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Where? LOL It sure isn't from any Tejones (Gouger and son) wells and it sure isn't any ticker change from the 5 months of exclaiming it. And so what if there is ticker change, that's much to do about nothing.
That's a big problem here. We have it right along with doubling of the AS and a exaggerated pps by paid or unpaid promotional tactics followed by the inevitable down-slide. Of course the negative knife falling will be attempted to be blamed on imaginary "shorts" and "manipulation" instead of the reality that it is the company and the workings and promotion of the over exaggeration of AQLV pps.
Does anyone know if the Big Apple is still involved here. I know they try to keep "out of site" lately due to all the problems they are having. Doesn't mean BA is not still involved and the fact that they have been involved is a good notation and something to be cautious of.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64849669
Maybe a lot more than BNPD can or will ever do. Sometimes there is just a limit to bs that a company can PR. Yes, it is still BNPD and only small whispers of a dying stock with frantic fluff and effort isn't changing that.
Maybe the IRPs and followers can come in and have every post with "ticker change" and "oil gushers from marginal or stripper wells" bs again. Gouger will have to give over some more shares for sale for that though I think. That kind of promotion is getting more and more of an evil eye from both the authorities and retail. I believe that type of BNPD promotion will not have the effect it once did on this stock even if they do come back and start sucker punching again prospective peeps.
First let me apologize for my typo, I didn't mean to upset you so much and by no means should anyone take it as reason to buy or sell CRWV. I was reading another board on the very subject at the time, was laughing about the common error, and I accidently allowed my "looser" typing mode to get the best of me. Oh well, I'll take the kick in the pants, laugh at myself, and move on. Like I said, I apologize for upsetting and getting anyone excited, and hope you get over it. I definitely could point out more typing errors going back and looking at your posts, but I'll stick with the subject at hand which is CRWV and no matter how one spells it, the detrimental issues of CRWV are not going away.
But to the point of reasoning on the validity of CRWV, they are showing way too many signs and indications of fraudulent activity and definitely fit with all the descriptions of what a PUMP and DUMP is. In the country of stocks, especially penny land, it is up to the company to validate and prove they are not guilty and that their over rated, exaggerated statements are indeed true. It is up to the public to question them and look at all the dubious activity that they are doing.
We arrest and hold people in this country and then have a trial in order for the arrested to prove their innocence. There is "persons of interest" that get followed, questioned, and then proven with guilt or innocence. That is the same here, CRWV is a "company of interest" and just giving ones money to them is not a good investment strategy.
You bring up OTCMarkets and the lack of any "conviction" that CRWV has. Another philosophical mistake is to just say "because they haven't been convicted, they are a good investment and not a fraud". Trying to use that for defense that they are not IN FACT a PUMP and DUMP is quite a folly and irresponsible.
One might want to research into the statistical numbers of the amount of scams and fraudulent activity with stocks like what CRWV is portraying. The regulatory authorities are minimal in resources to catch and “convict” the amount of PUMP & DUMP fraud that is going on. They are working on it, and the numbers of convictions are on the rise, but a long way to go in order to even use “CRWV has not been convicted yet” line of defense.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=10447
As far as the OTCMarkets are concerned, what a joke. That’s one of the biggest problems of real transparency in the penny market and they are only listing what the company wants one to hear.
Yes, it has also been posted on communication with the geologist and statements have been made that the geologist has not been over to the site yet. But thats about all one has with this turkey, opinion that they are even working the site, the outlandish claims by the company are even remotely true, the doctored and copied erroneous financial statements are worth more than the paper they are written on, and just hoping upon hope that this whole thing isn't just another fraud (which in all observations, points to that it is).
Who knows, maybe CRWV finally got the geologist to go over and kick some dirt around so that they could say that he's been over there and any over rated smelting results are not just another play for the "hope strings" being plucked.
"Burton was Pawson's handpicked 'turn around expert' and he left all these legalities and loose ends when he supposedly dumped this stinker?"
Burton was basically deemed "imaginary" and just another false name and the only connection anyone had with him was the promoter, who constantly edited and deleted his supposed and questionable communication with him. The "turn around" part might be correct though. It's what Pawson and/or the promoter did TO shareholders, not for.
Last we heard here is that the supposed "full time" CRWV geologist hadn't even been over there with any "shovel or rake" or even a spoon.
