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If only it could boost PEIX share price. SP is getting further and further away from the book value.
The SP is moving in the wrong direction.
IF the price is an indication for the news, the GERS has been doing really fine this year (0.040 on January 2nd 2019 to 0.095 now), and there is great news to come. IF I compare it to my other investment PEIX who seems to have been infringing on GERS patents, GERS really seems to be the place to be, and PEIX is doing crap (1.09 on January 2nd 2019 to 0.85 now), and the news involving them is going to be crap too.
IF I was planning on investing more money, my money would be in GERS
Top refinery lobby group sues Trump EPA over E15 gasoline
SOURCE: https://seekingalpha.com/news/3470295-top-refinery-lobby-group-sues-trump-epa-e15-gasoline
The American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers lobby group files a lawsuit attempting to block the Trump administration's effort to expand sales of higher ethanol blends of gasoline, escalating the battle between the oil and corn industries over U.S. biofuel policy.
Pres. Trump had directed the Environmental Protection Agency to lift a summertime ban on the sale of gasoline containing 15% ethanol in an effort to help U.S. farmers; the EPA unveiled its rule doing so on May 31.
The AFPM asked the D.C. Court of Appeals to review the EPA's rule, according to papers filed today.
PEIX CEO on EPA Final E15 Rule Webcast
Article supplied by PEIX through LHA Investor Relations:
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced on May 31st its Final Rulemaking for Modifications to Fuel Regulations to Provide Flexibility for E15 and to Elements of the Renewable Identification Number Compliance System. Under the finalized expansion, E15 will be allowed to be sold year-round without additional RVP control rather than just eight months of the year.
On June 3rd the Renewable Fuels Association (RFA) hosted a webcast to discuss the rule and its forward impact. Neil Koehler, Pacific Ethanol’s CEO and RFA’s Board Chairman, was one of the webcast panelists.
We thought you might find the perspectives offered in the webcast of interest and have included a link to the webcast replay below.
E15 Final Rule: Next Steps
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has removed regulatory barriers allowing access to E15 fuel year-round. Representatives of the Renewable Fuels Association and other industry stakeholders shared information about the future of E15 and what this ruling means for retailers and consumers.
Panelists included: Geoff Cooper, President and CEO, Renewable Fuels Association; Neil Koehler, RFA Board Chairman and CEO of Pacific Ethanol; Steve Walk, Chief Operations Officer, Protec Fuel; and Bryan Stockton, Counsel, Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP.
Webcast Link: E15 MEDIA CALL HOSTED BY RENEWABLE FUELS ASSOCIATION
Nope, GERS is selling licensed technology, that's something else then selling patents. However some other companies are infringing into their patents, which makes the technology worthless if that is allowed. That's why they need to fight that infringement.
But I bet that KK would have preferred to add all infringing companies to their clients instead of meeting them in court. However they tried over and over again to come to an agreement and had several settlement attempts. And since that doesn't work, they are trying to get the money they deserve at the highest court.
What would you do, if somebody steals the products you have been working on and investing in, to earn your income?
EPA to allow year-round sale of E15 gasoline in bid to help farmers
May 31, 2019 11:21 AM ET|
Source: https://seekingalpha.com/news/3468330-epa-allow-year-round-sale-e15-gasoline-bid-help-farmers
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency formally lifts restrictions on the sale of ethanol fuel, allowing gasoline with a 15% mix of ethanol to be sold year-round instead of just eight months per year.
The widely expected action is a win for the U.S. farm lobby, which has argued the restrictions on E15 hurt growers by limiting demand for ethanol without providing tangible air quality benefits; recent research has found little difference in smog risk between E15 and E10, a 10% ethanol blend already available all year long.
The American Petroleum Institute opposes the move, calling it "an anti-consumer policy that risks causing costly engine and fuel system damage to nearly three out of four vehicles on the road today."
"EPA has left us no choice but to pursue legal action to get this unlawful rule overturned," says the president and CEO of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers.
As a GERS investor I love the opportunity GERS has, and more then once I tried to point it out the some who seem to miss the big picture. But as a moderator of the board, I'm not allowed to decide to delete a post, just because I don't like what it says or because it it untrue.
I have to obey to certain rules when I wish to delete a post. The rules can be found here. If it doesn't cross those lines, I can not delete it. I try to work by this handbook as much as I can.
But once again, if you or somebody else thinks a post is off topic even though it isn't deleted, just report it to an admin by clicking "report TOS violation" or if you think a post is deleted but shouldn't be, you can ask for a deletion review.
Nope!
“When a forecast can't be made, because of the limited abilities of the forecaster, That's not a positive result, it's an inconclusive result.”
