub postings as from March
26, 2012 and by its total silence about reconfirm only
its complete correctness as it suppose to be.
For example not only the Chinese cyber attack trials
increased within the last 5 days, for me by supplement
to provide even more CN IP- Addresses to the IC3-FBI
section where they have already 16 from China trials to
stop the truth, but they very terribly failed to do so.
But more disturbing and to my big surprise, Velatel & Co.
is taken my strict “Investors Advice - April 12, 2012, iHub P.2269”
much more serious and is applying it by themselves as we can
see by its STRONG SALES dumping-numbers as never before,
than any VELA-Investors just by present moderate sales.
This is creating now the question, is it more important for
Velatel & Co. at first to follow my insisting proposal of
Posting 2269 for them to have the opportunity to get
even more money for its abusing Laundering Family & Friends
Pension Pool, just for the VELA-Investors finally only getting
the rest of possibly between 0.25 to ZERO cents per Stock,
or is it better for at first the VELA-Investors by strong sales
trying to reduce its VELA-LOST ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
This only for every VELA-Investor immediately to create
its own opinion and decisions as actions necessary !
PS : Possibly, as additionally also reconsider “What’s May Next
at iHub Posting 2357“.
Dear bobthenob - As Supplement
In your posting you write “ ChinaTel has already tested and
is set to begin deploying networks that involve VELA’s equip-
ment, so . . . what’s the big controversy here ?
Let explain this also, because its maybe a little confusing.
ChinaTel is not a Chinese Phone Company, it is just the
former name of Velatel as the same company and they
do not have a phone company in China.
Yes it has been tested, but not contract conform after 4
years only at two smaller cities with two small test-units,
instead after 2 years total completion of 4G internet by
real equipment at Sino Crossings 29 cities project.
The Chinese Gov. therefore has taken back the complete
Sino Crossing matter based on Velatel’s lost of “TRUST”
as so very important base in Asia to do business and
partially granted China Telecom a part of 12 cities from.
Beside as preconditions of any Velatel 4G internet application
the 3.5GHz spectrum-license does not exist, because Velatel
did not pay the China Gov. requested US$ 800’000’000.-
Velatel about all this not informing, but instead creating a
new VN Hydrogen Matter for the VELA-Investors by the
Velatel strategy only to concentrate on and this where in
China already about 20 such Fuel-Cell companies exist and
the Chinese world leader in solar+ batterie technology became
the same Electricity Back-Up Power Devise to test also granted
from Chinese Gov.
One of Velatel’s former joint venture partner China Telecom
as also frustrated about Velatel’s do nothing really, has
decided with ZTE as without Velatel to do 4G internet
at 12 cities of former Sino Crossing project and for this
provided a 60% company share to ZTE.
There does not exist any VELA or Velatel equipment,
because all is made or developed by ZTE only and nothing
is from Velatel and Velatel is only exposed to good will of
ZTE as one very small customer of ZTE, nothing more.
At the Aerostrong Co.Ltd. agreement matter, Velatel proved
a criminal act by faking any Aerostrong singing Stamp !
This for completion and opinion building information only.
Dear bobthenob
The set-up of Velatel’s Tay & Co. is hilarious simple and so brilliant
or perfect that until end of 2011 nearly anybody, including myself,
have been completely fascinated about and as result with a little of
money remaining did buying it.
After all available information’s also within iHub, this has already and
will completely change. ( iHub as from middle of March 2012 )
About brilliant intellect, one need to consider that top criminals are
not stupid, they so smart could easy become rocket-scientist, if they
one day would not have decided to develop its criminal potential,
for without hard working, just relaxed like to earn even more money.
Velatel’s Mr. Tay is a origin Chinese and as Asian they have its
culture and 5000 years history they can be proud of.
Asians they have a FACE to lose and as result to protect themselves
they are the real masters of impression creation to gain advantages
or preserve opportunities. Using this for a criminal orientation and
NY’s Al Capone looks pretty primitive and too obvious to be even
more successful.
Chinese and Japanese have a lot in common by the same roots.
One example of Asian culture everybody may knows “Japanese
Fisherman fish the Wale for scientific purpose only to protect the
Wale !” Where we too simple western peoples as myself, would
naïve or honest say “We like to eat it and that’s why we fishing it !”