Up to the company, .... and waiting for tranparency
I'll agree with that part.
One really has to do the numbers and look at the overwhelming risk to reward factor on a sub-penny stock like AQLV and the amount of shares one has to find to short (which isn't that easy). One finds very little shorting of penny stocks under a dollar, for good reason. It's very limited profit for the amount of money one has to put up to do it per share, along with the work one has to do to find all the shares needed for any amount of money.
Much easier to just go to Options and play with pennies and without all the hassle, amount of funds required, or as much risk. Shorting low volume otc like AQLV is just a fools game at best, why it is hardly done.
The problems and issues with the otc markets are the way they are right now due to all the scammy and promoted stocks and the fraudulent activity going on by company insiders and promoters.
Actually given the caution and question to AQLV's claims and the factor of "sell on the news", "more information" may just make "all systems go" for more general decline in pps.
Fundamentally? Again the focus now has changed to the "magic water" and the company AQLV instead of IFRS, so there is a whole new set of factors that have emerged and trying to use "old" data (meaning the long term chart and previous trading patterns) are quite risky. The downtrend still hasn't turned, a few paints here and there only mess with the techs (why so many say charts aren't good with penny's). The low volume makes it sketchy at best.
It definitely isn't "all systems go".
There is no short position that can even effect the trading here. Just ludicrous for that belief. Whenever the pps doesn't go positive, the blame goes on the shorts. It's amazing the amount of belief that the "shorts" are taking a sub-penny stock like AQLV down, with having to come up with $2.50 a share, find the shares to the amount that is needed, and with a low volume .00x stock. The numbers just don't show that and one big red flag that the notion is even tried to be used.
The wait goes on for the elusive "short squeeze" and the kryptonite for the super powers of shorts. LOL
the next logical step is higher prices
It was a pretty good downtrend, definitely still might not be over. Logical to see the risk that the pps may just go flat with low volume, very common with these type of things. Or may do a little EOD paints for the "green" feeling and skewing the data points in the techs and then continue down. Thats common also.
The company focus has changed over the last 3 months when ticker went over to AQLV, it's been all about the "magic water" now.
I know there was a couple of pennydot.coms involved, but there is so many that I get in my junk box for pinks, I delete them out. We know they never get paid or at least the amount of times a penny.coms are promoting, there isn't the same amount of discloser's. Maybe I should change that to "free" promotions. LOL If I remember, wasn't PennyStockHaven one of them?
I feel for the "longs" that were adding to their positions when the pps was 2-3 hundred percent higher. Upside down is no fun I'm sure.
They doubled the AS for some reason, a paid promoter and pump crew came in and created the last run and of course the subsequent downtrend to where we are now. Of course that is nothing uncommon in penny stocks.
I rest my case, you definitely proved my point and concurred with it. Great "investment" in this PUMP AND DUMP, you bet. Good luck with that. That rope just keeps getting tighter. ROFL
That should be a bumper sticker or maybe a t-shirt. LOL
It was very unclear to me that you were "well aware of the term" (clarity seems to be an issue still) and just thought I would post some factual descriptions of it, its good for any prospective CRWV "investors".
Also in bold and underlined was descriptive notations of "morality". And I'm sure many can be appreciative of the "moral problems" CRWV has exposed when looking at reasons to not invest or loose even more in this stock.
And the fact that this P&D has all the other facts that make it a very, very high risk and the ability to profit is minimal if any at all. Of course, most that have any experience at all in stock trading know this already and why there is no action increasing the pps back in the direction of the original pump and it sits here at the end of the dump waiting for the inevitable process to complete.
The FACT that my statement is indeed a documented FACT. CRWV was a P&D. There is no responsible or intelligent argument for that, it just is what it is. The chart of CRWV is in FACT almost identical to 99.99% of all other P&D's. I didn't make the chart, CRWV price action did.
The statistics to P&D's are FACT, already supported and already established. Now one can have an opinion that CRWV will be that .01% that can beat the overwhelming odds and statistics, that's their choice. Doesn't matter, it will still take a majority or at least a substantial amount of money to make that opinion correct. My opinion that the statistics and odds will win and this indeed will just end up as 99.99% of all other P&D's do.
I didn't make the FACTS, CRWV chose to be part of them. I only stated the obvious. Think whatever about this particular virtual office, but down here in penny-land, they don't have such rosy statistics either, and way too many times just one more flag out of the big POS flag pile of CRWV.
