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Cyclone called their engine simple. I say it is not. You compare it to a Diesel, If you compare a Diesel to a Space shuttle you could say the Diesel is simple.
I posted a list of parts that have not been tested in the real world and some on this board called it, "complete garbage". The fact is that there is not one Cyclone engine running under real world conditions. Cyclone can not get a lawn mower or a golf cart running with a Cyclone engine and some talk about putting them in a Pontiac . That I would call, "complete garbage".
If they knew what it was they were doing, it would not be called research, would it?
Again this engine and these parts have not been tested in the simplest real world product. I know why. Do you know why?
A list of some untested parts in the simple cyclone engine.
Centrifugal Condenser
Spider Bearing
Clearance Volume Valves in a Steam Engine
engine shrouding with Air to Air Exchanger
Valve Controlled Throttle Mechanism
Engine Reversing and Timing Control
Pre-Heater Coil in a Heat Regenerative Engine
main engine cylinder
valves
pistons
push rods
crankshaft
camshaft
axially designed engine
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Another true statement from my post:
The Outstanding shares has gone up, from 61,648,436 to 83,016,048 in one year. The shareholders should be concerned. Any investor should know that these share will become freely tradable shares.
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This is not a simple engine and it is loaded with untested material and designs. It took a hundred years to get the external combustion engine to the point of dependability it now has. The consumer is not going to wait for Harry to get his engine running.
We do not need another fuel burning engine at this time.
A list of some untested parts in the simple cyclone engine.
Centrifugal Condenser
Spider Bearing
Clearance Volume Valves in a Steam Engine
engine shrouding with Air to Air Exchanger
Valve Controlled Throttle Mechanism
Engine Reversing and Timing Control
Pre-Heater Coil in a Heat Regenerative Engine
main engine cylinder
valves
pistons
push rods
crankshaft
camshaft
axially designed engine
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The Outstanding shares has gone up, from 61,648,436 to 83,016,048 in one year. The shareholders should be concerned. Any investor should know that these share will become freely tradable shares.
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IMNSHO, this will become a three digit stock. .001 LOL
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'Cee-It', Information you failed to mention;
Harry Filed for his patent on September 13, 2005. Appl. No.: 11/225,422
Years later there is not a single device using a Cyclone engine or a WHE. There are a 100 million shares sold and one Billion shares authorized. Not one real engine manufacture has bought a license agreement and the company has spent millions of dollars trying to make a working model of anything, lawn mower etc. If you look at the design you will find that it has to many parts and to many areas of possible failure. The Steam engine and Internal combustion engine choice was made a hundred years ago and now is not the time to start all over with the steam engine.
CYPW
For the poster that asked me who Carl Mueller is. If you look at post # 15370 ("Here are some facts") you will find this:
Thanks.
Carl Mueller, COO aka Piecemaker
Waste Heat Resources, Inc.
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We now know that Advent Power Systems, Inc.....Revgine, Inc. and Waste Heat Resources, Inc. have license agreements with Cyclone (CYPW), and they have web-sites but do not own or operate any production facilities and they all use home offices for their address.
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CHECK THIS OUT!!!!
Steam Engine Technology
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=434462
Waste Heat Engine
http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/rankine-cycle-cogeneration/
Here are true facts:
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. is a company located in Carl Mueller's home.
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. has never built or sold anything.
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. has no production or any other kind of facilities.
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. has no funding.
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. has not completed one deal.
Waste Heat Resources, Inc. does not have an exclusive license with Cyclone Power Technologies. They paid nothing to Cyclone and if they ever make or sell something, Cyclone will then receive a royalty.
You would never have known these things if you read the press release. Yet Waste Heat says: "We believe it is to be transparent and not try to be something we are not".
Now that we know the truth. Carl Mueller the COO says: "That is all I will say on this matter."
I was right when I said: "This latest Press Release is clearly a case of intentional deception."