Can you feel and realize the difference YES NO ?
If your answer is “YES” transform it to Velatel and protect yourself
or simply go to Google in-put ”NSN- Nokia Siemens Network-China”
and you become to know who without Velatel is now building the
4G for the biggest Mobile Company with 600’000 subscribers as
nearly half of China population or in-put in Google “ZTE 60% Share
of China Telecom” and you become to know who is now as without
Velatel building the 4G at the 12 cities from the former Sino Crossing
project, by the remaining 17 cities reclaimed by the Chinese Gov.
based on Velatel’s not contract fulfilling in China. Etc. just the same !
This only for your own opinion building if you may accept some help.
Dear LongTimeObserver
The announcement of NBT Tobin Smith to be under a very
strict confidential contract with Velatel, as excuse for him
not right now responding e-mails, was at Y. Board made
with the same “tobin_vela” ID.
I therefore try to believe that it principally must be from Tobin,
because who will excuse Tobin if not Tobin himself and there
at Y. Board at that time as unusual the not responding has
also several complains from VELA-Investors created, by not
understanding what’s going on. Must be from such ever
believing Tobin’s fantasies and therefore felt totally lost.
Give me some time and I will inform you about where
exactly at Y- Board to find the mentioned publication
and then let you to decide if you like to do a LINK
from and remain for the moment.
Dear LongTimeObserver
You cached me on my left foot, because I
have to admit that until today I don’t know
how to make a link or e-mail or have a
e-mail address in Works activated but as
soon as put in iHub it becomes only
deactivated part of sentence.
In my past and specially when I made my
fortune during many years living in Japan and
with many seminars in China to preserve business
opportunities to increase orders, in my cooperation
partner position as kind of general director, I
at rear cases did have some request by e-mail,
for my staff to take care of, because company
owners at 24/7 working still like to apply direct
personal phone or fax communication for the
improvements as solutions for better profits they
need.
Peoples constantly think about everything by
internet, but the real break-through and future
oriented business creation still goes by the Chairman
or CEO of top companies checking by blind-fingers
the incoming letters to respond by if on the letter
head the printing is just poorly printed or with class
a positive-relief stamping it applied, if not any more
costly positive-relief stamping is applied, the letter
just end-up at the companies administration only.
There at the world No.2 I also learned, not
simply by telling anybody what to do arguing
or presenting matters or information’s and all matters
presented need to be written in proposal form to
preserve goog manners to gain or reconfirm trust
and describing a picture for others able to create
its own image and may resulting questions, this also
for allowing contemplation and real mutual negotiations
and any solving under a mutual cooperative intent.
This maybe described as Chinese Fortunes Cookies
like, where in the western world as in the US every-
thing not able to be explain within 5-10 minutes
and in Europe within 10-30 minutes, could only
be of zero value or company interest declared.
However, this also for the better understanding
of my work intensive but generally successful kind
of informing or reporting.
As result there is only one “Strict Investors Advice”
where I made an insisting proposal, otherwise is
all not just to follow, but for everybody to make-
up his mind to form its own opinions but also
own responsibility, by never been able to tell
“nobody before ever was ever informing about”.
Back to your question about the LINK, I made
my information based on my hand-notes from
at the time when the peoples at Y. Board
complained about the silence of Velatel and NBT
but Velatels stock-dumping about 2x per week
with resulting VELA-Investors insecurity panic selling
has been applied.
The information presented is according my own
hand notes from that past time and did have as
ID “tobin_vela” at Y. Board, but now before I go
through all the Y. Board rubbish to find the essential
important, for by describing you all details where
exactly to find for you then producing the LINKS,
I like to have a reconfirmation of the Y. Board ID
“tobin_vela” if this is really Tobin Smith or just
by somebody else only faking it ?
Y. Board’s ID “tobin_vela” is NBT’s Tobin Smith YES or NO
If YES let me have some days to provide you the details
for the LINK creation !
Have a nice day and sorry for my long explanations
I did now also using the opportunity.
Dear LongTimeObserver
Could you for me more detailed
explain your "Don't recall seeing
that." for my understanding ?
Dear LongTimeObserver
Excellent job. It is no surprise and a good
reconfirmation. Such things at Velatel will
help Investors to get the lost money back.
