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Hi Jane,
Long time no c....
Frank has been very busy promulgating his sanatisiedversion of the world on SI & therefore increasing his censorship activities on his SI thread...
It bothers me, 'cause he is wrong & has sold his soul to the devil assopatch & company.
Guess he is still waiting for the world to end <LOL>
Could be I'm wrong & that he merely collecting dollar$$$$ from his prophet assopatch via the ole' pump & dump with some the very illiquid pos 'dey buy & then unload to the masses who hang over every word on 'da boards.
What more can u expect from an x-broker on wall street.... & his cronies who are tantalized by the scheme???? <ggg>
Regards,
Peter
I guess he's not... LOL
Isopatch..... How are you allocated these days??
Jane
Hi Peter... yeah the link, I've complained about this ... I guess Matt feels the need to hide our miners in a directory called the "free zone," and to be honest, I couldn't find it either - I had to ask.
Oh Hum...
Regards,
Frank P.
Hey Frank,
Thanks for the link :) I somehow how missed that thread or lost the link <ng
Nice to see some of the SI regulars on it.
Regards,
Peter
Hi Frank
I have it book marked and I do read him.
KC
Yeah... about the metals - I've held tight to where I think the value lies - very careful about NAV and exploration potential. I'm running with around 90% of my holdings in three different miners CBD, ELD and WTC (all trade on the TSX)- I also dipped my toes into another Mexican silver play today to raise my exposure to this metal just a notch.
Methinks silver is going to do some catching up, we could even see the gold/silver ratio tighten up substantially over the summer - see CDE move today? - I'm thinking that silver rather than gold is the play of the moment.
Anyway, nice to see you're doing a little living ... take care!
Regards,
Frank P.
Allocated.....verrry carefully. I have stopped trading the metals due to my uneasiness with the charts and they are so unpredictable. Dont want to give any money back ya know. Had nice several month runs in SA golds, BGO, KGC, CDE, GLG. No oil service shares for me.
Been accumulating some well known techs the past month plus.....names like JDSU under $3, CIEN under $5, NXTL under $3, etc. Have a nice little basket for better days.
Occaisionally trading, but busy with real life. Just finished a three week tour of the west (Sedona, Vegas, Reno, Seattle, etc) and am now choosing a colour to paint the house. Been busy with my share of my business (womens fashion line) also and occaisionally checking in on forums here and over at SI.
You asked!
Hope you are well and prospering.
Jane
Well ... Hello Jane! -- So how are you allocated in these treacherous markets nowadays?
Regards,
Frank P.
kc... nice to see you're still checking into the SD thread, but have you checked out "General Mining Discussing" thread?
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=622
Check out a poster that goes by the name of "Metaldog" he's an asshole but a smart one. Well worth reading, he's know his stuff.
Regards,
Frank P.
Hi Frank
Here's some news on V.BRZ, the results of their two holes looks promising.
High Grade Copper Cut in Skarn Zone
7/9/02
BETTER RESOURCES LTD ("BRZ-V;BTRSF-0") - High Grade Copper Cut in Skarn Zone
Better Resources Limited has received analyses from Acme Analytical Laboratories of the core samples from two diamond drill holes on the Blue Grouse property near Campbell River, BC. Both holes were drilled from the same setup just south of the old pit where 20 ton of 12% copper was hand sorted in 1956. Hole BRZ 02-01 was drilled vertically down the western edge of the skarn band that is now interpreted to dip steeply eastward and was terminated in the footwall volcanics at 191 feet. Hole BRZ 02-02 was drilled at minus 45 degrees due East and cut the upper eastern portion of the skarn band before continuing in altered volcanics and terminating in granodiorite at 651 feet. Significant assays are:
Hole From To Intersection Copper % Gold Silver
gm/tonne gm/tonne
BRZ 02-01 26 36 10 ft .70 .0145 2.3
BRZ 02-02 16 21 5 ft 3.33 .356 10.7
These two holes indicate that the copper-bearing skarn zone is steeply to vertically dipping and approximately 25 to 30 feet wide. Additional holes are planned from setups further west that will cut the full width of the zone to depth and along strike, permitting grade and tonnage calculations.
The Benson Lake copper mine 70 miles to the northwest produced 2.6 million tonnes of 1.6% copper with 1.44 g/tonne gold and 4.5 g/tonne silver from a skarn zone over 2.5 kilometers long. The Island Copper mine at Port Hardy had a high grade skarn zone adjacent to the porphyry copper orebody .The porphyry copper potential at the Blue Grouse property, as suggested by the magnetometer survey and humus soil sampling, has yet to be tested.
The company is pursuing funding to continue the program at the Blue Grouse property. TEL: (250) 758 8784
Cliff Rennie FAX: (250) 758 8786
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KC
You are correct sir... I believe SDII tossed the idea of investing in this sector into the trash bin after Russ made an excellent argument to average in. A lot of the argument was T/A based ... my caution was that no sector is immune to crooked CEO's - especially ones that conduct M&A activity. I also worry we could be due for an incident within the gold sector - or maybe I'm a little paranoid... :)
Regards,
Frank P.
Maybe the best thing is to combine the FA guy (or gal) with the TA person.
That way, timing of the entry can be more or less based on the crowd psychology... & if yer wrong on the entry signal, then possibly it won't hurt so much (lessens the regret part of the equation on a risk/reward basis)
Regards,
Peter
We'll I'll tell ya, RW must of got one hell of a spanking - and now he's not talking - he's probably sulking. :) From what I understand he went on vacation for a month ... won't he be surprised when he gets back. Yikes!
Regards,
Frank P.
Hi Frank,
RW is a great @ FA. I remember he was in GOLDS when everyone else thought GOLD was one of those 4 letter words LOL
Anyway, I might be running against the wind, but I tend to discount FA against TA, mainly cause TA reflects the FA<ggg>
I remember somebody once said (or maybe I read it somewhere), that stocks make the market, not the other way around.
