Plandai Biotechnology Inc (PLPL)

[snoof77]

Zombywolf, enacting an RS now would screw existing shareholders as there would be no assets supporting the higher post RS stock price. The stock would then drop 70-90% as existing shareholders throw in the towel.

There needs to be an RM in place to justify future value of the ticker in order for the stock to maintain its post RS price.

In conclusion, those pounding the RS drum don't care about existing shareholders. They want to buy in after an RS, and post RS 70%> drop in the stock price. I have no problem with someone using such a strategy, but don't try to tell existing shareholders that an RS without an RM in place is a good thing for them.

Snoof77

[zombywolf]

I dont think the SS is that important to a company merging in. They will own the control shares and can fix it to what they want. But since it will have to be done, might as well do it now while we are deep in trips. Will save the new company the negatives of doing it themselves.

[price_and_volume]

Create confidence in whom for the long-term?

The OP even directly states that Tad should "let the stock CRATER on HIS WATCH over the ensuing months." So over several months, just let it drop what, like 80%? How does that create confidence for the long-term, even if you've cleaned up the shell?

Neither Tad nor an incoming RM partner give a shit about current shareholders.

The idea is to CLEAN UP THE SHELL so it's an easy sale to a legit RM partner who can then take it and run w/ it.

This shouldn't be that difficult to understand, but I'm happy to agree to disagree cuz it doesn't matter what anybody wants, it appears Tad has no plan to clean it up as I suggest, so the incoming RM partner will be forced to screw-over everyone instead.

Just keep your finger near the sell-button on incoming hype and you'll be fine as long as you click the mouse before the dump.

GLTA

[marylandstockguy]

It happens on the big boards of course, but after doing forward splits. Sirius/XM radio has a big OS but I don't think they've done any splits...

OTC? Agree it's rare. Trans Global Group was doing well, but it's back at .0012 and expert market. Dark Pulse? Now at .0019 but had been much higher (I think around 20 cents). Green Globe International - now at .0008 but was at 3 cents. I'm sure there are other examples out there, and I know a lot of those runs were 2020/2021, but I guess my point being it could run a little bit from .0002. Obviously TS*NP. Genesis Electronics Group is another. These aren't explosions per se, but decent runs.

It's only 2 billion AS, but Blackstar Enterprise Group just recently went from .0001 to over 1 cent in 3 months.

I don't think the RS would have to be right here. If you do it at the bottom, it's likely big trouble. Rennova Health may be another example of the problem of RS'ing at .0001/2. If you can get a decent run and then do it, that would be preferable (of course I'm speaking for us current shareholders).

[zombywolf]

OTOH, what tickers with a 8B or higher SS have gone anywhere?

[marylandstockguy]

To your point, just recently Propanc Biopharma did a 1:1000 reverse split to go from .0001 to 10 cents. It's now back at .008.

I think Mullen Automotive is another example of how deadly reverse splits can be. They've done a couple lately and it just keeps tanking. ESports Technologies as well - I think they did a 1:7 and it's well below where it was pre-split now at 6 cents. As you point out, they're usually very bad.

The OP even directly states that Tad should "let the stock CRATER on HIS WATCH over the ensuing months." So over several months, just let it drop what, like 80%? How does that create confidence for the long-term, even if you've cleaned up the shell?

[Epoxy7]

It’s exceptionally rare for a Revers split not to end up being bad for investors. Everytime you get people claiming it won’t be this time and they go on about how it’s the same value etc, it’s good for the stock/company etc. Yet the end result 99% of the time is a huge price reduction.

The only time I had one work out ok was after a big run a year later which I used to get out at my SP. good thing too, because it dropped like a rock after. That’s the rare case of recovering. Temporarily.

As for the bottom price argument. No. Koolaide wasn’t wrong with the math. It can go down below the current price after a Reverse split. Just like the share value is the same argument, it doesn’t hold true in real life.

[zombywolf]

That is why companies list here in the first place.

[Aquahoya]

Or another crappy company that just wants to dilute.