Beginning of February 2012 at Y. Board,
Tobin maybe at an extremely rare moment
of weakness resulting to his first honesty by
mentioning “I told you al along not to hold
on me and expect the share gradually from
2 cents go to 1 cent and even 0.5 cents.”
But now known that 0.25 cent is at consideration
of not existing assets realistic, before it reaches
ZERO when soon by Gov. get forced to close !
Dear jjj373
It is a good reconfirmation. At Velatel I’m now
working on a Report exactly in that direction.
It will confirm if the Velatel & Co. from the
very beginning until today would have informed
about the in-official real aims and purpose as
its company strategy, then no Investor ever
would have purchased VELA and just thinking ;
how stupid Velatel is really believing, that any
Investor suppose to be for ever spending money
for any such purpose and for what they really
registered the Chinatel or Velatel company !
Fly away butterfly, fly away butterfly, Etc. . . . . . . . . . . ?
As from you why not with greetings from Velatel & Co. ?
Can any distortion and ignoring attempt of the available
reality based information and proposal also supporting
Velatel & Co., for even worse continuing as they since
4 years already do ?
Dear quitstorm11
Thank you for your good mediator effort.
Velatel Claim Matter
( Corrected/Version2 )
I believe within the present ongoing procedures, it
would now be just the right moment for handing
the interests of VELA-Investors to some attorney
office or an US Investors Association like a Union
for Investors, but that maybe would be something
new to establish since this is usually for workers
known, but I think Investors do also a kind of work
fulfill as a very important part at national economy.
This because similar as in the Murdoch case, to
preserve the financial interests and claims to get
the hands on any possible value assets for the
VELA-Investors to have a chance to receive adequate
compensations when Velatel & Co. is by the Santa
Claus Huts production at some special US facility.
Has any body some idea for realizing above, because
I’m not experienced at this, where I never before came
into such a situation with any other Stocks of my ?
Velatel Claim Matter
I believe within the present ongoing procedures,
it would no be just the right moment for handing
the interests of VELA-Investors to some attorney
office or an US Investors Association like a Union
for Investors, but that maybe would be something
new to establish since this is usually for workers
known, but I think Investors do also a kind of work
fulfill as a very important part at national economy.
This because similar as in the Murdoch case, to
preserve the financial interests and claims to get
the hands on any possible value assets for the
VELA-Investors to have a chance to receive adequate
compensations when Velatel & Co. is by the Santa
Claus Huts production at some special US facility.
Has any body some idea for realizing above, because
I’m not experienced at this, where I never before came
into such a situations with any other Stocks of my ?
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you for your good replay. It is completely
also reconfirming my opinion. At the time when
they increased up-to 2 billions, I remember they
told very clear “for nobody to replay by a proxi”
and that as company owner of 1.4 million Stocks
at that time not enough, made me suspicious.
But since I’m not living within the US and
there not knowing a good attorney office,
I did forget about sending them a proxi to
block and then as only one of so many
I would not have much to succeed.
I believe within the present ongoing procedures,
it would no be just the right moment for handing
the interests of VELA-Investors to some attorney
office or an US Investors Association like a Union
for Investors, but that maybe would be something
new to establish since this is usually for workers
known, but I think Investors do also a kind of work
fulfill as a very important part at national economy.
This because similar as in the Murdoch case, to
preserve the financial interests and claims to get
the hands on any possible value assets for the
VELA-Investors to have a chance to receive adequate
compensations when Velatel & Co. is by the Santa
Claus Huts production at some special US facility.
Has any body some idea for realizing above, because
I’m not experienced at this, where I never before came
into such a situations with any other Stocks of my ?
Dear LongTimeObserver
That final 8-K is really proving how the Investors
abuse just getting only in the worse direction.
All this on top of the last 8-K April 19./20. where
the company stamp with the obligate company
registration number from Aerostrong Co.Ltd., as
faked did simply not exist on the Agreement.
Sometimes it gets also through my mind, that
when Velatel increased the shares from 1 billion
to 2 billions it should by a proxy been blocked,
to get them forced for really by working creating
earnings from its products or fail, instead just
existing from increased diluted stocks only and
this screened by its usual impression Blah-Blah.
At medias is mentioned “No good News is good News”
but by some Investors it seems to be totally contrary.