So you can’t say that PEIX is mentioned in that news item as a ticker because they will benefit in anyway from what is described inthis article.
You did say:
“Did you notice "PEIX" in the list of relevant tickers? I did. It's relevant because PEIX is an ethanol producer who will benefit in many ways from the extra ethanol that will be blended into the gasoline that Americans put into their millions of cars for travel this summer.”
There is NO relation between PEIX being named in this article and PEIX benefiting from extra ethanol being blended into gasoline this summer. Like you’ve claimed.
That’s all I wanted to say.
“Did you notice "PEIX" in the list of relevant tickers? I did. It's relevant because PEIX is an ethanol producer who will benefit in many ways from the extra ethanol that will be blended into the gasoline that Americans put into their millions of cars for travel this summer. “
It is unclear whether a narrowed-down version of the market reform plan will limit the intended benefits to refiners.
I did notice it, that’s why I shared it. The Reuters article had more to say then the SA article, so I decided to link the Reuters original version.
However this article isn’t like you say “relevant because PEIX is an ethanol producer who will benefit in many ways from the extra ethanol”
But because as the article say’s: “It is unclear whether a narrowed-down version of the market reform plan will limit the intended benefits to refiners.” But it could be. So I don’t know where you read the positive news in the article.
EPA to unveil less ambitious U.S. biofuel credit reform
WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency plans to unveil a narrowed-down version of its proposed biofuel credit market reform this month after regulators concluded many of the agency’s initial ideas required more time to study, according to four people briefed on the matter.
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Don’t forget the appeal windfall is excluded from the Attis deal.
I don’t expect anything else interesting happening before the final judgement on that case, so until then, all the rest is less interesting IMHO
Edit: something was wrong with my ihub app. Showing only half a day of trading for peix.
It’s normal now. Yep. Closing below $1. Still not nice
If a post is about attis, and might be in relation to GERS I don’t think a moderator can see it as off topic. The same goes for posts about hemp or ethanol. GERS businesses seems related to these topics.
However I personally understand how fast it might seem as an overkill at this time, but still. Some (potentially) investors might be interested in reading about it. But I don’t think it are many.
I’m only deleting posts if I think they are off topic, to keep the board clean. Still people can ask a iHub admin for a review if they disagree. I might be wrong sometimes. Also one can request an admin to review if a post should be deleted. I recommend that if you think some posts don’t belong on this board.
I know. I wasn't referring to you, but some investors seem to think something like:
"potential GERS investors will naturally look at other ethanol producers"
LOL, "other ethanol producers" like GERS is an Ethanol producer.
Some investors pretend they know it all, but in fact they don't know a thing.
Funny how an investor literally seems to think that GERS is an ethanol producer. LMAO
Trump weighs visit to Iowa ethanol plant - Bloomberg
Source: Seeking Alpha
May. 21, 2019 6:22 PM - ETA:
Carl Surran, SA News Editor
Pres. Trump is considering visiting an ethanol refinery in Iowa in the coming weeks, a signal that the administration will fulfill a pledge to allow the year-round sale of high-ethanol gasoline sought by Iowa corn farmers, Bloomberg reports.
Trump visited Iowa last fall and said he signed a memo telling the Environmental Protection Agency to lift summertime fueling restrictions on E15 gasoline, which contains 15% ethanol.
But since then, Midwestern farmers who helped propel Trump to the White House have suffered lower sales due to the trade war with China that has hit U.S. agricultural products with tariffs.
The deliberations over the ethanol refinery visit come as the Trump administration reportedly will announce another package of aid to farmers hurt by the trade war as soon as tomorrow that could exceed $15B.
If somebody thinks that sec filings are the most interesting to GERS , and moving toward Nasdaq is their goal, after reading all that is posted here, I think it’s a lost case to try to convince them otherwise.
Woow you really had some patience there. I guess he just doesn’t get that what happened to GERS in the past, shared here: https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=126571953 was the same conversion you are talking about and what we would be facing in case Yagi would be able to start to convert again. If he still doesn’t get that, it really is wasted energy.
Funny how one acknowledges that GERS isn’t a normal company, but still has a hard time accepting that as a fact and keeps comparing a OTC pink sheet to DJ or Nasdaq companies
Many of us know what the game is over here, but some are still looking at GERS like it is a regular company.
I personally think sharing information about the market we’re in has little use. However I also can understand how sharing market information anyway can serve some newbies in painting a picture about GERS as a company.
Information about how GERS is doing in the market would be more useful, but we all know why that isn’t available.
If some newbies are interested in reading about the market GERS is in, that’s fine with me.
But discussing the market information like it is very useful to us, seems indeed very useless at this time. That’s my opinion.
It seems that where politics try to increase the usage and production on one side, harm the export on thee other side.
