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There’s plenty of “disingenuous sincerity”. I'm right there with you. There are still some things to be hopeful for with this stock.
Yet, there is a constant barrage a lols, unnecessary drivel that seems to be aimed at poking fun of holders, rather than where the attention should be directed which is peeling back the layers to find the disconnects, short falls, and potential “corruption”.
This is like a few others that I hold, where you know that the stock should be doing at least a little better than what it is, but something fishy seems to be suppressing it. Not AT ALL to absolve leadership for missteps or failed opportunity taking. But sometimes theres more than just that.
Maybe. But I think it is only reasonable that the shareholders can request to have a shareholders/investors call. I don't think that would have created any questionable scenarios, if the call is publicized for all to be able to join.
Just as well, they could have transcribed question & discussions, and made it available to the public. I think if they (RVV) try to use that as an out or way to possibly avoid taking questions from the "angry mob" that is just cherry picking to avoid the tough situations, which then seems to indicate a very disheartening pattern.
Yeah, that sounds like a direct shot across the bow to let the "rogue faction" know that Revive is not going to comply with their "demands for answers".
I guess if there is a question that I would want answered from them at this point is if they fully intend to keep their IP and only pursue partnerships, rather than potentially selling it to BP?
But it also sounds like they were trying to be a bit more complete with their information in this last PR.
Don't know if the reddit group has openly stated some of these things. But my guess is that BMT and possibly the Dr. Icham dude may have some sway on that.
It seems like they are doing their best to cast down a gauntlet. I think it is fair that some of these CEOs have their feet held to the fire when needed. The sense I get is that they feel they are untouchable when it comes to small OTC companies like this.
Great find! I think there are a fair amount here that are not surprised by what is in the article.
It even goes on to point out that the FDA was asked about when they knew of the shortcomings. *SURPRISE*, no answer.
It seems this was a heist from the outset. The kingmakers already knew where the approvals, and the money were going to flow to.
So every company that received EUA for a vaccine have all now been identified in some sort of chicanery in which they either covered of data that would be damning to their materials, or straight lied in order to get their items through. Despite being uncovered, there is NO ONE going to jail, or NO ONE being held accountable.
If anything, any one that so much as calls it out are being discredited, or the information is being glossed over as if it was no big deal.
@govprs, at some point you can acknowledge that there is foul play when it comes to Big PHerm, I mean Big Werm, I mean Big Pharm, and the FDA. ~Sounds like a 70's tv show "B.J. McKay and his best friend Bear".
I guess that is a nice, easy, simple-minded way to approach this. You can keep on that train of thought.
I think most of us still hold out hope that it will manifest into something tangible. Sadly though, if the President is going to declare the "COVID emergency" officially over, it lessens the urgency at which this will get looked at with real meaning.
So many of us wonder, how truthful was the process all along? It seems pretty clear what side you take on this, your name kinda spells it out. But as Rick has stated, if you choose to look past the practices as we've seen them play out, and then believe that RVV got that same treatment or have not progressed solely because of something they did/didn't do. That is why you're meeting the resistance in opinion.
I don't consider myself a "talking head", but I will own what I say and what I believe.
With regards to the FDA being corrupt, they are a government run entity. They have already had to admit to taking short cuts, and/or plain and simply not doing their jobs what was one of the most significant things to come through their office in the past 3 years.
With that, I have not said they are "never" going to give RVV the approval. But, I did say that they are going to look out for Big Pharm. You know...the ones who can grease their pockets the most?! If that means moving the goal line, changing the game, etc...
When BP went to them and said, "we have this...", they jumped and said, "Okay! Go ahead and give it out". There was no thorough testing, etc...
But when RVV went to them and said, "We have this...30+ year old remedy" the FDA said, "Wait! Did you test this condition? Did you shake the tree just the way we told you?" When Revive said, "Yes! Here is the proof." They said, "Okay! Let's set up a meeting 3-4 months from now to review." When the 3-4 months passed (2 or 3 times), they said "Oh! The virus has changed, and we're looking for your stuff to do ZYX, not the XYZ that you wanted to show us. Can you show us ZYX?!"