Regards,
Peter
Hi Peter... biotech -- all I know is one of the better F/A guys on SI got bullish when the BTK was at 400 (discounting the balance sheet creativity) - figured it was close enuff to the bottom. What I know for sure, is that I move too darn slow to trade with my face squarely in the wind. -- BTK down another 2-1/2% today, so I'd say you're running a little out of step.
Good luck!
Regards,
Frank P.
Hi Frank,
I remember the Chief use to play this one a lot... & I think he probably made a killing @ it & put the freebie shares into the long-term account.
Regards,
Peter
Good afternoon Frank,
<<Peter, I guess we'll see some action today... might not be a good day for bio-tech...>>
I'm still waiting for it to impact my portfolio... <g> so far, DMX.to up 1.0%, ISA.to up 2.0%, NRM.to up 1.0%, SSB.to up 2.4% & VAS.to up 2.6% & that is just for today!
Regards,
Peter
** Buffett goes telecom?
Billionaire investor part of a group backing Level 3 expansion moves.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Billionaire investor Warren Buffett is backing an expansion move by a small telecom company.
http://money.cnn.com/2002/07/08/news/companies/level3/index.htm
Regards,
Frank P.
Peter, I guess we'll see some action today... might not be a good day for bio-tech...
Regards,
Frank P.
Merck Revenues Doubted
NEW YORK (AP) - More than $12 billion in revenue reported by Merck & Co. was never collected by the drug giant's pharmacy-benefits unit, The Wall Street Journal reported.
Merck counted patients' co-payments to pharmacies as revenue generated by its Medco unit, which manages pharmacy-benefit programs for businesses and health insurance companies, the newspaper reported Monday.
Medco, however, did not actually receive those co-payments, which totaled almost 10 percent of its overall reported revenue in 1999, 2000 and 2001.
The company told The Wall Street Journal that its accounting practice meet generally accepted standards and that it also counts co-payment amounts as expenses, meaning the practice does not effect its net income.
The exact amount of reported but not collected revenue — $12.4 billion — was reported in a Friday filing by Merck with the Securities and Exchange Commission ( news - web sites).
The accounting practice itself was reported in an April SEC filing and publicized two weeks ago by the Journal. Merck stock dropped 5 percent, to a five-year low, after the article was published.
There is no indication that the SEC has taken issue with how Merck treats co-payment amounts, the newspaper reported.
The revenue in question is the co-payment paid by consumers with a prescription drug card to their retail pharmacy to cover their portion of the cost of a drug under an insurance plan. The pharmacy keeps the entire amount of the co-payment.
Merck, the world's third-largest drug maker, hurt by slumping profits and a slowdown in its drug pipeline, has been under pressure to spin off its Merck-Medco subsidiary.
With $29.1 billion in revenues last year, the unit generated over half of its parent's overall sales. But Medco's razor-thin profit margin, barely 1 percent, hurt Merck's bottom line.
Medco is the nation's second-biggest pharmacy benefit manager, handling prescriptions for 65 million Americans through retail pharmacies, a mail-order program and its Internet pharmacy.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=514&e=3&cid=514&u=/ap/20020708/ap_o....
Hey Frank,
I like the ability Ihub has to display the chart!
Nice going.
Regards,
Peter
Peter, for the first time since the beginning of civilisation - the biotech index is following the broad markets. Now why is that? Could it be accounting problems? Personally I wouldn't touch this sector until we see two things; one, capitulation ... two, J&J buying up the juniors ten at a time. I'm thinking consolidation in this sector is the inevitable bottom.
Regards,
Frank P.
To:Frank Pembleton who started this subject
From: Frank Pembleton Saturday, Jul 6, 2002 9:02 AM
Respond to of 15296
BIOTECHNOLOGY - INDUSTRY UPDATE -- RESEARCH CAPITAL
http://www.researchcapital.com/document/Morning%20Comment/Ph...
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17699852
Time to start accumulating???
2 of my stocks are on that list... ISA.to & VAS.to
purchased 2 weeks ago.
Regards,
Peter
News Out on V.MOA
Mountain Lake Resources Inc - News Release
Mountain Lake to start exploring Valentine Lake
Mountain Lake Resources Inc MOA
Shares issued 14,567,314 Jun 25 2002 close $ 0.63
Wednesday June 26 2002 News Release
Mr. Allen Sheito reports
MOUNTAIN LAKE COMMENCES DRILL PROGRAM TO COMPLETE 50% EARN-IN ...
Mountain Lake Resources will immediately commence a diamond drilling program on its Valentine Lake gold property located in Newfoundland. Once the program is completed in late July, 2002, Mountain Lake will have earned a 50-per-cent interest in the property. The program will focus on two areas, the Leprechaun Pond and Valentine East prospects.
Gold mineralization, associated with quartz veining, silicification and pyrite, was initially discovered in outcrops by BP Canada in 1986 while following up anomalous gold in soil anomalies near the contact between the Rogerson Lake conglomerate and trondjemite. Subsequent exploration between 1987 and 1991 focused on evaluating gold anomalies elsewhere along the contact. BP Canada completed 47 holes totalling 5,975 metres on the property. Mountain Lake completed a further 29 holes totalling 4,215 metres in 1998 and 1999.
The Leprechaun Pond deposit has been drill tested with 49 drill holes over a strike length of three kilometres. Higher-grade intersections of 9.1 grams per tonne of gold over 9.6 metres and 14.9 grams per tonne over 2.1 metres are found in wider zones of lower grade mineralization of 4.6 grams per tonne gold over 23.1 metres and 2.1 grams per tonne gold over 29.5 metres. The zone remains open along strike and at depth.
Gold mineralization at the Valentine East prospect, located along the same geological contact approximately 12.5 kilometres to the northeast, is the same as at Leprechaun Pond. Previous trenching carried out by BP Canada uncovered gold mineralization assaying up to four grams per tonne gold over four metres in channel sampling and up to 25.4 grams per tonne gold in grab samples. Mountain Lake drilled 12 holes and detected two parallel zones of gold mineralization in the area.
