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in all seriousness....if everyone who says they have 500 or mil's of shares
then they must be holders from the past.....since this went 'live' with new team there hasnt been that many shares traded...
this has been so tight and quiet for so long that this is really a ground floor...before the dilution with new mgt there was only about 100mm in flost and 250mm out.
Bar
beg to differ...i have held onto vcor for ages...missed a few opportunities to dump when they ran at some other deals...but the difference now is
> New Mgt
> Skin in the game( new mgt got the shell cleaned up / PS reportable / this is not cheap
>Bonafide product / this is supported by the fact the new ceo is in the biz, and is known for his expertise in this area
> No pumping - while im sure we will hear claims to the contrary there is no promo out, no mass campaigns, no retail effort - slow methodical for now. That said there may be some curious trading as founders get in / shares offered etc.
> Business has scale...IF the 7 tons an hr is bonafide...and the VGPR test contracts are real, and the BIO Char Now biz is real, and ATI Bio coal is real...then vcor sits at a crossroads ..with lots of the hard work done...and multi million order production capable potential.
The only games will be the small PS traders who jump in and out, cry about losses , boast gains, and stir up noise
For my part I think we are looking at a base that should be .01+ in near term when news is out, and a cap near term of 20-30mm by mid next year (.02-.03)
was referring to
your GO VGPR at the end of your message....no biggie ... i assume you hold those shares and for longer than these...since this has come to light i have reviewed and researched VGPR as well...but i am a holder here (VCOR)...so my interest is here...
while the global view of how all fits together is interesting...still a lot of core pieces to uncover with VCOR
DJ....
i hope you meant 'GO VCOR'..lol (you expressed 'go vgpr')
of course good for all to 'go'...but my concern is THIS co...and wanting to see what the IS IS..not a future deal...or future merger or other...
like to see the shares here stand on their own...revs/profits/assets of vcor...biz plan of vcor...and most importantly want the mgt of vcor to be focused on vcor growth and shares as prime goal
Looking assess what the immediate value and real prospects are in hand....like to hear from our new CEO James Gaspar
Thanks for the input
i still dont know how this helps...and who....but happy it is moving...
I dont think that chart analysis indicators really are meaningful for pinks with limited history.
At this point we cant be sure what the meaningful float is...how much is tightly held...how mush to come out....and at what levels. The share make up changed dramatically in the new formation...and there has been no real trading since it happened.....
we have had about 3-4mm shares trade since first news....at about .003-.005 ish...a few spikes abpve...
Once we have news that tells the full picture....and get through the first big moes then we can start to understand the lay of the land....
On a value basis....my thought....looking at the other companies news (VEGA/BIO Char/ ATI)....if we land 1-2 contracts to supply the 20+ mil contract...i think we see a base form at about .01/.015, or a cap of 10/15mm....
This will be the real base for projection....
just speculation....could be much larger...
as odd as I have ever seen
dont see any advantage from any angle....clearly...single source buying or coordination....but dont get how it benefits anyone.
In the end still only about 5k...but odd pop up interest and action.
Happy to see interest....but lots unclear..again fro me we still are at entry point..look forward to real clarity..and then expect some dramatic moves.......
Yes - agree...
today a little trading ..400 k shares...pushes to .0045.....
My guess is this will creep up and back on light news....to get a better 'launch pad'....maybe .006-.008...so we catapult into pennies as REAL ground floor for larger investors....
Reading the other sites...they are reporting pending muliti million deals ...think about it....if we had ONE utlility company...who wanted to 1) show it was doing its part to lower emissions....with no cost hit...and 2) wanted the PR effect this would provide...we could probably sell every scarp referred to (now at 7 tons and hour!).
Then think about small coal burners...(retail), foreign environments where emission standards are being imposed...
The whole thing for me lies with mgt....how fast we can move. How tight our contracts are for mid-longer term clients...expertise of team in capital markets...how we protect first mover type advantage...there are failrly low threshold for competition....
But really exciting to see an industry grow from ashes :)
As far as I know from websites
ATI is Joe James company in the process of developing and manufacturing bio-coal. James Gaspard comes from Bio Char Now LLC.