Trade war hurting U.S. ethanol industry 'badly' - U.S. Grains Council
source: https://seekingalpha.com/news/3464680-trade-war-hurting-u-s-ethanol-industry-badly-u-s-grains-council?
The U.S.-China trade war is "badly" hurting the U.S. ethanol industry, Mike Dwyer, chief economist of the U.S. Grains Council, said at an event at New York Sugar week.
"Without the tariff protection we would probably supply 90%-plus of all [ethanol] import needs they [China] had," Dwyer said while on a panel with Renewable Fuels Association chief economist Scott Richman.
While domestic measures such as the promised expansion of higher ethanol gasoline blends such as E15 help, trade issues must be resolved for the industry to thrive, Dwyer said, adding "if this trade war ended tomorrow you would see margins expand by $0.10 a gallon."
The drops in SP aren't comparable in any way to other stock. GERS is still up far above it's low's. It never dropped below the levels reached in May 2017. Until that month GERS was constantly in a free fall. Since then GERS moved up from below 0.01 and never closed even below 0.03 since that month.
It has hovered mostly in the range of 0.03 to 0.55, with in the beginning of that period some more movement toward 0.7 and 0.75, a peak in January 2018 in the 0.2 range when there was a lot of anticipation on the possibility of a settlement. After that the trading went back to 0.07 and lower.
So for GERS the range between 0.03 and 0.07 is nothing special if you look at the past two years.
Being able to buy around 0.03 will give you very cheap shares, and if you're able to sell above 0.07 at this time, you can consider it a good deal, just based on trades of the last two years.
GERS is trading high compared to the period in May 2017 (post RS), and low if you compare it to the trading surrounding the settlement negotiations around December 2017 and January 2018.
Any drops and rises within the 0.03 and 0.07 can be considered normal if you look at the facts.
If people wish to trade GERS for the short term, I would advice them to buy and sell within that range. But watch out. GERS trading volume has been very low since there isn't any dilution any more, so to put your Gains or losses to coins might be hard if it concerns a lot of shares.
Those who are into GERS for the long ride, looking for any action like happened in the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018, will be doing great if they are able to buy within the range of 0.03 and 0.07. Things might get a lot wilder if there is a positive outcome of the lawsuit. And it will make the increase of value in 2017/2018 look like nothing compared to what will happen then.
No guarantees of course, but I'm putting my bets on that, and I expect to see that outcome before the end of 2020. So compared to January 2018, we are half way at the least.
These are the facts, if people want links with that: Best you check this page for the historical quotes and these postsmight help you to put the peak in January 2018 in perspective.
For those who want to ignore these facts and enlarge any movement on this thin trading stock like it was Apple, go ahead, but I don't think it will help you investing.
“Down below 6¢ often, up above 7¢ rarely.”
Whatever
I think it just all depends on the numbers coming out of court. Investors might just release some math on the awarded money and the OS to see what price is reasonable to buy in and still make some money.
But it will also depend on how fast the news will spread.
I admit it, It took me sometime to realize that some investors just never admit they see the real value of GERS and they deny they do, that’s their game.
In reality they hold on tight to their shares. Not willing to sell, but just pretending they want to.
GERS is even the best opportunity to make money in their opinion, but what ‘s the fun in watching paint dry.
Until the judges come to their final decision, it will be the same.
I think that the thing is to ignore it, or just say “whatever” because in the end, it will not matter anyway.
GERS will go where ever it goes.
“The price has been flat for the past three weeks, and it's likely to stay flat for the next three weeks.”
Whatever
“I'm still right about this pitiful excuse for a publicly-traded company, too. The price has been flat for three weeks now.”
Whatever
“You've said at least twice that you own some PEIX shares, so both of us will be eating well when the price moves up close to the $6.35 Book Value.”
Yes that’s correct. But so far I don’t think it will happen fast.
“You and I both know that the Book Value will never move down to the trading price.”
Not so far down, because the trading price moves along. As you’ll probably already know, did the book value already move down almost 3 in a little more than 3 years.
“I've been right about this stock all along.
When I was buying shares, my purchases were justified by current or recent SEC filings that showed income and the potential for growth.
Now that Kevin and the boys who run this company have stopped sending anything to the SEC, my lack of purchases are still justified because the stock price has been flat ever since the third quarter of 2016, which is when they sent their last document.”
Whatever
“Not with a $6.35 Book Value, improving weather in Nebraska, an improving relationship between Pacific Ethanol and its' lenders, and an increasing price for ethanol.”
the proof of the pudding is in the eating
There is a lot of upside to a lot of other stock, but that doesn’t mean they can all make you rich. PEIX also has a lot of challenges to come over before moving up. Until then, the change they move further down is just as likely.