Lucid Group Inc (LCID)

[BearRickPunch]

Sideways trading until more catalysts come seems to be the theme here.

[KMC-1]

lotta volatility.

[BearRickPunch]

Nice recovery today and yesterday. Let's hope more good news means more movement in the right direction.

[Zilidium]

No pain no gain.

[BearRickPunch]

LOL. That's always a possibility. Maybe get solar power to be safe.

[staynafloat]

They will actually be working together.

Ever heard of a Fuel Cell ?

A fuel cell uses the chemical energy of hydrogen or other fuels to cleanly and efficiently produce electricity. If hydrogen is the fuel, the only products are electricity, water, and heat. Fuel cells are unique in terms of the variety of their potential applications; they can use a wide range of fuels and feedstocks and can provide power for systems as large as a utility power station and as small as a laptop computer.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/fuel-cells

[uksausage]

LCID won't be left behind - why?...

it was the winner at FOS (festival of speed) Goodwood in the UK at the weekend - Fastest production. EV. (LUCID AIt Grand Touring).

[BJ_Cooper]

It’s all good until the power grid goes down. Hydrogen is the answer. LCID better get on board or get left behind.

STRONG SELL!!!

[BearRickPunch]

BOOM. Here we go!

[BearRickPunch]

But that isn't true by any means and the link you posted isn't from a viable source of information. I never acknowledged that he was paid over $500M, but you keep telling me that I did, so please stop. I told you to go look at what he was actually paid. That's it. The amount is still obscene, but it's the agreement they made when he got hired. I don't understand why you need to keep debating this.

[Propain]

https://twitter.com/LucidMotors/status/1540008527111983105/photo/1

[KMC-1]

That isn’t the point you were arguing though, you presented the situation as having not been over $500MILLION.
It is over $500MILLION, as you’ve now acknowledged, along with acknowledging the amount is obscene, especially considering how far the company is from having revenue to support such an amount, which is the main point(s) I was originally making.

[BearRickPunch]

Maybe, but both CEOs weren't rookies. They both came from distinguished areas of expertise in the sector. Both are heads of EV companies that can become the next Tesla. Who knows, maybe even Tesla buys one of them out eventually. Like what if Musk decides to buy Lucid to make Lucid it's luxury sector of Tesla? We don't know and yes, I'm in firm agreement that the pay is ludicris. However, those hedge funds behind both companies made an agreement.

[Windbag1014]

Do you believe the compensation is commensurate with the company's performance? Was there a timing issue associated with the compensation? Who controlled the narrative coming from the company? Who was favorably positioned most by delaying the shortfall of cars produced? The pay was obscene compared to what was delivered. There should have been a claw-back.

[BearRickPunch]

as stated from before, all part of their contract packaged deal with making the company go public.

"Equity packages for electric-vehicle chiefs Peter Rawlinson and RJ Scaringe were tied in part to future share-price gains"

[pcjockey]

Lucid, Rivian Each Awarded CEOs More Than $400 Million in Pay Last Year

Article from June 8, 2022

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lucid-rivian-each-awarded-ceos-more-than-400-million-in-pay-last-year-11654680602

[BearRickPunch]

Don't trust information from this blog. It's not accurate and it's just a site that some fan created.

https://www.lucidinsider.com/

[BearRickPunch]

So you posted up a misinformation link? Why would you say that it's from the Lucid site when it's not? Gotta make sure that shit is legit.

[SmokeSignals]

time to get in

[KMC-1]

You'll need to take it up with management.

[staynafloat]

Lucidinsider is a blog and is not back by the company in any way.

[KMC-1]

The link I posted is directly off the Lucid website.

[BearRickPunch]

Like I stated before, you need to actually go and read what he actually got.

https://insideevs.com/news/583003/lucid-ceo-made-over-260-million-usd-performance-based-awards-2021/

[KMC-1]

It’s $565 million.
From Lucid themselves:

https://www.lucidinsider.com/web-stories/lucid-motors-executive-compensation/

[BearRickPunch]

No you didn't quote me. I never stated that Rawlston got paid $500M. I told you to go look up the actual facts and what he got paid. It's $263M. Yes, it's a lot of money, but it's in the contract that he signed when they hired him. Share profits reach a certain point and he gets paid. It's a shit ton of money, but how do you know that he isn't going to reinvest that money back into Lucid? We don't. We don't know his plans atm.

[pcjockey]

I get it. And I didn't say the poster was an idiot. Just that autocorrect creates strange communication moments. I see it all over the web where people post.

[Windbag1014]

Probably, it was just what it chose that made me laugh. I don't think they are an idiot. It was just ironic that it used that word.

[ortco1]

It is a buy price at the moment. Buy and hold .

[buk199]

OMG LOL....... ITS A F UP PHONE DO IT OWN SPELLING AGAIN

[pcjockey]

lol

[pcjockey]

Autocorrect makes everyone look like idiots these days.

I assume it was autocorrect.....

[Windbag1014]

Now that was funny. You have a great knight.

[KMC-1]

That was very incentive of you to point that out....