The Valentine Lake property consists of 178 square kilometres covering a 25-kilometre strike length of the mineralized contact. Mountain Lake signed an option in 1999 to earn a 50-per-cent interest in the property by spending $750,000 in exploration expenditures. In order to acquire the remaining 50-per-cent, Mountain Lake will have to spend an additional $2.5-million by July, 2006, and pay Noranda a 3-per-cent net smelter royalty on gold and a 2-per-cent net smelter royalty on base metals.
Allen Sheito, president and chief executive officer of Mountain Lake, stated: "I am very excited about the enormous potential of this property. The overall strike length of Valentine Lake exceeds 25 kilometres and only 20 per cent of the mineralized contact has been drill tested to date. The objective of this drilling program is to test other geophysical-geochemical targets on the property and I am confident that we will be successful."
I picked up a junior gold the other day V.YPM that might move with the POG. No production yet but I think it's not too far away. MOA should have a release on their drilling program at Valentine Lake in the next week or two.
KC
Hi KC ... thanks for the link -- geez... some of those rocks look kinda big - how much money would all of that cost?
Looks like the gold stocks are moving up in anticipation of another big move in the POG - are you ready to rrrrumble?
Regards,
Frank P.
Hi Frank
Here's a picture of some of the diamonds EET and MOA are picking up out of the gravel in South Africa.
http://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/viewmessage.asp?stat_num=5284276&all=0&t=0&archived...
KC
Changing Preferences
The Velocity of Money & The Short Seller's Nightmare
by James J. Puplava
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/oldupdates/2002/0614.htm
** Don Coxe For This Week
RealMedia:
http://207.61.47.20:8080/ramgen/archivestream/dcoxe.rm
The loonie's new tune
DONALD COXE
Last week, I raised the question of the possible onset of a good news/bad news bear market -- the U.S. dollar. The dollar's slide since January has been good news for Canadians, Australians and Europeans, and has been bad news for holders of U.S. stocks and bonds.
How did the U.S. dollar get so overvalued that it could be subject to a major bear market? In large measure, the dollar's overvaluation was a side effect of the financial excesses of the 1990s. The dollar benefited big time from the tech stock boom, as investors worldwide poured money into the U.S. to get in on the greatest bull market of all time. America had the best technology, the best investment banks, the best media, and the best economic and political environment. Naturally, these superlatives meant the U.S. had the best currency. What is a currency but a paper encapsulation of a nation's economic, political and financial accomplishments?
Nor was the foreign ardour for U.S. assets confined to stocks. The stronger the dollar got, and the more prestigious Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan became, the more foreign investors wanted to acquire U.S. bonds.
So great was this shared enthusiasm that global investors chose to ignore the obvious: the U.S. had the industrial world's lowest savings rate, and the world's largest trade deficits. U.S. manufacturing was engaged in outsourcing on an unheard-of scale because it was so broadly uncompetitive. The greenback was the IOU of a nation that had made an art form of the lifestyle of living beyond one's means.
In recent weeks, global investors have begun an agonizing reappraisal of their U.S. risks. They are heavily weighted in U.S. stocks -- and the U.S. has been the worst-performing of major markets. They find themselves heavily weighted in U.S. bonds whose coupon rates don't cover the depreciation in the U.S. currency since January, let alone what could lie ahead. U.S. short-term interest rates are in the two per cent range -- lower than virtually anywhere except semi-comatose Japan. A two percentage point rise in the euro wipes out a year's income at these trivial rates.
Global institutional investors tend to think currency first, stock valuations second. They know that a big currency move can wipe out whatever edge they might have achieved through good luck or good stock-picking. They also know their clients are acutely aware of currency swings. That recognition was a reason managers kept pouring more money into U.S. stocks even when they complained that the U.S. was by far the most expensive stock market in the world: in traders' jargon, they were skated onside by the currency. Now, with the softening U.S. dollar, they find themselves skating toward open water.
They are already cutting back sharply on new inflows into U.S. assets. The real pain for the dollar will come if they get scared and start to become sellers. The need to finance the $1.7-billion-a-day current account deficit then becomes an overarching problem for the global financial system.
What's bad news for greenbacks is good news for loonies. The Canadian dollar didn't deserve its recent, ignominious valuation. The nation was already recovering from its long years of folly, and it had a new central bank governor who was tough, smart and candid about what made economies tick and currencies perform. If it hadn't been for the last, orgiastic rush into the U.S. dollar, the loonie would never have gotten to 62 cents (and the euro would never have gotten down to 84 cents).
The most obvious effect of the dollar's descent to date is the new global enthusiasm for gold. Gold usually trades inversely to the value of the dollar -- the currency that replaced it as the store of value at Bretton Woods 58 years ago. Should the dollar's decline become a rout, gold will soar.
Foreigners are stepping up their purchases of Canadian equities, wanting to get relatively cheap stocks in a very cheap currency. That process takes a long time to build momentum, because Canada is a small, somewhat overlooked market. But Canada's weight in global stock indices has begun to rise as Canadian stocks outperform U.S. stocks and the loonie surfaces. That process eventually becomes self-reinforcing as even more foreigners rush to load up on the new North American winning investments. Canadian stocks give foreigners access to the U.S. economy at lower price-earnings ratios and in a stronger currency. The Toronto Stock Exchange should be one of the world's best stock markets in the next year.
Naturally, Canadians are the last to believe the worm has turned. A leading Canadian economist recently described his investment strategy as "getting the hell out of Canada into the U.S.," a pronouncement that offers new evidence that economists rarely make capable investment advisers.
In the currency world, what goes down drives something else up.
Plan on a bargain southern vacation next winter.
Donald Coxe is chairman of Harris Investment Management in Chicago and of Toronto-based Jones Heward Investments.
http://www.macleans.ca/xta-asp/storyview.asp?viewtype=search&tpl=search_frame&edate=2002/06/...
To:t4texas who wrote (14091)
From: t4texas Saturday, Jun 8, 2002 12:36 PM
Respond to of 14095
fyi on japan input
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20Financial%...