Of course it's all about the $$. That is the stock market and stating the obvious. The DTCC's "financial responsibility" is for their business they are in and involves choosing who to do business with or what they charge for that service to make profit. Thats is what our whole society is based upon.
Maybe they should put out a little sign saying "we reserve the right to refuse anyone".
It's just the cold facts that the whole cannot be comprised for just a few, "you can't please everyone all the time", and that there will be a few that may not deserve to go by the wayside. I don't see any possible situation that any system can be 100%, but as long as it succeeds for 90%, and continuing effort to improve, thats acceptable.
War on fraud is fought with the fact that it will be killing a few in "collateral damage". I guess it will just have to be put into that category. May not like it, there will be flaws and always needing improvement, but it has to be. Our financial worth and this pink paradise for crooks and thieves cannot go on the way it is, and drastic measures must be implemented.
I probably should have made myself more clear and didn't really mean to get into all the technical aspects in that particular post, nor do I consider myself to be an expert, I'm sure there are others that would be better than I to explain some of that.
My focus was merely that it is given by higher up and created by other regulatory entities; they only implement it or use it within their business. But as the whole security market system, it is under guidance by others who actually hold the power. There are many regulatory "powers" that are included within the whole system given to brokers, TA's, etc but still it is restrained by rules made up from higher authorities.
The DTCC may have input into making those rules, as well as the brokers, companies, etc, but still they are just doing normal business practices. I don't believe that they can just bypass congress, the SEC, or whoever and just give themselves "Regulatory Powers". They are only following the structure that is given to them to work with. The point was that they have a financial responsibility in normal business practices to chill a stock for purposes of good business, not so much as any regulatory entity.
Main office???? Its a virtual number that gets forwarded. What a joke. For anyone knows, they could be talking to someones wife or housekeeper in the bedroom or on a shopping spree. Obvious even the child. LOL Can get the service for $30 a month. The only address they give is a phony one and non existent. The FACT that this is a documented pump and dump and is acceptable to all the detrimental consequences to that and statistical nature of it and at great risk of loosing 98%+ of anyones investment into it.
News??? Calm before the storm? How classic. There not enough belief in the company anymore to take enough of their fluff to get any real traction in the stock. The low trading volume and flatness to the charts are indicative to a old P&D and a direction of more negative reaction. One can look at it how ever they want, but still not going to change what is obvious to the majority.
Sometimes people forget what the DTCC is and the fact that they are a business that only provides a service and in business to make profit for that service. They actually do that service quite well. Their function is not to oversee the broker, the company that issues shares, the investor, the TA, etc, their function is to apply a service for means of recording and documenting and allowing a place for securities for a buyer to a seller or vise versa.
They don't issue shares, they don't have regulatory power over the broker or a company, or in charge of teaching the investor how to trade. DTCC provides a service for that system of the marketplace to work and like any other business, they need to make a profit for that service. It is good business to cut a service to anything that does not create enough profit to cover the expense and risks. That is the only reason that they need to have.
If a bs pink is creating to much expense and risk, it is financially responsible for the DTCC to cut them out of the service. What any investor might want to look at is the fact that the DTCC found that a particular company was a big risk and not buy that company or sell it quick. At that point, who cares what in specifically the risks were, but just the fact that now that investment is at such a great risk that it is unfeasible to look to it as a profitable investment or trade.
It might be nice for the DTCC to list all the reasons for that risk, but they are not in any way required to do so. That is not their service and not their business and is for other entities to pick up that responsibility.
This is a good chart by the DTCC and simplifies a process and their service. The link for the pdf included is some good basic information and one view to what actually they are doing and the service that that they provide.
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/about/Broker_to_Broker_Trade.pdf
There is validity in that the large pharmaceutical industry has to much financial interest and control over the health institutions and industry. We live in a capitalistic society where big corp or money sometimes reigns over areas where they shouldn't or at least do it in a more responsible manner. But that of course is another subject.
But the fact that "alternative methods" and the alternative drug industry is also a big problem. There are many dangerous beliefs in "alternatives" that create more danger than they solve any problem. Out pops quackery and non proven methods, irresponsible and misleading products that take away from any good portion of the legal and proven beneficial pharmaceuticals, reducing overall quality of life.