"This Press Release has one purpose and one purpose only...to pimp its penny-stock shares to the unsuspecting investor. The Private Placement shares are probably selling for .11 and they are getting desperate.
deja vu.. Do you have the feeling that one has seen or heard something before? Advent Power Systems, Inc.....Revgine, Inc. and now Waste Heat Resources, Inc."
This latest Press Release is clearly a case of intentional deception. The company, "Waste Heat Resources, Inc." is nothing more than a newly created Web-site. It has no history of any business actions and it is not listed in any phone book and it does not even have an address.
The only name that appears on the Press Release or web-site is Carl Mueller COO, 323-9534-8444
Carl Mueller COO, and that phone number belong to a 65+ man living in Los Angeles CA. in a Residential Home. That information is easily verifiable because of the phone number. I have communicated with Carl Mueller in the past, and 90% of the people on this board should know who Carl Mueller is. Call him, if you don't know who he is, you are in for a surprise.
This Press Release has one purpose and one purpose only...to pimp its penny-stock shares to the unsuspecting investor. The Private Placement shares are probably selling for .11 and they are getting desperate.
deja vu.. Do you have the feeling that one has seen or heard something before. Advent Power Systems, Inc.....Revgine, Inc. and now Waste Heat Resources, Inc.
Cyclone stock in the last two months:
February,11,2009 close .46
April,21,2009 close .20
CYPW
Cyclone stock in the last year:
June,09,2008 close .93
April,21,2009 close .20
CYPW
Cyclone stock last two years:
July,18,2007 close 2.50
April,21,2009 close .20
CYPW
Everything else has been mere window dressing.
KatmasterM
You posted:
"cyclone power technologies was a nickel, 5 cents...and is now 21 cents...this is a quadruple...when lots of companies went down as much as 90 percent...
let speak about it frankly... and look at these results"
Using your logic and looking at the chart I could say:
The stock was $2,50 now it is 21 cents
The stock was $1.00 now it is 21 cents
The stock was $0.50 now it is 21 cents
Frankly speaking you are cherry picking the numbers when you say this stock has made a "huge gain".
CYPW
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The basis for my estimate that there are approximately 100 million shares issued is:
The i-hub box states:
Outstanding Shares
82,902,139 as of Dec 31, 2008, plus the shares sold in first quarter of 2009.
The problem is that this is a non-SEC reporting company and the outstanding shares could be 200 million we may never know.
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The patent Harry has is not for the Sterling engine. The Sterling engine uses hot air. The Cyclone engine uses hot water. LOL
I belive it would only be fair to anyone you recommend buying this stick, that you tell them to look at the chart very closely before they make a decision to buy. They just might not agree with your assessment, that this has been a good investment in the past.
The problem with the Cyclone engine is that they have not let anyone independently verify their claims, or demonstrated that they have a working prototype of a product using the engine.
This is a Pink Sheet Stock of a non-SEC reporting company that finances its operations by the dilution of its stock. It has one Billion authorized shares.
CYPW ... Is this stock going to flatline?
Bottom Line
The bottom line is that you are here to make money. Look at the two year history of this stock before you invest your money. Be aware that they have a Billion authorized shares, and they are actively selling shares at 40% to 50% below the current market price. Good luck!
My sentiment, opinion, belief:
1.The Cyclone engine is a fuel burning engine that is not basically better than a deisel. It is unproven, not efficient and is not the answer to the world's problems.
2. The WHE that is purposed for Bent Glass requires 500,000 BTU's to develop 18hp. My riding motor is 20 HP. The WHE is just not practical. How many applications are there that can capture 500,000 BTU's of waste heat and is it worth all the maintenance and cost for 18hp?
3. I estimate that there are approximately 100 million shares issued and 900 million authorized shares that have not been issued yet. The situation is at the point where the company could be successful but the investors won't be successful.
4. Visiting just one R&D company or calling that company does not give you any real facts about the product. Independent testing is what is needed.
