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And why did you invest....then dump.... VOIS stock when you should have known all along that you were supposedly working with a company that is going to release a BCI Device? Who the heck invests in the competition. You also act like your supposed company is so far ahead when there's nothing on the market from this no name company you work for. Glad you woke up one day and realize your company had a killer BCI device though! Great to be in the loop where you work! I'm calling bull on that, buddy.
I agree with your statement that says that's not have business math works. However, this is clearly a startup company and creating a ridiculous number of product with no clear cut market for the device would be insane. Keeping the number of units produces is both smarter and more realistic from a startup perspective.
With interest will come further sales and further lines of the product. The interest will be there as marketing comes about. This marketing and media promotion isn't meant to sell 5000 units. It's designed to sell many more in the future and get the word out about the product SO THAT THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME.
5000 preorders from investors only is also unrealistic like you say and I agree. I do believe, however, that 5000 units will definitely sell out fast between investors and the public who will soon learn about the product.
Great point! Guess VOIS is going under! Well played, sir!
That or you, whoever is reading this post, can read the tons of DD and information we provided stickied at the top of this board and in posts. Make a judgment call for yourself because for me, all my indicators are pointing up and I've been here a couple of months now. GLTA
Just take a look at the changes they've made to the device:
OLD:
http://mindsolutionscorp.com/product_updates
NEW:
http://photos.prnewswire.com/featured/prnthumbnew/20150224/177290
The grounding cable is attached to the housing of the device instead of awkwardly to the ear clip. Also the probe now extends into your ear a little further and looks to be more comfortable and accurate as a result of being more internal.
Could be the way competition works out or where Joe Abrams and others have footholds in those markets. I don't think it will be terribly difficult to get a hold of one of these things unless it really does explode!
Instead of posting DD to the board right now, I and this board welcome questions about what VOIS is and why you should be excited about VOIS in the coming weeks.
We (I'm answering for everyone though haha) will also answer the simplest of questions, the hardest of questions, and everything in-between, so don't think your question is a dumb one even if it is!
We want you on board and this is the right place to get you in the know :D
You actually bring up some valid points. In terms of sophistication, it probably won't be as sophisticated as Emotiv's device right out the gate. It does have less states and sensors so that is true. The benefit here is the size, price, and look of the device. It's like comparing an old fashioned computer to a gameboy. Sure, the computer could play much better games, but the gameboy was portable, battery operated, and socially available just about anywhere.
So if you actually read the trademark, it says this applies to the security software sector. They do not claim the trademark for anything and everything that is "Synapse". The VOIS Synapse is hardware in BCI technology whereas this trademark is for the protection of "Synapse" in the computer software security market. Sorry.
I don't falter you for this as it makes sense from a personal gain perspective.
I don't know and I'm sure that information will be made available shortly.
I wouldn't think so. Although possible, I doubt because the names are the same they are in a partnership.
If there was ever a "sleeper" stock. this has to be it. It's not like the gold penny stocks where suddenly, through luck, a huge increase happens. No, this stock has momentum, has proof of concept, and has tons of research suggesting THIS is the next big thing. VOIS is under the radar, undervalued, and there is large momentum leading into product launch in a breakout field with no true leader. If you're going to talk about the potential of a product flopping before it's even out yet, the same could be said about any product nearing launch.
All companies are under this scrutiny and we would be wrong to think otherwise. We'll find out soon what the result will be. The facts are here. Read into the future consumer BCI market, read into what VOIS claims and has legally said and shown the device can do. The patent and device is real.
Investors might have taken a hit in the past, but it has all been in culmination of VOIS's efforts and vision to figure out the best way to penetrate the extremely infant BCI market. At first it was software, but there wasn't a large enough market of consumer BCI users to target such a niche group. So what have they decided to do? They're going to start from the ground up this time, making their way back into the software side of things AFTER they release this inexpensive, aesthetically pleasing, game changing device. This is in the filings. They will be making software soon if not already.
If anything, the positives here are THEY HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE in a market most people don't even know about. They have a board of professionals that have tons of experience in niche areas. Joe Abrams will come through. Nothing VOIS has said in their recent PRs has been so unbelievably unrealistic that I have reason to doubt their actions leading into product launch. They aren't hyping it up to increase stock price because they honestly don't have to. You can tell Casey can barely contain his excitement but he is handling everything professionally.
