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Looks like subsidies are on there way down. Not good.... We knew this was coming....
"What happens when electric vehicle subsidies get too generous?
Changes to California's incentives show how policy can drive technology uptake."
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/07/electric-vehicles-incentives-work-but-not-without-consequences/
Excellent, thanks for the update. I went very well. Totally opposite as were told. Let's get the video up asap. Sure glad I didn't sell. Nearly fell off my chair with the ass on fire part. Definitely a seller LMAO.
Someone should sticky my post about the facts of BEV's and FCEV's. I know it is six and a half years old but it is still accurate. Battery technology has not progressed since then. Marginal changes are happening. Tesla's are using the same batteries that they came out with. The electric grid still loses 35% and 50% of electricity is still made from coal. These inconvenient truths should be noted . Because most DD I see is from EVOBSESSION.
No comments on the Toyota fuel cell cost not being half a million dollars. That sort of DD can cause people to lose money. But I do understand, two three years ago we didn't know EV growth would be lethargic and just plain impractical, and fuel cells would actually be coming out. But now we know. I am curious to see where the revenue is coming from. Are we really just invested in a contracting company???? I know most traders don't care what the product is and they don't care. They just look at charts. But I care. I don't like to see the sheep get fleeced.
Just look back at previous projections, 3 cents by 2013, 5 cents by 2014. I NAILED THIS ONE. I have a 100% track record.
Not sure how happy they are. Doesn't look like the new turd put any value in the stock. There was hope. Before that we knew there was no money in public charging and fuel cells were a reality. Just look at the stock history. Zero trading dilution a gagged TA and a trader investor base. 2014 was the year of hope. 2015 is the year of reality.
AH the kinderview days. Sad when we think how long we have been holding this POS. it seems the main problem with this stock is the money being stale . How many good opportunities have we missed over the years waiting on this POS. Time to lose the turdl. There must be something better out there.
It foolish to think that any car manufacturer would sell a car at a loss of 450,000. Just ridiculous. But again that is what happens when you believe an alternative reality publication like EVOBSESSION. That probably was the initial cost back in the 5 years away for the past twenty years <snore> days. This a good read. Sell this POS on any news. http://www.technologyreview.com/news/521616/how-toyota-will-be-first-with-a-fuel-cell-car/
I was crunching more numbers and it is looking worst. Pretty much the norm for this pos. There can't be more than 500 electric turds in Chicago. When we factor in the competing chargers and the 3 percent use and the maintance, I wonder if there is even a positive cash flow. Any thoughts. The company can break out nbers and clear this up.
I was crunching some numbers, I don't think the charging stations, could be pulling in more than 50k-100k a year. any thoughts, opinions???? Does anyone think they will break out revenue this quarter????
Interesting, all this time we thought the Toyota FCEV would cost 500k. Hmmm. I guess that is why some thought it was DOA. What a shocker to find out they are selling for 57k. First FUEL CELLS were 5 years away for the past 20 years now they cost half a million. That is what happens when a person gets their DD from an alternative reality publication like EV OBSESSION.
Someone sticky my post about facts about fuel cells and bev's maybe it could help an unsuspecting person from making the same mistake we made.
I'm sure glad I didn't get anyone to invest in this POS.
This pos actually trades a few bucks a week. I feel for those that hold large positions but at least earnings should prompt some action. This is like watching paint dry. To think some have been holding this pos for years. Aren"t there any better stocks out there lmao. Investing isn't for everyone.
More like 3 percent when you consider the people that charge at work for free. Then you need to consider all the other charging stations that they compete with.
Charger Installations again a thousand other electricians doing the installations. No one even knows how the demand will be in the coming years. EV's not selling well in the first place. Makes for a pretty ugly picture here. All i could say is aI hope the smoke detector business is doing well.
Thanks and please get back to us. If you can ask him he can put it in the next filing. the last time we heard here there wasn't going to be any dilution a piano fell on our heads..
TIA.
WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE BEV INDUSTRY IN THE PAST 6 1/2 YEARS.
ON THE BEV SIDE, NOTHING. A BIG FAT GOOSE EGG. TESLA IS STILL USING THE SAME BATTERIES. 50% OF ELECTRICITY IS STILL GENERATED BY COAL. THE GRID LOSING 35% IN DISTRIBUTION. NO MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS SEEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UNACCEPTABLE CHARGE TIMES. THE LONGER THE RANGE THE LONGER THE CHARGE TIME.