5. The stock closed at $.20 on Friday. The teens might be even sooner than I thought.
KatmasterM, lets think this through. The investors who bought shares at 40% to 50% below market price now have some options when the restrictions expire.
1.They can sell and walk away with a profit.
2. They can sell and keep the profit and buy the same number of restricted shares again.
3.They can sell and reinvest and buy twice as many restricted shares.
4. Or, as you suggested, do nothing and wait for this thing to take off.
In the past this company has sold millions of restricted shares, that are now showing up on the market, and they continue to sell them because they have no other significant source of revenue.
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ctb, Do you believe calling the company will result in finding out anything that is negative? Does a salesman sell rotten apples?
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grajekk, wellcome back ! LOL
Cee-It, I agree with you. Cyclone is not an SEC reporting company - that is, they are not required to file annual reports on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, periodic reports on Form 8-K and other required SEC reports - they can ONLY trade on the Pink Sheets.
IMHO: Cyclone has one billion authorized shares(1,000,000,000). They have been selling these shares at a 40% to 50% discount. This has been their source of financing to keep the doors open. As the restrictions on the discounted shares expire, the shares are reaching the public on the open market. The share price can not go up despite the numerous press releases because the investors who bought the restricted shares are happy to double their money with the price in the teens. I believe this stock will shortly be in the teens.
Cyclone intentionally is not publishing the number of shares they are selling, but they need to sell as many as they can, because it is a fact that none of the Cyclone engines are ready for production or in use and they, therefore, have no other significant source of revenue.
READ THE CHART !
DEFINITION Of A ONE HORSE PONY SHOW :
Harry Schoell is President and CEO of Cyclone Power Technologies, inventor, salesman and financier of the company and he is working without pay, If the 66 year old man dies the one horse pony show dies with him. The show will be over.
I said:
"Harry is 66 years old I wish him a long life, but yes I am concerned. because I think Cyclone is a one horse pony show."
feinanddandy, I will do my best to try to help you understand my statement.
My original post #15178:
"We just had the best 4 week run in the DOW since 1933. Despite two (actually it was four) Press releases, CYPW went down a penny.
now invest: Hopefully you've invested in this incredible bear market rebound that we're in. There are huge profits to be made here. Don't put false optimism ahead of facts and logic."
Pay attention to the words, "bear market". A Bear Market is a market condition in which the prices of securities are falling or are expected to fall. This may explain why GM and other companies haven't prospered from the bear Market rebound.
Your post #15185
And as I regret correcting you, the Stock Market had its WORST run two weeks ago, not sure where you were when that happened, but it fell to 7200 & change on March 23rd.
The fact is that on March 23rd the DJIA rose 497.48 to close at 7,775.48, up 6.84%, fifth largest point gain in history.
Your questions about the history of the Dow Jones Industrial Average can be found at this site. Check it out, it is very interesting.
http://www.mdleasing.com/djia.htm
This post may be even more confusing to you but it's the best I can do this late at night.
feinanddandy: I posted, "We just had the best 4 week run in the DOW since 1933. Despite two Press releases, CYPW went down a penny."
Correction: We just had the best 4 week run in the DOW since 1933. Despite four Press releases, CYPW went down a penny.
Press releases:
03/31/2009 8:00AM BW NOX Emissions Nearly Zero in Tests of Cyclone Power’s Steam Engine
03/17/2009 8:00AM BW Military Licensee Advent Power Systems Delivers Final License Fee to Cyclone Power
03/10/2009 8:00AM BW Cyclone Power Adds Engineering Muscle to its Waste Heat Engine Division
03/03/2009 8:00AM BW Canada Approves Patent on Cyclone Power Technologies’ Green Engine
feinanddandy: This is clear proof of my statement, not speculation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE5312HP20090403?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=35
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090403/dow-sets-bestweek-run-since-1933.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=7245971
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ctb, Let us be clear, now invest said: "(like a key player no longer there)".