Stock Holders on penny stocks will complain day and night because they took a 50 percent hit here or 30 percent hit there. VOIS isn't here to make short term shareholders money. VOIS is here for the future that is the BCI market VOIS will create, many, many years in the making. Strap yourselves in.
Between you and me, it does seem a little crazy that VOIS hasn't been acquired yet by another company. But hey, maybe the price wasn't right. As an unknown company, I would expect other companies to lowball them offers.
VOIS knows what they have and haven't sold out yet. I bet Joe Abrams and others on board have been making sure that VOIS doesn't sell out for any less than its worth. I'll even go as far as to say that Joe Abrams and others on the executive board have the understanding that this company is headed places, so long as they guide it there. With their business experience, I have zero doubts that they know how to get the most bang out of their buck, and that is by doing it the way they are doing it now.
20 billion dollars. Even if VOIS is able to capture a very small fraction of that, we will all be very happy.
Another reason I expect some results, and while not a hundred percent accurate, is that the amount of investing and financing VOIS has gone through to get this product to market. I'm not too keen on the financials here, but I do believe a couple million dollars (If someone has a source I would love to have it. I'm not too sure where to find these numbers and I may very well be wrong) went into the research and development of the SYNAPSE. The pps doesn't even reflect the money that went into research of this device. Imagine the pps now that the investment has paid off with a fully functioning product.
3 to 4 months later is when there will be results. That's when a buyout would actually be warranted by results. Don't you agree? I was also arguing that the price tag that VOIS would like to be bought out for at present is much higher than what companies would like to buy them out for at present. There's a gap between the bid and ask for this company, so to speak, and until there are results, aka a proven market, product, and revenue, the bid and the ask are just too far apart for both VOIS and an interested party to reach a buyout decision.
I feel like I've said enough about facts recently but I have to add my honest opinion:
This is an UNTAPPED industry that is going to EXPLODE in the coming years. Even if it isn't VOIS, I doubt that we won't see BCI devices becoming common place in houses across America. Analysts and Researchers believe it will be an 18 billion dollar industry by 2017-18. I do not have the source on me but I am sure I can find that statistic as it has been thrown around here many times before.
Think about that: 18 billion dollars in about 2 to 3 years. (A 1 billion dollar slice of that owned by VOIS would be just under a 1 dollar per share amount...although lofty, isn't impossible. In my honest opinion, I believe a pps of at least 10 cents AKA 100 million dollar company is definitely possible in the coming year. Half a million units sold at 200 dollars each would total that amount. I'm not keen on whether pps is profit,networth, or whatever it may be, but 500 thousand units doesn't sound impossible in the coming few years. My final thoughts:1 billion dollars long long term with the right support and market explosion, and ten cents short long term if VOIS gains stability and traction as well as a following leading into the explosion of the market in the coming years.)
This market is WIDE OPEN. There is no clear bread winner and because the market is so small, yet so much research suggests it will explode in the coming years, someone has to take the reins. Top tech companies are researching to no end to create a BCI device of their own that's cheap, reliable, and portable. In our case, VOIS looks like the front runner and you have the opportunity to hop on something high risk high reward. You are lucky to have stumbled upon this now, just as I am.
So why hasn't a company picked up VOIS yet if it's such a clear winner?
To be honest, that's not as cut and dry as I'd like to think. Right now, VOIS is still paying off the financing it required to keep its head above water. Financially speaking, it's struggling to stay afloat in terms of revenue. They haven't really had much to sell in previous years. It has been stated that VOIS has been in talks with other companies, but still nothing. Why?
I'll tell you why and this makes complete sense: no one buys anything until it works. Not only that, but how would any company warrant purchasing a company that's essentially been in debt/barely afloat for MILLIONS of dollars? Google, Apple, and Microsoft don't just buy up companies because they can. That's a dumb business model. They buy when there are results, the future growth of said company is almost guaranteed, and owning them is worth more than what they were purchased for after acquisition.
For all we know, VOIS and the people who run it for SO MANY YEARS are not content with a small multi-million dollar, low ball buyout. They know the potential, they know their worth, and they won't let their work go unnoticed without a significant return on their efforts. This is why I believe they have not been bought out. At present, all they have is a patent (which is worth a lot by the way...) but no product, and probably won't be bought out unless the price is right, but no reputable company will buy a company specializing in a non-existent market on speculation alone. Period. If companies had it their way, they'd want to own the patent, not the company that owns the patent. That would make it cheaper and easier for them. Fortunately for you and me, we are standing on the VOIS launch pad that has their BCI Ear Piece patent locked up inside of it. The two are inseparable. We all have the amazing option of getting in the rocket before take off or wishing we had as it blasts off. That or we at least say we tried as it falls slowly back to Earth. Nothing is certain here, but from the looks of it, the potential and Risk VS Reward here is incredible.
