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and i got 1000 <g> eom
Nobody knows, but he's not saying... so much for the clue.
imho, Jerome
Haven't stopped by in a long time. I haven't had a position for a long time. Just wanted to see who was still here.
I see SRRA and TRAV are on the bid side accumulating, so it's likely they are doing it for a reason, sooner of later. I just look at it as buying next to them, and seeing what they do with it later on down the road, so yea, I'm accumulating... I expect that if it doesn't fill before the end of the year, I might get some at .05 or so.
imho, Jerome
I guess you ask if I have a position in ATEL - The answer is yes, I have a position that are more than 90% down.
Anticipating your next question - No I'm not going to average down while other odd people are still selling, in spite of the rosy outlook for a clean shell.
What "elsewhere" ones are of your concern?
Kr
Jens
No, I didn't even bother looking into the links, I don't have a big enough position to bother. And being in trading for a while, I know no one is interested in anything that they don't have a good sized position in. Now, you and your cooperative might be the rare bird, but... what kind of position do you have that perks you so here, and elsewhere as I've noticed?
imho, Jerome
No Jerome, there's nothing questionable in our cooperation at all - Is your message in any way related to the message you responded to?
Kr
Jens
Jens, what drives you here, to be researching and researching after Markow and stuff, are you and your fellow researchers in cahoots here?
imho, Jerome
Hmm... xinyin building see picture in below link - 20f = 20.floor???
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:xGQ89MmZRmE:www.tourinfo.com.cn/all_units/H0000128/main.htm+%22...
Other addresses there 1905 1605:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22888+yishan%22&btnG=Google-s%F8gning&hl=us&lr=
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Reply to Post #5744 on ATEL by dubber
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Be interesting to see how this plays out. I think some people might regret what they say about Conca and Markow in the end though. JMO
I hope he is correct in saying that, and those who stick with it, live to make back their money. I am long here, and not just my PP shares either, in fact, threw another 6k shares in the pot from a good trade elsewhere, just figure, what the hay.
If they get the recission, I don't think they'll get screwed with another shitty deal. Conca has nothing to do with ATEL, his name was just put in the PR's cause he was the former CEO, just a figurehead, same with recission, he has never had a free trading share of ACII/SHPS/ATEL, neither Miller. He got just as screwed from the Israeli/Arab scam venture here as the rest did, and Markow, contrary to what the bashers say, has in fact RM'ed a number of decent companies over the past year, BLPT and SCRO for example--and I'm not talking about the price decline, that is across the board and a cheap shot, XNET is a great company and is down from $20's to .50 as well, it's the mk't, but they are solid companies, so maybe he can do it again?
I don't know, I've been assured that they'll get the shell back, but I think it's probably 50-50, maybe, hope so... if not, this sure leaves a bad taste, and not a bunch of money in my pocket as some here tend to believe, but that's their problem, no one pushed their buy button.
In fact, before I left for India, I bought 20k more shares at $1, that I wound up selling for 1/10th that, and that's just an example, I'm sure others here have been likewise screwed.
There is not a conspiracy here, just lame luck at attracting a bad apple that makes the bag rotten when near them all. Let's just hope we get some good luck coming our way soon, and that they file. I don't know who profited from this and who didn't, but I also don't know of anyone who pumped lies intentionally on these threads, in fact I know that no one I know did... in ATEL, most probably so, but not from the original shareholders.
If you want to fault the messenger for posting Stuarts lies and believeing them in passing them on, I think that's a little like saying I or any other long here in the beginning pumped this by posting the PR's that were put out.
Did Liang get a call from Lee or what? Seemed a bit of a retraction there in that PR. Lee get served with some bit of heat?
Anyway, just my opinion and ramblings, won't post here to often, doing other more constructive things than trying to make the wrong right, best of luck.
imo
Another ATEL PR butchered by Liang, starts out sounding enticing in the header, but bury's the lead, get the 10k done first Liang, or somebody, or this is going to the pinks!!
Dr. William C.Y. Lee Remains as Chief Technology Advisor to AccessTel Inc.
Board.
Business Editors
LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 27, 2001--AccessTel Inc.
(OTCBB:ATELE - news), stated today that Dr. William C.Y. Lee will
remain as Chief Technology Advisor to AccessTel Inc. Board.
