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go-ks re: TPM software...
Intel D865GRH motherboard (Infineon TPM):
*Wave ETS software
*Infineon software
IBM PCs (Atmel TPM):
*IBM Embedded Security Subsystem software
*Wave is recognized as ISV but not yet listed on/linked from IBM website...but will be
HP PCs (Infineon TPM):
* HP ProtectTools Embedded Security software
* Infineon software
* Wave is recognized as ISV and listed on HP website with link to Wave's ETS product
NSM SafeKeeper TPM:
*Wave ETS software
Wildman262
"Wave's ETS server products are instrumental products in the TPM world."
ETS client products are also instrumental products for TPMs as well. I know you already know this, I just can't resist underlining it. In fact client-side ETS services are the launching point.
I am beginning to think we will/are see bundling of basic ETS only to those hardest to reach users. If Wave gains traction in getting client-side ETS services out to users through our direct (non-bundled) selling channels (IBM and HP), my hunch is that this is preferred to bundling as it is more profitable.
Decent volume on SSPX again today. e/
Doma, do you know what the L designates?
First download now available on the website. It is an update for adding foreign languages to PIM for systems using the Intel D865GRH:
http://www.wave.com/support/downloads.html
Thanks Wildman. That sounds incredible...if Embassy makes it's way into cell phones, and apparently you can list the reasons why TPM programmability finds it's way into cell phones before PCs, then that bodes very well for Embassy or Embassy hybrids in PCs.
If only the Nokia gal at CTIA Wireless was as well informed as you!
Wonder if Wave will be demoing eTMS with beTRUSTed at RSA Europe? beTRUSTed is a gold sponsor.
go-ks
Are you forgetting Colle and McVoy?
http://www.wave.com/news/press_archive/03/030814wavexpress.html
Great find Doma!
D865GRH available, $399 w/ P4...that's not bad!
I am calling my computer guy tommorrow.
Wildman, thanks for your very informative post.
I am looking forward to when Wave's software is downloadable from our website because online seems a better media to download from than a mailed CD. I have been told that online downloads are coming.
It's a pleasure wavxmaster! I can tell you firsthand, having been to a TCG exhibit, that without Wave, there is little to see.
Weby
I would also like to add, that my sense apart from the bundling deals with Intel and NSM, is that progress is being made actually moving ETS product into either the current deployment of TPMs or perhaps committments from customers who are now ordering TPM machines. Varying configurations of ETS with different pricing depending on who is buying and in what volumes.
E-mail in from David Collins today re: RSA Conference:
"We'll be demoing in the TCG booth; a few Wave mgmt will be in attendance."
I like that "a few Wave mgmt will be in attendance". Wonder what else is going on in Holland or elsewhere in Europe?
Mbledug Dewe, or that MSFT is interested in linking to ETS from Windows. I have no reason to know that's happening...just wishful thinking.
greg s, monetary should not be the only measure of presence. One has to consider Wave's role in TCG work groups. Supplanting Wave means usurping Wave's roles as TCG designers. I doubt that will happen.
kevin, RSA on Wave's site probably means we are at TCG exhibit. Wish I had thought to ask at CTIA. Will post when we know for sure.
P.S. Report from CTIA Wireless
A subject I discussed in my original composition (the one I lost when I accidentally closed my browser), but omitted in my final report, was the Nokia/mobile TCG connection.
Well, there was no visible connection except that Nokia is in the TCG mobile work group. The Nokia rep confirmed that there was no demo product available and to the best of her knowledge not even a prototype under development. TCG mobile group was formed in June 2003, so it's early and standards are merely forming. I suggested that a TPM would be a logical choice to implement in mobile devices and of course she agreed with this obvious assertion. After all, the TPM is TCG's hardware device of choice so what else would it be? We agreed that Trusted Computing is inevitable on mobile platforms.
The TCG attendance at CTIA Wireless was almost a paradox with no wireless TCG devices to show. TCG reps conceded that one purpose of the show was to solicit interest from wireless industry players in the TCG mobile initiative...there was even a package with application for membership.
So, the TCG mobile is a work in progess...early stage.
On a more positive note, the TCG reps offered that another, if not principle, purpose of the TCG exhibit was to display the TCG PC implementation. Apparently events like CTIA Wireless provide a much needed opportunity for TCG to showcase their implementations, since this is all so new. TCG will also be at the RSA Europe in Amsterdam Nov. 3-6. I have an e-mail into IR to confirm if Wave will be there. I assume that ETS will be there even if it takes a non-Wave staffer to demo it.
What is any TCG demo without Wave!
Thanks Doma...I'll review that. e/
Doma re: Verisign's role
That sounds plausible. Lot's of additional business for Verisign in TCG infrastructure.
svenm
From RB...a post from me to tophersaint:
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00135&read=103128
c m
One area I hoped to discuss yesterday but got nowhere with Wave staffer was trust server except he did confirm that Wave's trust server coud be hosted by Wave or licensed to the user.
I hoped to learn:
1. Embassy Trust Server has elements of functionality protected by IP. I assume we can assume ETServer is derived from Embassy TAN technology so I am hopeful that IP makes replication of ETServer difficult. We can be certain there is a lot of expertise and knowhow that goes into the ETServer, but how much IP?
2. What role Verisign plays in scenario that utilizes ETServer. See page 3 of ETServer brochure...ACM and the diagram. I could see Wave acting as Privacy CA and Verisign performing some role.