THAT ARTICLE IS 100% ACCURATE ON THE BEV SIDE. HOWEVER ON THE FUEL CELL SIDE, IT WENT FROM FIVE YEARS OUT FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS <snore> TO GOING ON SALE IN A FEW MONTHS AND A BUILDOUT OF THE NORTHEAST NEXT YEAR.
A BETTER QUESTION MIGHT BE WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH JNSH. THEY ARE IN THE CHARGING END OF THE BUSINESS IN A CITY THAT HAS FRIGID CLIMATE AND PEOPLE HAVE VERY SHORT COMMUTES????? NOW MANY COMPETITIVE CHARGERS ARE THEY INSTALLING FOR NRG??????? WHEN WILL CHARGER INSTALLATIONS START DRYING UP?????? MAYBE WHEN TOYOTA COMMERCIALS START HITTING THE AIRWAVES STATING FUEL CELLS WILL RUN ON WATER?????? MAYBE BEFORE THEN????? WHEN WILL WE BUY ELECTRIC TURDS?????
Toyota’s hydrogen-powered Mirai exposes the promise and pitfalls of fuel cells
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/toyota-hydrogen-powered-mirai-promise-pitfalls-fuel-cells/
Last fall, Digital Trends had our first crack at the Toyota Mirai, the first hydrogen fuel-cell car that will actually be sold to customers — earlier hydrogen vehicles were only leased to customers for short periods. It was an exciting moment, after all, it’s not often you get a chance to get a glimpse into the future. Since then we have had the chance to learn a lot more about hydrogen fuel cells and their technological promise, and also their pitfalls, such as the cost – both financial and potentially environmental, of hydrogen production.
So it was with a somewhat jaded mindset that we came back for our second bite of the Mirai. Even so, getting behind the wheel and talking to members of Toyota’s team was an important reminder of just what hydrogen has to offer the automotive world.
The Mirai
Beneath its angry-looking face and sharply contoured body, the Mirai is essentially a restyled Toyota Avalon. Inside, you’ll find some fancy spaceship-like controls, and a silly “gear” lever, but there are plenty of familiar sights too, like Entune infotainment and the same steering wheel you might find in any Toyota sedan. The contrast is conveniently symbolic of the whole Mirai experience: It may be at the forefront of technological development, but what it excels at most is simply being a car.
It may be at the forefront of technological development, but what it excels at most is simply being a car.As we covered in our earlier review, the Mirai is shockingly good to drive. The onboard hydrogen fuel cells generate electricity, powering the car’s 153 horsepower electric motors. The power is not overwhelming, but as with other electrically powered cars the instant torque makes the car feel more powerful than it is.
Since the hydrogen tanks and fuel cell stack have been placed low in the vehicle, the Mirai also has a much lower center of gravity and better weight distribution than most gas-powered cars. The result is a car that can punch above its 4,078-pound curb weight, and doesn’t represent any kind of sacrifice when compared to a gas-powered family car. In fact, just about the only missing element in the Mirai is a third rear seat.
Where it fits
This is the point where if I were writing about an electric car, I would have to bring up the inevitable caveats, like price, or range, or practicality. But the Toyota Mirai shows how hydrogen can be different.
According to the specs released by Toyota, the Mirai’s hydrogen tanks can be fully fueled in under five minutes and deliver a range of around 300 miles. If those stats sound familiar, it’s because they are essentially the same as any normal gasoline-powered car.
Customers don’t need to worry about running out of battery within sniffing distance of a suburban Ikea. Owning a hydrogen car isn’t that big of an adjustment.
There are even some practical side benefits. The Mirai will be offered with precisely one option when it goes on sale: a power take-off unit. This shoebox sized transformer allows for 220-volt power to be drawn off the car. The energy drawn off in this way is enough to run the average family home for up to a week, or something smaller like power tools for considerably longer. This not only has direct uses, like luxury outdoor adventures, but also could prove to be a supplement to home solar or wind power. Especially when you consider that, home hydrogen generation is already in the wings.
But wait
As some of the critics reading this will no doubt want to point out at this point, hydrogen is hardly a flawless technology.
To begin with there is the infrastructure. When the Mirai goes on sale in late 2015, it will be available only in California, where there will be less than 20 fully operational hydrogen filling stations. This is a paltry number, but it represents by far the largest concentration of such stations in the country. This means that despite the Mirai’s range, it will still be hobbled.