Who is leading the field in this market? Look at Emotiv: they look poised to take a large chunk of that market, as well as the top name technology companies (Samsung, Apple, Google, etc.). HOWEVER, no one has a foot in the door among the top tech companies for a general consumer level BCI product. It's all in its infancy. They might be working on it, but no one has released a consumer level product like VOIS is about to.
At present, other BCI devices are clunky, large, strange looking (no offense, but even though I would definitely use them in my own home, you won't see me using them openly in public). If you've lived anywhere where there are social norms, you'll know that a kickass idea can fail if trends and fashion kill it way before it has a chance to breathe. We all went through school and understand how fads rise and fall. This is not a fad. This is the future in BCI devices.
Its buying points are its small size (the smallest), its appearance (looks like a standard Bluetooth earpiece), its functionality (Bluetooth and battery operated AKA lightweight), and its price(Less than 200 dollars, something basically unheard of in the current BCI market that is reliable and high quality. This price comes from years of research and development that allowed them to minimize costs of production while still creating a highly affordable product.)
I'd be happy to look into or answer any questions about this technology. I'm no expert and have never used such a device, but I do understand electronics and computers as I went to school for it. In all honesty, the only thing to be unsure of here is what the SYNAPSE is going to be capable of and what its specs are. If they are even half decent on product launch, all investors will be very pleased soon.
The more long term investors we have now will reduce the total outstanding shares and all previous long term investors shares' worth. That's why we all care to get you on board as well.
I'm fairly certain you can't apply for a patent without proving proof of concept at least. This proof of concept has been in the pipeline for a while and as other companies have proven, BCI devices are real and work. The only difference here is it's going to be more economical and ergonomical. There obviously is the chance it won't deliver because if there wasn't why would the pps be this low with such promise? Sure, dilution, etc. could be the reasoning, but from a technical stand point this is sound in concept and actuality.
Patents say "Hey, this is how you make our product/invention. As a reward for us telling you how we make it, we get all rights to it and royalties." This promotes fair competition, reducing monopolies where lack of information on how something is made can create a monopoly for many years, slowing down progression in society. That doesn't mean someone can steal this idea in America, but it does allow society to advance off of VOIS's patent's contribution.
Have a great weekend all
Patents are usually pending on release. Pick up a toy, a basketball, anything and it will generally say patent pending.
That is because it takes a while to actually get the patent, but in a court of law, the patent pending is enough to say you were the first one to the patent office and just because the patent office is backed up doesn't mean you don't own the rights to it.
First one to the patent office wins, however, many people and most go straight into production as the patent is pending. Waiting for the patent to be officially approved can take years and in today's society would hinder America's productivity, so it doesn't really matter.
The patent is here:
http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%2213%2F563,092%22&OS=%2213/563,092%22&RS=%2213/563,092%22
"[0090] The brain activity monitor in general may be used to detect and record the EEG signals from the subject's brains. With the third embodiment in particular, the EEG electrodes 410 may be inserted into the auditory canals of the subject. The monitor as a whole may be worn on a subject's head, with the stabilization and support from the structural support cable 470. The audio cable 510 may be plugged into an audio player. Sound may come out of the audio outlet 420 on the EEG electrode 410. The low-noise EEG sensor, including the EEG electrode 410 and the earth cable 490, detects and transfers the EEG signals to the processing circuitry, which is housed in the recording units. The monitor includes a rechargeable battery as the power source. A USB port may be used to charge the battery and/or transfer data. In addition, there are power indicators 480 on the recording units to signal the power status of the monitor. Such power indicators may also serve as switches that control the power supply. "
This means we can eventually expect the SYNAPSE Successors to have a built in audio function AKA headset or earbud music incorporation. I talked to Casey a few weeks back and he said yes to incorporating this down the road after initial product success
http://www.slideshare.net/FrostandSullivan/impact-of-bci-in-consumer-applications
It suggests 2020 is when portable, lightweight BCI devices will be available and the normal for BCI market. HAH. It's here right now with VOIS!
Also, under "Factors Influencing and Encumbering The Adoption of BCI in Consumer Applications Today", we see cost as the number 1 constraint (VOIS's Synapse will be one of the cheapest available!) and we see Non-Invasive Technology (AKA in Ear HINT HINT) as The NUMBER 1 DRIVER THROUGH 2025.
