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Are you sure - Where did you get info about GreenBaron ?
Key question what's Rochlin role - would really like to know the answer but I don't.
As Assistant Manager Budgeting & Reporting at ACOR I simply can't believe that he bought CAML on his own like some kind of Christmas gift.He was perfectly aware that sooner or later this info will leak out.
Is he the one who will manage the new spin-off company ?
Maybe.He never have had any post on top executive position.But maybe.
He bought CAML shell to sell it to ACOR when the time is right ?
Sounds familiar.The guy know something what the others don't and that's it.
Maybe he acted on his own maybe not, but this isn't the case.
We're talking about FR clean OTCBB shell and there is the point.
Just like a ordinary stuff in grocery .Everything has it's value.
Wauu - what nice surprise !
For the first time I can see BID ASK at Firstrade RTQ.
Hope that the won't disappeare next Monday.
What about Ameritrade and others ?
ESFS 0.13 +0.02 0.12 0.13 5000x5000 0.13 0.13 50,680
ACOR as mid-cap company has no intention to RM into CAML.
This makes no sense.
We're talking all the time about ACOR spin-off company which will
deal exclusivly with their new drug FMD.
Yeah, from volume last year it looks like that this stock is really bounded into some kind of exclusive inner circle of investors.
Shame and pitfull , that a hard working company with real product,real sales etc... in front of all PINK SCAM simply doesn't get any attention at all.
The CF tells all, today like almost every day some 700$.
Or to spend some 15-20K$ to hire descent PR company and make good promotion or to - flip'n'flap daily.
sorry to disapoint you, but in the time beeing everything is just illusion until real deal is on the table.However the patiente was and is always the key to success when dealing with shells, specialy with such top shells as CAML.
this was my shoot.just want to tested type off sell order.
Any news from this living zoombie ?
Anybody ?
Good job.
Yep, this time looks promising.Just 2 weeks until D day.
But maybe someone knows much more then we do.
And DOMS which was fixed for last two weeks start moving.
With just 2500 shares at 0.55.
0.55 2,500 DOMS 01-07 14:34
CAML - interesning - double ask bellow 0.1 almost disappeared ( except NITE ).
Nice gap between 0.09 - 0.55.
On bid still NITE at 0,0308.
Strange brew ?
ASK 01/08/2010
0.09 5,000 NITE 01-05 13:41
0.55 2,500 DOMS 01-07 14:34
1.00 2,500 ETMM 12-18 12:32
Ask 01/05/2010
0.09 5,000 cNITE 01-05 13:41
0.14 5,000 cDOMS 12-30 10:26
0.15 5,000 cUBSS 01-05 09:52
Ask 12/29/2009
0.08 5,000 DOMS 11-25 10:39
0.09 5,000 NITE 12-29 10:12
0.15 5,000 STXG 10-01 13:41
I read and re-read last 10Q but didn't notice any significant progress.Hope the that next 10Q which is due on Feb 28 will show some sign of improvement.Otherwise adios amigos - just another shoot in the knee.We'll see.This situation can't last forever.
No doubt about progress, just read my previous message.
The only question is where this progress is headed to.
But even this is not question anymore.
OK guys.Don't allow yourself to be catched off guard.
1/22 is on the track.
Hey nobody claims that you're dumb so don't fell so! Members of this board will
always try to do our best to share our little piece of knowledge with everybody.
So re-read this :
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44785624
If something is not clear - ring.
sure what else ?
Stripping down OS with cancelling 36M prefferd which leads to 50M OS
gives PPS of 0.3$ ( with projected 5M$ sales in 2010 ).
Less preffered better.
Let's say - just 6M preffered + 24M float is PPS of 0.5$ at the end of 2010.
IMO.
So what ? What would you like to tell us ?
Sorry , where did you get this information ?
OK i won't dispute about question what is and what it is not excellent
share structure.Ratio of 2:1 ( AS / OS ) doesn't fit into category
off excelent share structure, not at all.
Long stinky way from 0.5$ PPS in July 2007 to 0.07$.
Small wonder - huge gain of some -86%.
Not to long way to become subby in next months to come.
where is this info from ?
Why I believe it is much better to send some kind of collective
letter of existing shareholders ?
