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Well that just sounds like all the rest of the promoting info commercials and says absolutely nothing of any substance. So in fact it is only claims from a public sub-penny company that wants people to buy their shares and using snake oil sales tactics for promotion of product. As an Herbal and Complementary (alternative) product filing, there is really nothing compared to real clinical trials. As an alternative it's really just another filtered water bottle that needs creative labeling, sales figures, and put into all the other competition on the shelf.
http://www.pharmacyboardkenya.org/assets/files/HERBAL_GUILDLINE.pdf
http://www.pharmacyboardkenya.org/assets/files/Clinical_Trial_Guidelines04_03_2011.pdf
AQLV doesn’t need to go to Kenya and “treat” HIV patients for just some “specially” bottled water. Plenty of market shelves here in the US. But we're hearing about two different things, statements about "clinical trials" and filing as "alternative" or Herbal and complementary products with other herbs, vitamins, “magic water”, etc. Actual “treatment for HIV”, “may be key to cure”, and being cause for Kenyans to stop valid HIV treatment type statements.
No validation from any recognizable authority on the subject, no medical journals, no acceptance from the scientific or recognized media outlets. No working with the one, if not the biggest, organizations over in Kenya with all their money, knowledge, and ability to actually put out something valid (if in fact it is valid), alternative or not.
http://www.iavi.org/working-with-communities/country-programs/Pages/kenya.aspx
Just nothing but similarities of snake oil ads.
"None of which alters the fact that AQLV's absurd and ridiculous claims for its "programmed water" marks Craig Hoffman out as a snake oil salesman of the worst sort."
Yes, snake oil sales. That has been done for ever and the AQLV claims are the same as the snake oil advertisements of almost hundred years ago. Case in point, AQLV's claims sound quite similar to this 1927 ad. The words may change but AQLV's concept and how they use the thought processes of the current population does not. All the cut and pasting and discussion of what water is or what certain elements, chemicals, etc, etc are is not going to get away from that projection.
Specifically on topic of the company and comparisons;
AQLV's reference to scientific value (where there isn't a connection, but only to make the public believe that there might be).
AQLV's reference to "alternative methods" from the regular doctor prescribed methods.
AQLV's reference to "only wanting to do good, at little or no profit".
AQLV's reference to "trials" and positive results from those so called "trials".
All these things and others are the same and typical of all the snake oil sales past such as this one, and the ones we see today.
On topic as what the company is now doing and a very serious issue when claiming treatment or positive results of incurable diseases.
From 1927 ad:
Quote:
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The Fine Print: Consult us about your trouble, no matter what it is. Hearing people is our business. We study we work we think could find the way to accomplish a cure. We devoted years to this task before our methods were perfected to produce results that satisfied us. Now we are satisfied because our labor and study have succeeded. We are satisfied because we can cure your disease quicker, we can do it better and because we can satisfy you better than anyone. Our aim is not what fee we can get but how many can we cure. We cure them all. Hundreds of people here in Salt Lake City can testify to this fact. Scores of patients whose cases were considered hopeless by themselves and by other doctors have found through our hands a quick permanent complete cure in robust health. This is not an advertising lie. It is a fact. Are you diseased and sick? Is your blood tainted with poison? Are you weak and your powers failing? What of it? Don't give up. Don't lose your hope and courage. We can help you. Will you come to us and let us cure you RIGHT AWAY, or do you prefer to keep your disease, or to engage some doctor who theme will be to keep you under treatment for months.
Never mind fee, come anyway and be cured. We want everyone in the country who is afflicted to write us about his ailment.
Pretty Bold Claims - This was typical of all the old snake oil and cure all claims of the day.
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www.oldnewsads.com/Snake-Oil-ads.html
Besides the company statements, where would a link be or any documentation to confirmation of that "working with" or what that "working" is entailing.
Many times companies, CEO's, PR's, etc state lots of things where in reality they may or do not ever come true or can be substantiated.
Only problem, they haven't completed or finished the step yet. Should finish this "phase" before the next one is started.
Maybe that's why they skipped a quarter. Like I said though, maybe it will be there later. But why other than to file periodically.