This literally screams win win and more win. The patent VOIS holds rights to the first portable, bluetooth BCI device that uses your ear. That's one heck of a patent to be holding onto and delivering on shortly!
http://www.slideshare.net/FrostandSullivan/impact-of-bci-in-consumer-applications
Good information on some BCI basics and where we should expect to see growth, when, where, and why
Well, from what I can deduce, this is what I got out of this and other sources:
1. BCI Devices give around 70 percent accuracy with BCI devices of perceived vs actual brain wave bit.
2. Accepted rates for BCI devices are around 15 bits/ minute or 1 bit every 4 seconds aka 1 bit is one state selection (if I got that right).
3. EEG sensors versus scalp sensors suggests HALF the bit rate of scalp sensors AKA around 1 bit (or state as I like to think of it) every 8 seconds I think.
4. However, this poster and study suggests the amount of correct information picked up by scalp versus EEG (ear) sensors was mostly the same, EXCEPT ocular (eye movement) artifacts were not present with the EEG (ear) sensors. Eye movement stimuli was picked up with scalp bci sensors but not the ear sensors. This isn't terribly important but interesting to know.
All in all, it suggests that the ear is actually a good, reliable place to take data from in comparison to the reliability of scalp sensors. I'm also unsure if you can suggest that all ear sensors are usually half the throughput of scalp sensors from this study. I'm not convinced that in ear means 50% bit rate of standard scalp sensors as is suggested by the bold text on the second page. That may have just been results for their setup in the experiment.
Either way, this is great supporting evidence of this technology
I have but one regret, and that's that I don't have more money currently to throw at VOIS. Dynamite waiting to explode. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can look at all the facts and say "This isn't going to go up".
In the very least, it will go up at least to half a penny, guaranteed. Higher there after. Why am I so sure? Because this product has been years in the making, and if you have any foresight like the rest of us shareholders, you'll realize what a hell of an opportunity we have here.
THE FIRST PORTABLE, WIRELESS, CHEAP, FUNCTIONING Device that USES BRAIN WAVES.
This isn't science fiction people. It's a proven science and the difference between this device and others are the design, size, cost, and most importantly potential for growth. If you need me to spew more facts please ask me for more.
Here's my take on what we have going for us with the SYNAPSE:
I'm sold on the IDEA, just wish we had more specs and facts about reliability, battery life, ease of use, etc. The design is years ahead of what emotiv and other are doing. Although not as many sensors and data points, this one device can, according to my DD, pick up at least 6 brain patterns. I'm not too keen on neuro science but I do know as a programmer that varying degrees of 6 states such as X % state 1 and Y % state 2 and Z % state 3 etc...... is more than enough for a programmer to make an interesting, functionally diverse game or application, so long as the reliability, percision, and usefulness of those states is possible through this device. Still waiting on more useful information regarding device specs.
Interesting note: the patent also encompasses future integration of an audio player aka an earphone. This means the patent covers using this device also as headphones (at least for one of your ears) for audio listening. That way, you could be listening to high quality audio while you use the device (instead of only through your unoccupied, unused ear)
I asked Casey about the audio integration and he mentioned in future versions of the device development it should become part of the device.
As for concerns about the eco-system for the device, i will have to say there really isn't too much out there yet. But according to others, the Emotiv headset has already sold 200,000 units? (not sure on that number). In any event, the eco-system will come about as programmers and firms decide to develop for BCI applications. This will happen when this device comes out. Why? Because it is extremely affordable compared to Emotiv headset AND it is extremely pleasing to look at and easy to use. SO LONG as the VOIS Synapse is reliable and not a toy that works sometimes, I expect many techies and hobbyists to quickly begin developing for this platform if it works. It's even Bluetooth and wireless. I'm also guessing the overhead for production of these devices isn't too high (I do understand the bulk of the work was researching how to make a BCI device this compact, efficient, effective, and portable) which is great news too.
The lack of eco system was what had me almost leaving VOIS until I realized it hasn't had much chance to develop. That and not many people can easily afford or want to spend money on a bulky headset that kind of works
This is almost like how the Gameboy changed the way video games were played.
Who says mind technology has to be big? That's where the misconception is. It doesn't have to be a giant, clunky helmet that taps into everything your brain is giving off.