Most probably in opositte we'll get in ( copy & paste ) reply something like :
Dear AAAA,BBBB,....YYYY
Thanks for your message.Everything you have adressed
will be explained in our next PR in week or two.
Yours ....
LA4321 that a good idea,but the effect will be multiplied if me or
somebody else from the board put together email with all facts,
analaysis, prognosis etc... already reviewed on this board and
I believe it shouldn't be bad idea that email should be
signed something like
IN THE NAME OF INVESTORS OF IHUB COMMUNITY
YOURS SINCERELY XXXX
or something like that ...
What do you think ?
Hey guys take a look and lets start thinking.
In Dec 2007 ..... PPS was 0.8 $
In Dec 2009 ..... PPS is 0.13 $
what means PPS in Dec 2009 is 84% below PPS in Dec 2007.
So what the hell is going on ?
Despite a impressive list on new customers,testing instalations
etc.. etc... in meantime PPS dropped for 84% !
So what that means ?
As for me that ESFS still have no "strong investors" willing to
put money in function of working capital and as result ( so I suspect )
this drop is simply consequence of share dillution which ESFS sold on market to finance its activities.
I don't see any other reasonable explanation at all.
So what should be done on first place ?
You ESFS guys must take a much much more energy and finnaly convience
"strong money" to come in company ASAP to raise enough working capital , to afford all costs to uplisted ESFS to OTCBB as
fully reporting company and that's it.
As simple as that.
I wrote few posts about share structure etc..,I'm not going to
repeat myself time and time.If you interested - read them.
I fully respect diversity of all other views presented here on board but - that's it.
Below is a list :
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Mon, Dec 21, 2009
6:00 AM Whole Foods Widens Scope of Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection to Installation in Commissaries - Marketwire
Tue, Dec 01, 2009
6:00 AM Automatic Inclusion of Eco-Safe Systems in Nationwide Restaurant Chain - Marketwire
Tue, Nov 03, 2009
6:08 AM Another Supermarket Chain Contracts for Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection Systems - Marketwire
Mon, Oct 26, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Management Deems Cash Management and Marketing Programs a Success - Marketwire
Mon, Oct 12, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Sells System for Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh, My! - Marketwire
Wed, Sep 30, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Satisfies FDA Regulated Hazard Analysis in Honolulu - Marketwire
Wed, Sep 09, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Ozonated Water Works Wonders for Tamales - Marketwire
Thu, Sep 03, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Slated for Expansion at Culinary Institute of the Pacific - Marketwire
Thu, Aug 20, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Announces Best Financials Ever - Marketwire
Mon, Jul 20, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Receives New Order for Delivery of Seven Ozone Disinfection Systems - Marketwire
Mon, Jun 29, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Systems to Market Its Ozonated Water Treatment to Huge Golf Course Market; Certified Soil Tests Confirm Benefits Through Eco-Safe Treatment - Marketwire
Wed, Jun 17, 2009
6:00 AM Lettuce Just Got Better With Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection - Marketwire
Tue, Jun 02, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Books Over $125,000 in Orders From Seafood Clients in One Day - Marketwire
Mon, May 18, 2009
6:00 AM Nationwide Restaurant Chain Begins Installation of Eco-Safe Systems - Marketwire
Mon, May 11, 2009
6:00 AM Niitakaya, the Japanese Specialty Foods Manufacturer, Buys Eco-Safe System - Marketwire
Tue, May 05, 2009
6:00 AM Research Indicates Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection Would Inactivate Type A, H1N1 Virus - Marketwire
Tue, Apr 14, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Wins Bid at Culinary School in University of Hawaii System - Marketwire
Wed, Mar 25, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection System Reordered by Seafood Processing Plant - Marketwire