[zombywolf]

You and others seem to be wed to the idea that ANY R/S is bad. This stock will have a R/S. The unknown is when. The SS will be what a new company wants it to be, as they will have the control shares. The best time to do it is now, while we are deep in trips, as it can't tank the price any more. Done later, it could tank the price in half or more at a much higher SP. The proper R/S is 1:100, bringing the SS down to the 80 million range. With that, and a decent $80+ million MC company merging in, we make more $ than staying pat at 8B shares going nowhere.

[Aquahoya]

That is what I was pointing out but never was acknowledged

[Epoxy7]

A RS right off no doubt benefits you. I’m not so sure it would benefit the stock at this point. The current market in the OTC isn’t good and this isn’t a well known or particularly popular OTC stock. The amount of people that even know about this is pretty small.

So you say new money will be wary until a RS. First, what new money if no one knows about it? If Those that do get discarded, then there goes the core investors. Plus you don’t think new investors are going to be wary after a RS? They would know the previous ones got wrecked , those that were willing to hold and not just flip.. More importantly they would be wary of walking into a dilution stock.

The scenery you want could destroy it. Nothing but flippers and no real investors. Plus the real fear of buying into a dilution stock looking to use it as an ATM.

[price_and_volume]

My trading strategy SHOULD be obvious. I've posted it.

P&V, it's obvious that your trading strategy is to target investments after a 70% drop, following an RS. That is why you promote an RS to the point of nauseum. God help us!

Actually you're completely wrong, but I take no offense - how would you know? Its not like you ever asked, you just assumed, like others assume bashers are evil manipulators with an agenda while pumpers are honest-to-goodness investors - both naive silly assumptions.

In futures I buy perceived value relative to production costs. I also buy breakouts. OTCs are similar. Meanwhile options are based on technicals. Those are proven money-making strats that don't depend on stories or lies. I don't tell or believe stories. I have no reason to lie.

Imo the ONLY reason to buy NOW is to gamble that this essentially worthless bloated 8+billion O/S is gonna pump on a future announced RM, and you'll be clever enough to sell into that pump rather than wait around for the subsequent dump.

Maybe it will, I hope it does, and if so maybe I'll get a piece of it, but I have no problem waiting on odds to improve - that's how I make money, not parking funds & passing around the hopium pipe.

Regardless, its not your worry really.

GLTA!

[bri123]

The huge increase in restricted shares (690M) could mean Tad has a new debt (like for a merger / acquisition), or maybe Tad himself has taken those shares so he has more leverage for a merger? I guess we will find out in the next filing, but hopefully sooner with a merger announcement.

[marylandstockguy]

Yup nailed it.

[bri123]

OS INCREASED TO 8,889,034,371 on 12/1/2023
Was 8,199,034,371 on 11/30/2023
RESTRICTED SHARES INCREASED to 761,994,904 12/1/2023
Was 71,994,904 11/30/2023

690,000,000 shares became restricted.

[snoof77]

P&V, it's obvious that your trading strategy is to target investments after a 70% drop, following an RS. That is why you promote an RS to the point of nauseum.

God help us!

[Aquahoya]

Not sure how helpful that would be. That would require enough buyers to touch this stock to allow the cleaning of the remaining obligations. Good luck getting that. This will probably drop immediately and would have to do another RS. He would have to put on some campaign or newsworthy information to get people to take it. So, at the end of the day, some sort of merger would have to occur to absolve the remaining obligations or debt. Better to do that down here than have a RS, then it gets crushed again. Easy way to kill any long-term shareholder to touch it.

[price_and_volume]

That's exactly why Tad should do it first.

There was that announcement of the 1:100 RS in the PR, and the stock absolutely collapsed from .0017 back to .0003, leading to termination.

The LAST THING an incoming RM needs is to announce a RS when taking over and crater the stock.

Tad should clearly do the R/S, clean up any remaining/outstanding obligations, let the stock CRATER on HIS WATCH over the ensuing months, THEN market & sell a CLEAN SHELL that has stablized & would actually be worth something.

Last people Tad should give a shit about are current shareholders and/or PPS.