Harry is 66 years old I wish him a long life, but yes I am concerned. because I think Cyclone is a one horse pony show.
Piecemaker: Harry does not have an engineering degree!
In post # 15169 FrazDog the automation engineer stated:
"Just to eliminate further un-fruitful discussion, I did see it running on steam power and not just compressed air."
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feinanddandy: You asked for historical facts.
"Please post the historical facts (With web links containing proof) about your comment on the the Stock Market from 1933."
Web links containing proof:
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE5312HP20090403?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=35
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090403/dow-sets-bestweek-run-since-1933.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=7245971
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now invest: You bring up an important fact in your statement.
"Frankly.. at this point.. I would like to see the price back down to .15 ... In the absence of BAD news (like a key player no longer there) I would be buying and buying.. But do your own DD.... I include the "Macro" realities in my analysis... Politics, polution, future price of oil.. etc.. and I get more confident all the time"..
Is Cyclone a “one trick pony”?
What would happen if the 66 year old CEO had some health issues?
We just had the best 4 week run in the DOW since 1933. Despite two Press releases, CYPW went down a penny.
now invest: Hopefully you've invested in this incredible bear market rebound that we're in. There are huge profits to be made here. Don't put false optimism ahead of facts and logic.
Emissions Testing News, Stock Goes DOWN
The unit of measurement announced by Cyclone Technology in the PR can not be equated to the standards used by the EPA.
Cyclone admits it is difficult to compare their results with current EPA standards.
Today's EPA standards are measured in g/bhp-hr, not PPM, as Cyclone reported.
Without knowing the fuel mixture ratio of air and fuel and power output per gallon of fuel, the PR is without meaning.
There were no numbers in the PR from any Dyno test.
The question remains, why the engine was not tested and evaluated against EPA standards?
The Devil is in the details and the Press Release was lacking in details.
One of the most prevalent approaches that R&D companies take is to omit the bad and exaggerate the good.
It is clearly not improper to quote a part of a Press Release without posting the entire release. For example, the daily news is just a sound bite of each event. When you quote numbers from an annual report, you don't have to quote the entire report, etc., etc.
The point you didn't comment on is the fact that the numbers Cyclone gave cannot be compared to the numbers that the EPA uses and Frankie Fruge, the COO, states that in the press release. That is not misleading.
Todays EPA standards are measured in g/bhp-hr not PPM.
Press Release quote:
“While it is difficult to compare these results with current EPA standards,” stated Frankie Fruge, Cyclone’s COO."
2010 standards are as follows:
· PM – 0.01 g/bhp-hr
· NOx – 0.20 g/bhp-hr
· NMHC – 0.14 g/bhp-hr
CYPW
Showing mock-ups of products that don't exist is misleading!
Todays EPA standards are measured in g/bhp-hr not PPM.
I agree, how do you compare PPM to g/bhp-hr ?
Press Release quote:
“While it is difficult to compare these results with current EPA standards,” stated Frankie Fruge, Cyclone’s COO."
2010 standards are as follows:
· PM – 0.01 g/bhp-hr
· NOx – 0.20 g/bhp-hr
· NMHC – 0.14 g/bhp-hr
Frazdog, You did see the engine running on steam power. That has zero emmitions.
There is a reason why this and every Cyclone PR has little effect on the share price. Think about it.
clue: total of 12 trades today, buy volume 25,159, sell volume 34,800.. Price did not go up one penny.
Again the devil is in the details. The government talks about nox- grams/ horsepower -hr. What is the efficiency and what is the nox g/bhp-hr? Looks like just not sufficient info to get investors excited.
2010 standards are as follows:
· PM – 0.01 g/bhp-hr
· NOx – 0.20 g/bhp-hr
· NMHC – 0.14 g/bhp-hr
Sources:
EPA Web site: www.epa.gov.