Nope. That's why it's a risky play. look at past PR's and Giav's posts to get more insight about probable timelines. He's done the math and it adds up. We are close (1 - 3 months maximum) before supposedly "ground breaking" news. If you're jumping on board because you want to make a quick buck, keep in mind people on this board have been riding the roller coaster for many months and some even years. Nothing is guaranteed and what happened with this company in the past has everything and nothing to do with the future. We won't know until we know. Your call.
As for me? I'm patiently waiting because I'm rather heavily invested AND can keep mind over matter when pps swings either way. Some posters here have been bashing this stock for months and it makes me wonder what their secondary agenda is. It obviously has to do with them benefiting from a lower share price, one way or another.
Fortunately for you, if you jump on now, you'll have a much shorter time frame to find out if we're all wrong or not. Others here will have suffered much longer lol (for better or for worse, it's still suffering to wait!)
The company would have to be worth over a billion dollars for that to happen. Some here believe that is possible down the road (right now it's worth between 500,000 and 2 million according to pps, but of course, as I see it they have one product right now that isn't even out yet. Supposedly the BCI marketplace is expected to grow to 17 billion in about 3 years so it isn't unfathomable that this product and company should be able to get a good chunk of that revenue if they are as far ahead of the curve as everyone else and assuming everything they say is true about the product. Unfortunately, they haven't proven themselves to be a real company yet so it's a risky play but so far things have been moving along. Your call
Trust me, I bought earlier this morning and many times in the past. I'm just saying there's no news that would indicate this stock should be jumping this high unless what everyone else says is verified beyond what I can see.
I honestly think this is getting pumped right now. Evidence is the amount of new posters and lack of news. Sorry guys but it's going up and coming down soon unless news hits. That's just from my experience here.
It's most likely (and in my opinion definitely) not VOIS software. The headset is hardware and I don't think Emotiv would use a competitor's software in general, especially considering Emotiv is ahead of VOIS in the market place anyway. VOIS made applications for the PC, not the headset.
It works the same way the Neurosky headsets work minus a few of the states like movement and such. It follows the same protocol as the neurosky headset hence why it works on that platform.... It's like someone designing a usb mouse and now you want proof the mouse works on a pc....
To be fair, a bluetooth device can work with any bluetooth capable receiving device. it's just a communication protocol that takes data in. Therefore, if the bluetooth data can be read, it can be supported.
Giaiv, Don't get me wrong, love your input here, but why waste your breath on these people? You're playing the same role of savior to people who won't listen, just like we won't listen to the people trying to save us from VOIS.
I know you're emotional about your position with VOIS but as much as you're defending this company, it really doesn't matter until there are results. It's good to hear that some things are blatant lies and exaggerated truths by some of these short term bashers, but I don't think it's worth getting so fired up by these trolls.
The best way to silence them is to wait. I highly doubt our input and conversations are affecting the stock prices at all (for better or for worse). The best revenge will be the gains we all experience if it does take off like we all want to believe. That is when you should be emotional. GLTA. Glad you're still as steadfast as you've ever been.
Agreed. It makes sense and it isn't hokey. Well done there. My idea and others, I must agree, are not nearly as good as this name.
A classic recursive acronym
He's not a pumper. That's for sure. I think we all need to chillax because there is nothing wrong here. I understand your point but this board is more likely to bash than to support so he's trying his best to counter the bashers even if it is outdated and not as transparent as we'd all like. Just like Vois!
I misunderstood then. Cheers. In other news, its at 18 now
So you're patronizing me over explaining to you that I understood the joke in the first place? I'm done with this imaginary internet fight but I do believe if you go back and read what I wrote you'd see that you were not responding correctly to what I was saying. GLTY as I enjoy your insight and posts on this board :D
I was also not wrong. If my brain is not working, I am dead, and therefore I was correct.
This is the answer I believe in as well. I like to think critically and openly. That is why I have the same opinion as you on this matter.
You didn't read my post. All I said was from THE VIDEO you cannot say yes, the BCI device THAT VOIS HAS MADE works beyond all doubt.
In a previous post, you said, "If it doesn't work when you use it there might be another reason for it. smile"
What did you mean by that. I thought that was the joke. Meaning if you're using it and it isn't the battery that is causing the problem, it must be because your brain isn't!
I am being logical. I'm not saying it is or isn't a real demonstration in the video. I believe in the technology but I'm explaining the video does not, beyond doubt, demonstrate the product exists on their end. I am not arguing other facts which actually support the belief the product exists. Looking solely at the video, you can't say, "yes, it's definitely real!" is all I'm saying.