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Well in my book hunting season has opened starting this weekend, no limit on bagging either
Maybe we stiffed shareholders should R\S him if u get my drift.
Lucky TS is quite good at hiding from the public as there are several who have tried to track him down for questioning regarding his actions of late and the eroding of their investments. I thought Cavasin was bad but TS is starting to look even worse.
I was always under the belief that longs are considered a valuable asset but in TS's case they are crap in his eyes he likes the idiots that screw him with CD's more and cateres to their every whim. How much did kneepads kick back for the missed CD? We will never know since they are a tight nit group. Any other CEO would have filed suit way before now on that missed CD unless it was planned to be missed to help finace personal buying definitely smell more then one rat there.
Be happy you only are down 3G's some including myself have lost considerably more on paper while TS makes his sizable paycheck and allows his good friends and CD holders to rake it in.
Mav you may be right or you may be wrong but from this point in time I need 7 days of a double to get even and I have held for way over a year.
Problem most feel is TS has no loyalty to his longs who paid for his purchases and currently sit in the over 90% loss column while those that have nothing to lose made all the money to date.
Just curious how many other idiots like myself have held commons for over a year thinking this would be a good long term investment only to see the flippers, CD holders and shorts make any money.
Like others I am to far down to make it worthwhile selling but will not support this play until TS does what is right by a CEO standard. Most company longs holding commons are treated with a heck load more respect then we have seen from TS.
Jim that is a very predictable scenario if he was sure there would be no physical repocusions, but many longs here would quickly become what is known as "Temporary Insanity" and would he really risk that possible confrontation?
They are one of the reasons the economy is the way it is and they got us there now we hire them to fix yeah right, crock of BS wall st
Another Goldman alumni gets an inside job
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Neel Kashkari, the Treasury's assistant secretary for international affairs, was selected Monday to be the interim head of Treasury's new Office of Financial Stability.
Anyway you look at it we the longs who supplied the $ in the beginning end up losing the most while our good buddy TS lives like a king with his court being the preferr'd owners and CD issuers.
Jim I woke up this morning to the disappointing news that TS did not make a better offer for WB heck just think even if he offered $7.5 a share for it I am sure YA would have lent him the cash for a profitable CD. Then we wouldn't need to get private loans he could borrow from the FED. TS missed a golden chance there but then he can still take a shot at either NCC or FITB before C grabs them.
Ice there is no opportunity to get out most have lost over 95% of their investment thanks to TS and his KK ways. YA worked with TS and TS collected from YA it was a behind the door deal to bilk commoners. What Kgeezy said needs to make it to the papers in upper NY as well as to the DeDe's opponents.
Only good thing is how long will TS's other put up with his dealings with Kneepads or will KK get upset over that relationship.
1st one to actually see and speak\confront TS in person please detail his location as he is definitely hiding under a rock somewhere
RPT I agree but I really believe YA funneled some to TS otherwise why did he continue to use them if they threw it back in his face when he SUPPOSEDLY tried to pay off the old with cash?
His previous connection to KK and Kneepads point to colussion
Geo the problem also lies in the friendships and comradory of those being bailed by the bailers. GS has alumni in all the trenches that is why they within a day got the banking clearence that normal banks take 1 year to do jumpimg through hoops. I for one wanted GS to fail along with those large banks without Gov intervention, that would then maybe be the catalyst this country needs to wake up the middleclass that has paid for everything the upperclass has.
Why did the gov allow only certain banks to work =with them on the WM and WB deals and Bear sterns? Because they are all in bed together robbing from the working class.
Years ago people claimed the working class would someday wake up and realize how bad the upperclass treats them and steals from them maybe that time is near./
He has been doing a good job of it lately, he owes and he will pay one way or another
Joke is too good of a word for him. He is afraid to show his face in public.
I can't wait to tell him where he can stick his R\S when he announces the next one, He must be sending others out to do his bidding for fear of running into someone that feels he has stolen from them rather then perform his duties as a CEO.