Air Quality Where You Live
Glossary of Terms
Air Toxics from Motor Vehicles
Diesel Technology Forum Web site: www.dieselforum.org.
Diesel Issues Forum
Diesel Net Web site: www.dieselnet.com
Health and Environmental Effects
GP04-40
060904
Piecemaker stated: "I have important information to be shared privately."
As this is a Public Company, all information that is shared with one shareholder has to be shared with all shareholders. The company is not allowed to give out info. to one shareholder. And yes, I AM A SHAREHOLDER.
Buenijo, One of the most prevalent approaches that R&D companies take is to omit the bad and exaggerate the good.
Cyclone has not published any results from independent tests.
The point is that Cyclone keeps coming up with new products (mock-ups) that never get made. It has nothing to do with the lives of our children.
If you can't make a lawnmower how can you make products for warfare,underwater or outer space?
Cyclone may be able to make the shinny red and black mock-ups for Disneyland.
LORTAP KCOTS, I expect to see another non-functioning mock-up of this Cyclone product. Cyclone does not make working, tested, and certified products. They make mock-ups, because CYPW is an R and D company, not a manufacturing company.
Are you calling an SEC regulation nonsense? All companies are not required to put the disclaimer in their subscription agreement. Companies that have the capital or the financing in place are not required to make that statement.
Cyclone has been issuing Private Placement shares at discounted prices. They have one billion authorized shares and they are using them as we speak. That is why the SEC regulation applies to Cyclone. It is not in any way nonsense.
Here is a quote from another poster that I agree with:
If the "Cyclone miracle engine was everything it claims, the company would never have gone public and sold all that deeply discounted stock to "investors". Venture capital would have been freely available, and once they had a working, tested, and certified product the company could have done an IPO and really cashed in.
That they didn't follow that route tells you a lot".
This is the SEC required statement from CYPW:
While the Company is actively engaged in both capital raising and
licensing activities, management can make no assurances that such
efforts will result in the needed funding for the Company. If such funds
cannot be raised or otherwise generated, the Company will be forced to
reduce staff, minimize its research and development activities, or shutdown
operations. Currently the Company has cash reserves and cash
commitments to sustain operations through Q4 2008 and possibly into Q1
2009, however, such cash on hand is not currently sufficient for the
Company to expand operations at the pace that management believes to
be optimal for its business prospects.
If you are new, this information should be very informative to you and it is not found in the Ibox.
Quarterly Report Sept 30, 2008
While the Company is actively engaged in both capital raising and
licensing activities, management can make no assurances that such
efforts will result in the needed funding for the Company. If such funds
cannot be raised or otherwise generated, the Company will be forced to
reduce staff, minimize its research and development activities, or shutdown
operations. Currently the Company has cash reserves and cash
commitments to sustain operations through Q4 2008 and possibly into Q1
2009, however, such cash on hand is not currently sufficient for the
Company to expand operations at the pace that management believes to
be optimal for its business prospects.
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=cypw
If you are new to Cyclone please be aware that the information provided in the the Ibox is clearly biased and does not present both sides of the story.
Piecemaker, The poster Frazdog stated he went to the Cyclone shop and saw the engine run on steam.
You say that statement reflects a clear misunderstanding of the technology and that the statement can only be interpreted as a blatant attempt to mislead. I see no reason for Frazdog to lie. I believe him, he was an eye witness.
Quote Frazdog:
"Just to eliminate further un-fruitful discussion, I did see it running on steam power and not just compressed air."
FrazDog, I want to personally thank you for going to shows and the shop to see the Cyclone engine running. As you stated, you have eliminated any "further un-fruitful discussion" because you did see the engine running on steam power.
This means that we can put Cyclone engines in our cars and run them on steam. The fuel stations of the future will have three pumps, regular, high test and steam. We will no longer have to import oil and our problems are solved. Steam should be much cheaper, afterall, steam is really just hot water.