Being a "real company" technically has not been the issue here, properly registering with all the required entities may be. I wonder if they are going to get the rest of the statements and if they are going to get some attorney's statement. Shouldn't really be that hard, but maybe they haven't finished downloading.
But then again, Gouger isn't known for his timely and complete reporting standards. He's always late and getting slapped for the lateness and improper paperwork. The Stop Sign is the otc way, Texas has theirs.
Old ticker BEHL is still the ticker BEHL now. All it is is a toxic shell. The company as an algae production of the past is no longer of course. That is "old". But the ticker and shell is still the ticker and BEHL and comes with all the documented debt, and FACTS that go with the shell.
Now one can have an "opinion" that this or that business or company will come in and eventually buy the shell and somehow take care of all the debt and baggage that the factual shell has. PR's or "news" do not make reality or fact by themselves, documents and filings do (all of BEHL's "news" or PR's have in fact turned out to be false).
And you are correct, there are no facts associated with that there is any company associated with the ticker. In fact, the record at the state in which they are listed in lists them as no business or company.
So there can be no assumptions of "where the company is now" due to there is no company, but only a ticker symbol that is at NO BID and illiquid. And that is another description of a "dead" ticker. But it's just a ticker and four letters BEHL.
My opinion would be that the only way to come in and financially take care of the ticker in order for some other business or company to come in is by means of the statistical odds and do a reverse split, incur some more toxic financing and completely decimate any shareholder's equity given there is any left at all anyway.
The factual numbers do not really allow for anything else unless someone wants to just give money away for no profit and just pay all the toxic debt and take on all the negative that comes with the BEHL shell. Goes beyond common sense and only in pipe dreams. Why it may take a very long time and runs the risk of the ticker being thrown out. It's already on the DTCC list and will become on more brokers. It is my opinion that this ticker will never come back to life, we'll see if that becomes a fact just like past opinions of BEHL.
There might be other issues at hand though. The fact that a founder of that board has admitted to owning a good amount of shares and the promoter has also admitted to owning many shares of BEHL. The fact is that there is admittance to direct connection and communication between the board operators and the promoter and the promoter has supposedly been the only one in direct communication with the company other than when that owners of that board were in direct communication with BEHL as a company.
I'm sure they would argue stating they know the law and put up some sort of fancy disclaimer to the theory and run off at the mouth trying to make it look like they know all about BEHL legal standpoints now, but legally there could be a case of fraud and have improper or illegal promotional aspects to it.
Just recently cases of promoters being prosecuted.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68074952
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68075467
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68075585
The site as a whole may not be culpable, but individual illegal BEHL promotional aspects are up for grabs.
My "claims" are that the info commercials and promotions of AQLV have complete similarities to "snake oil" sales. I am not missing the point at all, I fully understand the position one is taking. But my "claims" are very well substantiated.
Also there is no proper validation to any of AQLV's claims on their product and no responsible validation is being done.
No it wasn't. You may want to read more and stop ignoring the facts that were of issue and stated in my post. Again, pasting and posting references is only making it worse and proving the point. Trying to take attention off the obviousness of similarities to just "snake oil" sales will not be sufficient for most that are astute and intelligent enough to see right through the AQLV info-commercials and promoting.
Maybe if anything should be being done is attention to the HIV problem and ignorance. Pasting and posting from factual data about the disease may be a better use of time and MB and having more to do with AQLV claims than wasting it on just pasting and posting reference to elements of sales pitches of "alternative" methods that are misrepresented on a constant basis.
If AQLV promotion is going to be about treatment to HIV, then I would suggest all this yadda, yadda chem 101 class be directed to learning about the facts of HIV, its social misconceptions, what actually is a treatment and why, biological makeup, and many other things of substance.
At least then, AQLV promoting can have an indirect positive success. Probably won't help the promotion due to real connected scientific data will be known, but at least it will be more responsible and ethical.
Yes, you will find BEHL "opinion" on both and they do differ in focus. But it still doesn't elude from the FACT that there is more actual BEHL FACTS listed on this board and the allowance for the opposite "opinion" is much greater than the "other board".