Japanese Stocks May Drop; Hong Kong, Korea Seen Down: Outlook
By Michael Tsang
Tokyo, June 8 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese stocks may fall next week, led by retailer Ito-Yokado Co. and other companies that rely on domestic sales, on concern a recovery in the world's second- largest economy may not be strong enough to bolster profit.
``The economy still lacks the strength to make me confident about investing in domestic-related stocks,'' said Hideki Kamiya, who manages $80 million at Asahi Tokyo Investment Trust Management Co. He favors small and medium-sized companies that have shown strong earnings outlooks, such as underwear maker Gunze Ltd.
Exporters such as Sony Corp., Canon Inc. and Sharp Corp. may drop on expectations a U.S. retail sales report due June 13 will show consumers in their biggest market are spending less.
Elsewhere, Hong Kong stocks may drop on anticipations the city's companies may post lower profit growth than elsewhere in the region. Samsung Electronics Co. may lead South Korea's chipmakers lower on concern demands for chips and computers are slowing.
Markets in Australia are closed for a national holiday on Monday, the Philippines will be closed Wednesday and South Korean markets are shut Thursday.
U.S. stocks dropped on Friday after semiconductor maker Intel Corp. cut its sales forecast, sending the Dow Jones Industrial Average to its lowest close since Nov. 12. Benchmark indexes in the U.S. slipped for a third week.
In Japan, the government said the economy grew 1.4 percent in the first quarter as exports rose at the fastest pace in 21 years. Even as officials said the worst of the recession is over, spending on factories and equipment fell 3.2 percent after dropping 12 percent in the fourth quarter. That's raised concern the economy may shrink again later this year.
`Difficult'
``Right now it's difficult to see how the Japanese economy can support itself,'' said Hajime Yagi, who helps manage about $1 billion in Japanese stocks at Meiji Dresdner Asset Management Co.
That may prompt overseas investors to sell companies that depend on domestic sales such as Ito-Yokado, Japan's largest retailer, and Nomura Holdings Inc., the nation's No. 1 brokerage.
Mizuho Holdings Inc. may lead other banks lower on concern the slumping economy will make it more difficult for borrowers to repay their debts. Standard & Poor's Corp. said on Thursday that Japanese banks have as much as 150 trillion yen ($1.2 trillion) in problem loans.
``I want to avoid banks because at the end of the day, their bad loans and management problems still remain, in spite of optimism about the economy,'' said Yukihisa Sanada, who helps manage 10 billion yen at UAM Japan Inc. His holdings in automakers and computer-related stocks are below the Topix's 9.2 percent and 16.5 percent weightings, respectively.
Hong Kong, Korea
Cheung Kong (Holdings) Ltd. may lead Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index lower on concern corporate profit growth in Hong Kong may be lower than South Korean and Taiwanese companies.
With unemployment at a record, stalled consumer spending will delay a rebound in Hong Kong's economy and corporate earnings. Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Asia Ltd. expects average corporate earnings to increase 10 percent this year in Hong Kong, compared with a 50 percent to 60 percent growth in Korea and Taiwan.
``If you look at the 33 members in the index, you're not going to see a big upside surprise,'' said Peter Churchouse, advisory director at Morgan Stanley Asia Ltd. ``It's not a robust growth story here.''
Investors may steer away from Samsung Electronics Co. and other computer-related shares on signs that overseas demand for chips and computers isn't recovering as quickly as expected.
The Kospi on Friday fell to its lowest close in more than three months, led by Samsung Electronics, after Intel Corp. lowered its sales forecasts. Separately, the Semiconductor Industry Association this week cut this year's chip-industry growth forecast by almost half.
Late Recovery?
``The market consensus is leaning toward the U.S. market recovering later than anticipated,'' said Lee Young Seog, who manages about $450 million at Dongwon BNP Investment Trust Management Co. in Seoul. ``The market is in a downward turn and there is nothing in view that will change that momentum.''
Some investors in Taiwan say the pessimism isn't warranted.
``Electronics stocks should have a chance to rise,'' said Lin Che-cheng, who manages $97 million in stocks at Capital Trust Investment Corp. ``Every one is pessimistic about the third quarter, the way they were over-optimistic about the first and second quarters.''
Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. may gain as the island's largest computer-parts maker may forecast on Monday that sales will rise this year because of an addition of new customers and products such as mobile phones and game consoles.
Singapore, Australia
In Singapore, where citizens can use about three-quarters of their retirement savings to buy homes, property stocks including City Developments Ltd. and CapitaLand Ltd. may extend declines. The government may announce plans to limit the use of pension funds for home purchases as early as next week.
``We don't see a recovery in the property sector so soon because of concerns over unemployment and limiting the use of pension funds is going to hurt sentiment,'' said Tan Yuh Harn, who helps manage about $2 billion of assets in Asia excluding Japan, at SGY Asset Management Ltd. in Singapore.
National Australia Bank Ltd. and the nation's other lenders may gain as the government may report that home loan approvals rose 1 percent in April. The Reserve Bank of Australia on Wednesday raised its benchmark interest rate for the second time in a month to cool a housing boom and consumer demand.
As the economy continues to expand, ``we should see a rotation away from consumer lending toward the business sector lending,'' said Tom Murphy, head of investment research at Deutsche Private Banking in Sydney. ``We should see continuing improvement in the quality of banks' earnings.''
To:Frank Pembleton who started this subject
From: George S. Cole Saturday, Jun 8, 2002 2:00 PM
Respond to of 14095
Warren Buffett and Bear Markets
"Unless you are involved in the arcane trivia of the markets, you may
not have noticed that Warren Buffett just sold a remarkable piece of
paper. Dennis Gartman (of the exceptionally well-written Gartman
Letter) tells us: "It is a convertible debt issue, carrying a 3%
coupon, with an attached warrant that will allow the buyer to "call"
from Berkshire shares at approximately 12.5$ above the level that
Berkshire "A" shares sold at two weeks ago. In order to keep the
warrant alive, however, the buyer will pay to Berkshire an annual
fee of 3.75%. In other words, Berkshire has sold debt with an annual
negative interest rate of .75%...retaining the right to sell shares
at a substantive premium to today's price! We can only recall the
Swiss government having been able to make such a grand debt issue,
doing so back sometime in the late 70's or early 80's to the best of
our knowledge, when money was flowing to Switzerland as a safe haven
and the Swiss tried to stem that tide by offering a negative
coupon."