Dr. William C.Y. Lee had agreed to join AccessTel Inc. Board of
Directors after the name change and when Board of Director Liability
Insurance had been secured. The Company has not as yet secured a final
commitment for Board of Director Liability Insurance by the insurance
carriers and Dr. William C.Y. Lee has never officially become a
director of AccessTel Inc. Dr. William C.Y. Lee has and continues to
advise on technical issues only, of Wireless Local Loop development.
imo
Why should Conca do that ? - And what is his power to do so ?
Mighty strange IMO!!!
Kr
Jens
I hope they at least file here this week, I think the deadline is the 15th before they get an E, seems likely at this point, but I heard that they would get Conca to sign off on a 10k if Liang didn't, so we'll at least stay off of the pinks.
imo
I'll start with TotemPole this weekend in Victoria.
Van, we are going to be owing a lot of drinks with this mess on our hands.
imo
Some might ask why we should sue both parties - Here's why:
Both Markow and Bockler are responsible for the inside war ruining the company.
Further grounds for suing may be added by the ones, who previously stood by either side and who will now take part against the parties.
Both must be placed in a position where they are not able to further harm the company. - Distance must be made between the company and their (SB & MM) internal war.
Many things in the OTCBB world are changing - Yesterdays unregulated playground is now being significant better regulated and under much better surveilance - Thus Markow's peasants and runners might reconsider shifting to white, while it is time, and the Markow playground and towers only tremble.
Thoughts ?
Kr
Jens
Perhaps it is time for the individual investors here to consider legal action against both the kindergarten parties.
We might even be able to fund ATEL with the outcome from such action.
Some old connections from the bottom of the kindergartenparties food chain, might reconsider their loyalty too - and join us. -
I even got a feeling that there is another party used to help out in distressed securities that may want to participate too.
Thoughts from the individual investors are welcome.
Kr
Jens
Voluntary disclosure: Individual Long
Kr
Jens
OT: Totem good to hear from you. Been kind of busy since returning from LA. Saving my money for Easter when I can buy you a drink at Swans.
See you on Friday.
So, with everyone jumping, Is this a good time to buy?
...The "Real" TotemPole!
So maybe a leap off the Golden Gate!!!!
So maybe Bockler is about to do something that is in the best interests of ATEL, I sure hope so.
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http://www.linkair.com/company/images/pic_wm_lee.jpg>
MGSC - one record in the public books:
******** REGULATORY ACTION (1 of 1) ********
Reporting Source: Regulator (Form U-6)
Date Reported: 09/12/2000
Initiated By: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SECURITIES DEALERS, INC.
Date initiated: 08/28/2000
Docket/Case Number: C06000016
Allegations: 09/12/00EC: NASD RULES 2110; 1031 AND 3010(B) -
RESPONDENT MEMBER, ACTING THROUGH ITS PRESIDENT, PERMITTED AN INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE AS A GENERAL SECURITIES REPRESENTATIVE AND THEREBY ENGAGE IN THE INVESTMENT BANKING OR SECURITIES BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH SUCH INDIVIDUAL HAD NOT BEEN REGISTERED WITH RESPONDENT IN ANY CAPACITY; FAILED TO ESTABLISH, MAINTAIN, AND ENFORCE WRITTEN PROCEDURES THAT WERE REASONABLY DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE SECURITIES LAWS AND REGULATIONS, AND WITH THE ASSOCIATION'S RULES, IN THAT THE FIRM'S PROCEDURES FAILED TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE ASSOCIATION'S RULES GOVERNING REGISTRATION OF PERSONNEL.
Current Status: Final
NASDR Public Disclosure Program March 23, 2001
Page <PAGE#>
This information is current as of: 03/23/2001
______________________________________________________________________________
__
NASD Member Firm: M G SECURITIES GROUP, INC.
CRD Number: 42991
REGULATORY ACTIONS(cont.)
Resolution: Acceptance, Waiver & Consent(AWC)
Resolution Date: 08/28/2000
Sanctions
Ordered: Monetary/Fine, Censure
Monetary Amount: $14,000.00
Resolution
Details: A CENSURE AND FINE OF $14,000, WHICH INCLUDES THE
DISGORGEMENT
OF COMMISSIONS EARNED OF $9,000. $13,000 OF THAT
$14,000 FINE
IS PAYABLE JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY.