Along with now the statistical data becoming documented history, general "opinion" over here has become way more accurate and correct than the general "opinion" over there. That is also FACT and indisputable. There are proper TOU's applied here that are non-existent "over there". These things are a matter of record.
No it wasn't. You may want to read more and stop ignoring the facts that were of issue and stated in my post. Again, pasting and posting references is only making it worse and proving the point. Trying to take attention off the obviousness of similarities to just "snake oil" sales will not be sufficient for most that are astute and intelligent enough to see right through the AQLV info-commercials and promoting.
Maybe if anything should be being done is attention to the HIV problem and ignorance. Pasting and posting from factual data about the disease may be a better use of time and MB and having more to do with AQLV claims than wasting it on just pasting and posting reference to elements of sales pitches of "alternative" methods that are misrepresented on a constant basis.
If AQLV promotion is going to be about treatment to HIV, then I would suggest all this yadda, yadda chem 101 class be directed to learning about the facts of HIV, its social misconceptions, what actually is a treatment and why, biological makeup, and many other things of substance.
At least then, AQLV promoting can have an indirect positive success. Probably won't help the promotion due to real connected scientific data will be known, but at least it will be more responsible and ethical.
"We all can read the financials of BNPD posted on otcmarkets.com"
No we cannot. That is what the STOP SIGN means. There is the lack of accurate or current information and not available "to read" proper transparency. What is there, is out dated and unaudited with out even a attorney's letter to back them up. What's up with that, it's quite easy to get some low end attorney to write up a letter with these penny's. Given the ease of ability to find an attorney to back up any POS pink it's quite curious why there isn't one for BNPD.
Also for the BNPD shareholders it is BNPD's finances that are of issue. When they are not disclosed, then it goes into the category of "not there".
That is simply not true and false about things being the "same". Yes there is a lot of improper promotional aspects to the stock boards and yes more improvement is needed in more balance for the Penny market boards in general. There are many instances of that improvement forming overall though here at IHUB and hopefully that can continue and grow. Won't be so positive for scammy stock and it's promoters like BEHL though. But it will create a better investment and trading environment overall and allow the BEHL public to make more informed decisions.
There are TOU's here that are applied and both sides do get on this board (with many improvement needed overall on the other MBs), but that does not happen at other places. The "other place" when FACTS get presented and FACTUAL challenging that is negative or the proven documented truth gets posted on the "other board" it gets deleted and not allowed due to that it doesn't support BEHL in a positive manner.
Here, BEHL topic statements have a short limit in time for editing and then they become matter of record. Not true at all at the "other place". Those are edited and deleted for ever and that boards "history" is re-written over and over for the benefit of the promoter and promotional site.
There is too many FACTS now about BEHL and has been documented. Much of "opinion" about BEHL from many on this board has now been made part of history and is now FACT and confirming that the "opinion" was correct and accurate. On the "other board" for the most part, "opinion" has become inaccurate and proven wrong.
I'm assuming that when the word "dead" is used that it means the stock has become illiquid. Then in FACT it is "dead" and documented and the description of NO BID comes in play.
There are many things about BEHL that are FACT due to that something is not true unless it is documented. The lack of documentation of many things in fact can be BEHL FACT when dealing with the financial stock market structure and system.
One may have the opinion of why something became a fact or has chosen to ignore certain FACTS in order to place them with hope. But there are many FACTS allowed on this BEHL board where in "other places" are not. That is not "the same".
"None of which alters the fact that AQLV's absurd and ridiculous claims for its "programmed water" marks Craig Hoffman out as a snake oil salesman of the worst sort."
Yes, snake oil sales. That has been done for ever and the AQLV claims are the same as the snake oil advertisements of almost hundred years ago. Case in point, AQLV's claims sound quite similar to this 1927 ad. The words may change but AQLV's concept and how they use the thought processes of the current population does not. All the cut and pasting and discussion of what water is or what certain elements, chemicals, etc, etc are is not going to get away from that projection.
Specifically on topic of the company and comparisons;
AQLV's reference to scientific value (where there isn't a connection, but only to make the public believe that there might be).