It's an empty shell that as-is would almost FORCE an incoming RM to fuck everyone when they do the clearly-required R/S.

Again, nobody wants to bid up shares when its so obvious what's coming.

C'mon Tad, just do it. FIX THE SS.

[Aquahoya]

Agreed. Obviously, there is no way to know. We will just have to see what happens.

[marylandstockguy]

It's interesting how billions of shares is a big deal in OTC world isn't it? Apple has 15.5 billion OS but they've done a lot of splits to get to a price of $190. Siri has 3.8 billion shares - they are $4.68. That might be a better example - they aren't doing an RS for now. Both of these companies' AS counts are unavailable. Tesla has 3.2 billion shares. Amazon has 10.3 billion shares. Pretty wild stuff.

If you're going to do an RS, you probably need a good reason to do so. You may not want to do it immediately - but instead look to get to OTCQB and THEN do it.

The future incoming company (let's hope there is one) might have seen what happened with EV Hotel. There was that announcement of the 1:100 RS in the PR, and the stock absolutely collapsed from .0017 back to .0003, leading to termination.

So, do we really think the new company will want an immediate RS based on that past situation? I think that's up for debate.

[Aquahoya]

I do not disagree. Rick wanted that done. But I don't think Tad will do it. That is my point. And it will take a little time to get that all approved. It'd obvious this thing will need a little hedging

[price_and_volume]

Well I'm sane. NOBODY wants 8 billion O/S.

You do not know what the merging company will want to do.

ANY merging company will absolutely 100% do a R/S as soon as feasible.

I also doubt Tad will do anything, which is why new money is so reluctant to get onboard here.

Everybody who's been around also knows a R/S is coming, because the purpose of any RM is for the incoming company to RAISE CAPITAL, specifically by ISSUING SHARES, so the massively bloated SS is an obvious problem.

Whatever, GLTA

[Aquahoya]

You do not know what the merging company will want to do. They very well could, but we just don't know. And you don't know what the merging company SS will be or want, so I doubt Tad will enact anything without them.

[price_and_volume]

Right, so Tad may as well do it now.

He wanted to enact a RS down the line

Anyone who comes into this will absolutely do a RS as soon as feasible.

The share-structure sucks as-is, and everyone can see that and know what's coming.

Tad should rip the band-aid off & take care of business, offering an incoming RM partner a cleaner shell.

Until then, new money will be wary.

GLTA

[Aquahoya]

He wasnt saying anything about time. All he knew is that he had been waiting on FINRA to respond to them and was getting no correspondence. He wanted to enact a RS down the line and not being able to communicate was a major issue with him.

RGLG and Entrex has had similar issues with delays of 12-18 months from FINRA. Maybe the CEO is just full of crap. Remove time, FINRA seems to have had issues communicating with companies is what I am consistently seeing. ByoPlanet isn't some joke company either.

[price_and_volume]

Not true, and not sure why you'd believe that?

FINRA has been making companies wait 12-18 months to get stuff done.

If Rick told you that, he either is misled himself, or intentionally misled you.

I wouldn't know which, or why. Regardless, Rick didn't stick around too long did he...

Do you have examples of FINRA "holding up" legit OTC RMs for longer than a few months?

[marylandstockguy]

That's a scary proposition for potential RM plays moving forward

[Aquahoya]

I think Rick owed moneys to Tad but wouldnt hand it over because he was uncertain about FINRA and thus why the merger didnt go through.

Again, Rick just told me that FINRA was just not budging, they werent communicating.

[marylandstockguy]

Wow - now that is very interesting.

[Aquahoya]

Well, I was told the only reason for Rick pulling out was the fear of FINRA not allowing him to RS when he needed to. And what I have gathered from other companies and CEO's is that private entity FINRA has been making companies wait 12-18 months to get stuff done. Not entirely sure why. Not sure if others have heard the same thing. But that is some crazy wait time to get past FINRA. I think Rick saw that FINRA wasn't communicating at all and realized that he may never get to do what he wants because of the lack of communication.

