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“The next generation of BAM-1 spider silk hybrids are now prepared for launch nearly a full month ahead of schedule.”
Am I the only one missing something here? How do you get to the next generation when you haven’t even raised the first one? All they have tested or trialed are the parent lines. No word was ever said of raising the actual BAM1 hybrid. How do you get a month ahead of schedule in one week when raising silkworms?
“Does anyone have a breakdown of where the revs came from?”
Evidently they collect other companies revenue and claim it for their own. I can’t believe nobody asked about the huge increase in expenses. $67 million dollar expense for revenue sharing? Doesn’t sound like sharing to me, sounds like the other company got nearly all the extra revenue. How come these big payouts never seem to fall straight to the bottom line?
“Anyone here know what formula they use to come up with that?”
Come on SaintC. Pony up the $300 and let us know what you find out. The ‘Holy Grail’ crowd doesn’t want to know the answer to that question. Just glancing at the website it looks like it could be a pretty good website for investing info.
“A few questions about this sentence. Why just one generation?”
I don’t know why they would produce eggs from the BAM1 strain. It’s a hybrid and won’t breed true. Do they mean cocoons or maybe one generation of the parent strains? Who knows? Another seemingly poorly worded statement in a KBLB PR. Who would expect anything less? I have been waiting for somebody else to question that to see if anybody else actually reads these PRs besides me.
I also don’t know why the would have somebody else raising the parent strains. Seems like something you would want to keep in house, although only producing them in one location isn’t very wise either.
Makes one wonder what the heck Prodigy has been doing all this time. What happened to GSS?
“His best advice would be to seek professional help. Not help from someone that could gain.”
I’m sure that advice worked well for Bernie Madoff’s clients. The professional is the only one guaranteed to gain from him. The best advice would be to educate himself. He knows how to use the internet so there’s tons of educational material available at his fingertips. Seeking advice from OTC penny stock traders probably isn’t the best place to start.
Hope he’s at least smart enough to have maxed out his Roth contributions if he’s planning on making that much profit.
I think it’s more likely that he invented immunity DS silkworms that consume waste plastic instead of mulberry leaves. Just think about how rich you’re going to be. Why partner with somebody when you can do it better by yourself? Somehow the Air Force is involved in all of this too but I haven’t figured out how yet.
“It is an indication of what is happening like it or not.”
It is an indication of what happened in the past. Anybody speaking of the past on this board will usually get lam-blasted by the rah rah crowd.
You say you come here to learn but all you do is insult any poster that tries to add any sensible input. All you’re really looking for here is support for your overly optimistic expectations and if you don’t get it then you just throw insults.
I’m not here expecting a big home run here like a lot of folks on this board. I’ve actually ran the numbers and looked at various scenarios that could make this company profitable. I’m not buying the snake oil ‘Holy Grail’ crap others continually spew here but it could be a decently profitable business if KT ever figures out what he’s doing.
Also, Bingo is just as bad as this board. Those old ladies don’t like it there when you know what you’re doing either.
“If clues were sand and we gave you a grain each time to educate you...the Sahara Desert would be out of sand in a year.”
A guys looking for clues and you give him poetry. Thanks for verifying that you don’t have a clue either. You could have done that by just not responding and saved us all some time.
“ Comparative Relative Strength analysis shows that this issue is outperforming the S&P 500. (My emphasis)”
And you think that I’m the one that’s clueless. It’s an AI generated blurb from Schwab and is pretty much useless unless you’re into useless after the fact stats.
“This is the part that really caught my eye. Of course, it leads directly into the link below to a PR from Kraig that was readily dismissed w/o much fanfare.”
I don’t know why you would think a competitive source of spider silk protein would get any fanfare on this message board. They are making spider silk using waste plastic. They’re not making plastic out of spider silk. I still haven’t got a clue why KT thought that was worth a PR other than to pat himself on the back saying “Look, we’re kinda in the same business as this other outfit.”
“I haven't checked but I'm certain you started this stuff.”
So in other words, you’re just spouting crap about stuff you don’t know anything about like usual.
Who said I was trying to fix you? I couldn’t care less about what you dish out. You’re the one that asked me a question and demanded an answer.
What mission would that be? Trying to have an intelligent conversation on this board without being insulted?
That’s funny. I got it from you.
At least I know that this board was created for discussing the company KBLB and not its posters. Just because you’re not smart enough to add any useful information doesn’t mean others aren’t. Sorry if that makes you feel so inferior that the only thing you can do is resort to character bashing or putting out useless ‘Go Team’ posts like a lot of the other rah rah posters.