Think about that. Supposedly sane institutional investors are going
to pay Buffett for the right to take their money. Berkshire is such
a proxy for the stock market that you have to be a major bull to
enter into such a transaction.
I for one cannot figure out why anyone in their right mind would do
this. There are certain rules in life: you don't play poker with
guys called Blackie, you don't shoot pool with fat guys called Slim,
and you don't take the opposite bet against Buffett.
Berkshire has all the money it needs. Why would Buffet risk serious
dilution of his shares by selling these relatively cheap options if
he really thought his stock was going to rise? I think he decided to
take advantage of a few optimists and add to his bank account. He
has got to be chuckling to himself late at night over this one.
The obvious implication is that he thinks we are in for a prolonged bear market."
John Mauldin
To:SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (14082)
From: Jim Woolly CB Saturday, Jun 8, 2002 12:28 PM
Respond to of 14095
two key factors worsen over time, still pressing gold up
real rate of shorterm interest
now consensus building that FedFunds will remain 1.75%
so 3-mo TBill yield minus inflation minus taxes is zero
it has been near zero since Oct 2001, big big motive for gold
trade gap widening by the month
as it approaches 5% of US GDP, mounting pressure on dollar
big big motive for 15% dollar haircut trimming
I hear you on the care taken to guard profits in miners
but the dollar has a long way to go down
it is now sitting treacherously at 111, below 112 critical support level
I expect 108 will soon be reached for the US$
gold miner stocks are coming off absurd historical lows
easy money is done for sure
after some consolidation over time, however, resumption
miners are not just getting too far ahead of physical gold
they have made up for some absurd undervalue neglect
each factor must be considered
marginal mines are now economical
holding company mines are now marginal
these are 10-fold valuation thresholds imho
more gains are coming in future months
but not quick new doubles
when #330 is breached, when US$ 110 is breached...
GOLD WILL GO POSSIBLY BALLISTIC
then come the $25 jumps Hathaway expects on given days
I believe more big gains are coming
but perhaps not in early summer, gold's low season
quickly arrives gold's high season, which is mid-autumn
my understanding is that gold's high is linked to Christmas jewelry purchases
good luck, good work, good riddance Strong Dollar
/ jim
Excellent post by SliderOnTheBlack...
(jeez I hope I'm not turning into a hog... <gulp>)http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17575562
["Slider,- Is Cramer saying he'd be buying some Barrick the sell signal you were looking for?"]
No.
I'll repeat as I always do... I like and respect Cramer very much... he's a bright guy; but like all of us - he has his limitations... and he hasn't a clue on PM's, or Gold and is stuck in ancient stereotypical preconceptions from his early Soylent Green imprinting at the hands of GoldmanSuchs.
All he's doing is playing a CYA card... covering his ass on his prior poo-pooing of all things GOLD - which he is CLEARLY on record for having done.
Cramer forgot that Gold has been money for thousands of years.
Gold is money, was money ... and will always be MONEY.
For any serious market pundit to poo-poo Gold; is to poo-poo the foundation of the entire currency market - and that is obviously ignorant.
Gold is money - and that is beyond debate by any sane person.
Gold is a currency; no different than the Swiss France, the Japanese Yen, the Euro, or the US Dollar.
But unlike all of these other paper forms of money; Gold is REAL - it can't be created upon rolls of charmin rolled thru green ink at the whim of a minipulative Central Banker...and thru thousands of years, thru scores of crisis; gold has always remained the currency of last resort in times of crisis.
So the first question we need to ask; is - are we in a time of crisis ?
...obviously given the collapse of a now universally acknowledged market bubble and given the geopolitical state of affairs... that is obviously a rhetorical question (vbg).
But, that brings up question #2 - re: Cyclicals:
HAS THE BIG & EASY MONEY/PROFITS...ALREADY BEEN MADE ?
And that is the $64 question here for those of us - who were in at the bottom - ie: "always beat the crowd to the party - but,never, never - EVER; be caught hanging around at last call"...
On a risk vs reward basis - I'd have to say - yes; it has.
We've had 3,4,5 baggers in the small caps & pretty much at least doubles in the large caps. Given the negative broad market returns over the same time frame... I'd say that would qualify for "Pigs get Fat, but Hogs get Slaughtered" warning bell time...
To me; the time has arrived to NOT allow significant retained profits to be given back. Using stops and taking "some" profits on rallies is prudent coming off the type of move this sector has made... always has been, is ... and always will be.
We all grow thru experience in every facet of our lives.
Investing is no different.
The biggest lesson I've learned is that cyclical investing is the epitome of contrarianism and is entirely sentiment driven.
The price of stocks is not determined by earnings, PE multiples, or growth rates... prices are fundamentally determined by supply and demand; which in turn is driven by sentiment.
Sentiment is always the key.
Knowing & quantifying sentiment and sensing the beginnings of any significant shifts in sentiment - are the key to contrarian and/or cyclical investing.
Imho; we just now seeing the gradual shift from the market pundits openly poo-pooing the move in Gold & PM's; to realizing that this is something more than just a temporary abberation, or passing fancy.
Fund managers (Cramer as well) are now feeling the pressure of reality, from the undeniable market outperformance by Gold & PM funds and they now have to show some gold stocks in their portfolio's and they can no longer come off as anything other than a fool, or a cheap charlatan Spin Doctor when they poo-poo Gold.
We are in the Institutional Accumulation Phase - which usually favors the large cap/high liquidity names like NEM.