Summary:
***********************************
Reporting Source: Regulator (Form BD)
Date Reported: 12/13/2000
Initiated By: NASD REGULATION, INC.
Date initiated: 07/28/2000
Docket/
Case Number: NASD ACTION C06000016
Allegations: MG SECURITIES GROUP, INC. PERMITTED AN INDIVIDUAL
TO SERVE AS A
GENERAL SECURITIES REPRESENTATIVE WITHOUT HAVING
BEEN
REGISTERED WITH THE FIRM. MG SECURITIES GROUP,
INC. DID NOT
ENFORCE WRITTEN PROCEDURES THAT WERE DESIGNED TO
ACHIEVE
COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE SECURITIES LAWS.
Current Status: Final
Resolution: Acceptance, Waiver & Consent(AWC)
Resolution Date: 08/28/2000
Sanctions
Ordered: Monetary/Fine, Disgorgement/Restitution, Censure
Monetary Amount: $13,000.00
Other Sanctions: NONE.
Resolution
Details: A CENSURE AND FINE OF $4,000.00 AND DISGORGEMENT
OF COMMISSIONS
OF $9,000.00 FOR A TOTAL FINE OF $13,000.00 THAT
MG SECURITIES
GROUP, INC. WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING. THE FIRM
ELECTED TO A
MONTHLY PAYOUT PLAN.
Summary:
************ END OF REPORT
************
Kr
Jens
OT: Off to CEBIT exhibition - back wednesday.
Meantime - raise the flag for the good side.
Kr
Jens
Someone may have seen that The link to Texas State directory gave the name MG Securities corp - here is the better one:
http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=M+G+Securities&am...
Though there are the same people in it. Just another taxpayer number.
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
I don't know whether there's something to dig here, but IVG changed from MG to first colonial:
Cashed info from google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html+MG+Securities+Group&hl=en
current:
http://www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Here's more info:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22M+G+SECURITIES+GROUP%22&btnG=Google+Search
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
MG Securities Group,Inc., and here below are the stocks they trade.
You will see several shares from so called "chinagate" in the rather few stocks they are trading.
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=m&Issue=mgsg&SortBy=v&Month=2-1-2001&a...
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Would anyone know who is behind the MM - MGSG.
These people have been sitting on the ask for weeks now and it seems they have not finished unloading.
William C.Y. Lee Looks Ahead to 4G Wireless
By Bruce Christian
Posted: 03/2001
Intellectual Capital
Calling it a patched-up system that could be inefficient, William C.Y. Lee, one of the world's leading authorities on mobile communications, says it may be best if the industry were to leapfrog over third-generation wireless and prepare for the fourth-generation.
"I don't like 3G," says Lee, chairman and chairman of the board for LinkAir Communications Inc. (www.linkair.com). "It is not a very good system. I feel it is wasting our time, and the performance won't be as we expected."
On the other hand, "4G technology can evolve quickly, so we can skip 3G and go directly to 4G," Lee says.
For 35 years, Lee has worked on the technology side of wireless communications. But he also recognizes the business side and the need for resellers and agents to offer wireless communications. Vital Stats:
Name: William C. Y. Lee
Title: Chairman
Hobbies: Writing
Professional Philosophy: Use mathematics to solve problems. Use physics to interpret results. Use experiments and counterexamples to check outcomes. Use pictures to emphasize important points.
Memberships: IEEE Fellow, RCA (Radion Communications Association), ITU (International Telecommunicatiohnology, U.S. Council on Compitiveness, Chairman of Transnational Committee of the IEEE Vehicular Technology Society, FCC Technical Advisory Council.
Honors: IEEE VTn Union , International Electrotechnical Commission, California Council on Science and TecS Avant Garde Award, CTIA Award, CDMA Industry Achievement Award, SATEC Award, Bell Lab Service Award, IEEE Third Millennium Medal Award.
Company Snapshot:
Name: LinkAir Communications, Inc.
Headquarters: Santa Clara, Calif.
Founded: 1999 by Ting Zheng, Daoben Li and Zuye Zou.