That is what Rick told me. He also stated Tad supposedly had another company, which I found odd. I wonder if that panned out or not, idk. Just going to patiently wait. But I am hearing all roads seem to lead to FINRA holding stuff up for one thing. No reason, if Rick was being honest, that ByoPlanet shouldnt have been the company.

[marylandstockguy]

Probably a solid assessment. To your point, the ByoPlanet cancellation occurred on August 1. We have to hope that they started looking right away - because if there's going to be a 100% commitment, it will have to be on both sides. Plandai is going to have to ensure that the new company's books are solid - that could take awhile. You have to wonder if we have a wait extending into August/September of 2024 for substantial news. Do they really want to spring a binding or non-bidnding LOI on us now? Who would take that seriously?

[zombywolf]

Can't really say what to do until we see who comes in. I am betting on the fact that Tad is not going to merge someone in here that isn't 100% committed. He did progress from that bad situation with PuriBlood to Hotel Ken, then a real one with ByoPlanet. I'm thinking he was as surprised as us about Byo backing out, and won't let that happen next time. Whether it is a good company will tell how long we should stay. Just keep adding to the pile now at this ridiculous price, and something will come along.

[marylandstockguy]

I hope so. If there is, I still expect a very rocky road. I'll admit I'll sell half on a nice run (what that run is, I don't know). After 3 failed RMs, I don't know another approach to take. Don't you think a lot of people would be thinking similarly? Buy down here, wait for news, sell half and ride free shares? It doesn't mean this can't go absolutely ballistic but there has to be some caution here you'd think.

[Aquahoya]

Looks like one of the admins inadvertently closed posts for a little. It's remedied now.
Honestly, just MMs moving their shares around. Hoping there was a reason for that.

[marylandstockguy]

Yeah exactly - I get that it was Thanksgiving break but it would have occurred Monday and not Wednesday.

I'm in FONU, and I got some 1s there after a 1 billion plus share day, and it barely trades now. One of these will hit when I'm 80 probably.

[zombywolf]

If so, a pretty delayed reaction, lol.

[marylandstockguy]

Very strange. I thought it might be related to the latest quarterly and addressing some of the debt but that doesn't appear to be the case.

[zombywolf]

This happened a little while back too. One day out of the blue, a ton of shares transacted, then nothing. And reading the Trades report from yesterday was crazy. Hundreds of millions of shares traded going nowhere, but it took a $15 order at the end of the day to move us up a tic.

[AKATITUS]

Think it happened here befor once that I can remember

[marylandstockguy]

So far we're not seeing any follow through. I'm not sure when the buying happened yesterday. I've seen this with a few stocks - crazy buying then nothing.

[snoof77]

Tomorrow will be very interesting here. They say smoke before fire. Todays volume was the smoke. Now thats see if the stock price catches fire... I have a feeling it will.
$PLPL

[Warrens]

Very nice

[Chartmaster]

386mill volume on no news, it's OTC melt up time again like 2021, this is how late 2020 started, and it started on Nov 30th, 2020, 3 year anniversary cycle right on time!
Now after seeing all the OTC volume all the CEO's will produce their BS PR's to help fuel the rallies again!

[price_and_volume]

What does today's tape suggest?

https://ih.advfn.com/stock-market/USOTC/plandai-biotechnology-pk-PLPL/trades

Any interesting opinions?

[marylandstockguy]

Is it too much of a Captain Obvious statement to say they might pursue someone in the AI sector? That seems like the newest, hottest sector now.

If there is opportunity for a lot of companies to succeed in that sector, and many of them are looking to go public, maybe that provides an opportunity for Plandai.

[marylandstockguy]

Yeah could well be. I'll hold like the rest of you and see if they do in fact draw in a new company. I'm hoping they get someone like ByoPlanet, and do a 1:100 RS after a nice run - the original hope we all had.

[Aquahoya]

MMs could just be swapping. Who knows.

[marylandstockguy]

I filled 2 million 2s...and now it's at 1 on higher volume lol....geez ya just never really know.

[zombywolf]

That was in the tech that was sold to TXTM.