But, that does not mean - that we couldn't retrace 20-25% in days from either a concerted effort to cap Gold here by the Fed & the Gold Cabal, or from profit taking off of a feel-good catalyst/event - such as the capture of Bin Laden and or a Peace Settlement between Israel/Palestine, or India/Pakistan... all though - the underlying fundamental drivers for a higher gold price are not just global tensions....it's about the inevitability of a weaker dollar, the foreign repatriation from the US Market, the derivative/short position in Gold & Silver, ramping money supply and the myriad of geopolitical events that make a flight to safety, a given...
Barrick's Oliphant on Kudlow & Cramer; acknowledged that the median price for Gold over the last 10 years has been $380.
Gold has ONLY been in a quote/unquote "20 year Bear Market" - if one starts drawing a trendline from the parabolic top of 1980.
... that would be the same as starting any future Tech Stock trendline from the peak of NAZ 5100.
Can, or will we go higher ?
Certainly.
Obviously a move to $380 would ONLY be a revision to a 10 year mean.
But, given the returns that Gold/PM's have generated here - especially in a negative market enviornment... why get greedy.
Use stops, flip some (not all) profits taken; into some out of the money - outlying calls. This allows one to maintain exposure to any speculative upside and leverage to that opportunity; while simultaneously defining exposure and limiting risk - with the motherlode of profits already sitting in the cash register.
It won;'t bother me at all if I only have 5-10% portfolio exposure (vs. 60% presently)should any speculative upside parabolic move occur.
2,3,4,5 baggers in the bank during this time in market history...IS something to crow about.
Just put a plan in place - so you don't give it all back as sooooooo many did in the prior OSX cycles.
Pigs get Fat, but Hogs get Slaughtered and Chihuahua's - ALWAYS become ROADKILL...
Be smart, be patient, don't be greedy; have a healthy dose of fear & respect for the enemy and above all - REFUSE to give back ANY significant degree of retained profits from this cycle.... REFUSE to.
Some really nice posts on your thread @ the other board Frank...
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17576286differences from last few recessions, this is structural
not just a busted bubble, but entire environment different
past recessions were part of the business cycle, driven by peaks in shortages, high product prices, high interest rates employed to forestall unacceptably high demand, with both commodities (oil, etc) and goods (clothing, etc) in shortage
the "cure" was lower interest rates and accumulation of added debt
current recession is far more pernicious, with subterranean forces that BEAR no resemblance to the past cycles
this is a structural imbalance, driven by excess mfg capacity, excess IT and business equipment online, excess product inventory, excess debt load overhang, low prices, widespread liquidation, debt collapse, bankruptcies
the "attempted cure" has been sharply lower rates, which are met by lukewarm if not lethargic demand for yet further debt, since households and businesses have a surplus of debt already, and forecasted nearby marginal demand growth is minimal at best
inventory levels will ebb & flow here, and somewhat low now
but the remarkable overlooked measure is inventory ratio
it is still unchanged, since demand is slack, WOW !!!
(akin to still high PE's for stocks, since lower earnings)
sorry, GreenSpasm, but you are locked in a corner
the supposed "economic experts" cannot detect the subtle differences
heck, these are glaring differences
we are now into the third year of Liquidation Phase
without unprecedented 30-35% increase in Fed Money Supply, we would see BREAD LINES forming and 15% unemployment
just like 1930-32
by the way, dont trust any unemploymt figures now
the hedonic process has now seen fit to exclude Transportation sector layoffs from such calculations
dont wanna make the numbers too bad, now
might frighten the fragile consumers
(first to the CPI, now unemployment)
as a wise man once said
ONCE THE LIQUIDATION PHASE TAKES HOLD, IT WILL NOT STOP UNTIL IT IS COMPLETE
continued horrible pricing power will hurt earnings
continued decline in dollar will hurt stock valuations and domestic economic growth
distrust of the financial WallSt system will hurt fund inflows
meanwhile, bankrupt victims will continue to dominate news
here is a decent list of further bankruptcy risks
compliments of Barrons and Weiss
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=17570846
the doorjam to the Golden Parlor gonna get broken
/ jim
KC... have you seen this site?
http://www.diamondplay.com/
Regards,
Frank P.
"Is this the bottom?" Gees I don't know???!!!! I would have thought the bottom would have come sooner, but I've never been able to read NT. I'm sure they will go up again if they can ever stop going down.
Picked up a little junior mining co. today V.YPM. They've got a good chunk of property, but that's about all. Know anything about them? Here's their last PR.
http://www.adviceforinvestors.com/$main$nobody,,17056550$642cf0345ac8/press_release.phtml?symbol=YPM...
43 million shares though, that does concern me.
KC
** It's Silver's Time to Shine
Interview by Donna Guzik
The demand for silver both as an industrial material and as a precious metal seems to be on the rise which could send the price of this often ignored commodity soaring says Pan American Silver Chairman & CEO Ross Beaty
Summary
Pan American Silver (PASS-Nasdaq),(TSX:PAA)is a mining company based in Vancouver, BC.
Pan American controls silver reserves and resources in Peru, Mexico, Russia, Bolivia, Montana, California and Arizona totaling more than 613 million ounces.
The price of silver has been volatile over the past year plunging to a 26 year low of $4.23 an ounce, but recently reaching a two year high of $5.13.
Pan American's average cost to produce an ounce of silver was $3.84 in Q1.
Silver is tied to two things, demand for industrial use, and for investment as a precious metal.
As an industrial metal, it's heavily impacted by world industrial production.
As a precious metal there is a renewed sentiment towards precious metals by investors.
In the last three years China has dumped silver on to the world market by selling surplus mine production and silver inventories which has help to depress the price of silver.
Pan American Silver is trying to encourage the domestic Chinese market to buy silver, so there is not so much of it floating in the world market.
One way to encourage silver into the domestic market is to advertise the marketing of Chinese jewelry and silverware.
India right now drives the silver market from the standpoint of silverware and jewelry, they are the largest silver consumer, it is used as wealth and as an adornment.