They know each other - and both have advisory roles , as well as joint venture arrangements (details unclear) with another company Vega Bio Fuels - a company selling the products.
Vencor now seems to be in a very closely related business and is lucky to have Gaspard coming on as CEO.
How this all exactly fits is unclear - definitely cross over - but this is all a work in progress trying to capture the various opportunities with scale as fast as possible.
At vencor a clean start with opportunity - and sitting at floor ..no pumo...very quiet ..little following ..and big potential....
Eagerly looking for more news
welcome...
the few vencorians here are holders from a long past...this new venture has been a very pleasant surprise - albeit getting a little confusing learning of all the companies and the interconnections
but to your point - yes i do think something good is brewing...from this end we have yet to see a run up or any real attention - so feel this a a really ground floor opportunity...
hope mgt...all of them!...are on the same page with same shares...
Appreciate and share the enthusiasm...
i have questions re the float, holders, lock ups, and general share questions. There has been very large dilution...but in exchange we have a company with prospect where we had none before.
I would love to see a case made overtly about the opportunity and our real current capability. There is some terrific read between the lines potential...especially references to actual production now and current orders...but also good to get color on scale margins..prospect for future orders...market demand etc...
Also in order to produce, house and transport the volume...noted at tons per hour...need a full supply chain and customer need...be great to get some info on the actual operation
I think there may in fact be lots more 'under the hood' to be made clear soon...seems a smart group with real plan...and importantly ...no pump..seems this level is pretty much this pps is starting gate for all...great ground floor opportunity
Good news...
i like they are being slow and methodical...but a little concerned there is no one else watching on anywhere - would think he would bring a following ...so quiet...no trades??
But in any case seems a real mgr - and now look forward to plans and specifics on business, and hearing more from him.
In his first comments he refers to existing deals...this could be small test...or large...and also refers to what seems like orders or business on deck
we could be sitting atop of a sleeping giant here...again note that the norm in pinks is to be pumping and over promoting shares...in this case...seems some real cautious steps...refreshing and bodes well for future..
my guess is this is internal placement - large block taken right away
There was a lot of dilution when new mgt 'cleaned up' balance sheet - but we have yet to see where the cards lay.
That said...my sense is we are at bottom...there is no pumping...no stock promotion which for me is good...(even though perhaps a little too quiet- why release with no share plan...even of for first movers...just quiet).
That That said...if an investment announces news and no one hears? Seems most old holders are gone...new team probably holds a lot of the cards...my guess is a good amount is locked up and was used to do the clean up.
My guess is we will see this creep up...maybe down until we align real big news....revenues...a contract...and more....
read the web site copy carefully....then remember the last USA commitment to carbon reduction and green energy development...notice the scale the site refers to...7 tons of bio stuff an hour!
If this was a scam they would be pumping this all over the place....the new CEO seems to be a bonafide Bio fuel guy...the business is feasible...this COULD be really big....
Now they did announce a CC in the first release date to be set soon....my guess is lots to come and pace to pick up. Look forward to seeing who the full team is...who owns...how far along plans are...
Yes indeed,
looks pretty good..lots of attention to details and lots of exciting questions. Great new biz..and a cut above anything past,
I really like the scale referenced in 'production capacity' - 7 tons an hour? Wonder where this takes place,...if they can do this, are there any revenues now?
The potential seems huge - the next communications will hopefully answer the may obvious questions.
Agree
the attention for me is , as in all things, watch the money.
If a release comes out and no action...a little bit of a concern - as to who owns, what $ they have, and how the capital for company is being raised. I would hope that some in inner circle would see appeal in acquiring open shares at this level...so the quiet is a little curious.
But given years of false starts - easy to understand the pool of those watching this are exhausted , arrested or no longer in existence.
I love that we are in something 'green' rather than bathrobes.. hope whatever the biz they are bringing in is already functioning and has revs and has scale in plans that can survive some basic DD. Also that on board, or in positions, staff have some history in creating companies and known in their skill set.
A word about old mgt...i don't think they milked anything here...i had extensive talks with them over the years...and while competence issues are fair game...they could also have easily folded chapter and walked away...any current holders own them that much. They never had a web site, sold a handful of robes...no big $$ anywhere...and think they did likely run up a pile of debt..never got traction with anything
That said - a welcome and good luck shout out to new mgt and team...lets do this right...be the one that breaks the mold with the PS wild west and really scores a big hit!