The system of structure for treatments may need improvement, but they are there and the best we have and better than ignoring them. AQLV is public company, with needing "investors" to believe that their product is what they say it is and for profit. AQLV is choosing not to be listed as a non-profit organization and no matter what kind of "goody feeling" or some sort of "saving grace" attitude they or anybody else wants to portray about AQLV, it is not donations they are asking for. They are wanting one to buy their stock for purpose of profit.
AQLV is choosing to be part of the "treatment for profit" world and choosing a path that there are requirements and structure for that. They need to prove their product's viability by that structure whether or not that structure has it's faults and needing improvement.
This is exactly the type of statements that bring the lack of understanding that people have for the disease or it's treatments to forefront. The simplistic erroneous views of what HIV is, how it continues, the time it can lay dormant, exactly what is being treated, and how that treatment can be measured (to name a few), is exasperated by irresponsible promoting of improper products. Those things are part of the HIV problem.
More self educating is needed in this area. The misinformation and mistaken beliefs are a subject for awareness that many should probably do some additional research, especially if they are going to promote some AQLV treated water.
"Since those kenyans felt better after taking the AQLV treated water, and consequently stopped their costly and painful drugs against their doctors recommendations, none of them have died from it."
"I thought the OTC was a little light on wanting more transparency. At times it seemed he wanted to avoid certain aspects because of fear of losing more volume and money flowing into the OTC. I also expected him to pitch the OTCQB a little more than he did, it was merely a "suggestion" based upon numbers of participants as opposed to a standard that should be adopted overall."
A "little light" is putting it very mildly. I got the impression that in the midst of all the seriousness of other speakers, he was about ready to try to sell a car. Nothing really came up that while his "sales pitch" was exclaiming a place for reporting by companies, that by no means was it any security for any accuracy or even being very current with the information. Sure there is some time criteria before any company gets put into a lower category of the pink, but it doesn't even come close to a viable solution and a reasonable place to believe a companies listing.
There's no criteria for the company to be giving actual current information or even correct information. It basically is just a listing service for whatever the company chooses to list.
How many times one looked at BEHL's info and had it lacking of any current snapshot of the company? An easier count would be how many times it was accurate? BEHL always waited to update the share structure only about a couple of weeks before they raised it again, making it again very misleading.
Admittedly, there might be some companies that are better at giving the correct information about their company, but the fact there is really no structure to confirm that, there too many like BEHL to pick any accurate ones out. This leaves investors unable to use the very tools the otc was trying to sell.
Also as you stated the OTCQB wasn't part of inventory trying to be sold.
Maybe Gouger stiffed the IRP and neglected to pay him. LOL Maybe some the stock given for services had a six month restraint which would put it about now to try to get something for them in a illiquid stock. Never know how these slimy stock deals will work out these days, but I'm sure there were few bucks made by the BNPD promoter.
Those were the days where BNPD's "awareness program" was 90% of the topic here and the BNPD believers or followers were snookered into buying this thing with visions of ticker change and oil gushers. Neither of course would ever come true. Maybe some real "awareness" now though.
AQLV is the only one to prove themselves. They are the public company, taking public money or financing, based upon their making claims with their product. Proving themselves to the public that is questioning AQLV validity and those questions are the topic. The questioning public is not the ones who have to prove themselves.
The fact that the publics questions being answered sufficiently by AQLV with documented and recognized authority, and not by just the company merely stating "because we said so" or some type of "info commercial" tactics, are a intricate part of that validity.
It's one thing to have some fancy filtrated water to put with the rest of the competition, and state we believe ours is healthier than theirs. Then one can look at things like sales, expense and income, how well the product might sell or is selling, or how well it competes or might compete with all the other "healthy" filtered and flavored water.
Quite another thing to say that it is a treatment or "may be a key to a cure" for a serious killing disease such as HIV. Actually using it or intending to use it in that capacity shouldn't be taken lightly. That brings up a much higher level of scrutiny and a much higher level and standard of proof needed from AQLV.
Any proof needed from the questioning public is already self evident -- they are there.
I was just talking what your defining of "time" is, not strength. There has been days that haven't been "strong" but yet still part of the downtrend "time".
At this point we could have a 1-3 day "strong green" so to speak and it not change the "strength" of the overall downward trend. Making even more "time" added to this current trend.
Like I said, just curious trying to get to the definition of AQLV "fireworks" and interpretations of "trend". LOL.