Toyota is undaunted by this, and while a representative told me that the company “wants to be in the mobility, not the fueling business” it will be working to expand the number of stations in California and with partners to build a network in the northeastern United States.
Producing hydrogen may not be all that green.
This process will be expensive and difficult, as these stations require strong tanks and machinery capable of pumping hydrogen at an outrageous 10,000 psi, or greater. However, there is one advantage not immediately obvious. Hydrogen and similar gases are already extensively used in industrial processes, and the network for shipping them is more robust than it may initially seem.
The real concern is whether this development is worth it. The main argument for hydrogen is that the fuel is renewable and can generate electricity with only water as a byproduct. That is all true, but producing hydrogen may not be all that green.
The current method for producing industrial hydrogen is steam reformation, a process by which natural gas is broken down to produce both pure hydrogen and methane and carbon dioxide, both greenhouse gases. Some estimates say that this process from production to use in vehicles is still about 50 percent more efficient than gas vehicles, while others including a former Department of Energy employee Joseph Romm say that it is actually worse.
Toyota of course says that the lower number is more accurate, but even if the number skews worse, there is still cause for hope. Each Toyota Mirai produced today will live on for more than a decade. During that time, more advanced and greener methods of producing hydrogen are likely to be developed, meaning that the Mirai will actually get to be more efficient as it goes.
Gas vehicles, even very efficient ones will only ever be as efficient as they are when they are designed. Battery-powered vehicles will be able to take advantage of improvements in the power grid, but as we have discussed before the production of batteries is environmentally costly, and shows no immediate signs of improving.[color=red][/color]
The takeaway
The Toyota Mirai is most of all a reminder of why hydrogen technology is so exciting. It offers a direct one-to-one replacement for internal combustion in a way that electric cars do not. The Mirai may be a first step, but from a driver’s perspective it is already nearly indistinguishable from a gas-powered car.
The technology that gets hydrogen to the few filling stations may or may not pan out, and electric cars may completely eclipse all alternatives before competing technology can be developed; but that doesn’t mean we should be ignoring a glimpse at the future.
BEV growth has been slower than a snail. Even with free home charging. Half a percent after 6 years and is still slow according to edmunds and the Detroit news. No one here owns one. BEV sales in Chicago suck even more. Their don't even make the top ten with their -10 degree temperatures. Besides, no one uses public charging anyway and there is no money in public charging. JNSH's charger installs will dry up. BEV's development has developed as slow as the sales. No improvement in battery technology in the last 6 years and no major advances in the bear future. JNSH has turned into a pump and dump, get out while you can. Every car company can not be wrong. They see the FCEV as the future. Preorders are off the charts so the DOA is B/S. We are beating a dead horse. JNSH is not the same POS we bought Three years ago. I have been spot on since day one hear. JNSH is stale money. If this pos can ever break through a penny there will be so much selling it will just go back sub penny. Surely there must be a better stock to buy. This is a POS. Maybe we can buy an BEV, LMAO , We. know they suck. So does this stock. A buyout lmao, first lets see the CEO state profits before we even suggest something as ridiculous. Hype and a paid promo is the only thing that can help this POS . I can only imagine what hype and commercials Toyota and Honda will do to push the fuel cell. Maybe it will be something like "scar that runs on water". Watch the turds sales go down overnight. J
THE FACTS ABOUT FUEL CELL AND BATTERY EV'S
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f9/thomas_fcev_vs_battery_evs.pdf
2.0 Fuel Cell and Battery Comparisons
In the following sections, we compare hydrogen
vehicles (FCEV’s) with battery powered electric
weight, volume, greenhouse gases and cost.
2.1 Vehicle Weight
EVs must be much heavier than FCVs for a given range,
As shown here, the extra weight to increase the range of the fuel cell EV is
negligible, while the battery EV weight escalates dramatically for ranges greater
than 100 to 150 miles due to weight compounding. Each extra kg of battery
weight to increase range requires extra structural weight, heavier brakes, a
larger traction motor, and in turn more batteries to carry around this extra mass,
etc.
2.2 Storage Volume
Some analysts are concerned about the volume required for compressed gas
hydrogen tanks. They do indeed take up more space than a gasoline tank, but
compressed hydrogen tanks take up much less space (including the fuel cell
system) than batteries for a given range. The basic energy density of the
hydrogen fuel cell system in watt hours per liter is compared with that of
batteries in Figure 5.
The hydrogen system has an inherent advantage in basic energy density. But
this advantage is amplified on a vehicle as a result of weight compounding.