3. I also wanted to get some idea as to how much physical facility (server machines) and support personnel Wave will need to if they are to host all these services. KTM looks like it will be rolling out fairly soon and is a server service.
UncleverName
Thanks a bunch for placing the slideshow on your website. I assume the images are now independent of the HP Instant Share link. I mention that because the images expire at HP Instant Share in about 30 days. So I believe that means the links you provided to me that I posted here and at RB will become useless.
The problem I had with directly posting the images here is that IHub would apparently not except a paste of that size...not even one image (page).
Thanks again for your help.
PIM brochure and ETS Business Edition brief (3 pages)
http://eshare.hpphoto.com/en/home/fullscreen.asp?JobID={EEA86316-740F-43AA-ABE4-8D78172ABD85}&In...
A pleasure waveduke. Thanks. e/
Report from CTIA Wireless
A rough day, as the top dude was not around and I got very little additional from the technical sales engineer. The IBM guy was also gone which was too bad since I did not get to speak with him yesterday. All I could get from the Wave staffer is that EDS is still root holder for Embassy, which we already know and Wave's trust servers could be hosted by Wave or licensed, which we already assumed...guess I was trying to think of something I could ask the guy where he wouldn't say "I can't comment on that".
(I also just lost earlier about 90 min. of original post when I pushed some button by mistake...so I am having a horrible day! Next time I set about doing a post like that I should periodically "copy"...oh well, live and learn.)
Yesterday there was a Wave staffer and an IBM guy standing at the same counter with what turned out to be two IBM Security Subsystem TPM PCs with Wave Services loaded. My first and lasting impression was that is quite OK! Turns out one PC is a ThinkPad the other a desktop, both running Atmels of course. Also present were two demo D865GRHs...one with the Infineon soldered on just like a production board and the other has detachable daughterboards to illustrate the interoperablity of Wave on all three TPMs (Infineon/NSM/Atmel which were all on display). The demos were no big deal...we know everything works. KTS was loaded...no ACM (more on that later).
(Losing my earlier post definitely took some of the wind out of my sails)
Here are some highlights:
1. One TCG rep offered (no inquiry) that Wave is very active in TCG. She may have said that when I pointed yesterday to the Wave Services on display. Today she confirmed Wave is active in more than one work group.
2. Both TCG reps agreed that about 5M TPMs are now deployed. Mainly financials and healthcare. We know these are mainly ThinkPads with some HP machines.
3. Estimated deployment of first 1.2 is Q2 2004 according to TCG rep.
4. The EK loading issue:
A. ACM is 1-2 quarters away. I infer EK loading is an issue that is taking some time but is ultimately not a problem.
B. KTM is close to release. I infer that EK loading is less of an issue than with ACM, but perhaps would be ideal for optimum performance.
5. NSM fully released to OEMs, which we already knew.
6. Intel D865GRH available for retail distribution in 18-30 days.
7. If TCG moves towards TPM programmability, Wave IP is likely an issue...good.
8. Wave is focused on executing, as I best I remember it explained, something like a traditional value proposition/supply the demand software model. "We are doing great." This sounds like a company that is moving a certain quantity of product into a known demand chain.
9. Re: the recently announced Broadcom devices employing TPMs...there are others.
10. IBM Wave ISV listing is coming, along with Wave product links. Can't remember the reason why IBM takes longer.
11. There is different builds of ETS and pricing structures depending on the customer and volume.
That's all I can think of. This report is less than I hoped for and was far more upbeat before I lost the first 80% of the original. Cest la vie...I'll live. If I think of something I left out I'll post it.
Cheers
P.S. I am trying to get good enough images of the PIM brochure to post.
P.P.S.
I think it's a safe bet Wave is moving some product. I feel more confident of Wave's survival than ever.
It's off to CTIA Wireless show. e/
24601
I would say the $39.99/$49.99 you see in our Products online is a one time cost to download the software. Premium Services, like trust server services for example, are subscriptive...recurring costs to the user.
The prices for the ETS software online btw are retail... wholesale blocks are priced differently, of course.
Interesting T123. I have printed your post for additional reference. I will try to inquire today about future functionalities for trust servers.
Thanks kevin_s5. Will confirm today. e/
Embassy Trust Server (3 pages)
http://eshare.hpphoto.com/en/home/fullscreen.asp?JobID=%7B89E627EE-5F9A-4190-9AE3-2156FC9613D6%7D&am...
eamonnshute you have mail. e/
Doma you have mail.e/
folks, I am having trouble generating good images of the Embassy Trust Server brochure's scans through the e-mail. Any suggestions?
barge
I confirm tomorrow, but I guess that there is little inside info to be had from either gal. I got the impression from both that TCG wireless is it's initial state of standards forming and until those are established little is known. There must be a reason for Nokia to be exhibiting at the TCG CTIA Wireless booth if there is no product to show...perhaps just to let passersby know that TCG standards are forming for wireless TC and that Nokia is a major participant. As I implied earlier in my overexuberance about the Wave presence at the TCG exhibit (I misleadingly referred to the "Wave booth"), the whole exhibit appears to be about Wave Services, and little else! But, I talk to the IBM guy tomorrow.
Yes eamonnshute, it's all a TCG booth!
eamonnshute
TCG exhibit is small affair...mainly it's Wave. I'll talk to the IBM guy tomorrow to find out what IBM is offering...him and a Wave guy were standing at a desk where the KTM is being demonstrated. I talked to Brian Berger for about a half an hour but not other Wave guy. Complete report tomorrow!
barge, you should have mail. e/