The problems in Kashmir with Pakistan has probably increased the appetite of having silver as a tangible investment, it will always be saleable.
In Pan American Silver's latest quarter earnings, Q1 net losses were $1.5 million compared to $4.4 million for Q4 2001 as a result of cost cutting measures.
PanAmerican prides themselves on being the purest silver producers worldwide.
Beaty is optimistic that silver prices will rise this year as demand for silver as an industrial and a precious metal increases.
http://www.investorcanada.com/interview.php?contentID=949
KC, sorry to hear about the losses... but it can't be as bad as some of the people that call the business radio programs and say they bought Nortel at $60. "Is this the bottom?"
TIGHT STOPS!!! -- I normally allow 20% with juniors and 10% to 15% on big caps before I throw in the towel. If I can't make money from the get-go -- I'm out.
Regards,
Frank P.
Hi Frank
Last year was a bad year for me, watching every stock I had dwindle to just about nothing. I held onto a POS V.SOP waiting for the big recovery that was always just a couple of weeks away. I have since moved most of the balance of what little I had left into V.MOA and T.EET. My money has now tripled and I expect another triple befor yearend. Diamonds and gold seem to be the place to be right now. I will be looking for some junior oils though in Sept./Oct.
I really expected junior metals to be doing much better than they are right now. It may still happen this fall unless we get some kind of run this summer although I would be surprised.
KC
** THE PAPER AGE
by John Myers
In my 17th year I spent the summer working with our neighbor Mr. Lynch. Our project: to encircle a quarter section of land with rail fences.
Lionel Lynch had the best stories. He was a World War II Veteran and a self-made millionaire. He was also an old- time farmer who drove a beat-up Ford truck. Riding along in the truck he used to tell me about the landing at Normandy beach, the push through France and a German sniper's bullet that missed his heart by inches. I remember asking and then being allowed to see the scar.
One windless day in August, the sun was grueling. Mr. Lynch drove the claws of his hammer into a post and said, "Time for a break." He went to the back of his pick-up and threw-off the gunny-sack that was covering a gallon of Mrs. Lynch's homemade iced tea. We sat on the hood of the truck and old Lionel surveyed the rolling tide of ripening wheat fields that stretched to the foothills.
He dug into his greasy coveralls and reached for his zigzag papers and a pouch of tobacco. Within seconds he had fashioned a cigarette, snapped a match to life from his boot and inhaled a big drag.
"This is a wonderful land we live in," said Mr. Lynch. "And they ain't making anymore of it."
It may not have seemed that way during the 1980s when the rolling recession plowed a deep gouge into farmland prices. In Alberta a section of land that would grab $1,000 in 1980 would fetch only half of that a few years later. It was the same throughout North America where not only land, but hard assets across the board fell into steep retreat.
Metals - base, precious and strategic - dropped precipitously in the 1980s, as did grains, cotton and almost everything else from hogs to coffee. The CRB Index of commodities fell by almost a third between 1980 and 1985.
The age of paper had arrived and it seemed not only profitless, but downright stupid, to hold anything else.
Beginning with a broad rebound in the Blue Chips in the 1980s and continuing with the NASDAQ in the 1990s, the stock market was the only game in town. At silver's high in 1980, nine ounces of the white metal would buy you a single share of the Dow Industrials. By 1999 you needed a wheelbarrow to carry 2000 ounces of silver to buy one share in the Dow.
Yet, something very strange has been happening over the past couple of years. The stock market has staggered, while hard assets have been moving up slowly but surely.
So what exactly is happening? I think I have the answer, and it relates back to that summer's day with Mr. Lynch.
A few years later, economics professors in big auditoriums using fancy charts and complex names would teach it to me. But it was the same lesson, one of supply and demand. As the supply of anything grows, from apples to atom-busters, the price of it falls. Now this is where it gets interesting.
The only thing that has been really growing by gangbusters over the past 10 years is paper...money, US dollars.
In 1992 M3, a broad-based measure of dollars, stood at $4.2 trillion. Currently M3 totals about $8.1 trillion dollars, or almost double what it was a decade ago. If we take the much smaller measure of currency in circulation we see that during the same period it has grown from $267 billion to a shade under $600 billion. That's correct, there are more than twice as many greenbacks circulating in the world today as there were 10 years ago.
Now let's compare that to the amount of gold in the world. Each year miners deliver about 50 million new ounces of gold from the ground. That adds about one-half of one percent to the world's total reserve of gold. Roughly speaking, the amount of above-ground gold has grown from 9.5 billion ounces to 10 billion ounces over the last ten years. That means while the number of dollars has doubled in a decade the amount of gold has risen by only 5%!
To give you an idea of how much gold is produced each year: the entire annual harvest could be put into an 18- square-foot cube. The cold hard truth is that gold supplies are growing at less than 1/10th the rate of the U.S. money supply.
It is the same for almost every commodity. Water is in critically short supply, as is arable land. That means that repeating the Green Revolution of the 1950s and '60s is all but impossible. World grain farmland increased until 1980. It has been on a steady decline since. The reason? Take your pick - soil erosion, waterlogging and salting of irrigated land, air pollution and water shortages.
Less water, less food, and, it seems, fewer mineral deposits.
Paul van Eeden, a stockbroker at Global Resource Investments, understands the growing scarcity of hard assets. "Let's look at an example of depletion and discovery. Worldwide copper consumption is about 33 billion pounds per year," writes Paul. "To put that in perspective, the biggest copper mines in the world contain on the order of 20 to 30 billion pounds of copper, which means that our annual consumption depletes the equivalent of one major copper deposit a year."
The drawdown in global mineral reserves has resulted in mineral companies slashing their exploration budgets. According to the Metals Economics Group, total worldwide nonferrous exploration was $5.2 billion in 1997.
But mineral exploration expenditures declined by 29% in 1998, 24% in 1999 and another 7% in 2000. That brings the total exploration expenditure at the beginning of the millennium to only $2.6 billion, 50% of what it was only three years prior. Mineral exploration is not keeping up with the historical norm.