So why would you bother asking me a question and expect an answer? Don’t you have enough shit of your own? You can come pump my septic tank if you want.
I get the same info from the company that you do. I decipher that info based on my own judgement and experience with the company. You can decipher it however you wish. Ben isn’t sending me any secret coded messages. Hope that helps you.
What are you assuming?
I am so funny. Ha ha. I bet you wish you were this comical.
I see you haven’t made it past 2nd grade if that’s all you can come up with.
I wasn’t implying they shipped cocoons over. The point was the small number of eggs/worms/cocoons/moths that were needed to produce the amount of cocoons shown in the racks. They could have shipped the eggs from one female over and produced those cocoons using her egg’s offspring. I expected they would have shipped far more eggs over than what they appear to have to start the trials and production with. Not using enough female lines is how you end up getting too inbred which is one of the problems they had with the previous DS worms.
As far as your other calculations, I would hope the goal is to raise far more than one ton of raw silk per batch. Why slowly ramp up when you can take a major step up? Can’t afford to pay KT’s salary with that tiny bit of production. Also, we don’t know if KT/GSS are referring to tons of silk cocoons or tons of raw silk when they speak of metric ton production. Takes about 8 tons of cocoons to produce a ton of raw silk.
Boy, ain’t you a genius.
Take the tin foil off your head. There’s been a large seller selling into the news for some time. Sells have been outnumbering the buys by quite a bit on most days lately. I noticed the holdings of our Aussie friend dropped in the last 10k. Could be him dumping shares gradually as to not totally tank the share price. Pretty hard to sell that many shares and not tank the price while doing so.
I have found this thread started by you and MFN rather amusing. First by the misconceptions you two have and also by the lack of participation in the thread by the rah rah experts that claim to be so knowledgeable about what this company does.
The racks the cocoons are in are only necessary while cocooning and are designed to ensure consistent quality and size of cocoons. Once cocooning is completed the cocoons are removed from the racks. Usually the females have larger cocoons than the males so sorting by sex may or may not be accomplished somewhat just by sorting cocoons.
The picture with the handful of cocoons was interesting because that is about how many cocoons it would take (assuming 1/2 male, 1/2 female) to produce enough eggs to fill all the racks of cocoons in the other picture. So, only about 4 handfuls of cocoons were used for the trial runs of the parent lines if those pictures are showing what was produced from 1 of their trial batches. If that's true it really wasn't a very large trial and keeping the worms healthy would be a lot easier due to the low number of worms involved. Hopefully that carries over when larger batches are raised in the future.
Also, the cups you keep talking about are not for the purpose of breeding, they are for keeping the egg masses of each female separate so that sterile, abnormal, or diseased eggs can be sorted out and to keep eggs from poor performing females out of your breeding herd. The females are usually placed in the cups after they are bred. Breeding is done orgy style with a larger percentage of males involved to help ensure the females get bred. Once the breeding is done the moths are gently disconnected from each other and the females are then placed in their cups. The males can be used again to breed other females. The cups are more for egg and breeding stock quality control than anything else and are not needed for the female to lay eggs. I know you've seen the videos where they put a male and female in a cup together. You would do that if you wanted to breed a specific male to a specific female but doing so on a large scale would be very inefficient and result in a lot more females not getting bred in cases where the male was incompetent or suffered from premature ejaculation like a lot of investors in this stock do.
Now, about taking them cocoons to the reelers. If KT does that he should be shot. That's your breeding herd. Why would he make yarn out of them? He's got contracts to fill and at least one contractor(GSS) willing to produce 200 ton. How is he going to supply Lam Dong with eggs if he is killing off the breeding herd? Use however many handfuls you need to produce eggs for the BAM! hybrid trial and breed the rest to increase the size of the parent lines to fill that demand. You have to pick one end of that ramp up if you're ever going to get off the ground. Time/money is running out. Get going.
To be continued..................I've got other things to do.
Thanks for proving me right. I said the actual hybrid not the parent strains. Why would Kim just oversee the parent line trials if both the parent lines and the hybrids themselves were being tested at the same time? Today’s PR confirmed they weren’t yet actually raising BAM1 hybrid worms in their trials.
Launch, yet another word KT uses rather loosely. You can’t trial the BAM1 hybrids until you have BAM1 hybrid eggs but you can claim you’re launching their trial since you’re raising their parents. You need to learn how to speak KTese.