In the meantime, I see those Paxlovid commercials LEFT AND RIGHT!
Did you notice that the article was "received" back in August 2022? It was accepted 8 months after it was received. Even then it was published nearly 3 weeks after being accepted.
This is definitely great information. But it is either so insignificant to someone that it didn't merit being published a whole 8 months after it was written, or it was significant enough that someone didn't want it published.
Am I missing something? Feel free to correct me if my deduction is wrong.
This has been my contention on how the trial and data review has gone.
I certainly acknowledge that Revive has to own a bit of the process. But it is clear that the FDA gets to play king maker. They can control the tempo of the trial, move the target just enough so that the little guys struggle to change course, add a little more to what is required in testing, etc...
Throughout Revive's course we would receive the occasional update that the FDA was going to hand hold them to and through the next phase. But the timelines that we would be given was something crazy like 3-4 months at a time. When that time would lapse, the landscape would have changed just enough that we could see relevancy slipping.
We may never know all of what was truly behind it. Very likely some dropped balls on Revive's part. But in the meantime, the big's were basically being fast tracked left and right, only months or years later to learn that corners were cut in testing, or in some cases data was falsified (bad or damning data was intentionally left out), and they floated through unchecked.
Maybe there is hope yet. But I think most of us now understand that the FDA doesn't truly have the publics best interest at hand.
A few weeks ago you were cheering potential results on, only to lambaste the stock when the latest update came out. Even to the point of calling for .05, trying to put words in others’ posts, and calling people out to try and bet against them. What is the purpose?
We can wait patiently and encourage each other on without the help you’ve given to this point.
My first reaction to this was a little bit of rage at what seems like kicking the pill bottle down the road even more (stalling).
But I re-read it to better understand what they’re asking for. You are correct, this is setting them up nicely for the long-haul treatment. The only question is how quickly can they collect & compile this information then get back to them to move the process along?
But there is still reason to be bothered:
1) They really had to take the entire 70+ days to come back and say that?
2) This update could have done more to help us understand that expected timeline (which hopefully they will do that in an update within the next week or so).
I’m going to hold you to this too! LOL!!
“My millionaire friend from a website bought these MF’er sweatpants for me. I always wanted a pair of MF’er sweatpants, I wear these MF’ers all the time!”
Hooked on Phonics!
Try to read things more carefully.
I definitely fall more into this camp in my belief as well. But that could also just be me as the cynical person that I am (particularly when it comes to matters within government run bureaucracies).
Once those groups are enabled and allowed to strike "backroom deals" then it is right next to game over for the people getting the things that are best for them, rather than what is best for the decision maker.
I don't think many here believe that the Revive product will not be one of the best things made available for the current situation. We all know that the drug poses no threat in terms of its safety of use. We have already heard that it is capable of treating several (many) of the symptoms of COVID and its after effects. It makes no sense that we've had to wait this long for a therapeutic that is safe and presumably effective.
This is good info, regarding Bioxytran. I was going to ask are they are part of one of the BPs? But I see that they are on their own.
In looking at their website, I see this almost right off the bat about their COVID-19 tests:
"...announced the receipt of an Investigational New Drug (IND) authorization letter from India’s Central Drugs Standard Control Organization (CDSCO) to optimize dosage in Covid-19 patients. The trial’s objective is to provide guidance for a 408 patient Phase III trial."
We shouldn't have any issues with only 712 patients having been tested, if the data is good.
Great find!
A major win on this, is while the article mentions that these items will not yet be covered by insurance. Just think of the possibilities if it is found out that this treatment is very effective against PTSD.
With the huge and growing numbers of military members leaving the service with diagnosed PTSD, how long can the government stand by while there is a "known" treatment, or something that can be a serious game changer for PTSD!