Thus the battery EV requires more stored energy per mile than the FCEV as a
result of the heavier batteries and resulting heavier components. The net effect
An EV with an advanced LiIon battery could in principle achieve 250 to 300
miles range, but these batteries would take up 400 to 600 liters of space
(equivalent to a 100 to 160 gallon gasoline tank!). The fuel cell plus hydrogen
storage tanks would take up less than half this space, and, if the DOE hydrogen
storage goals are achieved, then the hydrogen tanks would occupy only 100
liters (26 gallons) volume for 300 miles range.
2.3 Battery Performance Assumptions
We have assumed in particular that the Li-ion battery technology achieves the BEV goal of
150 Wh/kg and 300 W/kg, well above current Li-ion battery system
achievements. Note that Li-ion batteries have demonstrated 150 Wh/kg, but
only at very low power levels. Similarly Li-on batteries with very thin plates
have achieved up to 800 W/kg specific power levels, but only at very low energy
levels that would be totally unsuitable for a BEV.
These curves demonstrate that all battery technologies involve a trade off
between energy and power. For hybrid vehicles power is the major driver, since
the onboard fuel provides stored energy via the internal combustion engine. An
all electric vehicle requires much more energy storage, which involves sacrificing
specific power. In essence, high power requires thin battery electrodes for fast
response, while high energy storage requires thick plates.
2.4 Greenhouse Gas Pollution
The greenhouse gas (GHG) implications of charging battery EVs with today’s
power grid are serious. Since on average 52% of our electricity in the US
comes from coal, and since the grid efficiency is on the order of only 35%, GHGs
would be much greater for EVs than for hydrogen powered FCEVs, assuming
that most hydrogen was made by reforming natural gas for the next decade or
so. The increased weight of the EV to achieve reasonable vehicle range increases
fuel consumption as the vehicle becomes heavier. The impact on GHGs with
today’s marginal grid mix is shown in Figure 8 below. Once again, the hydrogen
FCEV running on hydrogen made from natural gas can achieve the 300 to 350
mile range demanded by American drivers without sacrificing GHG reductions.
For frame of reference, the gasoline ICE version of the AIV Sable produces about
480 g/mile of CO2 equivalent emissions, so the hydrogen FCV would immediately
cut GHG emissions by more than 50% compared to regular cars. This GHG
calculation includes all “well to wheel” GHGs adjusted for a 100 year atmospheric
lifetime.
2.5 Cost
Kromer and Heywood at MIT have analyzed the likely costs of various alternative
vehicles in mass production. They conclude that an advanced battery EV with
200 miles range would cost approximately $10,200 more than a conventional car
in 2030, whereas a FCEV with 350 miles range is projected to cost only $3,600
more in mass production. Plugin hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) with only 10
miles all electric range would cost less than the FCEV as shown in Figure 9, but
plug in hybrids with 60 miles range are projected to cost over $6,000 more than
conventional gasoline cars. If we extrapolate the Kromer and Heywood data for
BEVs to 300 miles range, then the BEV would cost approximately $19,500 more
than a conventional car.
We conclude that the fuel cell electric vehicle could provide the range, passenger
and trunk space and refueling times demanded by modern drivers for full function
vehicles. All electric battery powered electric vehicles will probably find
niche applications as city cars and limited range commuter cars. A major
breakthrough in battery technology, well beyond the US ABC battery goals,
would be required before a battery EV could satisfy customer’s needs for
conventional passenger cars, particularly with respect to battery recharging
times. Most drivers would not accept more than 15 to 20 minutes charging time
on long distance travel for EVs, while FCEVs can be refueled in the 5 to 10
minutes expected by consumers.
3.0 Well to Wheels Efficiency
Some analysts have concluded that fuel cell electric vehicles are less efficient
than battery electric vehicles since the fuel cell system efficiency over a driving
cycle might be only 52%, whereas the round trip efficiency of a battery might be
80%. However, this neglects the effects of extra vehicle weight on fuel
economy. Since battery EVs are heavier than fuel cell EVs for any given range,
the BEV will require more energy per mile driven.
In other words, we need to estimate the total “well to wheels” efficiency of the
vehicle, not just the efficiency of any one component acting in isolation. For
example, suppose we have one million btu’s of natural gas. What is more
efficient: to convert that natural gas to electricity to drive a battery EV, or to
convert that natural gas to hydrogen to run a fuel cell electric vehicle?