Looking forward to the CC and other news
Actually almost 10 years ago or longer - when the Accudx was the 'deal' - then tubed and missed the boat selling.
Shares rattled around - i got in touch with mgt - seemed they had a hard time getting anything to work - but were not scammers.
I figured at some point something would stick...my sense is that this is not a P&D...not sure how strong a team but worth a look see. Waited this long and at this level doesn't matter,
My 'real' portfolio - grabbed a bunch of drillers 2 weeks ago when the 'crash of oil' happened - way overdone...great dividends even if cut...bottoms ..and in 2 years will see rebound worth a long wait....among other trades
OK - sorry - don't see anything referring to vcor - only your interest in market justice and integrity etc.
I looked through the financials, filings and the restoration of PS status, etc...
I am not coming to this to recommend - but as an old time holder of the shares - happy yo see activity and open as to what the next steps are. Not ready to make any judgements...
Bar - do you hold shares?
Anything that engages the co is better than we were till recently.
Getting current with PS costs $ - so assume some stakeholders have have plans for whatever biz is being worked.
The past mgt expressly was seeking to find company to back into the vcor vehicle.
News expresses more news to follow - certainly makes sense to listen
maybe even a real company with revenue?
Interesting....
what if an announcement falls in the forest and no one hears...
this is great news,,,but relatively small action trading...the key will be if as part of this they have a board, investor -funder base..and insiders with $$...as well as real transparent viable business with revs of scale....then we can really explode...
lets see what $$ is coming in,,,,
but exciting to finally see something break...
It is troubling to see sloppy misleading PR's
There is no need for it - and simply opens the doors for bashers to pile. It does go to comment on the CCthat the co needs a PR co.
The release opens with
NORCROSS, GA--(Marketwired - Oct 14, 2014) - VEGA BIOFUELS, INC. (PINKSHEETS: VGPR) announced today that its Joint Venture with Agri-Tech Producers, LLC has broken ground on its Allendale, SC pilot torrefaction plant.
ITS - not A - so the claim is misleading
I am long here...but still discovering what the Char is all about
So we wait for new site....but its already better then the last one lol...but nice to see we are wating on something new that seems real.
The trading was also a nice surprise....any interest at this point on the ask says someone else is joining ...we are no longer abandoned and alone!
Seriously - the mission was to find a new company to back into this vehicle...seems they found it...so while the dilution is scary...the fact we are now in new hands is a fresh start after years of failed attempts at various.
The hope for me is that the group will launch strongly...have some revenues and get us out of sub pennies.
Might even take a blind flyer for a few shares...
Back to dividend discussion - went through old releases
"We are very proud to have Gone Green as a part of our Company," stated Michael K. Molen, Chairman/CEO of Vega Biofuels, Inc. "We feel that this acquisition could be a game changer for us. We have been very successful to date selling biochar to customers in the agricultural business. However, we did not have full access to the many other industries where biochar can be used. What we were really after in this deal was the Reseller Agreement that Gone Green has with Biochar Now. We now have a strong foothold in the multi-faceted biochar business and we expect it to significantly impact our revenue numbers this year. Our plan for now is to keep Gone Green a subsidiary of Vega and move all of our biochar business into that subsidiary. This would give us the option of spinning the subsidiary off into its own public entity down the road and could provide a nice dividend for our shareholders."
Mikko,
this in on OTC filings....the good thing is that this co has moved from not reporting for a looooong time to having PS status....while still pink it indicates investment on the part of a new mgt.
It also indicates we are going to be in the green tech biz...and the new website suggests this...
all still a tease...but if we are atr 002 now....perhaps we get a new bump to .006...008 with any news.
I would imagine something will be coming out at some point....i emailed to the old site every week! I did get an occasional response from old team...they said they were looking for opportunity for the vencor vehicle....
my hope is that the vision is big enough to work through the new shares...or that they are tightly held....be nice to finally get some $ back here ...for me over 8 years!
Well...finally ...a 'green' shoot...really!
the old website is down and a new site is up - work in progress home page ...but for me a hugely welcome sign.
