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Seems like I mentioned the gas gauge you speak of in this part.
There's really not much to argue or debate when it comes to sales over the past few years. I agree they have been lack-luster to dismal whether your talking about Canada or the US, but sales will grow exponentially when product awareness initiatives take root. You can check my posting history over the years, and my statement has always been the same. Although there are many steps laid out in the WNBD business model, there are two phases the company must go through simply to become self-sustaining. It's extremely difficult for a small company with an unknown product to elevate it's stature to a world class competitor, but it's evident they have the hard working dedicated management team, they have a product that's second to none, their reputation amongst the worlds top retailers are now taking notice, their footprint in North America is growing, so the question becomes, do they have the time and financial means to pull it off.
The two phases I mentioned earlier are 1) land enough retail partners to make any sort of sales initiatives and marketing projects feasable to incorporate. 2) once the number of retail locations are secured begin to impliment whatever marketing stratigy needed to increase product turns to become profitable.
This second phase has been evolving over time, and product awareness is spreading. We are now gaining the respect of the larger retailers which are now allowing us to begin in-store-merchandising, and other sales initiatives. This is about to reach a point where one hand feeds the other.... more sales equate to more advertising, which equates to more sales which equates to more advertising. This is how brands are built, and although WNBD hasn't achieved success to this point, it's seems to be well on it's way.
IMO the company is growing and moving forward with important relationships that could lead to eventual success, so it's more important to look out the windshield as opposed to looking in the rearview mirror.
A good charaterization of brand developement would be this: Very few people ever pay any attention to the new slab/foundation being poured for a house, nor do they have any idea of the amount of work that's required to accomplish that task. In a matter of time when the house is complete (if it's unique) everyone who passes by takes notice of the beautiful house, but nobody even remembers the slab lol. The important thing in this comparision between the construction of a house and building a brand is this: The foundation is the boring part of the project and not noticed by many people, but if the company or the house isn't built on a strong foundation beither will have a long lasting future. I believe WNBD has been working on a strong foundation, and the rest of the structure is about to rise for people to see the results.
Haha, what a crock of BS man. there are a number of stocks on the OTC market that do R/S on a daily basis. I would love for you (since it was your statement) to pull a list of the last day/week/month/year whatever makes it easy on yourself, and show us the companies that pulled NOBO list, and sent letters to shareholders that were about to R/S. That's gotta be one of the most feable attempts i've seen in a while, and would be embarrased to even make such a statement.
I've been around the markets for a long time, and still find it hard to believe how the crooks can steal billions of dollars, then ride off into the sunset in most cases. Here is a perfect example of one who bought a cash cow (shell) then sold billions of shares to people based on false and misleading press releases about the company's future, simply to support his jet-setting life style. IMO, toward the end of his journey he was using money made from the sell of stock to invest in gold (his personal scheme for personal gain) then sell the now tainted cash cow to someone else, as he drifts off to never never land to enjoy his ill-gotten riches. Pretty sad!!!!!
I agree hope, and it's obvious what's actually going on here. The two different preceptions mainly originate from two different styles of trading/investing. The investing side reads and understands that building a company takes times, has set-backs, faces obsticles, and continues to press forward if success is going to be achieved. They see the blogs for what they are, required progress to keep the company moving forward. Understanding that landing a new retail account doesn't mean overnight success financially or operationally. They know that when enough of the developements fall into place that tipping points are likely to be achieved which will shift the balance of exponential growth in our favor. In other words, this group believes that if Eric is successful in building this company and it's brand, then then share price will eventually follow the success.
The other group looks at the senario from the market prespective only. The objective is immediate or fast return on their investment strictly due to the dynamics of the market. Their point of view has many valid points also. Market awareness is one of them, and I see their point from both sides of the equation. Promote the company and traders can make their fast money, but it also affords the company the opportunity to raise capital at higher levels, thus protecting the share structure and the long term investor.
So as I said earlier, the reason for the two different perceptions of the blogs simply arise from two different ways of raising the share value. One believs that promoting the stock is the proper way, and think that Eric is taking the cheap way out trying to do it himself through the blogs, and the other believs that company groth is the proper way, and Eric is showing us the growth process through the blogs.