Figure 10 illustrates the answer: one would need to burn approximately 1.77
million btu’s (MBTU) of natural gas in a combustion turbine generate the
electricity to power a battery EV for 300 miles on the EPA’s 1.25X accelerated
combined driving cycle. For a more efficient combined cycle gas turbine
generator system, 1.18 MBTU’s of natural gas would be required. But only 0.81
MBTU’s of natural gas would be required to generate enough hydrogen to power
a fuel cell EV for 300 miles. On a full cycle well to wheels basis, then, the
hydrogen powered fuel cell electric vehicle is between 1.5 to 2.2 times
more energy efficient than a battery EV in converting natural gas to vehicle
fuel.
4.0 Conclusions
The fuel cell EV is superior to the advanced Li-ion battery full function EV on six major counts; the fuel cell EV:
" Weighs less
" Takes up less space on the vehicle
" Generates less greenhouse gases
" Costs less
" Requires less well to wheels energy
" Takes less time to refuel
Interesting the writer of that one year old article is the founder of EV OBSESSION. the alternate reality publication.
In the true misleading journalistic spirit , he does not mention the guy from fords name. Who from Ford, the sales person from the EV department????? First they say it is not any greener then they say not significant.
Let's apply some common sense here. An ICE or a internal combustion engine is flawed by design.They lose energy through friction, moving heavy parts, heat and Idling. There is a significant advantage in using a FUEL CELL as to an ICE right off the bat. Then there is the reforming process that is used to convert natural gas to Hydrogen compared to the ICE burning fuel is also better. totaling a 50% ADVANTAGE. To take it a step further 95% of hydrogen is produced by natural gas and 52% of electricity in the U.S. comes from coal with a grid efficiency of 35%. It is easy to see why FUE CELL is the clear favorite. Now again, down the and there will be cleaner ways of producing it as time goes on.
We must stay away from biased alternative reality publications like EV OBSESSION. Here is a link from the U.S .gov't and clearly states the truth.
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f9/thomas_fcev_vs_battery_evs.pdf
JNSH is a POS. Sell on any news. At the end of the day all we have is a small time contracting company that is installing chargers and smoke detectors.
That company information should be updated in the ibox to better reflect the companies current status. Clok is poised to become a thousand dollar stock if they don't get bought out. Who does not want their data secured?????
Rome was not built in one day, and either was the BEV's half of a percent market share. Which actually took 6 years. The future of fuel cells lie far beyond cars. Hydrogen and fuels cells are deemed as the power source of the future period. All this information is well documented. At the present time hydrogen is produced from natural gas . It just so happens that when hydrogen is produced by natural gas for fuel cell vehicles , the carbon footprint is FAR LESS, the an ICE produces. All these facts are readily available. Now coincidentally, the United States happens to be sitting on a ton of natural gas. That in itself takes us off foreign oil. But this is how it is produced right now. This new technology can be and will be produced by cleaner greener technologies. It gives the world a chance. Who knows where and how it will be produced in 20-50 years. It is nirvana of fuel. It is the future. The BEV is a niche and a dead end. After all the incentives and free charging, still no one seems to want them. Sure they will continue to grow slowly for the coming years, but they can never be the ultimate replacement. They do not work for 50% of the vehicles in the world. It is a no brainier. That is why the scientific community and engineers have concluded that fuel cell is the direction the world, and auto industry will go. And they speak through the voices of Toyota, Honda, hyundai, Nissan, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche, Audi and Fiat. BMW in fact have plans to swap out the gas engine with a fuel stack in their hybrid. Smart efficient engineering. A world where any community hit with a national disaster and power outages can use their cars to power their house for a week. To say Fuel Cells are DOA is just silly. And to use the scientific community as proof is crazy.
There is no choice. They gov't is mandating this.Fossil fuel has to come to an end and obviously the turd ev can not be a successor. As we move along it will be built. Rome was not built in a day. Oil companies have tons of money and the gov't will start to pour more money into it. Sort of like what they are doing now in Japan. One thing the gov't has to do is to stop subsidizing an industry like BEV. The gov't is always late to react. Having missed it's growth Targets by two thirds should be a hint for them. Besides it is said that if the turd would replace gasoline it would cost even more money in charging stations and rebuilding the electrical grid. Can you guys imagine how long it would take to charge an escalade in a public charging station? How heavy it would be? Light trucks minivans and trucks are impractical. They account for 50% of vehicles on the road. That is forcing fuel cells to the center stage. Reading articles from edmunds the Detroit news and even govt statistics confirm the slow adaptation. I am certain the slow growth will continue . Maybe eventually they will get up to 1 or 1.5 per ent market share. Some people will want to charge at home for free. But that will leave the other 98 or 99 percent market replacing the gas vehicle. Of course the turd is in the charging end of the business so they will have no benefit of the EV industry anyway. Sell this POS on any news. On thing about investing. Knowledge is your friend and you always need to be ahead if the curve.