Mission: To develop and deliver leading edge 3G and 4G wireless telecommunications technologies that will enable wireless networks to deliver high-capacity and high-speed voice and data services.
Employees:150 people in the United States and China.
"They have to get into wireless to survive," Lee says. "In the future, portability and mobility will be vital to business and to personal communications. If the distribution channels don't get into wireless, I think they are missing the boat."
Lee began exploring wireless communications after receiving his doctorate at Ohio State University--writing his dissertation on satellite communications. He was hired in 1964 at Bell Labs to further his satellite research with AT&T Corp. (www.att.com). But before he arrived, Congress cut funding to the AT&T project, because lawmakers feared the major telecommunications company only would enhance its then monopolistic position. If Lee wanted to work on satellite communications, he would have to go somewhere else.
"I chose not to go," he recalls. He was then told of Bell Labs' new research department called AMPS, which would develop mobile communications. He accepted the challenge, because he had never heard of mobile communications.
"Sometimes you don't choose your future," Lee says. "But this turned out to be a very rich field for me."
Indeed it has. Lee has written three books on wireless and more than 200 papers. He has taught at the university level and lectured throughout the world. Lee's latest book, Lee's Essentials of Wireless Communications, was released in mid-January. It is part of the McGraw-Hill (www.mcgraw-hill.com) Telecommunications Series.
"Dr. Lee is among the elite telecom luminaries and has been a key player in the evolution of wireless technologies from its first generation through its current third generation," says Steve Chapman, executive editor at McGraw-Hill.
After 15 years at Bell Labs, Lee went to work for the ITT Defense Communications Division. Following his work there, Vodafone Airtouch plc (www.vodafone.com)--the world's largest mobile telecommunications company--hired him. His attention turned to personal communications network (PCN) technology and, in 1989, the United Kingdom granted Vodafone its PCN license.
Lee's 1990 work developing a new microcell system increased radio capacity by 2.5 times over the conventional microcell system.
In all, Lee's work has led to 25 U.S. patents, with 11 more pending. He also was instrumental in conducting key research for Pacific Telesis Group's (PacTel, now part of SBC Communications Inc., www.sbc.com) PCS experimental CDMA, which was perfected and launched in 1995 as a viable commercial mobile technology.
When Lee speaks of 4G, his emotions are betrayed. He becomes excited. He says the technology is a step beyond the immediate tomorrow.
He explains that the first three generations of wireless communications have required using a pair of frequencies. One frequency is used to send out a signal, a second one is used to receive.
"That is called the FDD [frequency division duplex]," Lee explains, as if he has returned to City University of New York, where he taught the first wireless classes offered there. "The first three generations use FDD because they have no way to isolate the interference in the sending out and receiving back in the cellular system.
"New scholars have come up with special smart codes that can isolate the interference in the host cellular system, so you don't need the FDD. Instead, we can use TDD (time division duplex)."
According to Lee, this innovation allows a signal to be sent on one time slot and return in another time slot on the same frequency.
"It's really about spectrum efficiency," he says. "With this system, you don't need complicated technology."
Lee says much of the research done to make wireless better has been focused on isolating interference.
"Interference is the killer. But now we have these special codes. We don't need any of the expensive technologies, like smart antennas," Lee says. "This is simple, high-tech efficiency in using the spectrum, which is very expensive."
Lee knows something about the cost of wireless. He remembers when the first mobile system was available commercially in the United States. It was rolled out just about the same time as the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. The cost per unit was $3,800.
"All the Wall Street analysts were saying it was too expensive. They didn't think there would be many people who would want it."
The Wall Street analysts were wrong.
"People like mobility," Lee said. "People like to travel. California [residents] came to mobile quickly, because California likes to try new stuff."
Of course, Lee agrees with the industry analysts who say that the future for mobile communications is in data. It is another reason he is such a big proponent of 4G.
"Since the Internet has come up and data transmission has started, we need more bandwidth, and more capacity and now more frequency," Lee explains.
That is why using the available frequency more efficiently makes more sense, he adds.
"Sometimes you may be downloading very heavy traffic, but you may only be sending back an acknowledgement or a request, so we don't need the FDD. You should be able to use the single frequency."
