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Propylene glycol has a GRAS rating from the FDA. "Generally recognized as safe".
It has been used in asthma inhalers since the 50's.
I can't trade on eTrade... Will scottrade work? What else will work?
For anyone out there that has used the product.
Does the blue light turn on when you puff it? How long does it blow out warm air for?
yep... def not working. Well not a big deal
Not sure why but it's definitely not working. I charged it up properly and I am very familiar with other ecigs so it is surely not an operating error.
I get no heat whatsoever.
Well I received my RE/AL in the mail today and it doesn't work... Kinda pissed about it. Let's see how good their customer service is.
Aerosol doesn't necessarily mean "Spray". It's not a can of spray nicotine.
Smoke is aerosol. Vapor is aerosol.
Technically, an aerosol is a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in a gas. Examples are smoke, oceanic haze, air pollution, smog and CS gas. In general conversation, aerosol usually refers to an aerosol spray can or the output of such a can. The word aerosol derives from the fact that matter "floating" in air is a suspension (a mixture in which solid or liquid or combined solid-liquid particles are suspended in a fluid).
What makes SFIO so much cooler?
But then again it's going to take a minimum of 2-3 years before PM even has a product - Which will in turn cut away at their own tobacco sales.
I think them buying the rights to the technology is them holding it until the eCig industry is large enough that they are ready to release it.
Well...
I think it's a problem for the entire eCig industry. When you have a company like phillip morris given the ability to create a new eCig type product that requires no electricity to work - It's going to be really bad for existing eCig companies.
However SFIO will still have it's niche. The PM product will have vapor, SFIO is vaporless. The PM product will have no heat, SFIO has warmth to it (like a real cig).
I think the PM product is more a danger to the rest of the ecig industry and not necessarily SFIO.
The phillip morris product will prob be identical to the functionality of an ecig.
I mean if it was marketed with therapeutic claims... Such as quit smoking claims.
Since it's not marketed like that - yes you can buy right now.
Very true. The product is a tobacco product.
If they wanted to market it as a "quit smoking" product or carry any therapeutic claims whatsoever the FDA would regulate it is a drug. Which would need pre-market approval to be sold. (which would cost millions of dollars in studies/clinical trials/etc)
So therefor SFIO must follow the regulations of marketing it as a tobacco product.
Gonna have to agree with you here. This stock has really been my entrance in to trading. My only issue is once you sell with eTrade you have to wait 3 days for the funds to settle to be able to buy with those funds.
Definitely a drawback.
When I first used an ecig in a bar 2 years ago - the initial bartender reaction was PRICELESS. She flipped, almost kicked me out.
That's why many ecigs are available in different colors and blue tips.
CJ,
For being the num 1 poster on this board you need to do some research.
The recent FDA ruling states specifically that e-cigs that contain nicotine will be regulated as a tobacco product under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009 and will be subject to those regulations as either a "new tobacco product" or a "modified risk tobacco product".
What do you think the original PR was about that shot this stock up? It was because the FDA decided instead of regulating ecigs as medical device they decided to regulate them as tobacco products.
A simple google search will answer this: Google "fda regulate ecigs tobacco product"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/business/26tobacco.html?_r=1
No that is what it means.
Tobacco products are specifically excluded by law to run on tv ads. SFIO's product is BY DEFINITION a tobacco product.
Hmm... Where do you see this. What are you using for L2?
Nice. Can't wait to get mine. I have used TONS of different ecigs so I feel very confident in my ability to judge the product.
Some big buy orders out there not getting filled - They are going to have to hit the ask to get em! I think this is a good sign :)
Smokers Option does not heat up.
E-Cigs will soon be under same regulations as other tobacco products, which means no flavors except tobacco or menthol.
Flavors could work for smokers option though, considering it is not a tobacco product.
DGTLF and ruyan are the same company. It is still an atomizer but it works different than the ruyan patent I believe. I guess jury will decide - or the companies will settle and pay licensing fees... who knows.
You are right though with the SFIO product - unique no need to worry about the other patent. I'll be back - checking mailbox to see if it came in yet. Just picked up some more shares too. :)
Well the truth is only some of them have to answer to that patent infringement suit by DGTLF.
DGTLF's patent only applies to 3-piece electronic cigarettes with external atomizers. There is another patent out there owned by a company called Loongtotem on the 2-piece (Cartomizer) electronic cigarette - which should bypass any infringement suit from DGTLF.
Which is probably why blucigs switched over to cartomizers as soon as the got news on the lawsuit.
Nicorette is a "DRUG" product marketed for therapeutic purposes.
They achieved FDA approval as a smoking cessation drug, thus it is in a different category and not a tobacco product.
"Under the FD&C Act, the definition of “drug” includes articles intended: (1) for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body. Similarly, “device” is defined to include articles intended: (1) for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body.
Between 2008 and 2010, the FDA determined that certain electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) were unapproved drug/device combination products and detained and/or refused admission to those offered for import by Sottera, Inc. and other manufacturers. Sottera, Inc. challenged that determination in court.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in Sottera, Inc. v. Food & Drug Administration, 627 F.3d 891 (D.C. Cir. 2010), recently issued a decision with regard to e-cigarettes and other products “made or derived from tobacco” and the jurisdictional line that should be drawn between “tobacco products” and “drugs,” “devices,” and combination products, as those terms are defined in the FD&C Act. The court held that e-cigarettes and other products made or derived from tobacco can be regulated as “tobacco products” under the Act and are not drugs/devices unless they are marketed for therapeutic purposes.
The government has decided not to seek further review of this decision, and FDA will comply with the jurisdictional lines established by Sottera."
There will probably be a year or so before the FDA really starts regulating this position.
But I can guarantee you those tv ads won't be around long and if SFIO really wants to "Do it the right way" like Thomas stated in the recent PR, they will abide by these regulations.
The FDA ruling is recent... Many of these commercials are old - the first one being from 2009.
The only way a company can legally advertise an ecig on a commercial now is if it does not contain nicotine.
Ecigs will be regulated under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act which means the FDA has governing roles on how they can be advertised.
Actually... Yes it is a tobacco product. Again, the recent FDA ruling states they will regulate any nicotine containing product as a tobacco product, specifically including ecigs.
Not for long. The recent FDA ruling classifies ecigs as a tobacco product. Which means they fall into the regulation of no TV ads.
Also I believe the one you saw (EZSmoker) a VPCO product, does not contain nicotine. So it would skirt that regulation.
Still can't advertise tobacco products on TV let alone QVC.
What do you mean no one knows what's in the vapor?
The ecig I use is, the liquid is made in the USA. The ingredients are listed on the box. It contains propylene glycol, water, glycerin and artificial flavoring.
I think you misunderstood my post.
QVC has a strict no tobacco policy. SFIO's product is a tobacco product as defined by a recent FDA ruling.
Hence QVC is dead - let's move on.
Then just stop talking about it.
It's not going on QVC. Let's talk about other potential distribution paths besides it - QVC is dead.
QVC is dead. There is no ecig on qvc now and the industry is already valued at 500 million.
Move on.
AUTO and NITE on the ask again....
Here comes the manipulation!
I'm guessing spike now.
I have a feeling PR tomorrow - people don't want to miss the run it will cause.
PR COMING SOON.
Pick up these cheapies while you still can!
I think we're gonna see a big sell of EOD just like yesterday. Then tomorrow maybe some news wll come out that can boost up PPS.