For example I have been over 6 years in Asia and
for business many times also in China and been
successful, because knowing how they feel, think,
decide, spend the money and what tricks they like
to apply, but did need to achieve that they buy
at our conditions and not the other way around.
That’s why I also know about Stamps as signing,
have even one by myself with the special red ink.
This helps now in the Velatel situation, but is not
by everybody so appreciated and for sure not by
the once which never been there to do business.
Have a nice weekend !
Dear moneymonkey1
In peace I’m mentioning here, that the situation
about what is erased or not is more complex.
I have copies of everything in my system and
even digital-pictures for when I do my respond
writings in the Word-Program, because otherwise
as I initially tried my English is even worse.
However, the only now still existing Posting is
2277 PMSL !!!! from you.
Since I have no much custom with wordings like
L or LOL and even to my question to LTO I could
not get an answer, I went into Google such as
Wikipedia, etc. and there became informed about
the internationally recommended definition of PMS
and as a father I was totally offended by the
meaning with an added L, therefore did even
propose to block you from iHub ( but I think its
better for not sending a copy of my P.2311 again
to iHub which now is erased, before one week not ).
Before your immediately after 5 minutes already
erased respond P.2317, jjj373 by P.2313 as before
a week not erased, responed to PMSL topic as rare
used at internet and compared it also to a British
version. Result today, the complete set of 3 parties
my P.2311 and jjj373 P.2313 and your P.2317 is all
erased and only your initiating P.2277 is still remaining,
but after this now maybe tomorrow also erased.
Based on objectivity and honesty and for not like
that to go into the weekend I did take the time.
About the VELA matter after everything by all
details is in the hands of the US Authorities I
cannot change anything anymore, because every-
thing necessary for the justice is even by writing
and documents handed over and also VELA-Investors
calling and e-mailing to SEC.
So all what I now in the meantime can do, is only
watching that not so much more of the same tricks
could same easy as in the past by them be applied
and so limiting Velatel‘s harm potential until the Gov.
will take over.
As a usually reliable and responsible person I take
this as an obligation after knowing too much about.
I like very much the proposal of “quitstorm11” for
everybody and hope to achieve and support better
mutual and peaceful understandings or tolerance.
I wish you and your family a happy weekend !
Oh yes everybody has the right about its own opinions,
but when it comes to certain reality variations as again
today, as by you also frequently applied, then is a good
strait correction also legitimate.
As the VELA-Peoples know me, they know also you and
confirm that none of any posts of mine have ever been
erased, but one of yours for good InvestorsHub reasons !
Independent of what you really are, you have also no
special rights for you to know.
Fortunately I do not need your confirmation as also
not the majority of VELA-Investors !
By this the matters are closed with you !
Do you really like to provoke, that beside of Mr. Iscaac, the
additional capital opportunities of Velatel get also limited !
Are your attitudes or opinions suppose to be smart.
Good Luck, it seems to be in desperate need.
Dear quitstorm11
Your own decision under all reality based facts as
since March in iHub provided, everybody will respect,
but if you could still see anything in 6 months, that’s
usually a longtime for Investors and under the present
aspects of Velatel.
The Investors generally may not even remember anymore
some company by the name Velatel at the time when possibly
Alvarez, Tay, Smith and Co. at Christmas in Sing-Sing sings
the “Chingelbell Song” when producing Santa Claus Hats
for the US markets to reduce US government expenses.
Velatel’s Tricks
1.
You put into Google “China Hydrogen Fuel Cell
Manufacturer” or at www.alibaba.com put Hydrogen
Fuel Cell and you can see about 20 Producers
already in China existing and Velatel again for its VELA-
Investors ( As the only real money source for them, but
not for the too trustful Investors.) , by its impression tricks
again as if they are in an exclusive position in China to
supply 1 millions internet & telecommunication transmitter
base-stations with Fuel Cell Backups as a US$ 100 millions
business for them exclusively only and according of Velatel
additionally thousands of new orders for the same and
other applications Electricity Backup’s at a daily base.
The same Tricks again and again and again . . . . !
Additionally Velatel also not mentioning, that others as
in China with its world leading Solar- Panels + Batteries
industry, right now also working on the same for electrical-
backup as by the Chinese Gov. also is granted and they
will have an even much better overall efficiency and not
any explosion risks involved as by any Hydrogen-Solution.