AQLV's reference to "alternative methods" from the regular doctor prescribed methods.
AQLV's reference to "only wanting to do good, at little or no profit".
AQLV's reference to "trials" and positive results from those so called "trials".
All these things and others are the same and typical of all the snake oil sales past such as this one, and the ones we see today.
On topic as what the company is now doing and a very serious issue when claiming treatment or positive results of incurable diseases.
From 1927 ad:
The Fine Print: Consult us about your trouble, no matter what it is. Hearing people is our business. We study we work we think could find the way to accomplish a cure. We devoted years to this task before our methods were perfected to produce results that satisfied us. Now we are satisfied because our labor and study have succeeded. We are satisfied because we can cure your disease quicker, we can do it better and because we can satisfy you better than anyone. Our aim is not what fee we can get but how many can we cure. We cure them all. Hundreds of people here in Salt Lake City can testify to this fact. Scores of patients whose cases were considered hopeless by themselves and by other doctors have found through our hands a quick permanent complete cure in robust health. This is not an advertising lie. It is a fact. Are you diseased and sick? Is your blood tainted with poison? Are you weak and your powers failing? What of it? Don't give up. Don't lose your hope and courage. We can help you. Will you come to us and let us cure you RIGHT AWAY, or do you prefer to keep your disease, or to engage some doctor who theme will be to keep you under treatment for months.
Never mind fee, come anyway and be cured. We want everyone in the country who is afflicted to write us about his ailment.
Pretty Bold Claims - This was typical of all the old snake oil and cure all claims of the day.
Well, why don't you do that and scan and post them on the board. Actually I already know they aren't favorable for retail. I also can read easily the records at the state of Texas. That's enough to know what Gouger's game is. It's up to the company to be transparent and who are we kidding, Nevada is famous and one of worst states for transparency. Why Gouger and BNPD is current there and not current in their own state of Texas where they are supposedly doing business.
Wait a minute, they don't need to be with continuing to have that flat tire with their oil rig on MXXH, just one of several companies Gouger has and is messing with shareholders.
What gets more transparent? You have to be kidding, right. How about not letting a STOP SIGN hide current or accurate information and easily get the correct and accurate information there.
How about BNPD stating the truth about their phony PR's? Trying to sneak some low or no producing stripper wells that they have already been working and pass them off as some sort of high producing capable wells that they are purchasing from themselves and giving investor monies from BNPD to there own company and family. What a business from one hand to the other and now they are setting up the next hand in the shell game.
Indicating "in the following days" for a ticker change and then nearly 6 months later, no filings. Thats being real transparent, you bet.
We could go on all day and night on "how it could get more transparent". Since BNPD isn't hardly "transparent" at all or at least they are trying hard not to be. Of course what BNPD has become is quite transparent to many now, why it's practically a illiquid stock and the trading gets didly on more "news".
"It doesn't get more transparent than that" You're right, thats the big problem with BNPD and Gouger. Not very transparent at all. Geesh.
Not true at all. There definitely has been a relationship established, the unknown is if they are still or how they passed the baton on and what kind of associations have emerged through the transfer.
"No we cannot. There is nothing relating AQLV to BA"
The problem is definitely a question. Given the "bad apple" label has been stuck on BA and all it's litigations recently and the fact practically every stock that they have been involved in has got some pretty bad odds to it. Just merely discarding the possibility they aren't still involved in some way believing in some promotional AQLV tactic, would be quite risky.
With the stigma and proven criminal activity of Big Apple, I would suspect that they would try to pass off "involvement" to their associates and/or mazes of detail. I believe that they would try their hardest to not show any clear connection and try to bury it in the most complicated way they could find. Probably one of reasons AQLV ticker changed from IRFS, just another way to change focus.
One of the reasons I brought it up was due to some of the promotional aspects that are the same as some of Big Apple's other involvements. So I would look for clear establishment of any fact that they are not, instead of looking for clarity of that they are.
I guess it goes to the yes, no, maybe check-box. There is a definite maybe and really the inability to realistically checking the no for sure.