If they were to see that it can make a great/positive impact, AND they do the right thing, they would find a way to get funding for this treatment in all the VA hospitals across the country, as well as finding a way to make it an acceptable treatment covered by insurance companies.
I would think if you get the news you want, you get it out there on Monday or Tuesday morning, just a little after you see where the trading sentiment is going. People are already throwing money around.
If I have bad to not-so-great news, I am going to let that one out on a Friday right at the end of the trading day. Hope people forget about it over the weekend. Kinda like sneaking to a suspected abandoned corner when your stomach's been twisting you up all night in that crowded party.
Always a good reminder - Why Doesn't Big Pharma Cara About The Bupkis Product They Give Us?
So in my mind, I don't think it would be wrong at all for Revive to ask for half of that 22 Billion that was spoken of.
If BP is just going to "inherit" the formula, and just have to reproduce it to turn it around to make a profit. Let's say that then turns into a 22 Billion cow for them, it is only reasonable for them to pony up half of what they will make.
I know business doesn't work that way, because BBP will come back and feign legal fees, overhead, yadda-yippee. But they aren't doing the hard legwork. They're basically going to get a free pass to Go. Calling all Monopoly fans.
Could he have possibly been told that what they had *might* work if the data was good enough?
I think about those things as well. Why all of a sudden stop at 712? I think that was answered in a round about way.
Why the holdup on running the information to the DSMB and FDA, IF it was ever determined that the 712 tested patients MAY be enough?
Where was/why the hangup between unblinding the first set of data (and scrubbing the rest of it), until getting the next steps to push forward?
So, I find it not AT ALL surprising when I see the news that the status will change May 11th, and that HHS (another gov't entity) controls the say-so on when EUA approvals through the FDA will end.
Yes, I blame Revive for being a poor company and not necessarily having the full wherewithal for pushing their trials more aggressively. But a much higher percentage of that blame (in my mind) is bound up with red tape.
To be clear on this, I don’t think govprs believes there is corruption in the FDA. So they are kinda poking the stick at a few of us that have been saying the FDA could be playing favorites.
I mean it’s more evident now than ever that they are king makers. But now this latest curtain getting pulled back is getting ready create a $#!+ storm for them and a few others. So they need a winner QUICK. Someone that can pull their behinds out of the fire.
Pfizer SHOULD NOT, under any current circumstances, be trusted to offer any solutions to the current ongoing problem. So where does that leave us?! If the FDA is/were honest, they should turn to the best option they have at a therapeutic as soon as they can.
Walmart is fresh out! But I heard you can get them online at BackRoom@TheStreet
Someone was a lucky bug, and got in bright & early this morning with a .084 bid.
I am at reserve emergency levels only on the dry powder, so I was happy that I got a few more three weeks ago.
Completely and wholeheartedly agree.
I don’t claim to understand the technical and medical aspects of all that is involved. But what I am seeing is just as you say. It’s not like the number of tested patients has gone up. They’ve had all the data, yet the FDA keeps finding reason to reposition them every few months. With each one, it is “we wait another 2/3 months”.
I can certainly appreciate what EcoMike brings to the community with his knowledge of the medical/pharmaceutical industry, but politics is not medical or pharmaceutical. While the FDA started as an entity to moderate food and drugs for the public’s safety. They have shown in the past few decades that they can be bought.
I'm figuring this to be more of a sarcastic take.
But I will say that my statement is not based solely upon stocks or just the market. I am also referring to what seems to be becoming the "norm" for the storylines we see these days.
Whether it is censorship perceived or not, whether it is the enforcement of vaccinations, the dismantling of our military, and first responder units. Whether it is the suppression of information, the changing of facts and data. The list can go on and and, but I know that my posts usually drip thick in cynicism so I am trying not to go overboard.