Not sure how long we need to beat this horse before we can put the issue to rest, but it's really quite simple. The blogs you referrence from Q3 came to pass, and objectives were accomplished.
Walmart:
We supply Walmart through Dynamics Distribution. Dynamic also distributes to other big box retailers in Canada, so they keep 1000+ inventory stocked in their warehouses. The opening order was recieved by the customer as stated in the Walmart blog, and stock came from Dynamics warehouse to acheive this task. Therefore Winning Brands didn't recieve an immediate order for the product which was shipped to Walmart, but has/will recieve an order from Dynamics to replenish stock used for Walmart's opening order, and product turns into the future. So, although the benefit of re-activating the Walmart account didn't provide an immediate cash windfall for Winning Brands, it will contribute to the bottom line for replinishment orders and future orders.
Do-It-Best:
As Eric Blogged that product had been shipped to all Do-it-Best Warehouses, and marketing material would soon soon be distributed to all stores. It only makes sense if you are going to send product information to retailers it's imperative you have product availabe for these retailers to order. Since this was all done ahead of the official launch, scheduled for the fall market show, it's understandable these weren't large orders. It still wasn't known at this time just how the product would be recieved by retailers, so no reason to overstock if retailers weren't interested. Eric never indicated the size or dollar value of this opening order anyway.
Duane Reade:
As everyone knows the product was shipped and paid for long ago, and winning Brands was simply awaiting the product being placed on the shelf. We were only talking about 100 stores at that time, and stocking only small bottles. So it possible the opening order for those location were only 2 or 3 cases each, so roughly 4k-6k in dollar value. Not exactly gonna add massive revenue to the finalcials for the opening order right. Now we know they have decided to go ahead and place it in 235 or so stores, which still won't add tremendous revenues in opening orders, but if the product is well recieved, and the sales goal is achieved in this retailer it could provide 12k-14k per month. Then there's always room for expansion through the parent company.
So, as stated earlier it's pretty simple to understand that regardless of whether or not the account was activated in Q3 or not, the benefit for Winning Brands was minimal during Q3.
It actually makes perfect sense, and it's all a matter of practical logistics. All these big box retailers you mention have their own enternal distribution from warehouse to retail level, but there are outside chanels of distribution from manufacturer to the big box wharehouses. Lowes, Home Depot, or any other retailer don't want the logistical frustration of ordering their "stocked 60,000" products from 60,000 different manufacturers. They place their orders through distributors that stock many of these items in one location.
One of the problems we had when we were removed from Walmart had to do with this type of arrangemnt. I posted some information some time back about Walmart attempting to elliminate the middle man, in an attempt to reduce their cost. In fact, Eric even stated that this was one of the arrangements Walmart was trying to do with Winning Brands. Eric stood his ground on the matter by telling Walmart if they chose to by-pass the distributors they would still pay the same price for the product, even buyng direct. It wasn't playing hardball, but if Winning Brands is required to provide logistics, maintain (warehouse) additional inventory, ect... then the additional cost would be passed on to Walmart.
This was a move Walmart was trying with many products in an attempt to cut cost, but I think they have backed off the idea since nothing more has been published about the change.
I didn't realize the national purchasing manager read the product reviews (said with the same sarcasim as your post)
Slow and stesdy wins the race bud. Move up a little and consolidate a few days to allow profit takers out, and new holders/money come in. When/If big verifiable news hits that will prove substantial/sustainable growth to profitability it will move nicely. I would rather have a higher share price to launce from when that happens. I'm content with slow upward movement at the time to allow the chart to cool down after moves.
fff, although the score always matters regardless of what inning, quarter, or half of the game your in, but the good news is there's always the opportunity for a walk-off homerun, go ahead touchdown, or a game winning 3-point shot as long as there's time left on the clock. The best news is, we aren't that close to the end of the game, and momentuem seems to be shifting to our team with plenty of time left. The question is this....how many peeps have the vision to see what could be coming for the rest of the third and fourth quarters versus how many peeps will be left sitting in the stands because they were too busy talking about how poorly we played in the first half?
You must be looking at it upside down lol. Flip it over and there's not many bullish indicators even with the daily last minute paint jobs.