Demand for hard assets is soaring. The Developing World is bent on creating its own Industrial Revolution. That means massive amounts of raw materials are needed.
For example, if China were to pursue "an automotive economy" similar to the US as they proposed in 1994, there would be a resource boom like no other we've see in history. "If the Chinese were to drive as many per capita passenger miles as Americans currently do each year," Benjamin R. Barber in the book Jihad vs. McWorld "it would take only five years to use up all the earth's known energy reserves."
In my book, a soaring demand for natural resources of every variety in the face of dwindling supplies coupled with an avalanche of paper dollars makes up a very simple equation. And if Mr. Lynch were still around today, I believe he would come to a similar commonsense conclusion - the value of hard assets is set to soar against a sorry U.S. dollar.
Yours for opportunity,
John Myers,
for The Daily Reckoning
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/
KC, howzit going... has Mr. Market stopped you out of anything yet? A couple of my favs are holding up well in this latest heartbreak .... Anooraq (ARQ.V) First Point Minerals (FPX.V) and Western Copper Holdings (WTC.TO)
Here's an interesting story on the possible upcoming shortages in the metals:
Molybdenum price panic continues, market soars
By Martin Hayes
LONDON, June 5 (Reuters) - The unprecedented rise in molybdenum prices continued in Europe on Wednesday, with a panicky market soaring to levels last seen over seven years ago, amid a scramble for scarce supplies.
Traders said a welter of production cuts and curtailments at major copper producers in North and South America and reduced Chinese exports have had an involuntary impact on molybdenum, which is a by-product metal.
"There are just no concentrates around -- it is a real shortage here," one UK trader said.
"No-one can say with any certainty what the price should be - it changes a couple of dollars in a few hours," a trader in Europe said.
Molybdenum oxide (MLY-OXIDE-LON), which is used mainly as an alloying additive in steel production to enhance strength and corrosion resistance, was around the $8.00/9.00/lb on Wednesday, the highest since April 1995.
Oxide values have risen some $3.00 from late last week, having been as low as $2.25 a lb in late 2001.
Western origin ferro-molybdenum (MLY-FERRO-LON) is also around the highest since April 1995 at $18.00/19.00/kilo.
COPPER CUTBACKS RESPONSIBLE
Western output has been hit by both reduced production from primary mines and less by-product availability from copper miners who reduced output late last year in the face of a weak copper market.
By-product molybdenum accounts for around 60 to 70 percent of total output.
There was a spate of production cuts in 2001 by major copper producers, which was followed by a period when there were no major output curbs.
Over the last week, however, BHP/Billiton (London:BLT.L - News) has cut output by 80,000 tonnes at its majority owned Escondida copper mine in Chile, Grupo Mexico has said it will shut operations at its Cananea copper unit, cutting 150,000 tonnes in annual output, while a power blackout caused by an intense snowstorm in Chile halted copper production at the Los Bronces mine, owned by a unit of Exxon Mobil Corp. (NYSE:XOM - News).
Demand has held up relatively well, meanwhile, as molybdenum is used in aircraft, missile, and automobile parts, and in electrodes and heating elements. There are few acceptable substitutes.
The powerful price rally has led to stockbrokers reconsidering their ratings for Phelps Dodge (NYSE:PD - News), which is the world's largest producer of molybdenum.
J.P. Morgan trimmed its loss per share estimate to $1.40 per share from $1.65, leaving its "buy" rating unchanged.
Meanwhile, Merrill Lynch analyst Daniel Roling raised his mid-term rating from "reduce/sell" to "neutral".
"As a result of a significant increase to our molybdenum price expectations, we are raising our estimates for 2002 from a loss of $2.75 per share to a loss of $2.20 per share. We are also raising our 2003 earnings estimate from $1.40 per share to $1.80 per share," he wrote.
(Additional reporting by New York Newsdesk and New York Raw Materials Desk)
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/020605/markets_metals_molybdenum_1.html
Mountain Lake V.MOA will be drilling at Valentine lake in Newfoundland in the next week or two. They presently have 50% with a chance to earn 100%. They also have an alluvial diamond mine in South Africa 25% going into full production on Sept 1/02. These are top quality diamonds. They are presently grading at 1.6 carots per ton. They have already got 300 thousand ton signed up and are looking to get 1 billion tons by the time they're finished. The owners are Government 24%, t.EET 51%, V. MOA 25%. It's still cheap to get into.
KC
** The Smartest Money
David Morgan -- Precious Metals Analyst
www.silver-investor.com
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/morgan052902.htm
** The Next Big Mining Play
Interview by Robert Graham
The Botwood Basin in Newfoundland will be the next big exploration site because of its grab bag of resources and its mining friendly environment says Canaccord Capital Senior Vice President Peter Chandler
ALTIUS MINERALS CP (V.ALS)
MOYDOW MINES INTL INC (T.MOY)
RUBICON MINERALS CP (V.RMX)
SUDBURY CONTACT MINES LTD (T.SUD)
* The Botwood Basin, in Newfoundland, is considered an Offlite Complex; which means that due to significant swings in temperatures, it is geologically speaking, a mixed bag ready to explore.
* It is also a good place to explore, because Newfoundland is generally considered a mining friendly environment, they have a particular easy way of staking mining claims.
* It's called map staking, you pay your money and you stake your claim.
* Companies like Altius minerals, receive validation by acting as a junior for Barrick Gold.
* Barrick has a right to earn a 75% interest in their Botwood Basin project.
* This is a good partnership because it opens the flood gates; you've got a smart junior backed by a big playing senior.
* Other places staking claims in the Botwood Basin are Sudbury Contact Mines, Moydow Mines and Consolidated Abaddon.
* Chandler would not be surprised to see a lot these companies creating joint operations in this region.
* The Botwood basin will become the next prolific gold rush play in Canada.
* The environment has improved and there are a lot of good solid fundamentals, there's going to be a lot of activity in this area of the country.
http://www.investorcanada.com/interview.php?contentID=944
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