How is "uptrend" being defined? 1-3 day normal otc bs or a couple of weeks like the downtrend we are in and have not at this point changed direction.
Exactly, there was no buying and no liquidity. Not a good thing. The reason the SEC is enacting new rules on the problem of transparancy about it and sends out memos to the public about the greater risks of when a sub-penny stock is not trading and hasn't any volume.
For examples;
"Another risk that pertains to microcap stocks involves the low volumes of trades."
http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/microcapstock.htm
And stock market in general;
www.sec.gov/rules/interp/2010/33-9144.pdf[tag]Commission Guidance on Presentation of Liquidity and Capital Resources Disclosures
in Management’s Discussion and Analysis[/tag]
All one has to do if they really don't realize the basics is to just start using some time and google and they will get a whole array of education reasonably quickly.
"Definition: Liquidity refers to how quickly and cheaply an asset can be converted into cash. Money (in the form of cash) is the most liquid asset. Assets that generally can only be sold after a long exhaustive search for a buyer are known as illiquid."
Interesting, but why all the interest in AQLV all of a sudden and after a huge bout of selling?
There is very little interest today, why there was minimal trading and nothing to answer. Why the liquidity problem was brought up.
Also it isn't determined the selling is over in the bigger picture (longer than today).
Unless the question was a personal nature, which shouldn't be an issue.
No problem, opinion still can't change the basic facts.
You need volume to get to the bottom line. Increase in pps and ability to get a better price than what you paid for and someone to sell them to. That doesn't matter what time frame, the issue still applies.
One of the biggest problems the "half full or half empty" version is that it falls into the "getting a half a loaf" theory as the company may fail to enlist the liquidity needed for the long or short term profitable trade.
Bankruptcies are chalked full of "half full, half empty" versions of theory. They simply did not get enough or the glass was just half full and not enough to sustain their existence or create any good investment vehicle.
No buyers is a bigger negative. The issue is really liquidity. Not so good here. Again it is a public company, it gets finance from the public (the open market). If AQLV has no market, it will only create financing harder to get and to accept a lower price and needing more shares sold for the amount of finance that is being requested. That becomes a greater risk for a "death spiral".
Any concern for reporting inappropriate, unauthorized, and unapproved company actions fall upon the public as a whole. Whether anyone feels if any certain person of the public has done any "reporting" or not, they have every opportunity to search out and report for themselves. One can easily Google or even look in their local phonebook to get started. For the most part, all proper authorities are publicly listed. The more involved in reporting any serious issues that AQLV has put themselves in, the better.
Browbeating one particular person that questions a public company such as AQLV with valid scrutiny will not be the path that’s needed and required when investing or trading AQLV. It can easily be accepted that there is not just one person scrutinizing or reporting, guaranteed. Nor will going after any one public (person) be the path for concern of the very serious nature of HIV.
AQLV is the public company and they are the ones who are asking for money from the public and publicly making claims. It is up to the public to scrutinize and up to the company to validate. In other words it is up to AQLV to prove, not any public to disprove. The public has a responsibility to question and to apply intelligent thought and common sense, along with reporting and finding the authorities to do so. Not go after anyone who chooses to apply those responsibilities.
Any concern should actually be for the company, because they are treading in an arena that may be detrimental to the company’s well being and unless they adhere to proper, legal, moral, authorized, and approved protocols, AQLV will find themselves in a hornets’ nest that isn't even posting on some board.
Sounds like more awareness and educating is needed. Here's a good start. A lot of direct issues relating to a stock such as AQLV including comments on the fraud and problems arising from the sale of the "next new thing" for treatment of diseases.
http://www.sec.gov/news/otherwebcasts/2011/microcaproundtable101711.shtml
http://www.sec.gov/news/otherwebcasts/2011/microcaproundtable101711_low.shtml
Also here is the home page link for contact information, etc.
http://www.pharmacyboardkenya.org/
Criteria for clinical trials in Kenya
http://www.pharmacyboardkenya.org/assets/files/Clinical_Trial_Guidelines04_03_2011.pdf
AQLV should have no problems involving themselves with these people if in fact what they are trying to impress upon the public is valid. In fact, communication might be encouraged by anyone with this group about AQLV, the company and/or it's product or just means to research the subject matter. At any rate, the web site is quite informative and worth a look around.
http://www.iavi.org/working-with-communities/country-programs/Pages/kenya.aspx