Hey Crash what was that address (for future endeavors need to log it away) LOL Airline flights are cheap to there for me
The Dirty Dozen would be more appropriate if you count all the players involved
Lucky finally got my notification of the increased AS and split from good old TS came by snail mail. I noticed they only listed 2 reasons for the increase and R\S they forgot # 3 to allow TS to support his lifestyle for awhile longer with dilution and BS about increased shareholder value, only shareholder that value increased on was TS and his family and close friends that owned the preferr's. Out and out crooked dealing IMHO and I await the day he slips and comes face to face with me. I have a surprise welcoming committee for him.
But the party for TS is getting ready to begin, once he comes out of hiding
The real scary thought is all the connections that these fiancials deals have with some sort of alumni from GS, wouldn't have put it past GS to have had help in orchestrating the no vote to allow them time to cover all their shorts in the finacial world. Gusee I feel GS is the biggest crook around IMHO, still their is money to be made playing them by day unlike my efforts in the pennies.
TS had all his money tied up in WM and WB so he can feel the pains of us longs after what we are down from his good buddy whelling and dealing with the likes of YA and kneepads.
Why have we heard little or nothing from TS in regards to questions e-mailed him, maybe he is working so hard to sign CD's with YA he fails to read e-mails
Hey TS now is the time to buy out SOV offer them $5 a share let YA finance the deal so what if you over pay by $3 a share nothing new for you and in 20 years it should be a money maker. LOL
DC don't you find it somewhat ironic that the 5 big institutions that are working on the bailouts with the fed end up getting the fish that sink at bargain prices almost seems like insider trading with the gov helping. Watch SOV next and lets see if someone like Wells, or TD get them as a gift when the FDIC closes them, just my opinion
Jim:
What would be the cost of TS say buying back the outstanding CD's which have the buyout clause attached to them?
He can't move since he has it hidden so far under his desk for fear of one or more of the longs he has caused incredible losses to will step on it. Not sure YA is really that concerned currently as they made so much on the orig CD's that would cover their losses on the current probably 10 fold. TS showed his colors when he went back to the weel and used the same group that told him no on the supposedly attempt to pay off a CD with cash.
Wonder if he will go to the St=racuse football game this week bet he doesn't.
LB stores aren't make believe but the share price and return to long term investors literally sucks. TS has helped the likes of YA make a bundle while driving the shareprice down while having no effect on his own investment.
He nor our IR dept fail to respond to legit questions by common shareholders.
1) Why did TS not file a lawsuit regarding the law firm he hired supposedly failure to read the fine print regarding the old legacy CD?
2) Why hasn't management bought and retained any common shares are they afraid or were they informed about the R\S and the loss of investment $'s had they bought.
3) Why do we continue to buy companies for way more then they are worth requiring us to deal with the likes of a YA?
TS has no risk at all in his initial investment\preferr shares since it seems the profit \ over paid amount we gave him and his family for Wisebuys went where?
As a CEO his duty is to the shareholders not his friends and family pocketbooks.
I was just thrilled to read the article about the 60 or so employees that rid the world of a corrupt CEO in I believe india or pakistan. Wish I could sit on that jury as I would definitely vote Not Guilty.
to bad TS didn't include a paragragh such as
And by the authority I have owning the preferred shares which I don't have to dilute I can at any time screw the common shareholders asin the past
Crash I agree on your statement TS and his cronies felt no pain in fact they are sitting around most likely laughing at us that finaced his start. When will TS step up to plate and take one like the commoners have, most likely never since he feels he is the king of this operation, does he have a surprise waiting for him on that thought.
Jim seems the little weasel is hiding from the common shareholders wonder why, maybe he will just happen to attend another Syracuse game with his buddy Swartz, as always I will be watching for him in person as I have several questions that IR refuses to answer or acknoledge e-mail reciept of. I don't mind a company paying a CEO as long as the CEO works for the common shareholder rather then his crony CD holders and friends.
Lucky keeps saying he knows (TS) he owes but i Don't think he cares he feels he owes no-one that he screwed because he is arrogant and feels he is above the law. Maybe state law but not my law.
If anyone finds hiding TS before me feel free to wack him a few times across the head for stealing as I see it for me. He is definitely a marked man from his actions,
I have a real nice gift for TS and his money pocketing ways just need to bump into the ghost before one of the other ripped off commons does.