You may think Cyclone does not need to update the stockholders about a four month old Press Release. Do you think they should say something about a two year old Press Release? Was it you who was going to buy a Cyclone powered lawnmower last year? (lol)
Cyclone Power Technologies Announces New License Option; Application Could Present 'Clean and Green' Alternative for U.S. Postal Vehicles
POMPANO BEACH, Fla., Jul 25, 2007 (PrimeNewswire via COMTEX) -- Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Pink Sheets:CYPW) announced today that it has signed an option for a second license agreement with Advent Power Systems, Inc.
I acknowledge that this is speculation, but it has been four months since the Bent Glass announcement on 11/17/2008. I read the info from the unknown person who claimed he worked at Bent Glass and I think the problem is a technical one. The same technical reason that Cyclone does not show a WHE running on waste heat. The same reason Harry doesn't attach a WHE to the tailpipe of his car to demonstration the WHE.
I wonder what the excuse will be next month.
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MarcAntiny, did you ever consider that the people who work for stock are selling the stock as soon as they can? As I said before if they are not independently wealthy they just can't work for nothing.
ctb, You are correct, getting the BTUs out of thousands of cubic feet of hot air is no easy task. Just think about how big the air conditioner would have to be if that was the method used to remove the heat from the hot air.
Did Harry invent a new technology for air conditioning?
He could take the BTU's found in the air on a hot summer day and use them to run a Cyclone waste heat engine, that could air condition your house.(LOL)
My guess is that the waste heat at Bent Glass is found in the thousands of cubic feet of hot air it uses in it's glass process. The problem they may be having is getting the BTU's out of the hot air and into the Cyclone engine.
Heat exchanger problems! IMHO
Piecemaker, today the Dow was up 500 points, CYPW did not change. I wouldn't bet on tomorrow. There is plenty of buying time here..IMHO
grajekk, If you get 10 kilowatts of electricity per hour from 500,000 BTUs of waste heat all you need is 500,000 BTUs of waste heat and you can keep the lights on.(lol)
Friday, March 20, 2009
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/stories/2009/03/23/focus4.html?ana=from_rss
HATBORO — Bent Glass Design’s custom glass factories here operate two furnaces that release 500,000 BTUs each hour of wasted heat — the equivalent of around four gallons of gasoline an hour.
Which makes Bent Glass the perfect guinea pig for a new device, called the Waste Heat Engine, or WHE, that captures lost heat and converts it to electricity.
Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. of Pompano Beach, Fla., designed the engine and is preparing to install it in Hatboro in April.
Bent Glass expects the briefcase-size engine to generate 10 kilowatts of electricity per hour from one furnace, enough to power the lights and air conditioning units for its 65,000-square-foot facility.
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KatmasterM, You are correct, they all should be paid. My question was where is the money coming from?
Info from annual report:
Total operating expenses for CYPW in 2007 was $1,562,514.00.
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now invest, Did you buy any stock today? LOL
now invest, Do you seriously think Harry (CYPW) has full time employees that don't need money to pay their mortgage or buy food or gas or money to pay their electric bill, health care, etc? Do you seriously think Harry has found Multimillionaires to work for the promise of being paid in the future and can live without money for their daily needs?
The real money to keep the doors open comes from selling PPO's. Harry the salesman knows this and he sells the PPO's whenever he can. You will see how much money was spent when the 2008 annual report comes out in a few weeks.
You think my statements are misleading, but you think showing mock-ups of products that don't exist is just fine. Ask yourself why you don't even see a test lawnmower or a car running on a Cyclone engine.
Info from annual report:
Total operating expenses for CYPW in 2007 was $1,562,514.00. I hope someone had a "PAYMENT IN CASH".(LOL)
Correction to my previous post:
Minimum space requirement for the 10K Cyclone Solar System would be approx. 2000 sq/ft, not 200 sq/ft as written. It makes a BIG difference.