It's not even rational to compare revenue numbers qtr. over qtr. when dealing with a product that has a seasonal characteristic to it. As long as the main market for 1000+ is in the paint department, and as long as the majority of retailers are located in Canada there will always be weaker revenues during the winter months. When 1000+ reaches saturation into the southern regions in North America, or when consumers and government entities begin using the product for other uses, we will then begin to see parity in qtr. over qtr. sales. For now, the only appropriate way of determining any type of growth is to compare yearly qtr. over qtr. revenues.
Just a little history lesson on the evolution of the communication between Eric and the shareholders, as well as the evolution of the complaints against such transparency.
In the early days Eric would answer shareholder questions, or give operational updates by means of an email to the board moderators to be posted on this board.
Complaint: Although the information contained in the emails sent to moderators weren't considered material developements, there were some on the board who complained that the moderators were recieving information before the rest of the investing public recieved it.
Solution: Eric created the CEO blog where he could answer shareholder questions, and post general comments or concerns for all to have equal opportunity to view at the same time.
Since the creation of the CEO blog Eric has been very active in keeping shareholders updated on current and forward looking company activity, answering shareholder questions, acknowledging risk as well as reward with company status, ect...
Complaint: Eric blogs "X" number of times per/day, per/week, ect.. He's just using the blog to pump the stock, dangle carrots, make the shareholders feel all warm and fuzzy, ect...
Solution: Eric ignors the naysayers, and continues to build the company while keeping shareholders informed on activity and answering questions from shareholders.
Contradicting statements and therories:
1) The company needs to hire an awareness firm to pump the stock.
1a) It's okay to hire a firm to pump, but it's wrong and considered pumping for the CEO to give updates on the blog.
2) The only people who read the CEO blog are shareholders.
2a) If only shareholders read the blog, then who is he pumping too? He already stated in a blog regarding the falling share price that long shareholders were out of ammunition. If so, why continue to pump there, or is the fact he is actually providing updates the reason for the blog?
3) The CEO loves dangling carrots and serving up kool-aid on the blogs.
3a) Almost all operational updates that have been posted on the CEO blog with certain retailers or organizations have materialized to some level of operational status. Maybe not full operational roll-outs, but growth is a process, and we have begun operation within these companies.
In Summary:
It's okay to hire an awareness firm to spread BS in order to pump the stock, but it's not okay, or considered pumpimg for the CEO to give forward looking operational updates on a blog that only current shareholders are believed to read.
The CEO pumping on the blog isn't working because the share price doesn't respond to all the blogs post....or maybe that's not the intent of the blog duh... just maybe it's to keep the shareholders updated on events.
There's plenty more, but I guess it's all the same. Dang if he does, dang if he don't. I for one love carrots and kool-aid.
I didn't realize blind people could see anything, so I can't imagine why they would be looking at the blogs.
Very highly unlikely in my opinion. I would assume Q3 will always be the lowest annual quarter for revs until the progression advances in the southern states. With outdoor cleaning and painting season coming to an end in the Canadian market during the winter months, I would imagine sales and re-ordering slow during this period.
It's a form required by issuers to register with the SEC
It is possible for issuers to obtain information on benificial share owners through obtaining the NOBO and OBO list, but there are guidelines about reasons for obtaining such information. This is not a tool the sec allows issuers to track who buys and sells on a monthly basis. With WNBD in the process of registering with the sec and filing an S1 form, I highly doubt Eric would abuse the system with monthly request for NOBO list to be used in a manner it's not intended to be used for. IMO it could be part of the registration requirements that Winning Brands in in the process of completeing.
I feel quite sure the deal will be a LOI for white space, and it blow the lid off on the pump, then it will create alot of upset bagholders when the deal falls through.
Roscoe, did they already have it ordered and awaiting delivery, or were they ordering some just for you?