The VN matter by VELA-Stocks and the usual dilution
also only by the still existing Investors paid !
For Velatel its only the usual creating attractions by
Asian tricks impression purposes, only for as usually
just getting the Investors money without commercially
fulfilling anything. Same as since 4 years to go on !
This VN specially as a screening strategy to come with
something new now, for all the Investors to concentrate
on and therefore no need to admit that all 4G Internet
projects in China are finally cancelled and about the
Peru project in limbo or about Croatia & Montenegro
who knows and what else, nothing anymore.
The VN without any commercial prosperity, is now just
the only project and foothold Velatel has in China !
2.
Since the iHub SEC Hotline publication, within 3 days
about 90 VELA-Investors already contacted the SEC Hotline
Investors Protection and do also create a good potential
for Velatel getting closed for ever !
It started and cannot be stopped anymore as Velatel
by itself provoked it.
Velatel as from 2008 and as self-responsible adults,
should have known that the VELA-Investors are not
that stupid to allow the Velatel- Tricks, Cheatings
and financial Abuses they unlimited practice !
PS :
The only final LOL is possibly at AMX & Clearwire !
Sometimes wondering about InvstorsHub selections.
Also by an NBT /bo…Velatel Cheating-Report of July
2011 always declared as one day ago, since over
a month at every days Google’s Page 1 to see.
In the land of VELA it seems by some really
to be hopeless, as I could experience today
again, but that’s also very good to know.
I know, that everybody knows not to be you,
but are you possibly up in the trees to . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
VELATEL by itself achieved everything’s
including the final consequences !
Who LOL last will LOL best !!!!
Hydrogen Efficiency Comparison
1.
Hydrogen in Liquid-form to produce consumes
about 4x as much electricity than its energy-
potential can be transformed into electricity.
This means an efficiency of only about 25%
and the Fuel Cell working at 90% efficiency is
finally providing a Hydrogen efficiency of 22.5% only !
At transport of Liquid-Hydrogen of only 20m3
by truck, it means when there is an accident,
by its explosion potential at a radius of 10 miles
everything will be flattened. Amen !
All this even with Liquid-Hydrogen so very expensive !
( Ask NASA because beside of others they using it.)
2.
A good modern gasoline engine can already
provide a fuel-efficiency of about 30-35%.
3.
A diesel-engine with an increased compression
factor-ratio to use clean natural Gas, of which
much more exists than oil, can provide an
efficiency of about 45-50% for producing
electricity with a standard generator combined
and when this with an Palladium- Coated Catalyzer
is combined, the exhaust gas is to 97% as
clean as the Hydrogen’s Water-Evaporation !
4.
A Gas-Turbine using the same natural Gas,
as been used at home for cooking the meal,
at constant RPM is providing an efficiency of
70-80% for producing electricity with a standard
generator combined and then it can also been
combined with an Palladium-Coated Catalyzer
to reach 99% as nearly the same clean
conditions as by Hydrogen possible !
5.
These above facts explains very well, what kind of
cheating impression Asian trick Velatel again this time
is trying to apply just to suck even better the money
from its too trustful VELA-Investors !
Velatel’s Prosperity ?
Velatel’s VN Hydrogen Fuel Cell matter. According
Posts 2284/ Point 11., Posts 2349 and 2359 is
everything explained and why this commercially
can only be a flop. Initially and what for test
purpose the Chinese Gov. granted to electrify the
many Internet-Transmitter Base Stations in some
distance from each other, something GE, ABB or
Siemens technically and economically and because
of wide-spread explosion risks also by transporting
the Hydrogen so wide spread, they would never do
and use solar & wind energy with batteries instead.
Maybe now because of this, Velatel’s VN talks now
about general electricity backup-units, but they
commercially not profitable according of GE, ABB
and Siemens, because since 18years only customers
which insist on zero sound or vibrations for example
near science-laboratories will buy this for even much
higher overall expenses, but only as backup.
The number of clients for Fuel Cells Electricity
Generators are simply too small to be profitable
compare other more efficient Generators and Solar
technologies possibly also in combination applied.