He won't come out of his shell for fear of running into someone he swindled.
Maybe Kneepads will comfort him while he recuperates
Lucky as far as I am concerned TS oews me at least .10 per share for all my shares, before he takes any more pay this year otherwise he is stealing from me in my book. Many are calm and hold no ill will towards TS but I do 1st for his non pursuit of the law firm for their screwup unless he new and was playing along to make KK and Kneepads some extra spending money and a kickback too. He may have increased holding in the last year but those holding have done nothing good to the price of the shares owned by the commoners. The money he supposedly invested was basically peofit he recieved for selling the wisebuy group his family owned and really how much of the total paid by us was reinvested into SWVC by TS. As another has questioned why doesn't he spend some of his own cash and buy commons if this is such a great deal.
When you sleep with the likes of YA and Kneepads you end up being a gredy bloodsucking pig like them. Why has he maintained his silence for so long and not address the concerns of those who have lost so much while he sits so pretty. TS is either a scared rabbit afraid to venture out in public or he is planning his next rape of shareholders to benetfit his friends and his lifestyle.
Many say he knows he owes I fear he could care less because of his silence and no reply or explanation to shareholders.
Lucky haven't had a reply to e-mails in some time, did send one yesterday asking for answers on some of my current concerns and even offered to sell all my commons to TS at .10 since I figured he should own some and the price seemed fair enough with all the promises and deals he has made to increase the rev's of the company. Told him I would prefer cash but may consider a CD structured like those he signed with the bloodsuckers. I did ask specifically why we never filed suit against the law firm he used that missed the old legacy debt CD which kneepads held.
Asked him to step up to the plate and cut his bedroom ties with YA and to start being more responsible to the common shareholders who paid his bills over the last 18 months.
Sangamon maybe she could put you in touch with her ghost brother since he doesn't seem to answer anyone except his closest cronies, he may be on the legal side of the line but not so on the common investor side. His non actions towards those that bought his talk hook line and sinker just shows he feels he is better then the commoners and thus has no need to respond to their questions on his company actions and shareprice in the toilet.
Wonder who gets his shares if he happened to choke on some lobster shells or a steak bone?
But we all know he will take a cut in pay for not producing. yeah right he is probably trying to figure out how to add to his wealth at our expense while talking to KK and Kneepads.
Lucky it doesn't seem that TS cares about the common shareholder only those with the preferrs and CD's otherwise he would have done something by now to show his graditude to those that funded his game. He must be having a hard time going anywhere while looking over his shoulder constantly. As for the missed old legacy CD screwup if it really was the fault of the lawyers he would have filed a lawsuit by now so it shows me he was toatally aware of it but had more to gain by allowing it to happen as it did.
maybe TS should invest the millions he has made selling the prior holdings into SWVC before his proposed R\S, but don't see that happening as since he doesn't hold commons now why would he in the future.
Jim I can't wait to run into him (TS)in person and I will.
GOLF
In my hand I hold a ball....
white and dimpled, rather small....
Oh, how bland it does appear....
this harmless looking little sphere...
By its size I could not guess...
The awesome strength it does possess...
But since I fell beneath its spell....
I've wandered through the fires of hell..
My life has not been quite the same....
Since I chose to play this stupid game....
It rules my mind for hours on end...
A fortune it has made me spend....
It has made me swear and yell and cry....
I hate myself and want to die....
It promises a thing called par....
If I can hit it straight and far...
To master such a tiny ball....
Should not be very hard at all….
But my desires the ball refuses....
And does exactly like it chooses....
It hooks and slices, dribbles and dies....
And even disappears before my eyes....
Often it will take a whim...
To hit a tree or take a swim....
With miles of grass on which to land...
It finds a tiny patch of sand...
Then has me offering up my soul....
If only it would find the hole....
It's made me whimper like a pup....
And swear that I will give it up...
And take a drink to ease my sorrow....
But the ball knows....
I'll be back tomorrow!!!
Flatsixer
Recieved your package today thanks. Tee time is 4:24 tonight