So you’re saying I could very well and most likely will be right then. Nothing wrong at all with my reading comprehension.
“you seem very displeased with today's news”
I don’t know where I said that. It shows they are making some progress. The problem is with those that are reading more into the news than what there was. The news was about getting to the end of the parent line trials. You and your buddies are trying to make it sound like their ‘immunity worms’ were a success, which these trials have nothing to do with.
What happened to the actual BAM1 hybrid trial? Doesn’t appear to have started yet. I guess D4S was right about that even though you and your buddies have been telling him he was wrong on his timeline.
There were 2 parent lines. Either they only showed one set of cocoons or they produced identical cocoons. Why would they mess with crossing them if the parent lines can produce large excellent looking cocoons? Adds a lot of complication and cost to the whole process.
Have you and your buddies ever won a real argument with facts or do you just like to make false derogatory comments about other posters that have a different opinion than you have?
“These high death rates suggest that disease reduction is potentially an area where improvements in conditions could not only improve silkworm welfare, but potentially could significantly decrease the number of animals killed by the industry”
I guess you missed the “improvement in conditions” part of that statement. Says nothing about genetics. Again, the worms look to have been raised in ideal conditions, but you just go ahead and ignore that fact.
“But don’t let that discourage you from contacting PETA”
You obviously don’t know who or what you’re talking about, as usual.
“If KBL can maintain ZERO DISEASE in full scale production then you are very very wrong!”
That picture is anything but full scale production. Looks like an air conditioned space in a large lab. It’s not where most silkworms are raised. I figure it would only take eggs from about 20-30 pairs of silkworms to produce what was in that room. A long way from millions.
No, I’m not.
“IF they let them all develop into moths, and IF they just produce a normal amount of eggs, we will be at 4 million plus silkworms in the next stage.”
Males don’t lay eggs so you’re being a little optimistic.
4,000,000 worms/300 eggs per pair=13,333 breeding pairs
verses:
11 racks x 300 cocoons x 4 rooms/2(males don’t lay eggs)=6600 breeding pairs
Plus, these are just the parent lines in what looks to be an air conditioned space. They haven’t even tested the actual BAM1 hybrid yet.
“but not sure how many silk producers around the world can make that claim.”
I’m sure most producers are capable of raising disease free colonies. It helps to start with worms that have the genetics to handle the climate they are in. Something the original DS worms evidently didn’t have. All they did was breed the original DS worms to silkworms that had the genes capable of thriving in the Vietnam environment. Maybe the Indian dude also taught them how to properly disinfect and keep the worms out of their own feces properly or not use severely inbred breeding stock. It’s not like KBLB is the first to invent a disease free silkworm.
“ Nice post SZ! Looks like, Ken Lee, Jon and Kim signing some important documents in that pic! Show me da’ money! Booyah!”
Perhaps if they were posing in some fancy SpydaSilk shirts instead of those dumb coat jackets people would take them more seriously. KT doesn’t seem to know any more about sales and marketing than he does about mass producing SpydaSilk. You all better hope his learning curve for sales and marketing isn’t nearly as long as it’s been for mass production.
BAM1 and DS spidersilk would be identical since they just bred the DS worms to two different lines of mundane silkworms to produce the BAM1 parent lines. Had to breed back a few generations of these crosses to get the DS gene to be homozygous in each line. I don’t know why anybody thinks it’s a different kind of spidersilk than the original DS.
“Sounds to me like DFS wants to lower price so he can get more shares cheaper......”
Looks like a big seller has already been doing that for him the last couple weeks. There’s been a lot of large block sells pulling the price down lately. Somebody’s obviously unloading into the recent news.
“This board was previously made aware of an email from Ben where he confirmed production is ongoing.”
I have found that KBLB uses the word production rather loosely to mean other things besides the actual production of spidersilk. They could have just been producing eggs or breeding stock or maybe just failed spidersilk experiments and lame PR’s. I mean, how can you be producing silk all this time and have just one lousy Hank to show for it? Makes no sense. But you probably still believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, so, sorry if this reality is raining on your parade.
“Sick Zone already reported GSS was not the location where the silk reported in December was produced.”
It was probably produced at Prodigy since that’s the only faculty known to be in operation at the time. Probably had something to do with the management change there. Don’t know what else Prodigy could have been working on all year since all the hybrid breeding seems to have been happening in Michigan at that time.