The very fact it is documented to be in the past, is very reason for concern. It is most common down in penny land that past criminal associations just connect to dubious future associations in some form or another.
I'm not saying they are, but I sure am not going to be irresponsible and just simply say they aren't for reason only to promote the stock.
Join the crowd, maybe more review should be done.
Yes, I validated there was a lack of understanding of the information given. Thanks for agreeing with me. Maybe next time when there is a academically scientific post given, more research and time could be given to understand what is posted and any connection to AQLV.
Well I'm glad it's agreed. There seemed to be an argument what the basic "elements" were of pure water and a lack of understanding of the scientific reference that was given as a AQLV post.
One better go study up on exactly what your post is describing. There is a different between molecular structure, atomic nature and the meaning of a periodic element. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen.
Well it would probably be an accounting nightmare to actually compare numbers. Much of the fraud in the penny market isn't even recognized by many and is non-documented, including money into foreign interests and off shore accounts. Also there would have to be put into equation many other factors of comparing economic and employment numbers, etc, etc. But my statement of "one little guy making it into millions" is quite correct and documented many times. The other debate would become quite subjective and too hard to just honestly say "it simply isn't true".
But I think that we all can agree that the amount of fraud within the penny market is getting quite overwhelming and getting into enough for considerable amount of years. When any fraud gets into a billion dollar industry, it's a friggin big problem and needs to be dealt with any way possible. We as a society can't just whine about that it isn't fair and not go after any one billion dollars just because it more sociological difficult to go after the 1.5 billion (using those numbers as an example only).
We should go after both for sure, but sometimes life isn't fair, and we take what we can get with always trying for more.
You have a good evening also.
I was just being humorous. I understand your point, but on the other side there is so many of those "little guys" that really can and do add up to more damage than the bigger guys with just plain quantity. All those company's and insiders are really giving nothing to the general economic environment. They are just taking period and many times if the penny guy doesn't go to jail, they just continue and skip around and easily it gets to the "millions" mark with just one "little guy". That part of the equation can't be ignored.
I grant you, there is validity to your point, and it's always been that way and it's a hard one to deal with. You have "to big to fail" concept, government and corporations joined at the hip, and just lack of reluctance or resources for any authority to go after some of big fraud getting in the way. But maybe it's just me, but I do see a little bit more going after some of the big money, but definitely not enough. The "status quo" needs to be challenged a lot more.
Here's a post by 1manband about the US and referring to the 43-101 and the US requirements. I'm sure 1mb can expand on it when he gets back around.
The SEC does not recognize or allow US companies to use NI 43-101, as that is a Canadian regulation. It has no standing with US companies. Instead, US companies are required to follow SEC Industry Guide 7.
www.sec.gov/about/forms/industryguides.pdf
The major differences between NI 43-101 and Industry Guide 7 is in the various reserve categories and the detail and work required in order to report "Proven" reserves. US Companies can only report "Proven" reserves after they have completed a Bankable Feasibility Study. The Canadian regulations allow a slightly lower standard, but in both cases, a huge amount of exploration and test work is required. That work not only takes time, but is also quite expensive.
Modern mining is neither cheap nor easy. It is much more expensive, time-consuming and difficult than certain companies would lead you to believe.
Well you have to admit, that MDGC is becoming one of the great poster boys for subject of things like the SEC round-table (actually already became). It doesn't have too long a life before it gets put into brokers freezer and chilled. Maybe two more weeks. But it's not going to last long enough to even be able to get to any new regulatory actions. This thing will have long gone by the time any new enactments come into play. Every day gets closer to the inevitable NO BID.
I was very clear in discussing AQLV specifically.
Not that I don't think that the "big" guys shouldn't pay or be gone after for fraudulent activity, but you're getting me exited. Where are all those "20 year terms for $24k"? I've got a great scrapbook just ready to fill up.
Or should I just go get my pet flea and its violin. LOL
Very good points. Along with that we have those new F&G convertibles that recently got filed and we can't see how favorable the conversion rates are or how detrimental those will be for any investor.
We all know how transparent BNPD and Gouger, Pawson, and Pulver are being. Can't see anything around that Stop sign and hidden records that Nevada is so famous for.