GSA Update Blog
Oct
30
Update: GSA – Schedule Input Program
Launch Activity
by Eric Lehner
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Finishing touches on the Schedule Input Program completed. This a method to organize content for review by GSA personnel before going live with GSA Advantage online. Formal submission for review is being made Monday. Soon 1000+ Stain Remover will begin appearing in presentations within the appropriate agencies:
New advanced stain fighting multi-cleaner strong as solvent, yet gentle as soap. Remarkable degreaser for equipment maintenance at land, sea and air operational facilities. Gentle on skin, non-hazardous to people, animals & plants. Use manually or with power cleaning equipment. Concentrated for easy dilution. Converts oil-base messes to simple clean-up with water. Multi-cleaning applications too numerous to list, ranging from active duty situations (machinery maintenance, canvas surfaces, smoke residue, engine compartments, etc) to “domestic” situations (carpet, upholstery, fabrics, food stains, blood, scuff marks, fingerprints, correction fluid, etc).1000+ Stain Remover is non-corrosive, biodegradable eco-preferable to older solvents. Non-flammable, non-toxic. Does not contain enzymes, fluorescent whitening agents, NTA, phosphates, dry cleaning fluids, chlorines, artificial dyes, bleaches, artificial fragrances,. Low VOC. Cost efficient full-strength or variable dilution as needed.
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Tags: All branches of the U.S. military have uses for Winning Brands advanced cleaning solutions
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Sam's Blog
Oct
30
Update: Sam’s Club
Store Scenes
by Eric Lehner
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You never know whom you are going to meet on a given day. Extract from Robert a few hours ago:
Had a very interesting conversation with a man named _______ who worked for _______ (oil company) in Saudi Arabia. Said he would email me to talk about a bulk order. He said… “maybe I’ll buy a container of this… “ When I demonstrated dissolving the heavy-duty grease and 2-cycle engine oil, and then showed him my hands ( and I revealed that I have been doing these demos a couple hundred times a day for two weeks and if I was using something like mineral spirits my hands would be cracking and this fabric would be destroyed) he… literally said “I like this and we need this in Saudi Arabia because we wear traditional white garb and throw them away when they get oil in them”. Last thing he said was that I would hear from him. P.S. He used the word container 2 times.
Robert continues with the development of 1000+ event showcase props, in this case with the oil and grease that is being discussed. (The 30 cents handwritten on the sprayer was an improvised way to communicate how affordable 1000+ is as a general purpose spray when diluted by water). Picture on blog can be double clicked for hi-res.
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Tags: 1000+ Stain Remover in Saudi Arabia has to start somewhere...
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Oct 30 Blog
Palm Springs, California: Hospitality Market Trial Now Converting to Orders
Launch Activity
by Eric Lehner
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A test has been underway in Palm Springs, California. The purpose of the test was to let hotels/motels compare the cost effectiveness and satisfaction by staff and hotel guests after converting to Winning Brands products (1000+ Stain Remover, KIND Laundry Family and CLEAN1 Hard Surface) for sustained housekeeping use. The test involved the replacement of conventional (well known) brands for ours. Success was to be measured by a reduction of cost yet improvement in user satisfaction.
I am pleased to report that all seven hotel properties participating in the Palm Springs test considered it a success, and have started placing orders, effective immediately, for these three products, with the objective of using them regularly.
The logic for Winning Brands of the hospitality sector is that it is a busy one, where clean-up is constant, and standards are high. It is easy to assume that a few giant suppliers have the market to themselves. The reality is that the performance, value and customer service of Winning Brands are a sufficient basis to gain new ground.
Eventually I will be able to share more specifics, as permission is granted by participants. In the meantime, I can state with proven results now in hand, that this sector is revealing itself as being an interesting one for us moving forward.
Thank you Felix Barajas for your efficient design and implementation of the project and your demonstrated commitment to customer service for our new client group.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I wish you and everyone else makes money on all stocks, so I'm not happy you lost money here. I simply can't understand why the ledgend got shook out at the bottom.
Not too sure how many board readers will be concerned with the "TAKE" of a trader who buys high and sells the bottom, even if you do still hold a small position lol.
Although that post is your opinion, I must say I agree. The start-up companies with innovative ideas provide a great risk/reward opportunity for investors, but can these ideas be brought to fruition? Even the best engineered projects on paper may not provide the desired results in real world settings. Most technological ideas are possible to bring from paper to the real world, but most are also not practicle when results are measured. In other words, there are many ways to heat water, so if this technology is possible....is it also practicle??? That's why we place wagers on this companies right.
In time, I actually see "Clean-1" as being a huge seller through the military and government maintainence contract facilities due to it's convience of use and amazing de-greaser capabilities.