Mon, Mar 02, 2009
6:00 AM ABC Does News Story on Eco-Safe and Whole Foods -- a Green Initiative - Marketwire
Mon, Feb 02, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Books Strong Sales in January; Installation of Demonstration Units to Large Companies Expected to Generate Continued Growth - Marketwire
Mon, Jan 12, 2009
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Systems Projects 2009 Revenues to Be 500% of Previous Year - Marketwire
Mon, Dec 29, 2008
6:00 AM Raffles L'Ermitage Beverly Hills First Hotel in California Going Green With Eco-Safe Systems - Marketwire
Wed, Dec 17, 2008
6:00 AM 5 Star Beverly Hills Hotel Going Green With Eco-Safe Systems - Marketwire
Tue, Dec 16, 2008
6:00 AM Eco-Safe Installs in Exclusive Bel Air Supermarket - Marketwire
Wed, Oct 22, 2008
5:35 AM Eco-Safe Systems USA Announces Appointment of Dr. Arthur Dawson - World Stock Wire
ue, Oct 14, 2008
9:45 AM Webcast Interview With Eco-Safe Systems Chief Scientist Dr. Dennis Harp Now Available - World Stock Wire
Thu, Oct 09, 2008
3:50 AM Chief Scientist for Eco-Safe Systems to Conduct Exclusive Webcast Interview with The Green Baron Report - World Stock Wire
Tue, Oct 07, 2008
9:55 AM Eco-Safe Announces Upcoming Annual Stockholders Meeting - World Stock Wire
Tue, Aug 05, 2008
1:50 PM Eco-Safe Signs Agreement for the Acquisition of Ozonetics, Inc. - World Stock Wire
1:50 PM Eco-Safe Signs Agreement for the Acquisition of Ozonetics, Inc. - World Stock Wire
Tue, Jun 17, 2008
4:10 AM Eco-Safe Announces Results of Challenge Study of Ozone vs. Chlorine - World Stock Wire
Tue, May 20, 2008
8:55 AM Eco-Safe – 2007 Certified Audit Profitable - World Stock Wire
Wed, Apr 30, 2008
7:01 AM Featured Stocks on Today's Edition of WallSt.net's 3-Minute Press Show: PTPE, ESFS, NILR - PR Newswire
Mon, Apr 28, 2008
10:55 AM Eco-Safe Disinfection Systems Expanding into Kosher Markets - World Stock Wire
Mon, Apr 21, 2008
12:45 PM Eco-Safe Disinfection Systems Expanding Markets into Animal Care Facilities - World Stock Wire
Mon, Apr 14, 2008
3:15 AM Canadian Food Inspection Agency Evaluates Eco-Safe Disinfection Systems for Registration in Canada - World Stock Wire
Thu, Mar 27, 2008
3:35 PM Eco-Safe Achieves Marketing Goal - World Stock Wire
Mon, Mar 24, 2008
4:20 AM Eco-Safe Completes Internal Audit in Preparation for Second Certified Audit - World Stock Wire
Mon, Mar 03, 2008
1:25 AM Eco-Safe Announces Breakthrough with New System - World Stock Wire
Tue, Feb 12, 2008
11:45 AM Eco-Safe Announces Leasing Agreement for Improved Cash Flow - World Stock Wire
Thu, Jan 31, 2008
3:00 AM Organic Supermarket Chain Re-Orders Eco-Safe Ozone Disinfection Units - World Stock Wire
Fri, Dec 21, 2007
4:25 AM Eco-Safe Internal Share Transfer Audit Completed - World Stock Wire
and what's the bid ?
Sure is hypothetical,after all the new board of directors can approve raising AS from 100M to 500M, and left the OS where it is.
But from previous experiences i still expect RS ,in other case we're staying in pennylands with all known consequences.No atraction from hedge funds etc...
But who know - ACORDA might involve some big creditors in first phase so we can stilcl jump on board with 1-2$ start PPS.
Everything is possible , but more I'm thinking more I believe that at the end waiting will be paid out.
IMO.
Doubt if they will decide for uplisting on NASDAQ, cause if they would like to proceed in this way they simply could buy shell which is already there ( as example CBTE http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=45103920&txt2find=cbte ).
Most probably this possible new spin-off company will start on OTCBB with some starting PPS somewhere 1-2$ and prior RS 1:10.In any case whatever will happen it's dificult to estimate what and how PPS will react in mid-term.AS for all dev stage companies with no history of revenues and so on .
But pure hypotetical scenario might look like this:
If on 1/22 Fampridine is finnaly approved and we have a new spin-off
company integrated into former CAML we should take into account
that AS/OS ( 2:1 ) is prety unflavourable.Usualy is 5:1 or higher to make a "room" so RS of 1:10 for me it seems reasonable.