Gouger already spent that. Although, maybe he didn't even get it and it went to a promoter or Pawson might have it. But it very well could be gone no matter where it went.
The problem is definitely a question. Given the "bad apple" label has been stuck on BA and all it's litigations recently and the fact practically every stock that they have been involved in has got some pretty bad odds to it. Just merely discarding the possibility they aren't still involved in some way believing in some promotional AQLV tactic, would be quite risky.
With the stigma and proven criminal activity of Big Apple, I would suspect that they would try to pass off "involvement" to their associates and/or mazes of detail. I believe that they would try their hardest to not show any clear connection and try to bury it in the most complicated way they could find. Probably one of reasons AQLV ticker changed from IRFS, just another way to change focus.
One of the reasons I brought it up was due to some of the promotional aspects that are the same as some of Big Apple's other involvements. So I would look for clear establishment of any fact that they are not, instead of looking for clarity of that they are.
I guess it goes to the yes, no, maybe check-box. There is a definite maybe and really the inability to realistically checking the no for sure.
The very fact it is documented to be in the past, is very reason for concern. It is most common down in penny land that past criminal associations just connect to dubious future associations in some form or another.
I'm not saying they are, but I sure am not going to be irresponsible and just simply say they aren't for reason only to promote the stock.
What??? There's many "options" to go for a better bet. A good bet is where to realize the true odds and not just follow AQLV carnival bets. That's the key to "real money". Keeping the money in the pocket and not blowing it on going to the circus and drinking AQLV "magic water".
Absence of buyers at current prices, negative developments (or any lack of positive developments), which will bring in increased selling, may take care of things also.
Throwing in the towel. Better late than never I guess.
Well that list then puts AQLV in the bulk of the statistics that overall medium or longer term the pps will be failing. I sure wouldn't be using that fact for any promotional purposes. That statistic is quite common and boring to some, interesting to others. But a problem to observe for any investing or trading.
Amount of posts are no real measure by itself and has to be included with all surrounding factors. There is many, many times stocks get to the most read or most posted level and connect with negativity, spiraling pps, or just about to have a failing pps. Many times, a most talked about stock is actually suspended, had a chill, or just criminal course cases connected to it.
Sometimes it is just being heavily promoted and again setting itself up for the inevitable downtrend and blaming "shorts" with super powers.
Well obvious Big Apple was involved and makes it an issue. There is no confirmation that any involvement is indeed only in the past. There very well might be current involvement. That was the question and no reasonable answer has been given that past associations with an otc company is not included in the fact that the odds that it can possibly effect current issues of any company. As it so many times does in the sub-penny world.
Well on that theory, your post has now turned into "some old IHUB post" and should be thrown out. LOL Can we have a little better discussion on what AQLV is or was instead of some dud theorizing that just because something is "past" it makes it invalid. That is very incorrect thinking in order to have any educating discussion on AQLV and throws out reasonable thought process to the wind.
But then, I guess that might be what's wanted here due to reality gets AQLV in trouble.
I understand that it is a post, done by a poster that is better than average (to say the least) at real DD. But that is what this MB is, a lot of posts and discussion on them. It was just directing to the issue. I'm sure that anyone who chooses to just blindly back the company and not question anything will believe and have an opinion that no way any negative is true about AQLV. But that doesn't exclude ones who might want to actually be astute to the questionable actions and product of the company.
HUH???? Maybe you better go back and read better and quote the entirety. At least them we can have a intelligent debate on the subject and I can try to clarify your misinterpretations and erroneous statements.
The ease is in validating the common effect of the "activity" previously trying to promote and taking the pps to where it didn't belong. It most always ends up in the downward spiral that in fact happened due to the pps was over done and not worth where it was along with there was probably some heavier selling of received shares.
Questioning the hyped up claims of "magical water" is what exactly the public should be doing.
But as to the common fact of over rating a pps and promotion and the inevitable degradation of the pps of a company is just the way it is. No matter what any spin is for the gullible, uninformed, or naive investor or trader.
I stated "involvement". It wasn't about your described "try", nice or not.