I would like to trust that back room deals, and secret handshakes, etc... don't determine critical decisions that we (the little people) will then have to live by. But I don't see how Revive is getting the proper handshake. I agree they have not been able to ramp up so they suffer as a result of being a small pharmaceutical company. But honestly, what has changed for them with regards to what information they submitted to the FDA? When was that? If that data was good enough for the FDA at that point in time, why are we seeing chunks of months go by from one step to the next? I thought we were in an "emergency" situation?!?
The question with Bucillamine is not whether it will harm individuals who take it, but the question is about whether it works against COVID. They (FDA) have the results, but they continue to slow walk it. But I still remain Bullish!
I appreciate that feedback!
And by the way, I have never claimed to be an expert. Far from it. But I know when we're being taken behind the woodshed. We've been being taken behind the woodshed for a long time now. Just that the last 3 years have made it abundantly clear that something else is going on.
I am still Bullish! There is still money to be made.
The idea is not that the FDA will drag this out for years. It is that they can place obstacles where needed if BP needs it. Look at the news that just came out about Pfizer increasing their price point.
If I (BP) know that someone (you/RVV) may potentially have something that can open the eyes of people and take them away from my cash cow, I am going to use whatever power & influence I have to make sure that gets delayed until I can milk as much out for my product as possible.
Looking at the way things have taken place for Revive. They originally wanted to test 1000 people, this was agreed upon with the FDA. They struggled to even get a foothold into hospitals to get the number they have now. Most hospitals (like the ones in California) were already "talked to". When I asked about test programs, I was told nothing like that would be allowed. They were already told what they could use and nothing else was being allowed.
Watch Dopesick and say with a straight face (or in full sincerity) that the FDA does not play favorites, does not create obstacles, or for that matter truly has the publics best interest in mind.
I'm guessing that you mean the FDA kicking the can down the road???
I fully expect that. The emergency factor has long gone out the window on this. We can trace back all the clues to:
- Effective at ~insert several COVID symptoms~ CHECK
- Tested for safety CHECK
- Available for mass/easy reproduction CHECK
- (supposed) Emergency need because of mass infection CHECK
Yet, we have continued to see reason after excu...er...reason to push this out a little further.
Look at the idea that they're even trying to raise additional funding (maybe to complete the 1000 trial patients, or other) offering at .15. Yet, just a day or two before that is announced and the SP is at .17/.18, suddenly it nose dives down to .10.
Several of us have continued to speculate that someone/something is pinning this down. There was even speculation that a "deal" was potentially on the table a few months ago, IF RVVTF would receive approval. What happened to that?!?
The blocks and the clues are lining up. *Whoever* now has roughly 60 days to jump in and either undercut this solution with their own, or try to undercut Revive and buy out the IP dirt cheap.
But we're hanging on. In fact I just dropped a few stacks more on this today, likely to take my cart back in tomorrow.
Yeah, the long game speech is not necessary here.
I've been holding long for two years now, and am in no hurry to ditch my shares even if we start to see positive movement. I already understand what a full Phase III trial should require, which is also the reason I haven't allowed any of the "Miracle Jabs" into my body.
My point in the reply is that I am cynical towards the king makers. I no longer trust any of their motives to be genuine for the sake of us as the general population. Too bad that what has been going on has been all about money grabs and wealth transfers.
Especially in light of the uptick in infections. I realize the take gets eye-rollingly old, but this smacks of more slow walking this than anything.
As if they are just keeping Revive at legs length, UNLESS they play ball with one of the bigs and just give up (sell for cheap) their property. This might be the best and most hopeful thing they have in the pipeline, but they are not letting it see the light of day.
I'm shocked that there are still people out there that don't believe the FDA is crooked.
Next you might say that inflation and rising cost of good is all coincidental?
The real questions that should be asked is "Am I part of the 'little people'"? Or will we actually get the opportunity to thrive again with a half-fairly regulated drug (and markets).