[Windbag1014]

Insensitive. Nailed it.

in·sen·si·tive
[in'sens?div]
ADJECTIVE
showing or feeling no concern for others' feelings:
"an insensitive remark"
synonyms:
heartless · unfeeling · inconsiderate · thoughtless · thick-skinned · hard-hearted · stony-hearted · cold-hearted · cold-blooded · with a heart of stone · [more]
not sensitive to a physical sensation:
"she was remarkably insensitive to pain"
not aware of or able to respond to something:
"both were in many ways insensitive to painting"

Incentive
in·cen·tive
[in'sen(t)iv]
NOUN
a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something:
"there is no incentive for customers to conserve water"
synonyms:
inducement · motivation · motive · reason · stimulus · stimulant · spur · impetus · encouragement · impulse · incitement · goad · provocation · attraction · lure · bait · premium · douceur
a payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment:
"tax incentives for investing in depressed areas" · [more]

[buk199]

We'll I guess you'd Bitch at a dollar insensitive. Don't invest ifyou think no one should get insensitive pay.....

[buk199]

We'll I guess you'd Bitch at a dollar insensitive. Don't invest ifyou think no one should get insensitive pay.....

[KMC-1]

I didn't put words in your mouth, I quoted you.
The fact is, $500+ MILLION in compensation for a year's work is ludicrous, especially given the fact this company is barely generating revenue at this point. It's a massive waste of resources, at a time when the company is resource-intensive. It's an amount of money that doesn't make sense, and is only possible because so many Investors have gifted the company cash through the SPAC offering - and those Investors didn't put their hard-earned money in for one man to swoop in and absorb it.

[Windbag1014]

Totally agree that there is no wiggle room in the compensation contract. The gripe I have is the share price can be manipulated based on the CEO passing gas. Why not base it on actual production instead of the numbers the compensatee comes up with? With that kind of money on the line, what incentive does he have to throw the towel in weeks before his bonus? What did he know and when did he know it? Greed would incentivize the CEO to wait until after the bonus was paid to make the announcement that you weren't going to hit your numbers.

[BearRickPunch]

No. Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. Just stop. Read the post and article on how or why he was compensated. Do your DD instead of just jumping to a conclusion based on speculation.

All ev startups are fledgling right now. Rivian, Nio, Lucid and even Tesla is down 50% from it's high this year. The section isn't in a good place atm.

[BearRickPunch]

It depends on the contract or compensation structure that Rawlston had with the funding company from Saudi Arabia. It was probably a part of the deal they struck when he signed the dotted line. Get the share price to a certain price point and get so much in bonus incentives. That's a normal structure when you have a CEO company relationship. Rawlston was coming over directly from Tesla as a successful designer, engineer and marketer of the Model S.

I'm not a fan of SPACs because you don't even know what to expect when a confirmation is announced. Evidence in the CCIV bullshit, but Lucid however seems to be a legitimate contender in the EV section and I think that the share price will eventually reflect that.

[Windbag1014]

What is your opinion of the compensation being awarded as a result of milestones being met based on stock price moves that were based on information communicated by the receiver of the compensation that turned out to be far from achievable?

What was the projection for sales in dollars and numbers and what was the actual result? Who put out those projections? When it is the same person that benefits most from those projections, isn't there a conflict of interest?

Are you a fan of the SPAC structure? How are SPACs performing in general? Would you consider SPACs to be fairly valued at IPO?

Just some shady shit going on at LUCID and in the SPAC kingdom so far. Just my opinion. Would love to hear otherwise.

[KMC-1]

So when you actually stated that he was compensated $566 MILLION, you actually meant he wasn't? I don't think that's how it works.

The fact the value fell afterwards, doesn't change what they were worth when they were given.

Nor does it change what they could be worth in 5 years, assuming he lives that long given his age.

It's obscene given the company is fledgling is has such little revenue.

[BearRickPunch]

No, I'm trying to point the facts to you about what his compensation was and why he was compensated. You're drawing false conclusions to support your own narrative of what is going on. Even in this statement, you still are incorrect in your assessment that he was compensated $566M.

[Windbag1014]

And people wonder why there is a social movement away from Capitalism in this country.

This isn't capitalism. This is greed. Shady crap like we see here is sad and takes full advantage of our economic system but is not the spirit of capitalism or the public equity market. The other sad part is Charlie Brown (Investor with stars in their eyes) will continue to take swipes at the ball no matter how many times Lucy pulls it. The key in my mind is to focus on what they do, not what they say.

This is the definition of a startup. There will be bumps. I will take the historical statements along with their seemingly fortuitous timing and use that in considering any future investments in this company. I would suggest you do the same.

[KMC-1]

So what you're saying is that he did, in fact, receive $566 MILLION in compensation - prior to his failure in leadership causing that value to drop.

So don't tell me "to get my facts straight", when my facts are straight, and you're just trying to play semantics on why his compensation fell to "only" $263 MILLION.

And people wonder why there is a social movement away from Capitalism in this country.

[BearRickPunch]

Lucid partners with Bank of America for leasing and financing.

https://electrek.co/2022/06/07/lucid-motors-launches-lucid-financial-services-with-bank-of-america-for-lease-and-loan-financing/

[BearRickPunch]

This is just not true at all. Please get your facts straight. Rawlston got 263 million due to the share price profit incentives.

Peter Rawlinson gets $263 million in performance-based stock.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-28/lucid-ceo-got-half-of-566-million-award-before-shares-fell-67

[KMC-1]

Peter Rawlston was paid $566 MILLION as CEO???

This is what happens when the company isn't earning the money and is living off the Investors. Wow. Just wow.

[KMC-1]

I've noticed that too - and then ironically when a company really does act unethically, the CEOs "resign" and walk away free and clear and the investors get their money stolen. Lawyers really are a cancer.

[GolfFishSurf]

I don't even know if they got enough participants to go forward with it. Seems like all the startups for the last couple years all end up having these class action suits being thrown around..........