All this is maybe interesting to read, but for Velatel
its only the usual creating attractions by Asian tricks
impression purposes only, for as usually just getting the
Investors money without commercially fulfilling anything.
This specially as a screening strategy to come with
something new for the Investors to concentrate on
and therefore no need to admit that all 4G Internet
projects in China are finally cancelled and about the
Peru project in limbo or about Croatia & Montenegro
who knows and what else, nothing anymore !
When someone sees the VELA-Investors VN reaction
on the stock market, it is so easy for Velatel to do.
Again it is not reflecting, that VN but without any
commercial prosperity, is now the only project and
foothold Velatel has in China and others matters
in the world are only in question.
By all what at iHub since March 26, 2012 is explained
and mostly also proven, it is only a matter of time when
the IC3-FBI and SEC will definitely close Velatel, but it
seems most Investors are just waiting for and by that
will lose the money completely, because when Velatel
get closed there will be no possibility anymore for
quickly selling the stocks, before not been sold.
It is something now several times repeated to know ! !
More cannot be done and the outcome or lost
reduction now lays really in the Investors hands !
From my side I made already what is
possible and necessary, you will see.
PS :
Additionally the SEC Hotline is used as good Support !
Fuel Cell Fiasco !
In Google input “hydrogen fuel cell” and go to
“Fuel cell-Wikipedia”, etc. for reconfirmations.
The Fuel Cell is for scientists a very attractive
matter, but for the economists a total fiasco !
To produce the Hydrogen it need 2.2x the
electricity it could produce in the Fuel-Cell.
This also because at the moment when the
Hydrogen is electrically produced it at the
same time also produces Oxygen for which
the electricity is also consumed and then
the Hydrogen is only in Gas-Form existing
and by a second high-tech Procedure, also
consuming a lot of electricity, it gets in Liquid-
Form to have the energy- or storage- density
it need for any commercial Fuel-Cell application.
Just to produce the Hydrogen finally in Liquid-
Form, it needed about 4x the electricity it
afterwards in the Fuel-Cell can produce.
Therefore the big companies as GE, ABB and
Siemens since 20years offer electricity-backup-
stations only where any gas-turbine or diesel
application with overall a much better electrical
efficiency by the customers is not accepted.
Everybody can understand that this interesting
technology by its economy is just no business,
and the big companies therefore have it for
its representation and image reasons only ! !
Dear LongTimeObserver
You mention more fuel for Tay’s Golfstream,
does it mean that he possibly also has the
kind of Boot with 2-3 Lamborghini 2000 HP
Engines, for in the open see by 100 mph like
some Caymans Business D-Lords supply FL’s
Key West, because I became to know the
S.ee phones and e-mails getting busy.
Have a very nice Day.
What’s May Next
This for Imaging Purposes, of what may will happen.
( Version 2 - Completed )
1.
Velatel will announce the acquisition of Andorra and
Sardinia’s 4G Fisher-Net as a complete break-through
and for having a strong Foothold in that region and
confirming the interest of Twazilands King to receive
4G Internet, because calling his Mother of Kingdom,
the Satellite-Phone is not always properly working.
Not to forget about the Bin Launderings in Yemen
which desperately search for better communication.
Etc. in the same directions, what else will be left.
2.
Velatel’s launder partners, Trussnet and Jointmax HK,
informing for any invoices to request the double Stock-
Value or granting a discount of 10% at any cash-pay
within of 10 days after its invoice-date.
3.
ZTE informing, that its 85% finance & equipment
investments in Peru, Croatia and Montenegro by
any subscriber-fees remains in their property for
the time where the 85+15% and annual interest
of 10% by Velatel or Mr. Iscaac is not completely
paid.
Further ZTE informing, that as long the above pay
is not completed, it would not deliver any further
installation or 4-5G related know-how, also because
it anyway can do everything much better than Velatel.
4.
PeruSat by the former minority 10% Telmex-Owner at
Peru’s court offering the 100% take-over to eliminate
the parasitic-mosquitoes there. Peru Gov. happy granting,
but Mr. Iscaac as present owner not so happy.
5.
Azur Capital Management ( Sub-Company of ticker BHD,
International Matter’s, London Tel. +44 20 7743-3000 )
informing for to stay with its financial engagements, they
need immediately 185 millions more VELA-Stocks to
complete at least 200 millions as insurance or guaranty.