After that we'll 5M OS with float of some 600K.
Any possibilities to gauge what will be the open price is
mission impossible as the only information on hand at that time will be future projected revenues.
But let's say if those future revenues are estimated at 5M $
( don't forget we're talking about broad market and prospectable drug product ) then future PPS should be some 3$.
As all we know MM's behaviour on such openings and very thin float
in game everything might happen.
We might see 2,5 or 10$ on first day close.Everything is possible.
So if you have 100K shs on hand and tomorow sell them on 0.05 you'll have 5k $ in your pocket.
If you wait and if scenario will work out.
You have 10K shares after RS and sell them for 2,5,10 $, so
there is 20,50,100 K $ in your pocket.
So the difference is pretty obviously.
Everything is PURE HYPOTHETICAL !, but when playing with shells everything is possible and damn I'm waiting for this CAML monster to wake up for some 4 years now.
Ah last minute make-up, yeah I see .Thanks.
0.09 200 OBB 15:36:25
0.0259 5000 OBB 15:23:55
0.06 10000 OBB 11:45:27
0.05 15000 OBB 11:45:16
close at 0.025 , MM's games again ?
which new year are you talking about - 201x ?
Your guess is corect.Im my opinion too, there ( in case that Fampridine-SR will get drug approval ) will follow spin-off soon after getting official approval.
So if this will be the case, we'll see it no later then end of February or early March.What will be the PPS , new ticker - who knows ?
Anyway the drug itself has a very broad market, but what will be
results, sales projections etc .... is very hard to judge.
Anyway the end of 2010 will ( most probably ) tell everything.
It's great to hear good news - sales projection for 2010 of some
5 M $.
But however I would like to refer again to my previous post
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44785111
All we can expect in 2010 ( on existing shares structure ) is PPS of some 15-20 cents.
Just pure basic investor math.
So the solution should be a simple one ( regarding PPS ).
Let's the insiders cancelled at least some 30M shares they already owned.
This will led us to some 57M outst and in result to PPS somewhere
betwen 25-30 cents.
In opositte we'll have to wait for three or maybe more years to reach
the goal of 1$ PPS.
I believe in ESFS technology , it's vision - but numbers are numbers.
And numbers count utmost.
However do your own math.
BSOI - 888K outstanding shares.
If and when ( after ten years ) we'll get running company on board
with lets say some very modest 3M $ revenues here is the result :
PPS = 3xrevenues/outstanding shares and result is
PPS = 10.13 USD
So this is what I'm talking about.
Maybe just a ordinary MM bluff.Maybe not.However this baby is worth a least 10$, perhaps more.Much more, depending on the RM bride ...
One of the best shells on the road.
IMO.
yep,exactly.This is the only real deal connected with CAML in present and in the future.
No prob.
Merry Christmass to all CAML'rs.
Hope that we'll really celebrate on Jan.22.2010.
I'm not sure what your question is .I'm saying that MM ARCA is on the ask 500 1.49$ .First time in my 5y shell-playing history to see such huge gap.
So my dear ESFS fellows !
Time to smarting over and over is over.
All we need is to present our views,fears and propositions directly
to ESFS head - Michael Elliot.
So instead SMARTING let's start ACTING as responsible shareholders
and put together e-mail and send it to :
Here's his e-mail adress:
melliot@ecosafesystemsusa.com
He is the first,last and only person who should be adressed on this issue.
IMO.
It's not about names anymore.
We're talking about doing bussines , in short - selling ESFS equipment
to end users and get paid in return.
I believe that this testing time framework shouln't last more
then 6 months or so .Afterall ESFS doesn't produce space technology,
so it seems reasonable to me that this testing time should be
cut down to no more then 6 months.
We don't need any new big names but just purchase orders, closed
contracts and accelerate revenues growth.
Names has nothing to do with bussines, sounds fancy but no more then that.
IMO.
Two years of testing and still no firm orders?
That's crucial and meaningfull.
It means that either end customers has no money to implement
ESFS technology either there's no firm pressure from ESFS management
to put technology on test in time efficient manner.
In other words - which car dealer would you lend a car for 2 years
testing free of charge ?