There has been manipulation going on throughout time to help certain entities prosper while holding others back. Not sure how anyone could believe that this one government entity is not part of that manipulation/corruption.
I hear you. I am not sitting nearly as heavy as some of the folks here. But enough that if this did REALLY well (say $30-40 pps) then I would have the ability to hop on Trigger and roll-out.
But with regards to money that you are willing to lose. I agree, no one likes to lose money. But with any of these types of investments, they are basically lottery tickets. The only difference to me is you get to hold this ticket until you are no longer willing to hold the ticket. Where the other type is a drawing on 'X' date, and there is rarely a 2nd chance drawing.
This lottery ticket will be in my virtual pocket until I cash out for good winnings, or until I retire/die.
Look! I can't jump in at those levels, But if you start to make that move say something, because I will see where I might be able to chip in. I have been fighting with the idea of jumping back in the pool. I mean, hard not to at these prices.
Have you seen the mini-series "Dopesick" on Hulu?
Such an eye opener with regards to how the back room dealings go on with regards to approving certain things, and how the messaging is constructed, along with who is chosen to deliver the messaging.
This was a peek into the corruption during the Oxy crises, and how things were covered up and allowed to become a bigger problem than it should have been.
That is what has my guard up against the ultimate positive new for Revive, is just how much interference the FDA (or other entities) may run against a company if it gets in the way of the groups they rub elbows with.
I had the Omicron (not sure what software version) variant back in July. All the symptoms mentioned in the article seem about spot on.
But I had this brutal sore throat for the first 2-3 days. I could actually feel what felt like sores in my throat when I would drink or eat.
The fever came along on day 2-4, and most of it was cleared up by about day 7. But the cough and feeling of congestion lasted about 3+ weeks. Still unvaccinated, and good luck to those that would try to sell me on the vaccine now. I will volunteer for most of the therapeutics though.
To your question of why are they trying to redefine the goal posts? I would suggest that big pharm has strong claws on the market. Based on the ever increasing picture of corruption within our government structures today,
I don't think it would be a great stretch to believe that this corruption would include massive kick backs and perks to make sure that one (or two) specific product stays on top. Even if that means a better product surfaces that would be far more effective.
This "little guy" is stuck behind the 8-ball, and at their mercy. The FDA could have given them a hand a long time ago, but that didn't happen. They could have seen the data as effective, especially compared to the other products that they rushed through and force fed to the people, and put it to the forefront of further testing to make sure it got to the public faster. I still don't understand how this has existed for as long as it has, but it was still being as heavily scrutinized as it has been.
I grow more and more cynical each day that the individuals that are allowed to make decisions that heavily impact the masses of Americans (and people worldwide) are in ANY WAY interested in doing what is best for the people, when they themselves stand to benefit so greatly by ignoring that duty.
I am trying to check into more. I have a fill order in just waiting for my price (any time now). But I would still need to see it go to about $30-40 in order to retire.
My problem is that I am cynical regarding the FDA, and all entities involved with making decisions. There are many things that didn't make sense from the very outset of the virus/pandemic.
While I would generally agree, because if there is money to be made then the right (big money) players will magically show up.
But the more cynical side of me sees an alternate reality in which other (or maybe even some of the same) big money players could have just as well been suppressing this to make sure the other big name Pharma's clean house first.
But I hope I am wrong, and that this can get off the ground now within the next few weeks before COVID is virtually dismissed.
Here we go!!!
We-Dey!
It doesn't change with this back scratching stuff. I can't imagine that they have "reformulated" anything to the point where the problems that existed before are any better now.
They didn't test it properly or thoroughly before, and they certainly haven't had the time to test it thoroughly this time. This is a CYA period for Pff...fizer, gifted by the cronies and the FDA.
In the meantime those hoops for RVVTF seem like an endless uphill climb. Just when you think you're getting to the top, you realize it is an illusion and you're really still just going uphill.