Doing research - we have new mgt...the old team is out. On the scary side the share count is diluted...but nothing from nothing is ....well we are better off with something from a new team.
It looks like we are in a different business...green products (sounds open ended)....new logo.
But for me all very refreshing . On the one hand shareholders now need to move past the long and painful past years....some group has taken hold...invested enough to clean up and get clean PS listing without skulls and stop signs.
Currently about .002 with about 650mm out. So a shell with new mgt ...clearly has a plan..has invested their own $ (terms of course tbd)...
With fresh team...and any real product that is not a scam...9and given the $ in now as well as the stealth seems unlikely) - we could see this move fast to a new floor well above this...maybe a cap of 4-6mm?
A pulse! we are alive!!
2015??
hoped we might see life before then?
I agree - and one main reason for holding on - along with the trust in the former mgt who always seemed to be trying for holders despite lots of misses. Never had feeling of scam as in so many others on pinks.
However now we are at sea.., with some curious inconsistencies. The OTC shows a Scott Forsyth as CEO...the filing indicates someone else. Will the real CEO please stand up :)
Definitely seems changes underway...Juts hope they are all common stakeholders and have us little folks in mind as well.
They had fully qualified pink on OTC....they have gone back and forth ....an important milestone and one that got me excited about real mgt and prospect.
This happened before in the late spring...they lost it for some filing admin issue (i think) an it was restored. Hopefully this is short lived....but frustrating to see thios cycle again
NEWS!!!!!
now back to yield...lost PS status.....congrats team!
Of course hope springs eternal.....but i am believer that a company should be able to walk and talk at the same time..especially if truly a shareholder friendly company, with a genuine business venture.
That the changes in mgt noted in filings were some 6 months ago...and we do not have a change or note on the web site, we do not have a public release, the former managers are apparently no longer in control or contact, leaves any holders now blind.
If a mgt wanted to secure the good will of any remaining investors for foundation support it would be in THEIR interest to tease along with some basic updates, and touches on the site to let us know they are alive and, more importantly, have shareholders in mind.
I have followed this group for many years and the cycle of unfulfilled 'deals to come' has been endless.
I remained a holder from the last team who, while they could not seem to hit the side of a barn had integrity to respond and do the best they could.
The thing about so many of these pinks is that they are vehicles for owners and a few friends...not vehicles for real growth as public entities for common holders.
My read from the filings DOES indicate new money in this company...and new mgt....just not sure if they represent my interest. At some point the holy grail of 'news' becomes ridiculous...the company either respects and wants funders and shareholders or it does not.
Clearly at this point , irrespective of what they plan for themselves...shareholders are still holding the bag with no mgt interested in the norms of disclosure and PR/IR.
I'm in because i am in....but no one could put a toe in...because there is no there there at this point. Even a shell marketing itself as a shell with astute mgt can deliver value and interest for its holders based on its plans and prospects.
In ther past i encouraged the team to simply sell the vehilce for tax loss of a few cents and let us all move on....the lost $ in time here kills even large moves if not real and ...soon????
Too much Peter and wolf.....Silence and delay is what it is.
Thanks- i am not a $$ subscriber so limited access...only can have so much fun here :)
I am hopeful as always...(sucker)...but cant bear any more wait until's ,,,sometime someone has to do it!
Well for me - as a long time painful holder...see potential up,,,never had new CEO,,,and this was /is essential...and getting financials in order is major for the ability to do anything serious...and it represents someone spending the money to do this..not cheap...lastly...OTC shows very little income...so the only plausible step is organizing for another company , or some real growth...or just a waste of time for whoever is cleaning up..
other note - large share dilution direct to new CEO/org so new stakeholder is now in control
last i knew there was about 7-9 tax loss carry forward...this alone would be .015 by itself...happy to even get there ..lol
Well ..ages of holding...hoping...ups and downs...but finally seems some real fundamental changes...
OTC shows new CEO...shows actual status as pink sheet compliant..(that means some $ and work)...and small buys push to .005...
Sent emails out > no responses...but if they drop in a company here..could be a huge move
maybe we finally getting somewhere?
Any perspective....web site seems down...,0011......
dead....or brewing ?