Bruce Christian is editor of PHONE+ magazine
http://www.phoneplusmag.com/articles/131feat3.html
imo
Thursday March 15, 2:01 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
AccessTel Inc. Has Selected an Institutional Financial
Funding Commitment
LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 15, 2001--AccessTel Inc. (OTCBB:ATEL - news), today announced that it has
signed a $10,000,000.00 financing from an Institutional Financial Group ready to fund its future expansion of Broadband Wireless
Infrastructure in China. Details will be announced upon clearance of legal counsel of both companies.
Testing has been successful in China and uninterrupted, with AccessTel Inc.'s and its strategic partner's customers. AccessTel
China Inc.'s marketing program is underway and further buildings are anticipated to be connection in the near future.
``We are extremely pleased by the offers of funding received from Major Institutional Financial Groups and have made our final
selection,'' stated Lawrence Liang, CEO and President of AccessTel Inc.
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant to the safe-harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation
Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including,
without limitation, continued acceptance of the company's products and technological changes, the company's dependence upon
third-party suppliers, intellectual property rights and other risks detailed from time to time in the company's periodic reports filed
with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Contact:
AccessTel Inc.
Lawrence Liang, 408/216-4754
Jerome:
You want to make a guess about the delay in annoncing the financing?
Bockler has to go, period, any word on that?
Thx,
rog
OT - Shpsup, Interesting option of use you found there. eom
Kr
Jens
Good line of guessing there -
Bottoline IMO: First anything but toxic funding - Second the other issues discussed.
I do like todays action - proves that a part of the market can find ATEL.
Kr - and a nice week-end to all
Jens
Kr
Jens
More comments:
...multiple offers, each over $10,000,000.00 from Institutional Financial Groups ready to fund its future expansion of Broadband Wireless Infrastructure in China. The Board of Directors of AccessTel Inc. will vote on the approved terms and conditions of each offer. The Board expects to announce their final decision early next week.
Here's my uninformed guesses. One of these is from Qualcomtel, and one is from some Chinese source, possibly related to LinkAir.
My guess is that they are now in a stronger negotiating position having two (or more) possible suitors of funding.
I would guess that Boeckler initially had the QCOM connection, and cultivated it via Lee's presence, into a possible credit line and equipment grant, for a large stake in ATEL-- this is what we see rumoured around anyway. Consider though that maybe ATEL began to reconsider whether they were giving up too much of the company (let's guess, 25% equity and 40% of the BOD) to QCOM for what they were getting.
Alongside this, Lee becomes the chairman of the BOD for LinkAir, who has multiple funding sources, and ATEL begins deciding that LinkAir, not Qcommtel, has the tech that they will possibly rollout once it is posible-- it's easy to think that Lee pushes for LinkAir more so than QCOM, given the current circumstances.
I know the arguements that QCOM adds immediate credibility to ATEL, and that might be so, but there's no reason for Liang/Lee to give up their +50% ownership of the company if they don't have too. The real credibility will come from installment of the services in China and having clients, anyway.
I look for them to get enough finding to get the MMDS up and running in Shanghai, make it a showcase, and gain more financing leverage.
The other scenario is for Boeckler to be satisfied with the shares he has in his family names (opps, he already dumped them!), and forgo his 20% equity stake toward Qualcommtel for their equipment/credit--which they still very much want--(everybody but he is happy:), and then he can stick to website developing (jk)... wanna put it to a vote?
imo
Good. Heard that this:
Testing is continuing in China with AccessTel Inc.'s customers.
is going extremely well, pleased clients, mkt will be quite profitable for ATEL.
imo
Boeckler and Liang go back a number of years, I'd guess ~7, as Liang would let Boeckler know what were the up and coming Silicon companies in the mid 80's... then Boeckler got free share fever in the OTC pigflyingfest of the previous 2 years. I think Liang and Lee wanted to start the company, and Boeckler had the means, alongside Markow. But you are right about Boeckler taking advantage of the situation, look at his relatives getting free shares in the filings. He needs to be dealt with, as does the Liang's position of leadership.
I too think they will work the positions out positively. I heard that the three had a meeting today and talked things out, looking for an agreed solution, which I hope emerges shortly. In the meantime, the business in Shanghai is progressing, and that is what really matters.
imo
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