One month later and depending on further developing
Velatel situations, they within 48h requesting complete
cash payment of any unsolved or outstanding loans.
By standard, under any legal cost related may occur.
6.
Possible SEC, Etc. investigations are not in favor of
Velatel’s related peoples, but going to HK is also
a risk for them, since the Airport-Police there by its
international exposures is very professional up-to even
Full-Body passengers investigations, etc.
Resulting the Caymans Islands with its beauty and when
its season with snorkel and fins in the crystal clear see
water can catch Lobsters up-to 50cm long, which means
5-Star Hotels or Restaurants on the expenses of VELA-
Investors would not be necessary anymore !
7.
What may additionally at Velatel & Friends could occur.
What’s May Next
This for Imaging Purposes, of what may will happen.
1.
Velatel will announce the acquisition of Andorra and
Sardinia’s 4G Fisher-Net as a complete break-through
and for having a strong Foothold in that region and
confirming the interest of Twazilands King to receive
4G Internet, because calling his Mother of Kingdom,
the Satellite-Phone is not always properly working.
Etc. in the same directions.
2.
Velatel’s launder partners, Tussnet and Jointmax HK,
informing for any invoices to request the double Stock-
Value or granting a discount of 10% at any cash-pay
within of 10 days after its invoice-date.
3.
ZTE informing, that its 85% finance & equipment
investments in Peru, Croatia and Montenegro by
any subscriber-fees remains in their property for
the time where the 85+15% and annual interest
of 10% by Velatel or Mr. Iscaac is not completely
paid.
Further ZTE informing, that as long the above pay
is not completed, it would not deliver any further
installation or 4-5G related know-how, also because
it anyway can do everything much better than Velatel.
4.
PeruSat by the former minority 10% Telmex-Owner at
Peru’s court offering the 100% take-over to eliminate
the parasitic-mosquitoes there. Peru Gov. happy granting,
but Mr. Iscaac as present owner not so happy.
5.
Azur Capital Management ( Sub-Company of ticker BHD,
International Matter’s, London Tel. +44 20 7743-3000 )
informing for to stay with its financial engagements, they
need immediately 185 millions more VELA-Stocks to
complete at least 200 millions as insurance or guaranty.
One month later and depending on further developing
Velatel situations, they within 48h requesting complete
cash payment of any unsolved or outstanding loans.
By standard, under any legal cost related may occur.
6.
Possible SEC, Etc. investigations are not in favor of
Velatel’s related peoples, but going to HK is also
a risk since the Airport-Police there by its international
exposures, are very professional up-to even passengers
stripteases with rectal investigations, etc.
Resulting the Caymans Islands with its beauty and when
its season with snorkel and fins in the crystal clear see
water can catch Lobsters up-to 50cm long, which means
5-Star Hotels or Restaurants on the expenses of VELA-
Investors would not be necessary anymore !
7.
What may additionally at Velatel & Friends could occur.
Detailed Supplement of SEC Investors Protection
Washington - Hotline 202 551-6551 as first contact,
possibly to get connected with the necessary person
at the Regional-Office responsible for San Diego.
www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml here its
possible to see the list of matters the SEC takes
care and they also provide guidance or informing.
www.sec.gov/contact/addresses.htm this is the
list of Regional-Offices in case if necessary.
Generally if peoples contacting the government
to follow the laws and to cooperate with them
to fulfill its responsibilities, they really like to
help, support and inform where ever they can.
With the SEC its similar like with the Fire-Brigade,
if nobody calls and inform, the house cannot be
saved and they have the best excuse, because
how could they know if nobody informed before.
SEC Investors Protection
Washington - Hotline 202 551-6551
Velatel, Etc. ! ? ! ?
About Velatel I have really nothing to LOL.
I also lost, but luckily only 12% which for
sure compare to the majority of VELA-
Investors is a very small %.
As a human I feel very sorry for every
and all of the good believing and trustful
VELA-Investors peoples.
I’m not an American, I always mention to be
just a human of this world, but even more
and after 2008 Credit-Crunch scenario was
initiated in the US, I can still not understand
that there on an larger or smaller scale as
repeating the similar things even today are
still possible and all on expenses of good
Investors and the population in general.