I am having issues with my cell phone battery and I am wondering if the same applies to batteries in an EV. My phone is two years old and it can bearing hold a charge, that I am aware happens but I notice that it is getting hot, like I mean really hot when I use it for only a few minutes. Does anyone have an EV and can tell me if that happens to them as well???
Good point, even an audited company like EN#RON can use creative accounting. I would rather park my money where creative accounting is the exception rather that the norm. It is almost like a person is asking to be screwed. When adding the facts of a gagged TA vague filings 36 million shares to go, ZERO volume and 36 million shares to go. I am not even mentioning we don't know when NRG's orders will be drying up. Or the upcoming fuel cell vehilces that will render EV's to a niche. (which they are currently). Or there no money in public charging. THIS IS NOT THE SORT OF POS TO RECOMMEND TO FRIENDS. sell on any news. NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME THErE MAY NOT BE SUPPORT AT .006. IF iT WEREN'T FOR A ONE DOLLAR PAINT JOB THIS POS WOULD BE AT ..0066. With the uncertainty if the future and history of pinks anything over .006 is a gift from god. I hope some can get out at a penny and break even. Sometimes it is just pride t to cut our losses and move on.
The fake ones are usually the unaudited ones that do not itemize revenue and expense. It is usually at the expense of shareholders. That is what I have found. Usually share counts keep increasing and shareholders get the shaft. Would be interesting to see what Brian meant by being besieged with callers. Will also be interesting to see when NRG has all the chargers they want. The turd installing their own competitors lmao. Btw anyone can install a smoke detector and a fire alarm. JNSH is a rPOS. There must be a better stock than this one. Stay away from pinks altogether. They're all alike. Same script different cast. Sell on any news.
Listing every smoke detector the company installed and how many turd chargers they have does not verify earnings. Audited filings do. And breaking down revenue and expenses End of story.
I did notice that on the NRG pr, they said NRG would be installing superchargers in the following months. That is very bad news for shareholders. Because that would mean that some of the revenue recorded was a one time deal. There is a limit to how many chargers they install. It would be nice if the they would break out the filings so we see just where the revenue is coming from also it is two fold. Every charger NRG installs that will be one more charger to compete with the turds. Kind of like slitting ones own throat. Would be nice if Brian breaks out the charger revenue and cost. Remember the press release where he said he was besieged with calls asking about the state of the chargers. This stock is a POS, surely there has to be a better place to park your money.
My take is, whatever the numbers are they can not be trusted. The filings are unaudited and too many pinks use creative account to make the books look good to raise the share price only to later dilute. I see too many things happen in pinky land to trust any stock.
LMAO, the share price is up because Dr. Carlson will be speaking at DEFCON, the biggest baddest cybersecurity event n the world. He will be speaking for a full hour unlike other speakers. At prinetime and on the main stage. He we tell the world that he broke the CBC and that no cipher is safe unless it is spun by a polymorphic key progression algorithm cipher engine. this is as huge as the grand canyon. The share price up because clok signed with PRAETORIAN to resell cipherloc. With a client list has fortune 500 companies. The share price is going up because clok signed with a yet to be known insurance group to help sell their product. We don't know who they are but so far it seems to be paying off already. The CEO and champion MDLG will be attending a NAIC event. Coincidentally, 4 months earlier the NAIC announced they were looking to adopt cyber security measure into the whole insurance industry. This is huge. The share price is up because cyberdin tested cipherloc and gave them white papers. They scored ten out of ten in their penetration test. The share price is up because clok Iis the next big thing and is extremely undervalued. clok is on its way to making a run in the multiple hundreds. Cipherloc will be used in every industry not just insurance. Credit cards banking cell phones. Utilities. You name it. Where ever a cipher is, cipherloc will be there to spin it. The share price is going up because of all the hard work the boys at clok have been doing is starting to bear fruit. Clok is emerging from a development stage company to a blue chip. It would really suck to miss out on a great investment. Sure glad I didn't sell.