Oct
27
Update: GSA
Launch Activity
by Eric Lehner
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The following are some specifics that illustrate work going on behind the scenes to activate the GSA breakthrough. The bullet points demonstrate the (high) level of activity now underway. This is the sort of engagement that we have been preparing for, and are now carrying out. These are only sample points for illustration. There is more.
GSA Advantage website presence: We have been steadily updating the SIP program for upload to the GSA Advantage site and will have it ready for internal team review later this afternoon or early tomorrow. After that, the GSA Contract Officer reviews. We are targeting it being operational very early November. This depends upon EDI activation details.
ASAP: Submitting hardcopy advertisement to GSA MarkeTips Magazine
Currently: Pursuing NAVSEA review/approval for products AKA NAVY approval for Shipboard Use .
Next week: Possible Detergent RFQ Opportunity
1st Week of November: Commence use of e-Buy system to bid on available contracts (only available to schedule holders) https://vsc.gsa.gov/registration/benefits_sellers.cfm
2nd Week of November: Start marketing to Federal/Military organizations
2nd Week of November: Introducing GSA contract logoson company website, Facebook etc.
November 2, 2011: GSA Expo Registration for May 2012 conference in Texas
After 1 November - A customer can request an NSN # through their supply channels - This is beneficial if there is no access to GSA Advantage/Government Purchase card and they have to go through the base supply system to request an item such as in a remote location. More detail will be provided in due course.
January 2012 - We are in line to also be available on EMALL. They will next be adding vendors January. http://www.dlis.dla.mil/emall.asp.
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Tags: 1000+ Stain Remover and GSA
I don't know what the deal is with them, but I wouldn't be so quick to discredit any possibilities. The charges he's refering to are pass-through charges from Zecco which originate from pension, and remember who clears and settles trades. I believe Doug made mention in a post, that there is more to Pension's decisions than meets the eye.
IMO I doubt that's the issue here, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility.
A day or so of consolidation would be healthy in this area for a slow steady climb. All strong sustaining moves need to take a breather along the way up.
Oct.23 Blog
Update: GSA Advantage Online
Uncategorizedby Eric Lehner
.FYI – Teleconference was carried out today for next step in getting us online. Our implementation team is designing our GSA Advantage online presence, right now. What many shareholders may not realize, is that we do not have to rely on occasional large orders as the only basis on which the sale of our products to government buyers is possible or attractive. Online platforms such as GSA Advantage, amongst others, permit the large number of holders of government authorized credit cards to buy things as needed for facilities maintenance. The National Weather Service, the Coast Guard, the United States Postal Service are only three examples of such additional agencies (of many) beyond conventional military who can, and do, buy supplies in our category regularly, for their facilities maintenance. We will make inroads into such organizations as the usefulness of our products becomes known. There are many internal information channels to accelerate the spread of such information.
A large number of small and regular transactions can be accommodated through the online ordering portals, through which we will be paid by credit card at the time of order.
There will be many weblog entries on the subject of the GSA henceforth because it is a fascinating, substantial, long lasting opportunity. We have been developing many ideas in which our approach to the opportunity will be ‘a cut above” (referring to the competition). Remember, Winning Brands’ biggest obstacle to having a substantial business volume in the USA has not been product related. The biggest obstacle has been a shortage of substantial U.S. retail partners and scalable platforms. This seems to be changing now. The GSA can be thought of as a super-partner because they have a genuine need for products as an agency representing a vast number of end-users with professional/institutional appreciation of the quality and value of our products. The GSA will emerge as a fruitful area of activity for us. It may seem to observers that the GSA approval has ”come out of nowhere”, but is actually something that we have been working on for a very long time. It is now “activating” because we have passed a complex vetting process.
We have developed plenty of good ideas and now truly “hitting the ground running”, precisely because we were so well prepared.
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There is one question I believe every shareholder/potential shareholder should ask themselves with the recent (last 12 months) developements. Good or bad they all need to be explored.
To list a few:
1) Re-activation of Walmart Canada
2) International distributors and countries expanded
3) New Canadian distributors added
4) Lowes USA test locations
5) Home Depot .com activation
6) Duane Reade 213 locations launched
7) Do-it-Best account activated
8) GSA schedule contract awarded
9) Sam's Road Show launch
10) And MANY more (see press releases)
11) An extremely supressed share price
12) Company diluting for operating funds and paying off debt
13) Weary shareholders moving on
14) Weak revenue in past quarterly filings
15) And other things
Now the question is: With all these facts laid out for everyone to see, and with the latest accomplishments pushing the company into a new arena where revenues could begin to compound quickly, why does a select few feel the need to beat up on the stock and company on a daily basis, especially when there are thousands empty shell, pump and dump scams all throughout the pink marketthat are deserving of their services?
The things that make ya go hmmmm!!!!!
Oct 21 Sam's Club
From the front lines: Sam’s Club
Uncategorizedby Eric Lehner
.It is not my intention to deliver Sam’s Club updates every day for many practical reasons. However, at this very early time, some interesting things are emerging. Our shareholders who have been waiting a long time for this tremendous moment, deserve some glimpse of first impressions.
What’s interesting so far today, is that our numbers are holding up to yesterday and that, for the first time, two units were picked up by shoppers by themselves, without being “sold” in the sense of a conventional demonstration. The significance of this is that one version of a future expansion within the system is to have an unmanned show, with suitable self-supporting merchandising, video, etc. If we have evidence that the Value Pak will be selected by shoppers even without needing a live demonstration, it increases the possibility for that cost effective growth option for Road Shows.
In the meantime, Robert continues to adjust elements in the situation to experiment, learn and apply his findings.
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There must have been a drawing (contest) for retailers of the Do-it-Best show, and the winner announced by Winning Brands today.
Oct 21
Congratulations, Stevens Hardware, Ohio
Uncategorizedby Eric Lehner
.There was a lot of interest in the 1000+ Stain Remover Mini Display by the hardware stores we met at the Do it Best Fall Market this month. Of all people to visit our booth, only one store would receive the display, with opening inventory, as a prize in the draw from ballots. Stevens Hardware, in Greenfield, Ohio was the winner today. The ballot was pulled by Victoria Arrigo, Winning Brands Manufacturing Manager, after much shaking of the ballot box. Victoria is standing beside the popular display, as it will be equiped for Stevens.
Absolutely not!! The bid solicitation process is only one aspect of the GSA policy. It's important to understand that only orders which exceed a certain dollar amount need to go through a bid process anyway. There are thousands of government facilities which now have the opportunity to order 1000+, clean 1, or kind laundry detergent. The are also military commisaries who can now stock product on the shelves. No doubt many of these inititives could take time to develope, but the opportunity is now available when it wasn't prior to the approval for WNBD.
This post give a rough idea of the GSA process.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68195428
Good info. Thus the importance of highly concentrated products. Sounds like a nice fit.
No problem, and yes it has lol.
Oct 20 BLOG
Update Sam’s Club – 1st Day Goal Achieved
Uncategorizedby Eric Lehner
.Against all odds, Robert Hicks has delivered a first day result that meets the requirements/expectations of Sam’s Club for Road Shows. We must respect the confidentiality of our retail partner, by not being overly detailed about their own proprietary information. However, we can say this – each type of product has expectations attached to it that have been developed from experience that the retailer has acquired over years of operations.
Like a pilot who is at the controls of a plane he has not flown before, the “1000+ Store” within Sam’s Club (ie an end of aisle double pallet display), Robert Hicks has already shown his flying skills. Despite certain computer programming and procedural hiccups at the start of the day (that arise in any new undertaking), a fast recovery and then ascent to steady flight.
The product arrangement was very similar to the most recent rendering, with the exception of brown pallet caps (that will become white in the next round) and some signage placement that’s till being worked on. The display will continue to evolve.
If an expection for a “Road Show” operation can be met in the very first day, it is truly an auspicious beginning. We are a resourceful and motivated group. All kinds of operational refinements can be applied through studying and learning from everything that we are doing. My hunch is that we may be able to exceed the norm here for our category as time goes by.
Correct, but he hasn't pulled up lame yet lol, and honestly with the developements which have occured this year the immediate success could be as early as next week, or could never occur. The customers we are now dealing with now could change the landscape with an opening order, or a contract being awarded, but that answer may never come as well. The investors need to ask themselves is this a risk they are willing to take? I'm fine with my decision win, lose, or draw, but the race is on.